Billboard Hot 100 : 9/8/18

[Harx]

Aug 28, 2018 7:07:45 GMT -5 nevillelongbottom said:

Aug 28, 2018 6:46:31 GMT -5 chartslovergermany said:

Data's speaks for themselves and even kworb says that Taylor still has the record #lwymmd

Except that the screenshot from kworb says "Counts views on one particular day, not the views in the first 24 hours."

And BTS beat Taylor's record for the first 24 hours. 

Funny how this record made the two most petty fanbases on the Internet finally clash

[chartslovergermany]

Aug 28, 2018 7:07:45 GMT -5 nevillelongbottom said:

Aug 28, 2018 6:46:31 GMT -5 chartslovergermany said:

Data's speaks for themselves and even kworb says that Taylor still has the record #lwymmd

Except that the screenshot from kworb says "Counts views on one particular day, not the views in the first 24 hours."

And BTS beat Taylor's record for the first 24 hours. 

wasn‘t it first over 50million +🤔

[willapted33]

Mo Bamba is #9 on Bubbling Under this week

it's on RapCaviar and is #34 on Spotify

here's to hoping it can chart

[chartslovergermany]

Aug 28, 2018 7:10:40 GMT -5 Harx said:

Aug 28, 2018 7:07:45 GMT -5 nevillelongbottom said:

Except that the screenshot from kworb says "Counts views on one particular day, not the views in the first 24 hours."

And BTS beat Taylor's record for the first 24 hours. 

Funny how this record made the two most petty fanbases on the Internet finally clash

it‘s not clash i just want to be sure if BTS or Taylor has the record :) ,if that guy is right and IDOL broked the record i wouldn’t be mad about that because records are meant to be broken,and i already expected that a K-Pop group would break the record so i‘m not really shocked
Next time someone else will break the record again (maybe even Taylor so i don’t have a problem with that)

[Golden Bluebird]

Okay, so I'm seeing today's radio updates on Kworb and... why are all the updates +0.000?

[nevillelongbottom]

Aug 28, 2018 7:41:29 GMT -5 chartslovergermany said:

Aug 28, 2018 7:10:40 GMT -5 Harx said:

Funny how this record made the two most petty fanbases on the Internet finally clash

it‘s not clash i just want to be sure if BTS or Taylor has the record ,if that guy is right and IDOL broked the record i wouldn’t be mad about that because records are meant to be broken,and i already expected that a K-Pop group would break the record so i‘m not really shocked
Next time someone else will break the record again (maybe even Taylor so i don’t have a problem with that)

I really don't even care about the record that much... but YouTube themselves tweeted that BTS broke the record. Isn't that proof enough?

[renaboss]

So "Mooo!" is the first mellow rap song I've heard that is actually catchy. Take that, Post Malone. Now please dethrone "In My Feelings", that bore.

[damazz09]

I know that this issue has been talked to death but I have a serious question about Pop fans. Is pop music really dead right now and if so, where did all of its listeners go? Did they all move to hip-hop or stopped listening to pop music in general or a combination of both? Or does Pop still have the same amount of listeners and that the metrics that dictate what's popular has changed and it's not reflective through Streaming?

[Deleted]

Aug 28, 2018 8:07:10 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

Okay, so I'm seeing today's radio updates on Kworb and... why are all the updates +0.000?

It's a glitch.  They'll fix it.

[YourFaveIsAFlop]

Aug 28, 2018 6:02:48 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

The Hot 100 is just as accurate, I think. However, I think streaming makes the chart focus more on a small group of people than everyone. If you buy a song, you buy it once, it affects the chart once, and that is it. Radio is free to anyone and is pretty much for everyone. However, since each stream is tracked and counts, 'small' groups of people listening to a song can have a huge impact on the charts

For example, before Spotify, fans could only keep songs afloat for so long based on iTunes. You buy the song once, and although you can buy it again for friends, the chances of someone being able to (or a large amount of people being able to) an a large scale is probably zero. So for a song to be big, it had to become popular outside the fan base as well. However, if your fan base is big enough now, their streams can get you very high without needing to go far outside the fan base. Likewise, streaming has a different demographic and only so many people even know that it exists, and so know what is big on it. I think that is what creates the feeling of "no one I know likes this song but it's #1??"

There is practically no way for fans to game the charts by mass streaming. Although the Hot 100 formula is giving more weight to streams than before, you'd have to stream a song for 5-6 hours straight to count as much as a digital sale. Even if you have several hundred people doing that, it's not going to drastically impact the chart, particularly at the top of the chart.

[bannedonatrl]

Aug 28, 2018 10:20:18 GMT -5 damazz09 said:

I know that this issue has been talked to death but I have a serious question about Pop fans. Is pop music really dead right now and if so, where did all of its listeners go? Did they all move to hip-hop or stopped listening to pop music in general or a combination of both? Or does Pop still have the same amount of listeners and that the metrics that dictate what's popular has changed and it's not reflective through Streaming?

speaking for myself. the guys that are streaming hip hop right now used to pirate it. Hot 100 doesnt include Limewire downloads so u never could tell how popular hip hop really was.

[YourFaveIsAFlop]

Aug 28, 2018 10:35:16 GMT -5 bannedonatrl said:

Aug 28, 2018 10:20:18 GMT -5 damazz09 said:

I know that this issue has been talked to death but I have a serious question about Pop fans. Is pop music really dead right now and if so, where did all of its listeners go? Did they all move to hip-hop or stopped listening to pop music in general or a combination of both? Or does Pop still have the same amount of listeners and that the metrics that dictate what's popular has changed and it's not reflective through Streaming?

speaking for myself. the guys that are streaming hip hop right now used to pirate it. Hot 100 doesnt include Limewire downloads so u never could tell how popular hip hop really was.

And if Billboard weights paid subscriptions higher than free tier streaming, like they do now with passive vs on-demand, hip hop songs will start to see weaker chart positions again. 

[Az Paynter]

Aug 28, 2018 10:22:19 GMT -5 @mello said:

Aug 28, 2018 8:07:10 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

Okay, so I'm seeing today's radio updates on Kworb and... why are all the updates +0.000?

It's a glitch.  They'll fix it.

Kworb's site sources its data from AllAccess; if AllAccess doesn't update on time (which today it hasn't) then Kworb won't update properly either.

[tanooki]

Reminder that Perfect is at 52 weeks.

Since its still in the top 20, how long will it last before the 25/52 rule gets it?

[damazz09]

Aug 28, 2018 10:35:16 GMT -5 bannedonatrl said:

speaking for myself. the guys that are streaming hip hop right now used to pirate it. Hot 100 doesnt include Limewire downloads so u never could tell how popular hip hop really was.

Ah good point. I wonder how much hip-hop would've dominated if illegal downloads were to be included from the mid 2000's on. I also wonder too if hip hop listeners play songs more often than pop listeners. Meaning if a hip hop's fan favorite song is 'In My Feelings', are they playing that song 8 times a day vs. a pop's fan favorite song is "No Tears Left To Cry", they're only playing that song maybe 4 times a day (using arbitrary numbers of course)

[NeRD]

Charts are kinda weak at the moment.

Would be the perfect time for a certain female artist to release her lead.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Aug 28, 2018 11:14:36 GMT -5 tanooki said:

Reminder that Perfect is at 52 weeks.

Since its still in the top 20, how long will it last before the 25/52 rule gets it?

If there's no album bomb before then, it could get close to getting to Shape of You's 59 weeks.

[thelegends]

Aug 28, 2018 7:29:26 GMT -5 willapted33 said:

Mo Bamba is #9 on Bubbling Under this week

it's on RapCaviar and is #34 on Spotify

here's to hoping it can chart

Not the best, a bit sleepy but the charts are terrible currently and I can appreciate it.

P.S.: It has the dumbest song name I've ever heard

[jebsib]

Pop goes up and down in cycles and has for 70 years: Top 40 radio ratings are much lower than 5 years before, the superstars of the last 10 years burned out, r&b ascends, a few years of weak unmemorable pop music and c-tier artists will be followed by years of a resurgence. 1953, 1961, 1972, 1981, 1992, 2001, 2016. PDs and culturalists just ride it out.

[marc980]

Aug 28, 2018 11:14:36 GMT -5 tanooki said:

Reminder that Perfect is at 52 weeks.

Since its still in the top 20, how long will it last before the 25/52 rule gets it?

I don't see any album bomb coming so probably it will continue to fall slowly like it's doing. I can see it passing Shape of You too (we have 7 more weeks)

[YourFaveIsAFlop]

Aug 28, 2018 12:25:02 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Pop goes up and down in cycles and has for 70 years: Top 40 radio ratings are much lower than 5 years before, the superstars of the last 10 years burned out, r&b ascends, a few years of weak unmemorable pop music and c-tier artists will be followed by years of a resurgence. 1953, 1961, 1972, 1981, 1992, 2001, 2016. PDs and culturalists just ride it out.

And there is also the fact that what we consider R&B today was more or less the same as pop music 15 years ago. Much of what is considered "hip hop" right now will be considered pop music 15-20 years from now. Drake in particular will not be viewed as a hip hop artist IMO.

[Deleted]

Aug 28, 2018 12:33:02 GMT -5 YourFaveIsAFlop said:

Aug 28, 2018 12:25:02 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Pop goes up and down in cycles and has for 70 years: Top 40 radio ratings are much lower than 5 years before, the superstars of the last 10 years burned out, r&b ascends, a few years of weak unmemorable pop music and c-tier artists will be followed by years of a resurgence. 1953, 1961, 1972, 1981, 1992, 2001, 2016. PDs and culturalists just ride it out.

And there is also the fact that what we consider R&B today was more or less the same as pop music 15 years ago. Much of what is considered "hip hop" right now will be considered pop music 15-20 years from now. Drake in particular will not be viewed as a hip hop artist IMO.

This is something I was going to touch on in a previous conversation about Drake being viewed as the most successful rapper of all time.  In addition to times, trends and chart methodologies changing, I feel like Drake is less of a straight up "rapper" than many that came before him - and more of a present day hybrid of things.  I feel this way about hip hop/rap in general, really, in terms of who's dominating the hip hop charts vs 20-30 years ago.  There's a lot of melodic sing/talk/rapping going on these days.  Drake, specifically, has straight up R&B love songs in his wheelhouse.  I personally prefer him on songs like Hold On We're Going Home than, say, Nonstop. He's got such a sweet delivery when he's not serving a less believable, harder edge.  In My Feelings is somewhere in the middle for me, so I can dig it.  All this said, he's a fairly unique artist, and I appreciate his presence and output for what it is.

[Dylan :)]

Aug 28, 2018 10:26:37 GMT -5 YourFaveIsAFlop said:

Aug 28, 2018 6:02:48 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

The Hot 100 is just as accurate, I think. However, I think streaming makes the chart focus more on a small group of people than everyone. If you buy a song, you buy it once, it affects the chart once, and that is it. Radio is free to anyone and is pretty much for everyone. However, since each stream is tracked and counts, 'small' groups of people listening to a song can have a huge impact on the charts

For example, before Spotify, fans could only keep songs afloat for so long based on iTunes. You buy the song once, and although you can buy it again for friends, the chances of someone being able to (or a large amount of people being able to) an a large scale is probably zero. So for a song to be big, it had to become popular outside the fan base as well. However, if your fan base is big enough now, their streams can get you very high without needing to go far outside the fan base. Likewise, streaming has a different demographic and only so many people even know that it exists, and so know what is big on it. I think that is what creates the feeling of "no one I know likes this song but it's #1??"

There is practically no way for fans to game the charts by mass streaming. Although the Hot 100 formula is giving more weight to streams than before, you'd have to stream a song for 5-6 hours straight to count as much as a digital sale. Even if you have several hundred people doing that, it's not going to drastically impact the chart, particularly at the top of the chart.

That isn't what I said. Post Malone, for example, might have loads of fans which cause him to get millions of streams a week, but he could be doing pretty much nothing on iTunes, not much on radio (he is only a generic example, I know he is doing well there) and just isn't known by people under 15 and over 30. They're not gaming the charts, they're just listening to his music. But their music (streaming) is tracked much more than other forms and so has more impact on the charts, i.e. a 'small' (I mean hundreds of thousands to even millions, not a few hundred) group of people can have a large impact on the charts

[Gary]

Kids determine what a "hit" is, has since the beginning of hit tracking.

[bannedonatrl]

Aug 28, 2018 11:51:04 GMT -5 damazz09 said:

Aug 28, 2018 10:35:16 GMT -5 bannedonatrl said:

speaking for myself. the guys that are streaming hip hop right now used to pirate it. Hot 100 doesnt include Limewire downloads so u never could tell how popular hip hop really was.

Ah good point. I wonder how much hip-hop would've dominated if illegal downloads were to be included from the mid 2000's on. I also wonder too if hip hop listeners play songs more often than pop listeners. Meaning if a hip hop's fan favorite song is 'In My Feelings', are they playing that song 8 times a day vs. a pop's fan favorite song is "No Tears Left To Cry", they're only playing that song maybe 4 times a day (using arbitrary numbers of course)

also speaking for myself, i used to print lyrics to rehearse rap songs in the 2000s. to impress my friends by rapping (for example) Lil Wayne’s “A Milli” word for word. to do that i’d have a song on repeat for a long time.

idk if ppl still care about lyrics like that in 2018 but im sure kids have rap songs on repeat to learn the latest viral dance or whatever

what im saying is the average rap fan is much more invested in music than the average pop listener

[YourFaveIsAFlop]

Aug 28, 2018 13:31:35 GMT -5 bannedonatrl said:

Aug 28, 2018 11:51:04 GMT -5 damazz09 said:

Ah good point. I wonder how much hip-hop would've dominated if illegal downloads were to be included from the mid 2000's on. I also wonder too if hip hop listeners play songs more often than pop listeners. Meaning if a hip hop's fan favorite song is 'In My Feelings', are they playing that song 8 times a day vs. a pop's fan favorite song is "No Tears Left To Cry", they're only playing that song maybe 4 times a day (using arbitrary numbers of course)

also speaking for myself, i used to print lyrics to rehearse rap songs in the 2000s. to impress my friends by rapping (for example) Lil Wayne’s “A Milli” word for word. to do that i’d have a song on repeat for a long time.

That's essentially the whole rationale behind lyric videos. Kids play them on repeat.

[chartslovergermany]

Aug 28, 2018 10:20:18 GMT -5 damazz09 said:

I know that this issue has been talked to death but I have a serious question about Pop fans. Is pop music really dead right now and if so, where did all of its listeners go? Did they all move to hip-hop or stopped listening to pop music in general or a combination of both? Or does Pop still have the same amount of listeners and that the metrics that dictate what's popular has changed and it's not reflective through Streaming?

I'm still here and I don't think pop is dying,because many people are still listening to Pop artist like AG,Tay Tay,Demi and so on,and I think that pop still have the same amount of listeners.
And yes streaming is more for the hip hop orientated and sales(purchasing) is more pop.
And atm many kids or teenagers are listening to hip hop,not only in the US (here in Germany "germanrap" became a huge thing too and now it's trending)
If Billboard would change it's rules again about streaming you would see that pop song would be much bigger on the charts like before

[ddlz]

THE BIBLE'S
CHART MESS

Everybody in the business knows that Billboard’s chart methodology is a mess. It’s not just Nicki Minaj’s tirade against all things bundle-able. The real problem is that nobody on its staff understands the complexities of today’s business—and not one top executive there has ever worked for the rights holders.

Add to this mix the severely tarnished John Amato, who led the Bible to its latest stupidity like a drunken NYC Uber driver with no GPS, and matters get especially ugly. Amato had been on a self-aggrandizement trajectory of late, and if that $18 million payout he’s so brazenly been telling friends about is accurate, he did succeed. Which makes his own story even more vile.

But the damage can’t be laid at his feet alone: The place has been a shit show for the entirety of the 21st century. It has no vision and no voice; it gets zero respect. Its charts were the last vestige of a once-great brand, and now even that’s over. Billboard is now regarded as the #4 music trade in the business. Or maybe #5.

One ray of hope: The new management team from Media Rights Capital (MRC), Modi Wiczyk and Asif Satchu—who boast massive success in film (Baby Driver) and TV (House of Cards)—may yet figure this puzzle out. Smart guys with great access haven’t always had the right stuff to figure out music’s conundrums, but hey, you never know. Those who know the pair well say they’re egoless in their process.

One thing’s for sure: They won’t be led around the ring by the nose by the likes of Lyor Cohen and his truthless banter. Biz watchers wonder when the YouTube brain trust will jettison him like all his past partners or employers—except for one, of course.

hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=313161

[bannedonatrl]

Aug 28, 2018 13:51:53 GMT -5 chartslovergermany said:

Aug 28, 2018 10:20:18 GMT -5 damazz09 said:

I know that this issue has been talked to death but I have a serious question about Pop fans. Is pop music really dead right now and if so, where did all of its listeners go? Did they all move to hip-hop or stopped listening to pop music in general or a combination of both? Or does Pop still have the same amount of listeners and that the metrics that dictate what's popular has changed and it's not reflective through Streaming?

I'm still here and I don't think pop is dying,because many people are still listening to Pop artist like AG,Tay Tay,Demi and so on,and I think that pop still have the same amount of listeners.
And yes streaming is more for the hip hop orientated and sales(purchasing) is more pop.
And atm many kids or teenagers are listening to hip hop,not only in the US (here in Germany "germanrap" became a huge thing too and now it's trending)
If Billboard would change it's rules again about streaming you would see that pop song would be much bigger on the charts like before

Yup most countries have their own local rap scenes with their own rap stars. its not like back in the day when europeans wanted to be american SO bad. They have their own identities now.
Thats how it is here in The Netherlands.

[kanfad]

Seriously, what did bb ever do to hitsdd? Because it seems like they keep sending shots every week