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Post by wjr15 on Mar 20, 2019 18:36:22 GMT -5
Katy needs to perform this on the first live Idol show coming up. I really feel like part of this is from lack of promotion. A lot of people don't even know this song exists.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 18:45:35 GMT -5
A lack of promo and then just general interest in Katy was this song's down fall.
I've heard no one outside of Pulse talk of the song Have heard it nowhere Nor hear of anyone talking of Katy in general
That being from a teenage demographic and then older folks I know
The song itself still is pretty good but I never saw it going anywhere too far without promo, so if it stalls out or plummets it wouldn't be a surprise Basically a mirror run to Swan Song
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Post by gabe on Mar 20, 2019 19:20:36 GMT -5
I'm convinced that a song with Katy & Taylor will respark her career. Now, whether that will happen or not is a different story..
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Post by Choco on Mar 20, 2019 20:07:07 GMT -5
I don't see what Taylor gets out of a Katy Perry collaboration tbh. They have probably buried their feud but aren't really friends either.
I'm kinda sad we never got a Rih x Katy track, and I don't think they're close anymore either.
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Post by wavey.✨️ on Mar 20, 2019 21:35:32 GMT -5
I think Rih was at Katy's proposal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 21:48:41 GMT -5
Nobody’s career stays on top forever but still I wonder if the 2016 election and her strong involvement in it made her polarizing to radio DJs. There’s a reason Taylor and other artists choose to be mute or avoid politics for years and that might have played a part.
It just seems weird to go from the #1 hitmaker to ...what Witness was.
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Post by aussie1 on Mar 20, 2019 23:05:29 GMT -5
It's so sad to see how far Katy has fallen from grace. This song is decent and not really any different to any other Zedd song released recently. The music video is good and the song sounds like a radio hit but no one is buying or streaming this. The problem is clearly Katy but why? Her look since the start of the witness era might be to blame. I also don't think American idol is doing anything to help repair her career at this point. Though in saying all of that I'm still hoping for a performance of this on idol.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Mar 20, 2019 23:19:14 GMT -5
It's so sad to see how far Katy has fallen from grace. This song is decent and not really any different to any other Zedd song released recently. The music video is good and the song sounds like a radio hit but no one is buying or streaming this. The problem is clearly Katy but why? Her look since the start of the witness era might be to blame. I also don't think American idol is doing anything to help repair her career at this point. Though in saying all of that I'm still hoping for a performance of this on idol. I don't see how it's sad, most artists wish to have the kind of run Katy Perry had. I did not expect her to do anything following I Kissed A Girl since that track is very 'one hit wonder' but she continued to defy my expectations, but eventually the clock on her relevancy when it came to hits started giving up around 5 years ago. The honest reason why Roar and Dark Horse did well was because Teenage Dream was so massive that anything that followed it was also gonna be massive. But after that, what is there? Katy Perry never seemed like someone who would have 20+ years of relevancy like Madonna, even in her winning days in the early 2010's I don't remember people talking about her having longevity the same way Lady Gaga and or Bruno Mars (who debuted at the same time) would have. She was a flash in the pan, which is unfortunate but again if I was Katy I wouldn't be too down on myself, cuz that run between 2008 and 2014 was legendary and most artists don't even have a record as iconic as Teenage Dream. I would just venture off and do other things, her name is still pretty big, Katy Perry as a celebrity is still huge. She should go off and do films or fashion or other stuff like Gaga and Rihanna. She has her money, she's set for life. She really doesn't need hits anymore.
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Post by aussie1 on Mar 20, 2019 23:29:01 GMT -5
It's so sad to see how far Katy has fallen from grace. This song is decent and not really any different to any other Zedd song released recently. The music video is good and the song sounds like a radio hit but no one is buying or streaming this. The problem is clearly Katy but why? Her look since the start of the witness era might be to blame. I also don't think American idol is doing anything to help repair her career at this point. Though in saying all of that I'm still hoping for a performance of this on idol. I don't see how it's sad, most artists wish to have the kind of run Katy Perry had. I did not expect her to do anything following I Kissed A Girl since that track is very 'one hit wonder' but she continued to defy my expectations, but eventually the clock on her relevancy when it came to hits started giving up around 5 years ago. The honest reason why Roar and Dark Horse did well was because Teenage Dream was so massive that anything that followed it was also gonna be massive. But after that, what is there? Katy Perry never seemed like someone who would have 20+ years of relevancy like Madonna, even in her winning days in the early 2010's I don't remember people talking about her having longevity the same way Lady Gaga and or Bruno Mars (who debuted at the same time) would have. She was a flash in the pan, which is unfortunate but again if I was Katy I wouldn't be too down on myself, cuz that run between 2008 and 2014 was legendary and most artists don't even have a record as iconic as Teenage Dream. I would just venture off and do other things, her name is still pretty big, Katy Perry as a celebrity is still huge. She should go off and do films or fashion or other stuff like Gaga and Rihanna. She has her money, she's set for life. She really doesn't need hits anymore. It's sad (to me at least) because of everything you listed; Her achievements are huge and she didn't deserve to be a flash in the pan Dark horse and roar were huge probably bigger then any of her previous singles. So chained to the rhythm flopping was completely shocking to me because just like this song it wasn't bad had a Grammy performance etc but I guess it just didn't connect. 365 could of been released by Rihanna and completely smashed so its definitely not the material, I think its all down to Katy's current image she is no longer considered hot and sexy by many. Which is wild because she is beautiful, but I guess people loved her for her Dark long hair. Though it isn't just her hair obviously I think its the way she is in interviews and on Idol. (See Ellen 2017 interview). All that plus radio is ageist.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Mar 20, 2019 23:46:00 GMT -5
I don't see how it's sad, most artists wish to have the kind of run Katy Perry had. I did not expect her to do anything following I Kissed A Girl since that track is very 'one hit wonder' but she continued to defy my expectations, but eventually the clock on her relevancy when it came to hits started giving up around 5 years ago. The honest reason why Roar and Dark Horse did well was because Teenage Dream was so massive that anything that followed it was also gonna be massive. But after that, what is there? Katy Perry never seemed like someone who would have 20+ years of relevancy like Madonna, even in her winning days in the early 2010's I don't remember people talking about her having longevity the same way Lady Gaga and or Bruno Mars (who debuted at the same time) would have. She was a flash in the pan, which is unfortunate but again if I was Katy I wouldn't be too down on myself, cuz that run between 2008 and 2014 was legendary and most artists don't even have a record as iconic as Teenage Dream. I would just venture off and do other things, her name is still pretty big, Katy Perry as a celebrity is still huge. She should go off and do films or fashion or other stuff like Gaga and Rihanna. She has her money, she's set for life. She really doesn't need hits anymore. It's sad (to me at least) because of everything you listed; Her achievements are huge and she didn't deserve to be a flash in the pan Dark horse and roar were huge probably bigger then any of her previous singles. So chained to the rhythm flopping was completely shocking to me because just like this song it wasn't bad had a Grammy performance etc but I guess it just didn't connect. 365 could of been released by Rihanna and completely smashed so its definitely not the material, I think its all down to Katy's current image she is no longer considered hot and sexy by many. Which is wild because she is beautiful, but I guess people loved her for her Dark long hair. Though it isn't just her hair obviously I think its the way she is in interviews and on Idol. (See Ellen 2017 interview). All that plus radio is ageist. It could be her hair, but honestly I don't believe it. Katy Perry just doesn't have a personality the same way Gaga or Rihanna does, and she doesn't carry herself that way. In interviews Katy doesn't seem like a pop star, she seems like some goofy regular girl, which is fine but I think that's why she hasn't lasted as long as some of her peers. Ariana acts the same way, "goofy every girl" but she still carries herself as a pop star, I look at her and I'm like "she's on top of the world." She's like Wonder Woman. Music critic Todd In The Shadows talked about how pop stars used to be like superheros, but I think those types are still around and unfortunately Katy doesn't feel like it.
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Post by leonagwen on Mar 21, 2019 0:30:00 GMT -5
I love Katy but she cant sing multiple genres like Lady Gaga can.Lady Gaga can sing an uptempo dance song, can sing a rock song, and she can sing a ballad. Katy basically can only sing a generic pop song.Katy was at the top in the early 2010's but staying at the top doesnt last forever unless your a legend or if you alter your style or image.
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Post by Anticonformity on Mar 21, 2019 2:08:38 GMT -5
I'm just so glad we got that video... one of her best!
Success in life does not equal chart success/job success...
The fact that she was open about taking time for her mental health to me is success <3
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 3:45:05 GMT -5
she needs a big mix with a hot star, maybe Donald Trump will newdo
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 21, 2019 5:56:31 GMT -5
POP: 24 21 ZEDD & KATY PERRY 365 3235 3110 125 10.095
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HOT AC: 30 28 ZEDD & KATY PERRY 365 553 462 91 1.021
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Mar 21, 2019 20:18:30 GMT -5
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Post by wjr15 on Mar 22, 2019 3:09:45 GMT -5
365 remixes have been released.
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Post by upsidedown on Mar 22, 2019 5:21:43 GMT -5
So yeah, unfortunately this is dead. Honestly, I'm not sure what she can do now if a Zedd song can't even get her inside the Top 20 at pop radio.
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 22, 2019 5:49:54 GMT -5
POP: 24 22 ZEDD & KATY PERRY 365 3240 3130 110 10.107
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Post by Adrian C. 🍓 on Mar 22, 2019 9:57:56 GMT -5
Yeah this song is dying, which is unfortunate since it’s easily the best thing Zedd has done since his album True Colors. It’s obviously not as great, but it’s catchy enough and not annoying like The Middle. The fact that there are already remixes shows how desperate they are to save the song, but it’s probably just done at this point.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Mar 22, 2019 12:10:42 GMT -5
So yeah, unfortunately this is dead. Honestly, I'm not sure what she can do now if a Zedd song can't even get her inside the Top 20 at pop radio. You said that like Zedd is Rihanna or Ariana
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Post by leonagwen on Mar 22, 2019 14:42:46 GMT -5
It's not like Katy and Zedd promoted this song that much. Maybe they should have promoted it more?
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Post by airbear92 on Mar 22, 2019 14:56:38 GMT -5
This is sort of just there. The beat doesn't grab you really. The hook is sorta catchy...kinda. It's just okay. Not sure why people dump on The Middle, it's a lot catchier.
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Post by die Lotterie on Mar 22, 2019 15:05:42 GMT -5
Yeah this song is dying, which is unfortunate since it’s easily the best thing Zedd has done since his album True Colors. It’s obviously not as great, but it’s catchy enough and not annoying like The Middle. The fact that there are already remixes shows how desperate they are to save the song, but it’s probably just done at this point. What? He's an EDM artist, a lot of his releases have remixes. I don't smell desperation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 15:31:50 GMT -5
While I agree that the root problem is clearly Kathryn* and not the song itself, I don't side with the "if Zedd couldn't save her no one could" mentality - Zedd has hits but he also has recent misses (Get Low, Happy Now, Lost In Japan remix). He isn't that guy where anything with him would be a lock regardless of promotion/lack thereof. TBH I'm not sure any DJ/producer these days is a sure thing, though we're often quick to throw that out as a suggestion for someone to get an 'easy' hit. That phase in pop music might be done. The main advantage of working with a producer now is being able to throw out a song without having to hitch an entire album campaign to it. If it sticks, great, and if it doesn't, you can go back to the drawing board with minimal loss.
*Emphasis on Kathryn - I think it was pretty clear during the Witness era that she was pretty exhausted of having to play Katy Perry, Pop StarTM. She may still love making music but nothing about this song or the way it's been not-handled indicates she's ready to swing back into Pop Star mode and claw her way back to the top. I'm not sure "Katy Perry" could have made this perform any better, but Kathryn Hudson is definitely not what most people are checking for, and that's what we're getting right now. If she wanted a hit she would have noted the current urban-pop trend and put out something more akin to Dark Horse, and she'd be pushing it heavily.
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Post by deepston on Mar 22, 2019 16:23:35 GMT -5
I'm still baffled how The Middle managed to be such a huge smash and this can't even crack the top 20 on pop.
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Post by pancakes on Mar 22, 2019 17:17:38 GMT -5
It is because The Middle is well crafted pop perfection and this isn’t anything close to it.
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Post by Adrian C. 🍓 on Mar 22, 2019 17:43:07 GMT -5
Yeah this song is dying, which is unfortunate since it’s easily the best thing Zedd has done since his album True Colors. It’s obviously not as great, but it’s catchy enough and not annoying like The Middle. The fact that there are already remixes shows how desperate they are to save the song, but it’s probably just done at this point. What? He's an EDM artist, a lot of his releases have remixes. I don't smell desperation. I only say this because it’s barely been a month since the song was released. There’s usually a little bit more of a gap between the single release and the remix EP release.
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Post by deepston on Mar 22, 2019 19:16:50 GMT -5
It is because The Middle is well crafted pop perfection and this isn’t anything close to it. It's neither well crafted or pop perfection.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 19:23:46 GMT -5
It is because The Middle is well crafted pop perfection and this isn’t anything close to it. ....wow that's some low standards if that's pop perfection...let alone well crafted It literally is just Stay V2, and Stay is the better song anyways
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Post by Future Captain on Mar 22, 2019 21:29:56 GMT -5
The Middle is one of the worst produced #1 Pop hit in recent years, so no. Again, it's sad that this might collapse before even reaching top 20 (Note the might, since I'm still holding out hope that an Idol performance might give this enough momentary boost to convince stations to send this to top 20)
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