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Post by wavey.✨️ on Mar 26, 2019 22:33:06 GMT -5
There. Is. Little. Promo.
Sigh.
I'm sure noone expected Maren to get a Top 5 hit with Zedd. But you know what they did? Promote. All these other things about Katy "peaking" does not really affect the song , and we couldnt really determine that...if they actually promoted the song. Hell, the Christmas song she had hit Top 50 on based off of Amazon sales that she was actively promoting online.
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Post by wjr15 on Mar 26, 2019 22:48:31 GMT -5
There. Is. Little. Promo. Sigh. Outside of a music video, Cozy Little Christmas had more promo than this. It was heavily featured on Amazon commercials all throughout November and December on TV, Hulu, Youtube, and Facebook. Also, I remember there being a bright large ad for CLC in the middle of Piccadilly Circus, so I'm sure there were physical advertisements in other cities. Plus, let's be real here, Katy is no longer at the point in her career where she can release music with little to no promo and have it do well. She has to work for hits if she wants them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 22:55:54 GMT -5
There no reason to keep this going radio should cut there losses n drop it
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Post by airbear92 on Mar 27, 2019 0:26:55 GMT -5
Katy Perry cannot song choruses at all. Swish Swish was awful. Chained to the Rhythm sounded terrible. H er pop peak was the Teenage Dream album with smash after smash. Firework, Ternage Dream etc. were all great. This sounds ok. Yeah that album was great. she hasn't had a good single since Dark Horse, the warning signs were there when the 3rd and 4th singles flopped from Prism
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 1:39:19 GMT -5
Katy Perry cannot song choruses at all. Swish Swish was awful. Chained to the Rhythm sounded terrible. H er pop peak was the Teenage Dream album with smash after smash. Firework, Ternage Dream etc. were all great. This sounds ok. Yeah that album was great. she hasn't had a good single since Dark Horse, the warning signs were there when the 3rd and 4th singles flopped from Prism *4th and 5th
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Post by kcdawg13 on Mar 27, 2019 2:04:33 GMT -5
Yeah that album was great. she hasn't had a good single since Dark Horse, the warning signs were there when the 3rd and 4th singles flopped from Prism *4th and 5th I don't blame them, everybody forgot about Unconditionally.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 2:47:11 GMT -5
I don't blame them, everybody forgot about Unconditionally. I could never forget Prism best song
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 27, 2019 6:55:17 GMT -5
POP: 21 24 ZEDD & KATY PERRY 365 3269 3246 23 9.980
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HOT AC: 27 28 ZEDD & KATY PERRY 365 573 556 17 1.253
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Post by airbear92 on Mar 27, 2019 22:18:41 GMT -5
Yeah that album was great. she hasn't had a good single since Dark Horse, the warning signs were there when the 3rd and 4th singles flopped from Prism *4th and 5th Unconditionally just did okay. 14 on the Hot 100 when you're top 5 biggest pop artist in the world at the time is not impressive
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Post by leonagwen on Mar 28, 2019 3:25:08 GMT -5
It's a shame that this wasnt a bigger hit. The problem is lack of promotion.
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 28, 2019 5:31:15 GMT -5
POP: 21 24 ZEDD & KATY PERRY 365 3291 3233 58 10.042
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HOT AC: 28 30 ZEDD & KATY PERRY 365 584 553 31 1.306
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 28, 2019 9:29:11 GMT -5
Unconditionally just did okay. 14 on the Hot 100 when you're top 5 biggest pop artist in the world at the time is not impressive Where’s your single at?
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Post by Au$tin on Mar 28, 2019 9:53:32 GMT -5
Unconditionally just did okay. 14 on the Hot 100 when you're top 5 biggest pop artist in the world at the time is not impressive Where’s your single at? What a weird way to dismiss someone's argument. No matter how you slice it, "Unconditionally" did not perform up to standards for Katy Perry at the time. No one is saying it was a colossal flop, but barely scraping the top ten on pop and not even making the top ten on the Hot 100 is pretty disappointing after ten straight #1 hits on pop and ten straight top 5 hits on the Hot 100. That's not even an opinion, it's just straight facts that "Unconditionally" had a drastic drop in success from the ten singles before it (and the one after it). Again, that doesn't mean it was a big flop, but it ultimately performed below expectations. Yes, for plenty of other artists, they would love to have songs do as well as "Unconditionally," but Katy Perry wasn't "plenty of other artists" at the time. She was literally one of the biggest names in music at that point. It doesn't take a genius to see why her situation would be different from, say, Sara Bareilles getting a hit of that size in that point in time. While for Sara, it would become one of her most well known songs (since "Brave" performed similarly to "Unconditionally," we can say this with accuracy), "Unconditionally" gets lost and forgotten in Katy's discography. That's really not even a bad problem to have. All of Katy's other massive hits more than make up for "Unconditionally"'s lower turnout. So I guess I just have no idea why one would get so defensive when someone dares to point out a single performed below par when they're not wrong or even being negative. (Nor do I see why any of this pertains to "365.") Now, with that all being said, this whole topic seems to have stemmed from miscommunication. Unconditionally just did okay. 14 on the Hot 100 when you're top 5 biggest pop artist in the world at the time is not impressive To me, this seems like you think drakeisskinny is telling you the third single, "Unconditionally," was as big as the other hits and you wanted to clarify that you were counting "Unconditionally" as the start of her diminishing returns and not "Birthday." However, drakeisskinny is actually saying that "Unconditionally" was the second single. "Dark Horse" was third. It went "Roar," "Unconditionally," "Dark Horse," "Birthday," and "This Is How We Do" (what a terrible single choice that was, lol, but at least the music video was cute).
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Post by Legenderry on Mar 28, 2019 10:29:08 GMT -5
Let's not act like Unconditionally wasn't squashed in between two huge hits with great longevity. Dark Horse especially was charting very high for like months before even becoming a single.
Birthday was not the right single choice but it still went top 10 on pop radio. TIHWD is the one that started the downward spiral. I mean radio DJs were on record saying they wanted to spin Walking On Air and then she releases that garbage heap instead...
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Post by pcg4 on Mar 28, 2019 14:52:32 GMT -5
Let's not act like Unconditionally wasn't squashed in between two huge hits with great longevity. Dark Horse especially was charting very high for like months before even becoming a single. Birthday was not the right single choice but it still went top 10 on pop radio. TIHWD is the one that started the downward spiral. I mean radio DJs were on record saying they wanted to spin Walking On Air and then she releases that garbage heap instead... And let's not forget that Legendary Lovers was in that album. In my opinion it would have done way more better it as a single than Birthay, WOA (which by the way would have been better than the last two singles) and TIHWD. Sometimes I think she likes to sabotage her own career.
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Post by wjr15 on Mar 28, 2019 14:53:14 GMT -5
Let's not act like Unconditionally wasn't squashed in between two huge hits with great longevity. Dark Horse especially was charting very high for like months before even becoming a single. Birthday was not the right single choice but it still went top 10 on pop radio. TIHWD is the one that started the downward spiral. I mean radio DJs were on record saying they wanted to spin Walking On Air and then she releases that garbage heap instead... This is basically how I feel about the whole Prism era. Unconditionally was pretty much overshadowed by Roar and Dark Horse the entire time. Roar was Top 10 for a majority of Unconditionally's chart run and then Dark Horse came by the end of 2013 and bolted into the Top 10. While I'm happy Birthday was a single, I still blame that atrocious music video for hindering some of it's chart success. Then TIHWD came along and that was a horrible choice and the point when Katy's radio power started going downhill. They needed to come back strong after Birthday and WOA was the most obvious choice to do that. When it comes to Prism and Witness, the choice of singles have been questionable half of the time and is part of what has made her lose her power on radio. Katy has the songs, she just keeps them as album cuts for some reason.
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Post by #brayden on Mar 28, 2019 15:39:11 GMT -5
“This Is How We Do” was the only bad single choice from Prism, in my opinion. It always felt so out of her wheelhouse to me.
“Unconditionally” underperforming had more to do with there being more interest in “Dark Horse” at the time. I think the fact that it’s sitting in the Top 10 on her Spotify page over some of her prior (and much bigger) hits is somewhat of an indication that it could have been a bigger hit if they had released it at a better time. I’m sure pop, HAC and AC would have ate it up had it been released after “Dark Horse”.
“Walking on Air” should have been fourth and “Birthday” (with a better video) fifth.
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Post by Bhad Bill on Mar 28, 2019 19:07:00 GMT -5
“This Is How We Do” was the only bad single choice from Prism, in my opinion. It always felt so out of her wheelhouse to me. “Unconditionally” underperforming had more to do with there being more interest in “Dark Horse” at the time. I think the fact that it’s sitting in the Top 10 on her Spotify page over some of her prior (and much bigger) hits is somewhat of an indication that it could have been a bigger hit if they had released it at a better time. I’m sure pop, HAC and AC would have ate it up had it been released after “Dark Horse”. “Walking on Air” should have been fourth and “Birthday” (with a better video) fifth. This is the best sequence of singles from Prism that I could imagine! If DH were released around Halloween it could have been even bigger, carried her over into the new year and then Uncle would have done nicely through the rest of winter. Then hit them with Walking on Air in May heading into summer! Gah, it will always be a coulda shoulda situation. I actually love 365, I’ve watched the video lots of times. I enjoy the concept and think the short hair works really well the way it’s styled. Zedd looks like a child molester, on the other hand, but that’s neither here nor there. “I think about you, all the time, 24/7, 365” is super catchy! Honestly, I think the general public and pop music have just moved on from Katy, she spent too much time between Prism, the momentum killing Rise, and Chained. I will always root for her, I loved Witness lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 20:13:32 GMT -5
Imo, Legendary Lovers always deserved to be a single over the likes of This Is How We Do A huge missed opportunity
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Post by kcdawg13 on Mar 28, 2019 22:37:15 GMT -5
“This Is How We Do” was the only bad single choice from Prism, in my opinion. It always felt so out of her wheelhouse to me. “Unconditionally” underperforming had more to do with there being more interest in “Dark Horse” at the time. I think the fact that it’s sitting in the Top 10 on her Spotify page over some of her prior (and much bigger) hits is somewhat of an indication that it could have been a bigger hit if they had released it at a better time. I’m sure pop, HAC and AC would have ate it up had it been released after “Dark Horse”. “Walking on Air” should have been fourth and “Birthday” (with a better video) fifth. This is the best sequence of singles from Prism that I could imagine! If DH were released around Halloween it could have been even bigger, carried her over into the new year and then Uncle would have done nicely through the rest of winter. Then hit them with Walking on Air in May heading into summer! Gah, it will always be a coulda shoulda situation. I actually love 365, I’ve watched the video lots of times. I enjoy the concept and think the short hair works really well the way it’s styled. Zedd looks like a child molester, on the other hand, but that's neither here or there.“I think about you, all the time, 24/7, 365” is super catchy! Honestly, I think the general public and pop music have just moved on from Katy, she spent too much time between Prism, the momentum killing Rise, and Chained. I will always root for her, I loved Witness lol.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 28, 2019 22:39:23 GMT -5
Where’s your single at? What a weird way to dismiss someone's argument. No matter how you slice it, "Unconditionally" did not perform up to standards for Katy Perry at the time. No one is saying it was a colossal flop, but barely scraping the top ten on pop and not even making the top ten on the Hot 100 is pretty disappointing after ten straight #1 hits on pop and ten straight top 5 hits on the Hot 100. That's not even an opinion, it's just straight facts that "Unconditionally" had a drastic drop in success from the ten singles before it (and the one after it). Again, that doesn't mean it was a big flop, but it ultimately performed below expectations. Yes, for plenty of other artists, they would love to have songs do as well as "Unconditionally," but Katy Perry wasn't "plenty of other artists" at the time. She was literally one of the biggest names in music at that point. It doesn't take a genius to see why her situation would be different from, say, Sara Bareilles getting a hit of that size in that point in time. While for Sara, it would become one of her most well known songs (since "Brave" performed similarly to "Unconditionally," we can say this with accuracy), "Unconditionally" gets lost and forgotten in Katy's discography. That's really not even a bad problem to have. All of Katy's other massive hits more than make up for "Unconditionally"'s lower turnout. So I guess I just have no idea why one would get so defensive when someone dares to point out a single performed below par when they're not wrong or even being negative. (Nor do I see why any of this pertains to "365.") Now, with that all being said, this whole topic seems to have stemmed from miscommunication. Unconditionally just did okay. 14 on the Hot 100 when you're top 5 biggest pop artist in the world at the time is not impressive To me, this seems like you think drakeisskinny is telling you the third single, "Unconditionally," was as big as the other hits and you wanted to clarify that you were counting "Unconditionally" as the start of her diminishing returns and not "Birthday." However, drakeisskinny is actually saying that "Unconditionally" was the second single. "Dark Horse" was third. It went "Roar," "Unconditionally," "Dark Horse," "Birthday," and "This Is How We Do" (what a terrible single choice that was, lol, but at least the music video was cute). i wasn't dismissing an argument, i was just being snarky cuz all he does is hate on Katy in her threads. Had nothing to do with Unconditionally.
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 29, 2019 5:36:59 GMT -5
Yuck.
POP: 22 25 ZEDD & KATY PERRY 365 3240 3240 0 9.788
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HOT AC: 28 30 ZEDD & KATY PERRY 365 588 548 40 1.434
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Post by Legenderry on Mar 29, 2019 12:26:46 GMT -5
Let's not act like Unconditionally wasn't squashed in between two huge hits with great longevity. Dark Horse especially was charting very high for like months before even becoming a single. Birthday was not the right single choice but it still went top 10 on pop radio. TIHWD is the one that started the downward spiral. I mean radio DJs were on record saying they wanted to spin Walking On Air and then she releases that garbage heap instead... This is basically how I feel about the whole Prism era. Unconditionally was pretty much overshadowed by Roar and Dark Horse the entire time. Roar was Top 10 for a majority of Unconditionally's chart run and then Dark Horse came by the end of 2013 and bolted into the Top 10. While I'm happy Birthday was a single, I still blame that atrocious music video for hindering some of it's chart success. Then TIHWD came along and that was a horrible choice and the point when Katy's radio power started going downhill. They needed to come back strong after Birthday and WOA was the most obvious choice to do that. When it comes to Prism and Witness, the choice of singles have been questionable half of the time and is part of what has made her lose her power on radio. Katy has the songs, she just keeps them as album cuts for some reason. I wonder if she realizes in hindsight how bad her single choices have been the past 5 years. Imagine releasing This Is How We Do when you have Walking On Air. And then she repeats the same flagrant mistake with Witness twice: releasing Bon Appetit and Swish Swish instead of career highlights Tsunami and the title track. Other girls would be clamoring to have these songs...
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Post by #brayden on Mar 29, 2019 13:06:06 GMT -5
Meh. Katy’s album cuts, for the most part, aren’t anything special.
Trade “Walking on Air” and “Roulette” for “This Is How We Do” and “Swish Swish” in her singles discography and you can probably say the best songs from each album were released. “Bon Appetit” is at least one of the best songs on that album even if it wasn’t a good single choice.
“Hummingbird Heartbeat” is good too, but the Teenage Dream era clearly worked out well enough as it was.
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Post by nickd on Mar 29, 2019 14:52:42 GMT -5
Meh. Katy’s album cuts, for the most part, aren’t anything special. Trade “Walking on Air” and “Roulette” for “This Is How We Do” and “Swish Swish” in her singles discography and you can probably say the best songs from each album were released. “Bon Appetit” is at least one of the best songs on that album even if it wasn’t a good single choice. “Hummingbird Heartbeat” is good too, but the Teenage Dream era clearly worked out well enough as it was. I think Legendary Lovers and International Smile are definitely better than Roar and Unconditionally.
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Post by #brayden on Mar 29, 2019 15:01:52 GMT -5
Meh. Katy’s album cuts, for the most part, aren’t anything special. Trade “Walking on Air” and “Roulette” for “This Is How We Do” and “Swish Swish” in her singles discography and you can probably say the best songs from each album were released. “Bon Appetit” is at least one of the best songs on that album even if it wasn’t a good single choice. “Hummingbird Heartbeat” is good too, but the Teenage Dream era clearly worked out well enough as it was. I think Legendary Lovers and International Smile are definitely better than Roar and Unconditionally. I would rather listen to both of those songs than “Roar”, but I don’t think there’s anything remarkable about them.
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 30, 2019 7:36:11 GMT -5
POP: 22 25 ZEDD & KATY PERRY 365 3238 3217 21 9.748
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HOT AC: 28 30 ZEDD & KATY PERRY 365 577 557 20 1.418
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 31, 2019 6:03:21 GMT -5
Damnit. POP:22 25 ZEDD & KATY PERRY 365 3203 3245 -42 9.625 -35 Spins -63 Bullet -0.123 Audience HOT AC:28 30 ZEDD & KATY PERRY 365 564 565 -1 1.470 -13 Spins -21 Bullet +0.052 Audience
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 20:16:28 GMT -5
You had a good start up 365, but ya fell flat on ur ass into disaster at the end Not a big surprise
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 1, 2019 8:09:16 GMT -5
Yeah, no. I am not doing a whole week of this.
POP: 22 23 ZEDD & KATY PERRY 365 3141 3277 -136 9.411
-62 Spins -94 Bullet -0.214 Audience
HOT AC: 28 29 ZEDD & KATY PERRY 365 564 586 -22 1.571
= Spins -21 Bullet +0.101 Audience
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