Billboard Hot 100: 10/06/18

[gabe]

Will Killshot hold up? Will I Love It rise? Only time will tell! 

[marc980]

Also do you think Lucid Dreams can reach a new peak or at least reach its previous peak? Since everyting is falling, and LD is kinda stable...

[websites]

Sept 24, 2018 23:09:37 GMT -5 marc980 said:

Also do you think Lucid Dreams can reach a new peak or at least reach its previous peak? Since everyting is falling, and LD is kinda stable...

it probably cant reach its peak since the streaming numbers were one of the biggest of this year and it nearly got #1 purely off of streaming. but it can peak in terms of actual chart position, possibly can reach #2 next week. and maybe even if it can gain in radio very quickly while girls like you starts falling it can get #1? probably not but who knows lol.

[Enigma.]

Sept 24, 2018 18:41:04 GMT -5 gabe said:

Will Killshot hold up? Will I Love It rise? Only time will tell! 

We don't need "time" to tell that: it's down to only 4m views WW on Youtube, out of top 20 on Spotify in the US and #19 on Apple Music. It's gonna drop way below top ten.

The best department at the moment is sales, maybe surprisingly.

[noober]

Perfect #17 now on itunes

Crazy!

[ur local neighborhood dbender]

Sept 25, 2018 3:28:29 GMT -5 noober said:

Perfect #17 now on itunes

Crazy!

Get this outta here.

[Future Captain]

How the hell is Perfect still hanging on. I swear to god if I still see it next week I'm going to cut a bitch. Let go already, ffs.

[lazer]

Sept 25, 2018 3:28:29 GMT -5 noober said:

Perfect #17 now on itunes

Crazy!

Ugh, why do people still hold on to that song. Oh well, Itunes is becoming more and more irrelevant as time goes by.

[Golden Bluebird]

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*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 2018/09/25
1. (=) MAROON 5 - Girls Like You f/Cardi B (168.199) (+0.284)
2. (=) POST MALONE - Better Now (140.868) (-0.786)
3. (=) KHALID X NORMANI - Love Lies (118.255) (-0.881)
4. (=) CARDI B/BAD BUNNY/J BALVIN - I Like It (114.118) (-2.251)
5. (+1) 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER - Youngblood (108.805) (+1.686)
6. (-1) SELENA GOMEZ - Back To You (108.222) (+0.935)
7. (+1) TAYLOR SWIFT - Delicate (89.759) (+0.326)
8. (-1) DRAKE - In My Feelings (87.914) (-3.966)
9. (=) DJ KHALED/BIEBER/CHANCE/QUAVO - No Brainer (82.346) (+1.082)
10. (=) JUICE WRLD - Lucid Dreams (77.055) (+1.030) ***
11. (=) ARIANA GRANDE - God Is A Woman (71.093) (+0.792)
12. (=) LAUV - I Like Me Better (69.575) (+0.288)
13. (+2) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Natural (68.364) (+1.022)
14. (-1) ARIANA GRANDE - No Tears Left to Cry (67.709) (-1.221)
15. (-1) ZEDD/MAREN MORRIS/GREY - The Middle (67.316) (-0.910)
16. (=) OLD DOMINION - Hotel Key (64.322) (+0.233)
17. (+1) TYGA - Taste f/Offset (61.983) (-0.411)
18. (-1) ELLA MAI - Boo'd Up (61.698) (-0.960)
19. (=) LOVELYTHEBAND - Broken (61.447) (+0.586)
20. (=) BEBE REXHA - Meant To Be f/F.G.L. (58.969) (-0.559)

Others:
21. (+1) RUSSELL DICKERSON - Blue Tacoma (57.831) (+0.814)
26. (+1) FLORIDA GEORGIA LINE - Simple (51.190) (+0.569)
31. (+5) TRAVIS SCOTT - Sicko Mode (44.750) (+1.248)
32. (+5) LIL DUVAL - Smile B*tch f/Snoop & B.Greezy (44.561) (+1.115)
41. (+1) LUKE COMBS - She Got The Best Of Me (41.303) (+1.111)
48. (+1) MARSHMELLO - Happier f/Bastille (35.718) (+0.670)
50. (+5) BEBE REXHA - I'm A Mess (33.686) (+0.740)
51. (+3) MAREN MORRIS - Rich (33.681) (+0.732)
57. (+2) ELLA MAI - Trip (32.097) (+0.834)
62. (+1) TIESTO & DZEKO - Jackie Chan f/Preme/PostMalone (30.377) (+0.638)
66. (+1) CARDI B - Ring (29.037) (+0.587)
73. (=) NF - Lie (27.420) (+0.705)

[lazer]

Does anyone think I Love It will go #1 after GLY? Even if it did, it won't last very long on top.

[Deleted]

Sept 25, 2018 8:21:47 GMT -5 lazer said:

Sept 25, 2018 3:28:29 GMT -5 noober said:

Perfect #17 now on itunes

Crazy!

Ugh, why do people still hold on to that song. Oh well, Itunes is becoming more and more irrelevant as time goes by.

Considering how AC radio continues to play "old" songs like this in heavy rotation, the older demographic who still downloads is bound to keep this alive on iTunes.  But, it should also be said that it's still in the top 50 on both the on-demand and regular streaming charts.

[bbfan97]

I have a feeling God's Plan is going to drop out before Perfect does, resulting in Perfect being #1 Year-End :(

[Choco]

Y'all put too much weight on those year end charts. Was Love Yourself really the biggest song from that year? Maybe chartwise but I'd say others made a much bigger cultural impact. Even the Bieber stans will tell you that Sorry is bigger among all Bieber releases. LY was #1 because radio latched on to it for eternity (which ended up killing his album era).

The biggest song this year by cultural impact is probably gonna end up being In My Feelings due to the challenge, just like Despacito was because of it being a massive hit in spite of being mostly in Spanish. Perfect is also gonna be remembered though because it's gonna be played for eternity on weddings.

[DJ General]

Perfect is rising again because one of the artists covered it in the season finale of America's Got Talent

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Sept 25, 2018 12:25:50 GMT -5 Choco said:

Y'all put too much weight on those year end charts. Was Love Yourself really the biggest song from that year? Maybe chartwise but I'd say others made a much bigger cultural impact. Even the Bieber stans will tell you that Sorry is bigger among all Bieber releases. LY was #1 because radio latched on to it for eternity (which ended up killing his album era).

The biggest song this year by cultural impact is probably gonna end up being In My Feelings due to the challenge, just like Despacito was because of it being a massive hit in spite of being mostly in Spanish. Perfect is also gonna be remembered though because it's gonna be played for eternity on weddings.

Havana is gonna be remembered also. 

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Sept 25, 2018 12:25:50 GMT -5 Choco said:

Y'all put too much weight on those year end charts. Was Love Yourself really the biggest song from that year? Maybe chartwise but I'd say others made a much bigger cultural impact. Even the Bieber stans will tell you that Sorry is bigger among all Bieber releases. LY was #1 because radio latched on to it for eternity (which ended up killing his album era).

The biggest song this year by cultural impact is probably gonna end up being In My Feelings due to the challenge, just like Despacito was because of it being a massive hit in spite of being mostly in Spanish. Perfect is also gonna be remembered though because it's gonna be played for eternity on weddings.

I get what you're saying, but the same can be said for any weekly chart as well.  Every chart is based on a tracking period, be it a week or a year.  It's whatever has the most points in that specific time frame only.  So yeah, like you said, "maybe chartwise"... but that's the whole point of following the charts, you know? Cultural impact is impossible to measure, really, so that's really what the charts are trying their best to reflect.  There's always more context which is impossible to include in literally any chart ranking... and the impact (present or lasting) something has on us as individuals varies greatly.  The charts are meant to be a reflection of what is impactful to a majority during any given tracking period.  What will be remembered is a common topic in these threads, but it's highly subjective and our own experience informs/shapes our opinions.

The Year End charts may not be an accurate representation because of how many songs don't chart neatly within any given year - nothing is ever perfect, even weekly point fornulas change fairly regularly. There are always asterisks depending on how closely we care to look.  But YE charts are still a point of reference for future generations to look back on to see what were the biggest songs of any given year, so I can understand the attention that is paid to them by some chart followers.  Just like when we look back on weekly charts from last year and 20 years ago to see which songs were on top.  Were they really the most popular and/or impactful that week?  We can all have our own feelings and opinions on that, but these charts are all we and future generations have to reference as the years go by. 

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^So cultural impact = YT Music videos views + memes, it seems ...

[iHype.]

The year-end charts have beyond irked me, SPECIFICALLY the albums one. I prefer to use the Year-To-Date list published by Nielsen.

Billboard's 'Billboard Year' simply does not make sense in 2018, and is deception.

It made sense to have the chart year end in November pre-internet as they needed weeks to crunch the numbers to have them ready for magazines by end of December. However they now have technology that could probably combine all charts numbers for the past year in a matter of minutes.

Billboard's chart year specifically put songs/albums under incorrect years.

The worst example is Adele's 25, not making 2015 year-end, but being #1 on 2016 year-end. They included it's 8 million units from Q4 2015 under 2016.

I mean really... an album does 8 million in 2015, but doesn't appear on the 2015 year-end?

Pushing the 8 million units it did in 2015 onto 2016, then caused Drake's Views to be #2 for 2016... even though it did almost DOUBLE the #2 album in the actual 2016 year.


Billboard Year-End:
2014 - Frozen Soundtrack
2015 - 1989
2016 - 25
2017 - DAMN.
2018 - Reputation

In actual reality, the albums that moved the most within the ACTUAL year:
2014 - 1989
2015 - 25
2016 - Views
2017 - Divide
2018 - Scorpion

It's literally produced a different year-end #1 for the past 5 years straight. It gives an inaccurate ranking of what was actually popular WITHIN the actual year, in my opinion.

How can album move 8 million in 2015, but not make the 2015 year-end?
How can album do 3 million in 2018 (Scorpion) versus another under 1 million (Reputation), but the latter get rewarded the #1 ranking of 2018 due to 2017 numbers?

Reputation was not the most popular album in 2018. DAMN. was not the most popular album in 2017. 25 was not the most popular album in 2016. And so forth.

It's an amateur mess.

[Bwol]

Lol I’m just happy rep gets the spot^ but I agree it is a mess

[thegreatdivine]

Sept 25, 2018 13:42:16 GMT -5 iHype. said:

The year-end charts have beyond irked me, SPECIFICALLY the albums one. I prefer to use the Year-To-Date list published by Nielsen.

Billboard's 'Billboard Year' simply does not make sense in 2018, and is deception.

It made sense to have the chart year end in November pre-internet as they needed weeks to crunch the numbers to have them ready for magazines by end of December. However they now have technology that could probably combine all charts numbers for the past year in a matter of minutes.

Billboard's chart year specifically put songs/albums under incorrect years.

The worst example is Adele's 25, not making 2015 year-end, but being #1 on 2016 year-end. They included it's 8 million units from Q4 2015 under 2016.

I mean really... an album does 8 million in 2015, but doesn't appear on the 2015 year-end?

Pushing the 8 million units it did in 2015 onto 2016, then caused Drake's Views to be #2 for 2016... even though it did almost DOUBLE the #2 album in the actual 2016 year.


Billboard Year-End:
2014 - Frozen Soundtrack
2015 - 1989
2016 - 25
2017 - DAMN.
2018 - Reputation

In actual reality, the albums that moved the most within the ACTUAL year:
2014 - 1989
2015 - 25
2016 - Views
2017 - Divide
2018 - Scorpion

It's literally produced a different year-end #1 for the past 5 years straight. It gives an inaccurate ranking of what was actually popular WITHIN the actual year, in my opinion.

How can album move 8 million in 2015, but not make the 2015 year-end?
How can album do 3 million in 2018 (Scorpion) versus another under 1 million (Reputation), but the latter get rewarded the #1 ranking of 2018 due to 2017 numbers?

Reputation was not the most popular album in 2018. DAMN. was not the most popular album in 2017. 25 was not the most popular album in 2016. And so forth.

It's an amateur mess.

Billboard's got a lot of work to do.

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Sept 25, 2018 13:42:16 GMT -5 iHype. said:

The year-end charts have beyond irked me, SPECIFICALLY the albums one. I prefer to use the Year-To-Date list published by Nielsen.

Billboard's 'Billboard Year' simply does not make sense in 2018, and is deception.
    

Yeah, that's a whole other thing - the Billboard chart year vs. the actual year.  They have their reasons as a business and as an industry tool to do it the way they do it, even if it isn't necessary anymore given our technology, etc.  The Nielsen chart is good for the yearly data... Billboard has never aligned with that.  Is it deceptive?  Not in my opinion, because their tracking period is included in the data.  Just like the Grammy Awards (or any, really) have their own eligibility period that is far from a neat and tidy calendar year...  again, for business and other logistical reasons.  The "album of the year (insert year)" is often from the prior year, etc.  

So we're back to how it's all about a specific tracking period.  Context.  As chart watchers, we're paying attention and take issue with certain things.  But as a general point of reference, it is what it is - I feel.

[kcdawg13]

Killshot is gonna drop like a rock, but fortunately Lucky You is still doing well so Eminem won't entirely disappear from the Hot 100.

[iHype.]

Sept 25, 2018 14:02:36 GMT -5 @mello said:

Sept 25, 2018 13:42:16 GMT -5 iHype. said:

The year-end charts have beyond irked me, SPECIFICALLY the albums one. I prefer to use the Year-To-Date list published by Nielsen.

Billboard's 'Billboard Year' simply does not make sense in 2018, and is deception.
    

Yeah, that's a whole other thing - the Billboard chart year vs. the actual year.  They have their reasons as a business and as an industry tool to do it the way they do it, even if it isn't necessary anymore given our technology, etc.  The Nielsen chart is good for the yearly data... Billboard has never aligned with that.  Is it deceptive?  Not in my opinion, because their tracking period is included in the data.  Just like the Grammy Awards (or any, really) have their own eligibility period that is far from a neat and tidy calendar year...  again, for business and other logistical reasons.  The "album of the year (insert year)" is often from the prior year, etc.  

So we're back to how it's all about a specific tracking period.  Context.  As chart watchers, we're paying attention and take issue with certain things.  But as a general point of reference, it is what it is - I feel.

I definitely agree with your points, however to me it's deceptive in that Billboard knows the Year-Ends for most are end-all be-all of what was the biggest of a respective year. And with the album year-ends for awhile... its simply not the case.

2015:
25 - 8,008,000 equivalent units
1989 - 3,105,000 equivalent units

Yet the 2015 year-end alludes to 1989 being the biggest album of the year. 25 outdid it in a matter of one week, set all-time records, and had one of the biggest releases ever in 2015. For historical purposes, not incuding 25 as 2015's top album is just inaccurate imo.

2016:
Views - 4,140,000 equivalent units
25 - 2,369,000 equivalent units

Same case with 2016. Views by far was the biggest album 2016, yet ranked #2 due to 2015 sales of another album. If we're making a chart to show the biggest albums of 2016, why would 2015 activity place an album at #1?

It's just a huge eye-roll. Billboard's Year is the equivalent of an electoral college. Nielsen's Year is the equivalent of popular vote.

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Sept 25, 2018 14:16:38 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Sept 25, 2018 14:02:36 GMT -5 @mello said:

Yeah, that's a whole other thing - the Billboard chart year vs. the actual year.  They have their reasons as a business and as an industry tool to do it the way they do it, even if it isn't necessary anymore given our technology, etc.  The Nielsen chart is good for the yearly data... Billboard has never aligned with that.  Is it deceptive?  Not in my opinion, because their tracking period is included in the data.  Just like the Grammy Awards (or any, really) have their own eligibility period that is far from a neat and tidy calendar year...  again, for business and other logistical reasons.  The "album of the year (insert year)" is often from the prior year, etc.  

So we're back to how it's all about a specific tracking period.  Context.  As chart watchers, we're paying attention and take issue with certain things.  But as a general point of reference, it is what it is - I feel.

I definitely agree with your points, however to me it's deceptive in that Billboard knows the Year-Ends for most are end-all be-all of what was the biggest of a respective year. And with the album year-ends for awhile... its simply not the case.

I totally get it and I don't disagree with the things you're pointing out from the point of view you're speaking from.  But as a business, they exist on their own terms for their own long-running reasons in the industry.  And I don't think one of those reasons is to purposely deceive.  They're an industry-approved tool/publication, first and foremost.  It's all in the name of profit and the industry -which is why they changed their eligibility period for their televised "of the year" awards - which are totally different from their published year end charts. It's another opportunity for them to work as a tool, even if it seems messy to us to have two different yearly awards from the same publication.

It's clear that there isn't any real need/desire to have everything neat and clean from a calendar year perspective, most likely because it benefits them and the industry to have their name attached to more than one samey and calendar-year-perfect "of the year" chart.  By spreading it out and having it vary from Nielsen and even from themselves, it presents more opportunities to make money for everyone involved, including the artists.

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Sept 25, 2018 6:53:00 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

How the hell is Perfect still hanging on. I swear to god if I still see it next week I'm going to cut a bitch. Let go already, ffs.

ya' know... i heard there's a thing called payola

[amore]

Sept 25, 2018 14:45:27 GMT -5 @jadenlefranks said:

Sept 25, 2018 6:53:00 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

How the hell is Perfect still hanging on. I swear to god if I still see it next week I'm going to cut a bitch. Let go already, ffs.

ya' know... i heard there's a thing called payola

If y'all don't let this payola ish go. It is hanging on because it is a timeless song. Everytime a song achieves longevity there is always a bitter stan crying "pAyOLa!!!!"

[Deleted]

While "payola" may exist, it's not something typically used on a song that has long since peaked on the charts. Year-long longevity Payola isn't really a thing. Songs like Perfect aren't all that uncommon - huge hits that AC radio embraces later than most formats, and then play them in heavy rotation FOREVER. It has nothing to do with anything nefarious.

People are still into Perfect - this is evident from its continued streaming and sales alone.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

simm

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Lucid Dreams #1 ?? Noooo! That would be too much. Please Post, release that video.

[amore]

Sept 25, 2018 14:53:07 GMT -5 @mello said:

While "payola" may exist, it's not something typically used on a song that has long since peaked on the charts. Year-long longevity Payola isn't really a thing. Songs like Perfect aren't all that uncommon - huge hits that AC radio embraces later than most formats, and then play them in heavy rotation FOREVER. It has nothing to do with anything nefarious.

People are still into Perfect - this is evident from its continued streaming and sales alone.

Exactly!!! Why use Payola on a song that peaked 6 months ago.