Billboard Hot 100: 10/13/18

[Choco]

Oct 5, 2018 10:44:52 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

-Lil Baby & Gunna are "huge" (currently struggling top reach top 20 on Hot 100 but whatever is huge these days)

I read that and I was like "who?". These rap acts come and go. Even someone like Lil Uzi Vert with a legitimately huge hit is at most earning minor genre hits these days. I think JUICE WRLD is a likely candidate to join that list as well.

[jtd Thee Stallion]

I honestly believe it’s Lucid Dreams vs Mona Lisa for #1 this week (with Lucid Dreams having the advantage) those radio gains are stunning.

[jtd Thee Stallion]

Oct 5, 2018 10:44:52 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

These chart threads never disappoint! Things about to happen according to this thread:

-Lil Wayne's Uproar will be #1
-Drake has a new song out sooner than you can blink your eye
-Lil Baby & Gunna are "huge" (currently struggling top reach top 20 on Hot 100 but whatever is huge these days)

I mean they weren’t wrong about the second one... he has a co-lead credit on the Lil Baby & Gunna song.

[thegreatdivine]

Oct 5, 2018 8:03:46 GMT -5 kanfad said:

Oct 5, 2018 6:44:11 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

AOTD:

Drake, Taylor, Adele or Rihanna.

HOT 100 AOTD:

Rihanna or Drake.

Hot 100 Airplay AOTD:

Rihanna.

BB200 AOTD:

Taylor or Adele.

Drake will have the most Male Decade-End awards and Rihanna will have the most among Females.

Either way, I think all of the above are the essential top 4.

I really hope the rumours about Rih dropping two separate albums are true. According to chartdata, she's not even in the top 20 of the biggest billboard 200 artists since 2015. And I'm not so sure she faired better in the first half of the decade

If she does release two albums, I hope she does it the way Drake did his: release it as a double album in one go and not release one now and then another one in a couple of months like Justin Timberlake did in 2013. But then again, you never know, that might be the strategy that works for her. Not many people can release a double album that has both albums (or "sides" in Drake's case) that each pull legit hits and carry themselves). We'll see. I'm just excited for new Rihanna music. I wanna see what she comes up with.

[thegreatdivine]

Oct 5, 2018 10:59:15 GMT -5 jtd Thee Stallion said:

I honestly believe it’s Lucid Dreams vs Mona Lisa for #1 this week (with Lucid Dreams having the advantage) those radio gains are stunning.

I think it'll be close, but GLY will remain at #1. Lucid Dreams will remain at #2 and Mona Lisa will debut at #3. Lucid Dreams easily slides into the #1 spot in the upper week's chart and GLY starts to see considerable decreases in radio audience impressions. I'm hoping the .Paak and Kendrick song debuts high and the Lil Baby/Gunna/Drake song has enough steam to land a top 10 debut.

[thegreatdivine]

So, I said earlier in the thread that I hadn't seen the Uproar challenge take off and maybe that was because Wayne's album had just dropped, but yeah... I don't see this taking off. At least, not anywhere close to how the In My Feelings challenge took off and greatly impacted the performance of the song. Uproar (the song) hasn't seen any considerable increases in streams or digital sales since the album dropped and none of the songs off the album are taking off on radio already. I think Lil Wayne will have an album bomb, while the songs that debuted high will slowly descend down the charts.

[kanfad]

Not exactly chart related but sometimes I wonder about the pure sales purists we have today in the streaming era. Right now I simply cant imagine us going further beyond streaming but in 15 years when streaming becomes old news, I do hope to have the open mindedness to not belittle the next form of music consumption or feel like because it makes access to music easier(like technology is supposed to), it's automatically inferior and/or devalues the music.

Also hoping that streaming payouts improve to respectable levels and what comes after streaming is a vast improvement on that

[thegreatdivine]

Oct 5, 2018 11:59:48 GMT -5 kanfad said:

Not exactly chart related but sometimes I wonder about the pure sales purists we have today in the streaming era. Right now I simply cant imagine us going further beyond streaming but in 15 years when streaming becomes old news, I do hope to have the open mindedness to not belittle the next form of music consumption or feel like because it makes access to music easier(like technology is supposed to), it's automatically inferior and/or devalues the music.

Also hoping that streaming payouts improve to respectable levels and what comes after streaming is a vast improvement on that

I feel like the payouts will definitely increase. There's been a noted increase in artist royalties from last year till this year and there are artists and groups fighting everyday for more artists to make more money off their art and not just through touring and merch sales. Might not happen overnight, but I believe they'll get there. The future of music is real exciting for sure. So many possibilities and I can see streaming continuing to grow for the next 3-5 years, if not longer. As hard as it's been to watch pure sales die out, I'm glad streaming has been established enough to keep things moving.

[ddlz]

Look at this lazy mother****** delivering this foolery for one of his best songs. What a disgrace.

[Gary]

Does Juice WRLD's 'Lucid Dreams' Success Show a Growing Common Ground Between Hip-Hop Streaming and Pop Radio?
10/5/2018 by Andrew Unterberger


Like many other young rappers experiencing tremendous success in 2018, Juice WRLD found early acceptance posting his songs to SoundCloud. Since first debuting on the service in 2015, he's gained enough fans and followers to cross over to the larger streaming world (including Spotify, where his "Lucid Dreams" currently has 445 million plays), and even to scale the Billboard Hot 100, where "Dreams" currently sits at a new peak of No. 2 (on the chart dated Oct. 6).

But the runner-up placement for Juice WRLD's breakthrough hit comes in part due to the song finding itself someplace few other rappers with career arcs like his have: mainstream radio. After hitting the top 10 of Billboard's Radio Songs chart for the first time last week, "Lucid Dreams" moves up to No. 9 this week, above the most recent hits by proven radio favorites Ariana Grande ("God Is a Woman") and Imagine Dragons ("Natural"). Even more striking is which radio format is powering its run up the chart -- while "Lucid Dreams" sits at No. 13 on this week's R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay chart, it moves into the top ten this week on Pop Songs, a higher peak than it's yet achieved on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay.


This is more unusual than you might realize. While SoundCloud-reared MCs have scored their fair share of major hits on the Hot 100 -- XXXTentacion's "Sad!," 6ix9ine's "FEFE," Lil Uzi Vert's "XO Tour Llif3" and Lil Pump's "Gucci Gang," just to name a handful which have reached the chart's top ten -- their success has been heavily driven by streaming, with sales and radio rarely making a huge impact. Of the four artists just mentioned, the Radio Songs chart has been grazed only by Uzi ("XO Tour Llif3," No. 30 peak) and Pump ("Gucci Gang," No. 49) as lead artists, and only Uzi has appeared on Pop Songs, as a guest on Migos' "Bad and Boujee" (No. 31). Hitting the top 10 of both charts is fairly unprecedented for such a rapper.

Yet it's radio that's helping propel "Lucid Dreams" to new heights in its 20th week on the Hot 100, continuing to grow the song's profile as it also remains a fixture on Billboard's Streaming Songs chart (where it returns to the apex this week for a second frame). The song's success may represent a rare midpoint in the Venn diagram between top 40 radio and SoundCloud rap, and perhaps a suggestion of how the two worlds can compromise to better work in tandem.

Why was "Lucid Dreams" the song to make the leap, though? Well, it helps that the song is fundamentally rooted in a more crossover-familiar brand of pop/rock, particularly via its core sample of Sting's 1993 single "Shape of My Heart." Not that Sting is anything like a core artist for top 40 radio in 2018 -- even in '93, the song failed to reach the Billboard Hot 100 -- but the sample still gives the song cross-genre appeal, while also establishing it in an impressively rich legacy of other popular songs that have deployed the melancholy guitar hook, including singles by Nas ("The Message") Carl Thomas ("Emotional") and Craig David ("Rise and Fall").


And it also helps a great deal that the song is, essentially, PG-rated. There's no censor-baiting language in the song, and though it at least alludes to heavy subjects like depression and suicide, it doesn't talk about them as explicitly or disturbingly as songs like "Sad!" or "XO Tour Llif3," instead coming from pop and rock's long-established tradition of mopey teen heartbreak ("You were my everything/ Thoughts of a wedding ring/ Now I'm just better off dead"). It's also probably worth noting that while rap peers like 6ix9ine and XXXTentacion have been accused of real-life incidents of violence and misconduct that make their often-aggressive lyrics unpalatable for many, there's no such controversies surrounding Juice WRLD to compound the light misogyny of "Lucid Dreams" ("Who knew evil girls have the prettiest face?") into something more problematic.

Perhaps most importantly, "Lucid Dreams" is just a highly effective pop song -- one that makes particular sense for 2018, but at its core could work in any era. It hits you with its massive, relentless, insidious chorus right away, and repeats instantly -- then holds off on repeating again until near the song's end, keeping you waiting for it through verses that are just as melodic and nearly as catchy. The beat is booming but lush, the production accessible but dreamlike, and the lyrics unquestionably sad, but never quite upsetting. It's part of the same universe of drug-addled anthems of angst and heartbreak that helped make Lil Uzi Vert and XXXTentacion defining artists for this generation, but a little bit cleaner, a little bit brighter, a little less dangerous -- generally, a little more radio-friendly.

Does the radio success of "Lucid Dreams" portend an entire top 40 invasion from the SoundCloud set, or will it go down as a crossover fluke? Time will tell, but from the overall success "Dreams' is experiencing, it's clear that finding that sweet spot between the listener bases for pop radio and hip-hop streaming is highly beneficial to all involved.

"We think they're both really symbiotic and work together," Tom Poleman, chief programming officer for iHeartMedia tells Billboard of the relationship between the radio and streaming spheres. "Juice WRLD, for example -- there was a great early indicator that we [at radio] needed to pay attention to what was happening in the streaming world [with that song]. And then when you add on the massive audience of radio, then it feeds it back to streaming. And it just continues to get bigger and bigger."

[Harx]

Oct 5, 2018 13:21:44 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Look at this lazy mother****** delivering this foolery for one of his best songs. What a disgrace.

half-ass is better than no ass at all.

[Keelzit]

Oct 5, 2018 13:21:44 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Look at this lazy mother****** delivering this foolery for one of his best songs. What a disgrace.

[thegreatdivine]

It's too late for Post Malone at this point. Him/his team really played themselves waiting this long to release a video for Better Now.

[CF15]

Is that really the music video? There weren't any teasers or promotion or anything, and that was all we got. Well, I guess "Better Now" isn't getting to #1.

[Deleted]

So, "Drip Too Hard" now has a music video, and Lil Baby's + Gunna collab album featuring it is out. Hoping it can crack the Top 15, Top 10 too at a stretch / depending how well it does

[amore]

Oct 5, 2018 8:22:27 GMT -5 owenlovesmusic said:

Oct 5, 2018 1:33:47 GMT -5 Codex said:

The current #1 is soccer mom pop by a Hot AC artist who hasn’t had a #1 since 2012. Imagine Dragons has a realistic shot in the next few years.

Featuring one of the biggest rappers out right now. Could you see Inage Dragons getting a #1 single by putting a popular rapper on it?

It's crazy because Radioactive feels like a #1.

[marc980]

Trench is a very strong album, probably the best thing 21P has done. It isn't so radio-friendly like Blurryface, but I can see some songs being successful at radio like My Blood, The Hype, Morph and Cut My Lip.

With the video and the song being sent to radio, do you think My Blood has a chance to enter the Hot 100?

[lazer]

Oct 5, 2018 15:33:58 GMT -5 marc980 said:

Trench is a very strong album, probably the best thing 21P has done. It isn't so radio-friendly like Blurryface, but I can see some songs being successful at radio. The Hype, Morph and Cut My Lip would be my picks for singles.

With the video and the song being sent to radio, do you think My Blood has a chance to enter on Hot 100?

My Blood is probably the most radio friendly single from Trench imo. I think this could enter the Hot 100. I hope 21P can at least have more hits.

[ur local neighborhood dbender]

Hey y'all wanted a video you didn't specify :sip2:

[amore]

Who knows this could make Better now go to #1.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Oct 5, 2018 15:50:54 GMT -5 ur local neighborhood dbender said:

Hey y'all wanted a video you didn't specify

[thegreatdivine]

Here we go.

[owenlovesmusic]

Ik that this doesn’t matter at all but 6ix9ine’s “STOOPID” is at #6 on US iTunes.

[𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿]

At this point, I think Better Now doesn't have a chance now to be #1. But maybe, it can sneak in like a week or two.

[websites]

Oct 5, 2018 18:52:17 GMT -5 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 said:

At this point, I think Better Now doesn't have a chance now to be #1. But maybe, it can sneak in like a week or two.

lucid dreams is stronger than better now and the gap is only getting bigger, i see no possibility of that happening

[Deleted]

Oct 5, 2018 13:21:44 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Look at this lazy mother****** delivering this foolery for one of his best songs. What a disgrace.

It literally one of the most basic songs ever made how is this one of his best 

[Au$tin]

Oct 5, 2018 19:14:10 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

Oct 5, 2018 13:21:44 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Look at this lazy mother****** delivering this foolery for one of his best songs. What a disgrace.

It literally one of the most basic songs ever made how is this one of his best 

People like mediocrity.

As a Drake stan, I thought you would have known this already. :kii:

[livelightning]

Oct 5, 2018 19:14:10 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

Oct 5, 2018 13:21:44 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Look at this lazy mother****** delivering this foolery for one of his best songs. What a disgrace.

It literally one of the most basic songs ever made how is this one of his best 

The song just sounds good though. I always enjoy listening to it.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^I also do enjoy the song and find it to be the best from the album along with Psycho. Just over 400k views might not even result in a new peak for it.

[woods]

How embarrassing.