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Post by marc980 on Nov 26, 2018 19:24:51 GMT -5
I hope Close To Me has debuted. That song is a BOP.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 26, 2018 20:04:03 GMT -5
kingvavis- do you mean the literal way they did it? If so: (and if not, pardon the explanation hehe)
Radio stations would submit their ranked playlists, with singles receiving a set/assigned number of points for their ranks. Same for sales- stores would submit ranked charts of their best sellers and the single would receive a set number of points based on their ranks. Billboard then added all the points together and, thus, ranked the singles based on those points. Billboard's never discussed what those assigned number of points were.
It was possible that the No. 1 single in airplay had less spins than No, 2, 3, etc.- same goes for sales. The No. 1 sales single could have sold less than No. 2, 3, etc.
Keep in mind that Billboard started using BDS/SoundScan for the Hot 100, some smaller-market radio-station playlists still contributed to the Hot 100 (using the former methodology), and often helped make the difference when points were close. That number of stations declined throughout the 1990s, until it was a handful or two left by 2000.
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Post by Exclusive on Nov 26, 2018 20:11:16 GMT -5
I hope Taki Taki can recover
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 20:29:48 GMT -5
According to Gary Trust, Camila Cabello's "Consequences" has hit a new peak, going up from 83 to 82. Riveting. Queen of pop |
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Post by kingvavis on Nov 26, 2018 20:44:18 GMT -5
kingvavis- do you mean the literal way they did it? If so: (and if not, pardon the explanation hehe) Radio stations would submit their ranked playlists, with singles receiving a set/assigned number of points for their ranks. Same for sales- stores would submit ranked charts of their best sellers and the single would receive a set number of points based on their ranks. Billboard then added all the points together and, thus, ranked the singles based on those points. Billboard's never discussed what those assigned number of points were. It was possible that the No. 1 single in airplay had less spins than No, 2, 3, etc.- same goes for sales. The No. 1 sales single could have sold less than No. 2, 3, etc. Keep in mind that Billboard started using BDS/SoundScan for the Hot 100, some smaller-market radio-station playlists still contributed to the Hot 100 (using the former methodology), and often helped make the difference when points were close. That number of stations declined throughout the 1990s, until it was a handful or two left by 2000. Thank you for the explanation, it's a part of Billboard history that has always made me curious. I would also like to ask if there are podcast or documentaries detailing the evolution of the Billboard charts and modern pop music |
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Post by WILL on Nov 26, 2018 20:52:37 GMT -5
All I Want For Christmas is You re-entered at #29
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Post by iHype. on Nov 26, 2018 20:53:24 GMT -5
How can you manipulate it? People actually have to listen to the song to count as a stream. Yes. I could put my phone on silent and play the song 200 times in a day, throw it on my laptop and tablet and you have almost 1k daily streams. Sure people don't do that but it can be done. They obviously have stuff in place to prevent those streams from being counted. You think Spotify and Nielsen see an account listen to a song 230 times in one day straight with no break and go 'oh. totally realistic'? And I'm sure with Spotify/Apple Music/etc they actually want to filter out fake streams, since that would cost them money, as they have to pay rightsholders per stream. |
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Post by garrettlen on Nov 26, 2018 20:57:42 GMT -5
kingvavis- do you mean the literal way they did it? If so: (and if not, pardon the explanation hehe) Radio stations would submit their ranked playlists, with singles receiving a set/assigned number of points for their ranks. Same for sales- stores would submit ranked charts of their best sellers and the single would receive a set number of points based on their ranks. Billboard then added all the points together and, thus, ranked the singles based on those points. Billboard's never discussed what those assigned number of points were. It was possible that the No. 1 single in airplay had less spins than No, 2, 3, etc.- same goes for sales. The No. 1 sales single could have sold less than No. 2, 3, etc. Keep in mind that Billboard started using BDS/SoundScan for the Hot 100, some smaller-market radio-station playlists still contributed to the Hot 100 (using the former methodology), and often helped make the difference when points were close. That number of stations declined throughout the 1990s, until it was a handful or two left by 2000. Thank you for the explanation, it's a part of Billboard history that has always made me curious. I would also like to ask if there are podcast or documentaries detailing the evolution of the Billboard charts and modern pop music It's a BIG part of Billboard history. That way of calculating the charts was basically the way it was done from August 1958 (Billboard Hot 100 inception) through November 1991 (when Soundscan and BDS monitoring took over). |
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Post by iHype. on Nov 26, 2018 21:05:27 GMT -5
kingvavis- do you mean the literal way they did it? If so: (and if not, pardon the explanation hehe) Radio stations would submit their ranked playlists, with singles receiving a set/assigned number of points for their ranks. Same for sales- stores would submit ranked charts of their best sellers and the single would receive a set number of points based on their ranks. Billboard then added all the points together and, thus, ranked the singles based on those points. Billboard's never discussed what those assigned number of points were. It was possible that the No. 1 single in airplay had less spins than No, 2, 3, etc.- same goes for sales. The No. 1 sales single could have sold less than No. 2, 3, etc. Keep in mind that Billboard started using BDS/SoundScan for the Hot 100, some smaller-market radio-station playlists still contributed to the Hot 100 (using the former methodology), and often helped make the difference when points were close. That number of stations declined throughout the 1990s, until it was a handful or two left by 2000. I know the week "Magic Stick" reached #1 on Radio was a notable instance of them using nonmonitored playlists. "Magic Stick" reached #1 on radio by a very small margin, yet "Crazy in Love" was ranked higher on Hot 100 even though they were both airplay-only because "Crazy in Love" had an advantage with nonmonitored playlists on the Hot 100 ranking. |
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on Nov 26, 2018 21:07:36 GMT -5
I hope Close To Me has debuted. That song is a BOP. #98 |
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Post by renfield75 on Nov 26, 2018 21:08:02 GMT -5
Thank you for the explanation, it's a part of Billboard history that has always made me curious. I would also like to ask if there are podcast or documentaries detailing the evolution of the Billboard charts and modern pop music It's a BIG part of Billboard history. That way of calculating the charts was basically the way it was done from August 1958 (Billboard Hot 100 inception) through November 1991 (when Soundscan and BDS monitoring took over). There was that weird aberration in the late 60s/early 70s where airplay only counted for #s 51-100, and the top 50 were solely based on sales. And that odd stretch in the very early 80s where a song wasn't allowed to drop if it was still gaining points, even if the songs below it were gaining and would have jumped over them. It's why you regularly saw songs spending 4-6 weeks at random numbers like 12 or 16 or 24. |
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Post by tanooki on Nov 26, 2018 21:08:29 GMT -5
All I Want For Christmas is You re-entered at #29 Jesus fucking Christ that was not expected |
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Post by Naos on Nov 26, 2018 21:11:20 GMT -5
"Ocean Eyes" debuts at #97 despite being released in November of 2016.
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Post by woods on Nov 26, 2018 21:15:23 GMT -5
"Ocean Eyes" debuts at #97 despite being released in November of 2016. Even crazier, the music video was released in March 2016. A 2 and 2/3 year-old song debuting on the Hot 100.  |
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Post by iHype. on Nov 26, 2018 21:16:15 GMT -5
It's a BIG part of Billboard history. That way of calculating the charts was basically the way it was done from August 1958 (Billboard Hot 100 inception) through November 1991 (when Soundscan and BDS monitoring took over). There was that weird aberration in the late 60s/early 70s where airplay only counted for #s 51-100, and the top 50 were solely based on sales. And that odd stretch in the very early 80s where a song wasn't allowed to drop if it was still gaining points, even if the songs below it were gaining and would have jumped over them. It's why you regularly saw songs spending 4-6 weeks at random numbers like 12 or 16 or 24. I also don't get why never seemed to be instances where a song could be #1 on Sales and like #45 on Airplay, similar to in the Soundscan era. From what I've seen almost every single sales #1 pre-Soundscan was atleast top 5 on airplay, and every #1 on airplay was atleast top 5 on Sales. There wasn't much realistic differences. Everything was always symmetrical. |
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Post by aussie1 on Nov 26, 2018 21:20:21 GMT -5
All I Want For Christmas is You re-entered at #29 Yep, AIWFC is getting a new peak this year for sure. |
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Nov 26, 2018 21:41:36 GMT -5
Where did Sunflower land? thanks Rises 6 spots to #16. |
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Post by velaxti on Nov 26, 2018 21:51:53 GMT -5
"Ocean Eyes" debuts at #97 despite being released in November of 2016. Even crazier, the music video was released in March 2016. A 2 and 2/3 year-old song debuting on the Hot 100. It would probably happen fairly regularly. Usually Billboard put songs that old straight into the recurrent chart. Why have they allowed it this time? For example, I remember there were times where Marry You by Bruno Mars was supposed to re-enter the Hot 100 but they put it straight onto the recurrent chart even though it hadn't spent 20 weeks on the Hot 100 yet. I think they allow "old" songs if they are currently being promoted as a single. Latch by Disclosure was a hit in the US in 2014, but it was first released in 2012. Mo Bamba which is currently in the top 10 was released about 18 months ago! Can't Hold Us by Macklemore was released in 2011, but reached #1 in 2013. |
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Post by Naos on Nov 26, 2018 21:55:58 GMT -5
Even crazier, the music video was released in March 2016. A 2 and 2/3 year-old song debuting on the Hot 100. It would probably happen fairly regularly. Usually Billboard put songs that old straight into the recurrent chart. Why have they allowed it this time? For example, I remember there were times where Marry You by Bruno Mars was supposed to re-enter the Hot 100 but they put it straight onto the recurrent chart even though it hadn't spent 20 weeks on the Hot 100 yet. I think they allow "old" songs if they are currently being promoted as a single. They did the same to "Black Hole Sun" by Soundgarden and "Baby Shark" by Pinkfong, but not "Hallelujah" by Leonard Cohen. |
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Post by thelegends on Nov 26, 2018 21:56:01 GMT -5
Even crazier, the music video was released in March 2016. A 2 and 2/3 year-old song debuting on the Hot 100. It would probably happen fairly regularly. Usually Billboard put songs that old straight into the recurrent chart. Why have they allowed it this time? For example, I remember there were times where Marry You by Bruno Mars was supposed to re-enter the Hot 100 but they put it straight onto the recurrent chart even though it hadn't spent 20 weeks on the Hot 100 yet. I think they allow "old" songs if they are currently being promoted as a single. A song is allowed to chart without going to recurrent if the song was released less than 3 years before it hits the chart. |
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Post by thelegends on Nov 26, 2018 21:56:33 GMT -5
It would probably happen fairly regularly. Usually Billboard put songs that old straight into the recurrent chart. Why have they allowed it this time? For example, I remember there were times where Marry You by Bruno Mars was supposed to re-enter the Hot 100 but they put it straight onto the recurrent chart even though it hadn't spent 20 weeks on the Hot 100 yet. I think they allow "old" songs if they are currently being promoted as a single. They did the same to "Black Hole Sun" by Soundgarden and "Baby Shark" by Pinkfong, but not "Hallelujah" by Leonard Cohen. Hallelujah's case is just weird. |
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Post by braveheart on Nov 26, 2018 21:57:01 GMT -5
City Girls have scored their first Hot 100 Entry as Twerk ft Cardi B has debuted at #92 !! This is the 2nd new artist Cardi has featured on their first Hot 100 Entry. The first being Pardison Fontaine.. I love a queen with IMPACT !
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Post by velaxti on Nov 26, 2018 22:16:15 GMT -5
It would probably happen fairly regularly. Usually Billboard put songs that old straight into the recurrent chart. Why have they allowed it this time? For example, I remember there were times where Marry You by Bruno Mars was supposed to re-enter the Hot 100 but they put it straight onto the recurrent chart even though it hadn't spent 20 weeks on the Hot 100 yet. I think they allow "old" songs if they are currently being promoted as a single. A song is allowed to chart without going to recurrent if the song was released less than 3 years before it hits the chart. OK, I see. I have say, OMI got VERY lucky with Cheerleader! It was originally released in July 2012, and entered the Hot 100 during May 2015! |
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Post by reputainbow on Nov 26, 2018 22:21:24 GMT -5
"all i want for christmas is you" re-entering two weeks earlier than usual is pretty stellar. it's most definitely gonna reach a new peak this christmas.
also ocean eyes charting after over 2 years of its release is pretty amazing as well. doesn't really make sense but i think "when the party's over" is making people check out more of billie's stuff.
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Post by thelegends on Nov 26, 2018 22:21:32 GMT -5
A song is allowed to chart without going to recurrent if the song was released less than 3 years before it hits the chart. OK, I see. I have say, OMI got VERY lucky with Cheerleader! It was originally released in July 2012, and entered the Hot 100 during May 2015! Felix Jaehn's remix (version that charted) was released late 2014 - early 2015. Plus you got me listening to Cheerleader right now! |
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Post by velaxti on Nov 26, 2018 22:31:23 GMT -5
OK, I see. I have say, OMI got VERY lucky with Cheerleader! It was originally released in July 2012, and entered the Hot 100 during May 2015! Felix Jaehn's remix (version that charted) was released late 2014 - early 2015. Plus you got me listening to Cheerleader right now! Do you reckon Billboard count the remix release as "new release"? It was within the 3 years bracket anyway so it didn't matter. But I say that because they usually combine remixes into one song. The most notable recent example I can think of is Summertime Sadness where both the original and the remix were getting significant points (I remember the original going top 20 on iTunes) but they got combined. For example, if Zedd did a remix of Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls, and it got released as a single, would Billboard let it re-enter in the lower part of the Hot 100 or would it go into the recurrent chart until it reached the top 50? I don't know why I'm asking you haha, you probably don't know. I think Billboard probably just decide on a case-by-case basis to be honest. Cheerleader is an okay-ish song, but I never really got the fuss over it. It benefitted a LOT from Spotify playlists. More than probably any other hit this decade I can think of apart from Lean On by Major Lazer. |
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Post by Zach on Nov 26, 2018 22:40:11 GMT -5
A song is allowed to chart without going to recurrent if the song was released less than 3 years before it hits the chart. OK, I see. I have say, OMI got VERY lucky with Cheerleader! It was originally released in July 2012, and entered the Hot 100 during May 2015! Cheerleader was just getting a US push when it started charting. Billboard certainly would've disregarded its original July 2012 release. |
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Post by korbel16 on Nov 26, 2018 22:48:38 GMT -5
OK, I see. I have say, OMI got VERY lucky with Cheerleader! It was originally released in July 2012, and entered the Hot 100 during May 2015! Felix Jaehn's remix (version that charted) was released late 2014 - early 2015. Plus you got me listening to Cheerleader right now! a classic |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 23:26:41 GMT -5
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Post by rimetm on Nov 26, 2018 23:27:56 GMT -5
Full list from ChartData's reveal
01 01 thank u, next
02 02 SICKO MODE
03 03 Happier
04 04 Without Me
05 06 Lucid Dreams
06 08 High Hopes
07 07 Mo Bamba
08 05 Girls Like You
09 10 Drip Too Hard
10 09 ZEZE
11 11 Better Now
12 12 Youngblood
13 14 breathin'
14 17 Wake Up in the Sky
15 18 Trip
16 22 Sunflower
17 21 Eastside
18 19 MIA
19 20 Love Lies
20 13 Natural
21 25 Money
22 15 Taki Taki
23 24 Shallow
24 26 I Like It
25 29 In My Feelings
26 23 God is a woman
27 27 Taste
28 37 Leave Me Alone
29 RE All I Want for Christmas is You
30 32 Beautiful
31 30 Yes Indeed
32 33 Nonstop
33 38 Speechless
34 35 She Got the Best of Me
35 31 broken
36 36 Tequila
37 34 Uproar
38 42 FEFE
39 16 BAD!
40 28 Lose It
41 39 Ring
42 43 Boo'd Up
43 51 Better
44 41 I Like Me Better
45 48 Psycho
46 45 SAD!
47 46 Best Shot
48 50 Lie
49 60 Arms Around You
50 40 Bohemian Rhapsody
51 57 Dangerous
52 59 when the party's over
53 44 Armed and Dangerous
54 53 Lost in Japan
55 54 Drunk Me
56 61 That's on Me
57 58 Close Friends
58 64 You Say
59 47 I'm a Mess
60 62 Smile (Living My Best Life)
61 52 Topanga
62 68 Rich
63 56 10 Freaky Girls
64 65 Fine China
65 74 Backin' it Up
66 69 No Stylist
67 67 Hangin' On
68 55 1400 / 999 Freestyle
69 75 Burning Man
70 70 Never Recover
71 78 Dip
72 80 TAlk tO Me
73 77 This Feeling
74 66 Space Cadet
75 71 I Love I
76 81 Be Alright
77 76 Blue Tacoma
78 63 Don't Come Out the House
79 86 Ella Quiere Beber
80 RE lovely
81 NE Take One
82 83 Consequences
83 84 Best Part
84 72 Falling Down
85 88 STOOPID
86 82 W O R K I N M E
87 91 Sixteen
88 93 Good Girl
89 92 Lucky You
90 95 Last Shot
91 87 Mona Lisa
92 NE Twerk
93 90 Noticed
94 RE Electricity
95 94 Desperate Man
96 96 Millionaire
97 NE Ocean Eyes
98 NE Close to Me
99 NE Girl Like You
100 NE Burn the House Down
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