collinkottke
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Post by collinkottke on Jun 10, 2019 9:13:36 GMT -5
Just for the record Lindsay did have 6 singles before “Criminal” and all were done by Stoney Creek. Now two of them were Canada only singles so “Criminal” was only her 5th single in the U.S. Canada! I knew there was something, but I couldn't remember for the life of me. How I forgot that, I don't know. Thank you!
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 10, 2019 9:34:50 GMT -5
I think we can at least take this away from the discussion...stay away from the Bones guy. He might've been the one who created this controversy around her to get attention and now look.
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Post by travelrocks24 on Jun 10, 2019 9:44:23 GMT -5
Let's address number 2 first, the singles off of her "The Project" album were the first singles off of an actual label, Stoney Creek which is part of Broken Bow Records. So "Waiting On You" was the first single that had a real strong promotional push available to it (correct me if I'm wrong, folks who watch labels and artists closer than I). She's still a new artist and is just starting to take off with fairly big label backing. To the last question of number two (some other hard-working female) there's a whole lot that goes into picking a duet partner someone that sounds good with the artist, plus there's record label politics to deal with as well, for starters. Back to number 1, the fact a woman is getting discriminated against because of who her boyfriend is is sexism, I think. No radio station is going to care who a guy is dating, even if the guy was dating the biggest female DJ in the country genre. It might not be the boldest example of sexism displayed at country radio, but it is sexism nonetheless. Just for the record Lindsay did have 6 singles before “Criminal” and all were done by Stoney Creek. Now two of them were Canada only singles so “Criminal” was only her 5th single in the U.S. Robert Estelle is Bobby Bones’ real name to also clarify things. Lindsay dating him did lead to radio stations not playing her. It’s not actually that big a shock that she got her first top 20 once she left him. Radio and her label seemed to like her well enough. For Wackadoodle : The whole country radio industry is sexist as in the way it functions. There are many many individuals within it that aren’t and in fact I’d guess most aren’t. It’s the system itself, and there hasn’t seemed to be a way to fix it yet. Or nobody who’s in position to fix it is doing so. Also of note, I’d love for the whole thing to be built with songs naturally just catching on but that’s not how it works, and not how it ever worked. Some songs do catch in and grow that can still happen but it’s never been the norm and I doubt ever will be. ETA: oh and having followed Lindsay closely and met her a few times I’d like to defend her as a hard worker. Not to belittle any other artist but you can see the drive she has and it’s one of the strongest I’ve seen. That is why she keeps getting chances because she’s fighting for it. Don’t diminish that please. I have met Lindsay twice, one was for a few seconds, the other, for a few minutes. I have met well over 30 musicians and she was one of the most friendliest ones I have met to this point. She had a guitar battle with one of her band mates at a gig I saw last year and it was entertaining. It is pathetic that radio wouldn't play her because she was dating the "competition". Play the songs, get listener feedback and proceed from there. That goes for all artists. It is amazing how political Nashville is.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 10, 2019 10:23:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I personally love Lindsay Ell's music. I still remember the first time I saw the video for "Trippin' on Us" on one of those extra CMT channels in the middle of the night. I was a junior in high school and I had just finished using the treadmill and I walked into the den and I heard this catchy jam on the TV. She really is talented.
I'll be rooting for this song to hit #1 for both Lindsay and Brantley.
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phil1996
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Post by phil1996 on Jun 10, 2019 12:21:36 GMT -5
I can’t stand Bobby Bones but outside of that, none of this discussion makes sense. This song needed to be a duet and they’re labelmates. End of story
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collinkottke
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Post by collinkottke on Jun 10, 2019 12:42:09 GMT -5
I can’t stand Bobby Bones but outside of that, none of this discussion makes sense. This song needed to be a duet and they’re labelmates. End of story They are not labelmates. Brantley is on Big Machine Records' Valory and Lindsay is on Broken Bow Records' Stoney Creek.
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 10, 2019 14:57:33 GMT -5
I think we can at least take this away from the discussion...stay away from the Bones guy. He might've been the one who created this controversy around her to get attention and now look. The take away I have from this discussion is that you really need to give these sexist debates a rest because basing an entire diatribe around something like "does Lindsay Ell really deserve to be on here?" like duet spots with male artists are supposed to be auctioned off to only the most deserving and coining the cringeworthy phrase of "fake sexism" is absolutely ridiculous. Please find something more productive to occupy your time with because this ain't it.
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Post by justin5545 on Jun 14, 2019 9:00:34 GMT -5
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Post by Troublemaker on Jun 14, 2019 10:49:59 GMT -5
Four singles and still no mention of an album, BMLG what’s good?
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 16, 2019 21:28:53 GMT -5
This is actually one of my favorite songs at radio right now. Brantley really knows how to deliver a rocker and Lindsay is a great addition to it. Quite a jam.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Jun 19, 2019 15:57:08 GMT -5
Really love the new one, and hoping an album is on its way. He's very hit or miss with singles, but I like this one and generally there's always some good album cuts.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 23, 2019 16:42:01 GMT -5
"What Happens In A Small Town" enters the Mediabase Top 15, becoming Lindsay Ell's first Top 15 radio single! So happy for her she is getting her first official hit. I do wish the sales were better.
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Post by recordyear on Jun 26, 2019 2:56:44 GMT -5
Bubbling Under Hot 100: #22 (debut) Country Airplay: #17 (=)
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Post by HeyHeyHey on Aug 11, 2019 15:32:03 GMT -5
I hope this one gives up soon. I actually like it quite a bit but it was #17 on Country Airplay last week after making it as high as #13. It’s 34 weeks old so they could probably push for a little while longer but still, I think this one along with the FGL song should give up.
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Post by Naos on Aug 12, 2019 19:33:57 GMT -5
Hot 100: #97 (debut)
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 12, 2019 20:02:49 GMT -5
Which makes it Lindsay Ell's first Hot 100 appearance. Small victory since this song doesn't seem to be connecting that well and might struggle to do more than potentially scrape top 10 (though that would also be a nice get for her, too), but still nice to see.
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Post by dm2081 on Aug 13, 2019 16:16:53 GMT -5
Wish this one could have done better (assuming it peters out before the top 5), but I think "Bad Boy" could be the huge hit for him that he desperately needs right now.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 15, 2019 8:50:04 GMT -5
I just realized this was released around Thanksgiving last year. With the album out in 6 weeks, was it really worth pushing this for 9 months? It seems like a new track should’ve been sent to radio Aug 1.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Aug 16, 2019 20:34:45 GMT -5
I just realized this was released around Thanksgiving last year. With the album out in 6 weeks, was it really worth pushing this for 9 months? It seems like a new track should’ve been sent to radio Aug 1. That depends on how much Valory actually invested in pushing this these past few weeks. It's mostly just been staying afloat in the teens. It seems to be testing all right, just racking up a high burn rate for all these weeks it's spent in medium rotation on most playlists, but it's not really pushing anyone away. Does it take a lot of resources and time to keep this afloat with moderate listener support all these weeks? I'd imagine the promo reps just call up each PD once a week to confirm they're still spinning it in medium rotation, maybe ask for a power conversion, get denied, and ask when the station will be ready to power it up. They should be able to keep this going until it hits what seems to be Brantley's natural ceiling around #6 or #7 on the charts, which'll probably be in a month or so. Then, they can release a second single with pre-arranged airplay for the first day of release and have it well into the 30s by the time the album drops. Brantley's hardcore fan base will show up regardless of whether they hear him a lot or a little on the radio, though.
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Post by Naos on Aug 19, 2019 21:03:38 GMT -5
Hot 100: #85 (+12)
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Post by phil1996 on Aug 26, 2019 8:15:18 GMT -5
“Bad Boy” and “Man Who Hung The Moon” are absolutely flawless songs. Wow. Hope to hear more of those on the record, hope one of them hits radio.
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Post by country11 on Oct 4, 2019 17:11:19 GMT -5
There are so many good songs on this new album. Absolutely love Fire & Brimstone.
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Post by recordyear on Oct 5, 2019 17:52:51 GMT -5
New album predicted to have 35-40k pure sales and 38-43k SPS first week.
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Post by phil1996 on Oct 5, 2019 18:02:55 GMT -5
New album predicted to have 35-40k pure sales and 38-43k SPS first week. Wow, outselling Pardi?
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Post by recordyear on Oct 5, 2019 18:45:30 GMT -5
New album predicted to have 35-40k pure sales and 38-43k SPS first week. Wow, outselling Pardi? He also has tour ticket bundles, and his name sells.
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 6, 2019 14:29:58 GMT -5
Brantley Gilbert is a much bigger name than Jon Pardi so I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised by that.
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Post by phil1996 on Oct 6, 2019 17:22:20 GMT -5
Brantley Gilbert is a much bigger name than Jon Pardi so I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised by that. I think that’s very much debatable
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 6, 2019 17:29:02 GMT -5
Brantley Gilbert is a much bigger name than Jon Pardi so I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised by that. I think that’s very much debatable Brantley's last album opened with 77,000 in its first week and Jon Pardi's started with 29,000, and I don't think there's any debate over which one of them has the bigger fanbase/touring draw. Brantley's career has cooled off a bit from where it was at in like 2011-2015, while Jon's has been on the incline since that timeframe, but I'm not surprised at all to see Brantley putting up bigger numbers.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Oct 6, 2019 17:58:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not seeing this scenario where Jon Pardi is a bigger star than Brantley Gilbert. Gilbert's Just As I Am sold 211,000 copies in its first week back in 2014, highly impressive for someone who never quite made the A-list.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 14, 2019 10:42:33 GMT -5
No Listening Party thread, but Fire & Brimstone comes in at #1 country, #9 top 200 with 28,000 sold. Congratulations, Brantley Gilbert. There is one; you just missed it.
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