Au$tin
Diamond Member
Pop Culture Guru
Grrrrrrrrrr. Fuckity fuck why don't you watch my film before you judge it? FURY.
Joined: August 2008
Posts: 54,624
My Charts
Pronouns: He/his/him
|
Post by Au$tin on Dec 2, 2018 16:46:45 GMT -5
Drake isn't anywhere close to being the "Best [Selling] Male Artist of All-Time" in the United States so that "list" isn't useful at all especially now in 2018 in the streaming era. That's because it's not a list of sales, but a list of the most certified male musicians. It's not meant to represent total sales. Please, people, stop trying to make data mean more than it's supposed to mean.
|
|
highho
Charting
Joined: December 2018
Posts: 34
|
Post by highho on Dec 2, 2018 17:24:41 GMT -5
Why are random Drake stats always being posted on the weekly Chart discussions thread!?
Isn't there a Drake artist discussion thread for this?
And it's being posted by the same Drake stan. Is it even remotely related to this week's chart?
|
|
tanooki
Diamond Member
2019 Breakthrough
lucia gta 6
Joined: August 2017
Posts: 10,118
Pronouns: they/she/fae
|
Post by tanooki on Dec 2, 2018 19:19:27 GMT -5
I hope Nuketown debuts
|
|
|
Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 2, 2018 19:42:55 GMT -5
Why are random Drake stats always being posted on the weekly Chart discussions thread!? Isn't there a Drake artist discussion thread for this? And it's being posted by the same Drake stan. Is it even remotely related to this week's chart? How is a list with several other artists meant to be "Drake stats"? So if I post a list of the biggest songs of the year and Drake happens to dominate that, too, I shouldn't have done it because he dominated it? It's really not that serious. I've posted a list of the most streamed albums on Spotify before and Ed Sheeran dominated that list, not Drake, so what are you going on about?
|
|
|
Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 2, 2018 19:50:08 GMT -5
kierz7 in my original post, I specifically titled the list I posted "Highest certified males in the US." I never insinuated that it was a list of the bestselling male artists in the US, ever. I also stated that the list was incomplete and I got it off ATRL. I actually wanted us to discuss Elvis and how he's managed to amass such ridiculous certifications for his NUMEROUS albums, but you jumped in and got all defensive. Drake is also the highest certified digital singles artist in the US, but you'll never catch me saying he's the "best selling."
|
|
|
Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 2, 2018 19:51:01 GMT -5
It blows my mind that artists like the Ski Mask dude have an actual audience that actively engage with their content.
|
|
kierz7
2x Platinum Member
Joined: June 2018
Posts: 2,642
|
Post by kierz7 on Dec 2, 2018 19:58:56 GMT -5
kierz7 in my original post, I specifically titled the list I posted "Highest certified males in the US." I never insinuated that it was a list of the bestselling male artists in the US, ever. I also stated that the list was incomplete and I got it off ATRL. I actually wanted us to discuss Elvis and how he's managed to amass such ridiculous certifications for his NUMEROUS albums, but you jumped in and got all defensive. Drake is also the highest certified digital singles artist in the US, but you'll never catch me saying he's the "best selling." I didn't mean to get defensive. I apologize if it came across that way. Yes, Drake is the most certified Male Digital artist in the U.S followed by Rihanna (who is #1 among Females by a large margin). As for Elvis Presley, his record label(s) have been constantly amassing certifications for his records for years now. If you look on the RIAA website, every now and then a random Presley album; Greatest Hits EP etc. will be certified 'Gold' or 'Platinum' and the other. I also don't think it's as much of a secret either as most (though certainly not all) millennials/young chart-watchers aren't invested in Presley to begin with to even notice. Nevertheless, Presley is from an era where an artist would release a myriad of albums in a single calendar year, especially at the peak of their popularity. Take a look at 'The Supremes + Diana Ross'. In the 1960's (1964-1969) they released: -18 Studio Albums -3 Live Albums -2 OST's Overall, they have also released 32 compilation albums, however their material is nowhere near as certified as Presley's.
|
|
amore
Platinum Member
Banned
Joined: June 2018
Posts: 1,205
|
Post by amore on Dec 2, 2018 20:08:19 GMT -5
TUN is doing so well
|
|
tanooki
Diamond Member
2019 Breakthrough
lucia gta 6
Joined: August 2017
Posts: 10,118
Pronouns: they/she/fae
|
Post by tanooki on Dec 2, 2018 20:09:08 GMT -5
It blows my mind that artists like the Ski Mask dude have an actual audience that actively engage with their content. I mean, if Ski Mask didn't have an audience, you wouldn't even know the name
|
|
|
Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 2, 2018 20:13:48 GMT -5
kierz7 in my original post, I specifically titled the list I posted "Highest certified males in the US." I never insinuated that it was a list of the bestselling male artists in the US, ever. I also stated that the list was incomplete and I got it off ATRL. I actually wanted us to discuss Elvis and how he's managed to amass such ridiculous certifications for his NUMEROUS albums, but you jumped in and got all defensive. Drake is also the highest certified digital singles artist in the US, but you'll never catch me saying he's the "best selling." I didn't mean to get defensive. I apologize if it came across that way. Yes, Drake is the most certified Male Digital artist in the U.S followed by Rihanna (who is #1 among Females by a large margin). As for Elvis Presley, his record label(s) have been constantly amassing certifications for his records for years now. If you look on the RIAA website, every now and then a random Presley album; Greatest Hits EP etc. will be certified 'Gold' or 'Platinum' and the other. I also don't think it's as much of a secret either as most (though certainly not all) millennials/young chart-watchers aren't invested in Presley to begin with to even notice. Nevertheless, Presley is from an era where an artist would release a myriad of albums in a single calendar year, especially at the peak of their popularity. Take a look at 'The Supremes + Diana Ross'. In the 1960's (1964-1969) they released: -18 Studio Albums -3 Live Albums -2 OST's Overall, they have also released 32 compilation albums, however their material is nowhere near as certified as Presley's. Rihanna is actually the best-selling digital artist of the decade (I forget if it was for the 00's or the '10's worldwide, and by a longshot). Drake has only caught up/surpassed her because he's released a lot of songs in the streaming era that have happened to be really successful. Rihanna also hasn't certified a ton of her singles, so she might as well surpass him when that happens. About Elvis, yes. It's crazy that we're complaining about artists of this generation putting out too much music at once, but like I always say, everything happens in cycles. I know that in the 70's, 80's, artists released songs like they were on drugs and the artists who could move albums - much like the artists who can pull massive amounts of streams now - took advantage of that fact by beefing up their album sale numbers (example of said artists: the Beatles, Elvis Presley). In a lot of ways, that's really what we're seeing now. That's how the Beatles set a lot of records that are only getting broken 50, 60 years later. That's why I wish a lot more people didn't shoot down streaming because while there will be artists who'll take advantage of it to beef up their career stats, it's nothing that hasn't happened before. It's just history repeating itself under another methodology.
|
|
kierz7
2x Platinum Member
Joined: June 2018
Posts: 2,642
|
Post by kierz7 on Dec 2, 2018 20:14:24 GMT -5
thegreatdivineBarbra Streisand is another artist who released an album virtually per year at the peak of her popularity between the 1960's + 1970's (1963-1979). Overall, she has released: -36 Studio Albums -9 Live Albums -10 Compilation Albums -11 Video Albums -15 OST's.
|
|
|
Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 2, 2018 20:15:09 GMT -5
It blows my mind that artists like the Ski Mask dude have an actual audience that actively engage with their content. I mean, if Ski Mask didn't have an audience, you wouldn't even know the name True. I guess I mean, artists like him make music that is SO TERRIBLE. I get that music is subjective and all and I get that there'll be some people who like that stuff, it's just amazing that there are so many people who like his music enough for it to pull those kinds of numbers, lol, idk.
|
|
|
Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 2, 2018 20:17:51 GMT -5
I watched the video today. Didn't like it at all and can't see myself ever watching it again, but I LOVE what it's doing for Ariana. I'm glad she's seeing this kind of success because people tend to forget that she gave the Weeknd his first top 10 song with "Love Me Harder" and right after that, the Weeknd went on to see massive commercial success with his following album, scoring multiple #1 hits and selling millions of albums worldwide while Ariana just kinda kept coasting. She's deserved this level of success for a long time now. I just hope it extends to the album the song belongs to. I really loved Sweetner - more than I ever thought I'd care to admit.
|
|
|
Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 2, 2018 20:23:14 GMT -5
thegreatdivineBarbra Streisand is another artist who released an album virtually per year at the peak of her popularity between the 1960's + 1970's (1963-1979). Overall, she has released: -36 Studio Albums -9 Live Albums -10 Compilation Albums -11 Video Albums -15 OST's. I mean, you look at numbers like that and it's absolutely ridiculous. I remember Prince releasing 5 alnums between 1994-1996 in order to get out of his deal with Warner Bros. Even in recent years, we've seen shades of that level of output. Take Jay Z and his output, releasing an album every year from his debut in 1996-2003. Take Rihanna and how she released an album every year from 2008-2012. Even artists like Drake/Future who have released multiple projects from 2014/2015-now. When I see an artist like Lil Baby who dropped 4 projects last year and 3 projects this year, I'm not surprised. All of this has happened before and there'll always be cycles we go through when artists put out this much music this quickly.
|
|
kierz7
2x Platinum Member
Joined: June 2018
Posts: 2,642
|
Post by kierz7 on Dec 2, 2018 20:24:42 GMT -5
I didn't mean to get defensive. I apologize if it came across that way. Yes, Drake is the most certified Male Digital artist in the U.S followed by Rihanna (who is #1 among Females by a large margin). As for Elvis Presley, his record label(s) have been constantly amassing certifications for his records for years now. If you look on the RIAA website, every now and then a random Presley album; Greatest Hits EP etc. will be certified 'Gold' or 'Platinum' and the other. I also don't think it's as much of a secret either as most (though certainly not all) millennials/young chart-watchers aren't invested in Presley to begin with to even notice. Nevertheless, Presley is from an era where an artist would release a myriad of albums in a single calendar year, especially at the peak of their popularity. Take a look at 'The Supremes + Diana Ross'. In the 1960's (1964-1969) they released: -18 Studio Albums -3 Live Albums -2 OST's Overall, they have also released 32 compilation albums, however their material is nowhere near as certified as Presley's. Rihanna is actually the best-selling digital artist of the decade (I forget if it was for the 00's or the '10's worldwide, and by a longshot). Drake has only caught up/surpassed her because he's released a lot of songs in the streaming era that have happened to be really successful. Rihanna also hasn't certified a ton of her singles, so she might as well surpass him when that happens. About Elvis, yes. It's crazy that we're complaining about artists of this generation putting out too much music at once, but like I always say, everything happens in cycles. I know that in the 70's, 80's artists released songs like they were on drugs and the artists who could move albums - much like the artists who can pull massive amounts of streams now - took advantage of that fact by beefing up their album sale numbers (example of said artists: the Beatles, Elvis Presley). In a lot of ways, that's really what we're seeing now. That's how the Beatles set a lot of records that are only getting broken 50, 60 years later. That's why I wish a lot more people didn't shoot down streaming because while there will be artists who'll take advantage of it to beef up their career stats, it's nothing that hasn't happened before. It's just history repeating itself under another methodology. Rihanna is the best selling Digital artist of all-time (Worldwide) in general with sales of over +250M Digital downloads + Ringtones, and this includes both the 2000's + 2010's thus far. AN ABSOLUTE LEGEND. In the U.S, her certifications stand at 198M. At least -40M of her records are uncertified. If they were to all be updated tomorrow, she would easily surpass Drake however if Drake updated all of his 'Scorpion' era certifications the following day he would surpass her again. Overall, depending on who releases more frequently from here on out and which artist has their certifications updated quicker, Rihanna and Drake will be going back-and-forth as the #1 & #2 'Most Certified U.S Artists' for a while now. That said... I'm so sad that their working/romantic relationship has dissolved. Rihanna stated that they aren't "friends, but not enemies either" and Drake stated they're "cordial when we see eachother, and that's it", but I still have love for her". They could have been such an iconic couple in general (not just iconic musical collaborators) had they worked out their differences properly. They clearly hurt eachother and just moved on. D: D: D: thegreatdivine
|
|
lazer
2x Platinum Member
Joined: January 2018
Posts: 2,628
|
Post by lazer on Dec 2, 2018 20:30:51 GMT -5
I really hope Rihanna could make a big comeback.
|
|
kierz7
2x Platinum Member
Joined: June 2018
Posts: 2,642
|
Post by kierz7 on Dec 2, 2018 20:35:40 GMT -5
I really hope Rihanna could make a big comeback. What is she "coming back" from? Either way, the release method for #R9 better be PRECISE, CONCISE & CONSISTENT. With all the major secrecy and hype surrounding the project, her team BETTER NOT f*ck it up like they did with 'ANTI' in the beginning. The album better be on every living Streaming/Digital service + in every Physical Retailer across the Globe the second it's released, as should the standalone singles. I need 'GGGB/LOUD' level promo. and marketing. Am I right, or am I right thegreatdivine. LMAO.
|
|
|
Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 2, 2018 20:37:00 GMT -5
kierz7 yeah, they're definitely both legends. What Rihanna has managed to achieve as a musician in terms of success, is incredible. We don't talk about it enough and we sure as hell don't give her enough credit for her influence on this current generation of female singers. I watched a clip of an interview that Mariah Carey did recently where she said there are no legends and no classic albums from this generation of artists and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I know she meant well because it didn't seem like she was being shady, but when older artists say things like that, it's hard not to see them as being bitter. Yes, a lot of the music coming out in this generation is low-quality, but EVERY generation of musicians has had artists who put out wack, bottom-of-the-barrel music. It's nothing new. I also did not agree with her opinion at all. We have MULTIPLE artists who are considered icons, if not legends already. About Drake and Rihanna, yes, it really does suck because their working relationship did coincide with their personal/romantic relationship. They made some great songs together. I personally think What's My Name/Take Care/Work are three of the strongest collabs we've gotten from a singer/rapper pairing in YEARS. They're all iconic songs. I'm a huge Drake fan and while I won't pretend to know the exact reason why their relationship fell apart, he has a long history of cheating on every woman he dates, lol. Rihanna entertained him from 2009-2016 on/off and he still couldn't get it together. I'm glad she moved on. They're both amazing and incredible artists apart so I'm not bothered because they'll still give us amazing music. It just sucks sometimes that we'll probably never get another collabs from them because they fell apart in their personal lives. Welp.
|
|
|
Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 2, 2018 20:42:02 GMT -5
I really hope Rihanna could make a big comeback. What is she "coming back" from? Either way, the release method for #R9 better be PRECISE, CONCISE & CONSISTENT. With all the major secrecy and hype surrounding the project, her team better not f*ck it up like they did with 'ANTI' in the beginning. The album better be on every living Streaming/Digital service + in every Physical Retailer across the Globe the second it's released, as should the standalone singles. I need 'GGGB/LOUD' level promo. and marketing. I think either way, Rihanna will be good. Her team managed to fuck up everything leading up to the eventual relase of ANTi and it still managed to be a salvageable era for her. She's also had previous album eras where the first few singles didn't really connect and she didn't find a legit hit till much later. Artists like her always just find a way. I really hope the lead single for her next album makes a SMASH, though - just so it can validate the countless people who've been saying they want her back releasing music. It'd be a shame if she drops said music and then it flops. But she's Rihanna, I've never worried about any of her album eras and I'm not about to start now, lol.
|
|
owenlovesmusic
4x Platinum Member
Always 100
Joined: December 2017
Posts: 4,998
|
Post by owenlovesmusic on Dec 3, 2018 0:42:22 GMT -5
Going Bad (Meek Mill x Drake) #2 on Spotify 2 days in a row. I could see a #9 or #10 debut.
|
|
willapted33
9x Platinum Member
blonded
Joined: February 2017
Posts: 9,557
Pronouns: he/him
|
Post by willapted33 on Dec 3, 2018 1:11:12 GMT -5
Ski Mask
>terrible music
that sounds like the exact type of statement by someone who has never heard a Ski Mask song and just looks at his name and assumes he's trash
|
|
renaboss
Platinum Member
I don't want to miss a thing.
|
Post by renaboss on Dec 3, 2018 22:22:43 GMT -5
So, where's the year-end chart?
|
|
hughster1
Charting
Joined: September 2010
Posts: 239
|
Post by hughster1 on Dec 4, 2018 0:11:38 GMT -5
Take a look at 'The Supremes + Diana Ross'. In the 1960's (1964-1969) they released: -18 Studio Albums -3 Live Albums -2 OST's Overall, they have also released 32 compilation albums, however their material is nowhere near as certified as Presley's. A fact many people won't be aware of: For many decades, including most of the years at its height, Motown did not get any of their singles and albums certified gold and platinum because it was not an RIAA member and did not want to pay the certification fees. Eventually some, but not all, were certified going back. So the Supremes' statistics may have been much higher if Motown had gotten the gold certifications at the time (platinum didn't exist till the '70's).
|
|
|
Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 4, 2018 0:38:50 GMT -5
To whom it may concern.
|
|
kanfad
Gold Member
Enjoy your privileged life
Joined: March 2018
Posts: 871
|
Post by kanfad on Dec 4, 2018 1:07:48 GMT -5
thegreatdivine it looks like Drake's manager got the year end charts early and Drake posted the all charts he was #1 in
|
|
85la
3x Platinum Member
Joined: July 2007
Posts: 3,919
|
Post by 85la on Dec 4, 2018 1:09:52 GMT -5
So, where's the year-end chart? Not till next week probably, not sure what day.
|
|
|
Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 4, 2018 4:02:40 GMT -5
thegreatdivine it looks like Drake's manager got the year end charts early and Drake posted the all charts he was #1 in Yeah, I saw that, too. People like that get that kinda information before we, the general public, do. Either way, I think he'll break the record he set in 2016 at the BBMAs. He should win more than 13 awards at the ceremony next year.
|
|
velaxti
2x Platinum Member
Joined: March 2013
Posts: 2,014
|
Post by velaxti on Dec 4, 2018 4:55:24 GMT -5
thegreatdivine it looks like Drake's manager got the year end charts early and Drake posted the all charts he was #1 in Yeah, I saw that, too. People like that get that kinda information before we, the general public, do. Either way, I think he'll break the record he set in 2016 at the BBMAs. He should win more than 13 awards at the ceremony next year. The best example I remember was the week they added Youtube in 2013. Rihanna tweeted that she was #3(?I think?) a couple of hours before the top 10 reveal, and everybody was so confused because the song was nowhere near the top 10 using the previous formula iirc. We thought she got different charts mixed up or something haha. It was pretty funny looking back because we all thought she was stupid and got the Hot 100 mixed up with another chart, but really it was just a formula change.
|
|
|
Post by Golden Bluebird on Dec 4, 2018 9:13:39 GMT -5
kworb.net/airadio/*** = Dropped or added a format Overall AI (Top 20) - 2018/12/041. (=) PANIC! AT THE DISCO - High Hopes (148.776) (+1.800) 2. (=) MARSHMELLO - Happier f/Bastille (139.075) (+0.751) 3. (+1) ARIANA GRANDE - Breathin (110.146) (+2.017) 4. (-1) 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER - Youngblood (107.544) (-0.772) 5. (=) MAROON 5 - Girls Like You (103.296) (-1.263) 6. (=) KHALID X NORMANI - Love Lies (92.253) (-1.769) 7. (=) POST MALONE - Better Now (89.623) (-1.261) 8. (=) HALSEY - Without Me (86.795) (+1.349) 9. (=) TRAVIS SCOTT - Sicko Mode (82.982) (+0.850) 10. (=) LOVELYTHEBAND - Broken (75.917) (+0.039) 11. (=) BENNY BLANCO, HALSEY & KHALID - Eastside (71.029) (+0.734) 12. (=) ELLA MAI - Trip (65.690) (-0.183) 13. (+1) KANE BROWN - Lose It (62.403) (-0.125) 14. (-1) JUICE WRLD - Lucid Dreams (61.797) (-1.987) 15. (=) JIMMIE ALLEN - Best Shot (60.290) (-0.450) 16. (=) GUCCI MANE/BRUNO/KODAK - Wake Up In The Sky (59.540) (+0.570) 17. (=) LUKE COMBS - She Got The Best Of Me (56.944) (-0.539) 18. (=) LAUV - I Like Me Better (56.906) (-0.345) 19. (+1) NF - Lie (55.193) (-0.528) 20. (+3) ARIANA GRANDE - thank u, next (54.956) (+2.611) Others: 23. (-1) POST MALONE & SWAE LEE - Sunflower (52.993) (+0.602) 24. (=) MITCHELL TENPENNY - Drunk Me (52.335) (+1.254) 26. (+2) BAD BUNNY - MIA f/Drake (48.826) (+1.408) 40. (+3) KODAK BLACK - Zeze f/Travis Scott & Offset (38.928) (+0.558) 42. (+3) LADY GAGA & BRADLEY COOPER - Shallow (38.099) (+0.506) 50. (+4) JASON ALDEAN - Girl Like You (31.788) (+0.548) 55. (+1) CAMILA CABELLO - Consequences (30.780) (+0.611) 74. (+2) CARDI B - Money (24.728) (+0.561)
|
|
highho
Charting
Joined: December 2018
Posts: 34
|
Post by highho on Dec 4, 2018 10:38:04 GMT -5
YaY drake!
|
|