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Post by Maximillian on Jan 22, 2019 21:04:55 GMT -5
Main pop girls usually see their lead singles go #1 with ease 1; their albums are always in the YE top 10 and one of the top 3 selling female acts of the year. There can be more than one main pop lady at a time, but usually no more than three. 2 After the 'mains' is usually a B-tier of pop girls - no limit on how many here - who are doing fine for themselves, are pretty consistent and may even be capable of grabbing a #1 or two, but they just don't generate the same amount of seemingly effortless buzz and hype that you expect from a superstar. Halsey, Selena, that type of act is not a main. Without Me shows strong potential for Halsey to also transition to 'main' level but I need to see how her next single moves. Having full label backing and an aggressive management team is important and sometimes it simply comes down to good timing/releasing when some established mains are taking a break or are fresh off a flop, but the image still has to connect on a massive level that is really hard to achieve. 1I make an exception for 2000s Britney here b/c that was a rare moment when labels were phasing out physical singles, and TRL stars didn't need radio quite as much to dominate conversations or album sales. 2 If you adopt the '3 at a time' theory it kind of makes sense that it didn't happen for Ariana when it 'should' have (My Everything or Dangerous Woman). Rihanna, Taylor, and Katy were still MPGs then and there just wasn't space for another one to break through yet. Rihanna's longevity probably threw the rotation off. Usually someone steps off in time for another person to have an early breakthrough. 3 I have clearly overthought this. I would say there are 5 at a time. Currently it's Ariana, Taylor, Rihanna, Beyonce, and Gaga. Ariana kicked out Katy Perry. If Bey and Gaga don't get another radio hit, they may be kicked out too. Katy kicked herself out.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 23, 2019 6:35:11 GMT -5
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Post by upsidedown on Jan 23, 2019 6:41:59 GMT -5
I see where at the point of Ariana's career where she can put out absolute garbage and everyone instantly eats it up. Ugh.
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Post by Normi on Jan 23, 2019 6:58:40 GMT -5
I see where at the point of Ariana's career where she can put out absolute garbage and everyone instantly eats it up. Ugh. The Light is coming flopped though? I don't know what you're talking about then, as she doesn't release trash too often
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Post by Normi on Jan 23, 2019 7:11:40 GMT -5
There are literally no main pop girls left, especially not in the variety and success of what we haven't seen since 2011 when multiple girls ruled the charts Nowadays pop ain't that relevant anyways and most earlier pop girls lost their spark (even Taylor did) Ariana stands alone as a massive pop girl, let's see what happens once Rihanna releases as I can't imagine her losing steam ever
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 23, 2019 7:25:40 GMT -5
If we're going to uphold the theory of 'multiple pop girls at once' then who fits in the current dichotomy with Ariana? The closest I can think of is Halsey, since she's also had a notable string of pop smashes ('Alone' notwithstanding, although that didn't actually flop, it just didn't do nearly as well as its predecessors).
I'm having trouble thinking of any other pop girl who's been consistently big in recent times. Camila ain't it, since things fell apart after NBTS. Taylor's currently out of it 'cause the 'Reputation' era was so uneven. Bebe had one smash hit with a follow-up that was just 'there'. Dua Lipa isn't even there yet, since after 'New Rules' she hasn't had that runaway follow-up smash (and her case is THE most frustrating because her house collabs are MONSTER tracks that deserved better at radio).
Even in the 'up-and-comers' department who's up-and-coming to maybe claim a spot? So far it looks like only Ava Max. Sabrina Carpenter hasn't been able to secure a breakout hit yet. Zara maybe has another shot but isn't out of the woods yet given she's on a second chance run. And the pop girls seem to thrive when they've got a counterpoint (ie. Britney/Christina, Katy/Gaga). If not Zara or Sabrina, who could be Ava's counterpoint? (Personally, I'd love Alice Chater to catch on, she's got a few bops up her sleeve).
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Post by Mayman on Jan 23, 2019 7:32:58 GMT -5
Ariana is THE main pop girl. Nobody else is doing as well as her in the pop field right now.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Jan 23, 2019 8:50:30 GMT -5
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Post by musicbuff26 on Jan 23, 2019 9:05:09 GMT -5
To give out some examples: Kelly was the main pop girl during Breakaway.Taylor with 1989Rihanna was pop's go-to lady for a looooong time but particularly with Good Girl Gone Bad and kinda LOUD too. Lady Gaga with The Fame and The Fame Monster Britney, Christina and Beyonce have never dominated the pop charts with a single project that way. I think you could make a case for I Am... Sasha Fierce and Stripped , but they have their weaknesses. Not sure about pop charts, but I think people really forget how successful Christina’s debut was. 3 Hot 100 #1s and then a number 3, plus Lady Marmalade went #1 right after. Britney was definitely more popular generally, but Christina had the most success on the singles chart during her debut.
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Post by thezatch on Jan 23, 2019 11:14:08 GMT -5
To give out some examples: Kelly was the main pop girl during Breakaway.Taylor with 1989Rihanna was pop's go-to lady for a looooong time but particularly with Good Girl Gone Bad and kinda LOUD too. Lady Gaga with The Fame and The Fame Monster Britney, Christina and Beyonce have never dominated the pop charts with a single project that way. I think you could make a case for I Am... Sasha Fierce and Stripped , but they have their weaknesses. What about the Femme Fatale era though? She was effortlessly smashing on Pop (compared to her previous releases) while being mentally checked out for most of the era. That era's only real misstep was releasing "Criminal" over "Inside Out" as the final single.
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Post by Choco on Jan 23, 2019 11:19:55 GMT -5
To give out some examples: Kelly was the main pop girl during Breakaway.Taylor with 1989Rihanna was pop's go-to lady for a looooong time but particularly with Good Girl Gone Bad and kinda LOUD too. Lady Gaga with The Fame and The Fame Monster Britney, Christina and Beyonce have never dominated the pop charts with a single project that way. I think you could make a case for I Am... Sasha Fierce and Stripped , but they have their weaknesses. What about the Femme Fatale era though? She was effortlessly smashing on Pop (compared to her previous releases) while being mentally checked out for most of the era. That era's only real misstep was releasing "Criminal" over "Inside Out" as the final single. Album sales were fairly poor, the lead single didn't really connect after initial hype... But it's probably her best era in terms of CHR smashing though. I think Rihanna was a much bigger deal at that point than Britney though, Katy was still on Teenage Dream mode, and 2011 was Adele's year too. Britney's career is amazing but her different peaks like 2007/2008 were more related to the media frenzy around her rather than the music.
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Post by deepston on Jan 23, 2019 12:38:06 GMT -5
I would say there are 5 at a time. Currently it's Ariana, Taylor, Rihanna, Beyonce, and Gaga. Ariana kicked out Katy Perry. If Bey and Gaga don't get another radio hit, they may be kicked out too. Bey hasn't had a pop radio hit in literally 9 years. Gaga hasn't had one in 5 years either. If we count Shallow, then we could also count Feels for Katy, which was about as big worldwide.Not even close, commercially or impact-wise.
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Post by thelegends on Jan 23, 2019 12:42:54 GMT -5
I see where at the point of Ariana's career where she can put out absolute garbage and everyone instantly eats it up. Ugh. This is trash but at least better than shit like Blueface - Thotiana and Blueface's music in general.
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Post by deepston on Jan 23, 2019 13:42:52 GMT -5
I see where at the point of Ariana's career where she can put out absolute garbage and everyone instantly eats it up. Ugh. This is trash but at least better than s**t like Blueface - Thotiana and Blueface's music in general. You've expressed this is trash like a million times now. Can't you come up with another type of criticism?
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Post by wavey.✨️ on Jan 23, 2019 13:55:18 GMT -5
This is trash but at least better than s**t like Blueface - Thotiana and Blueface's music in general. You've expressed this is trash like a million times now. Can't you come up with another type of criticism? If it's not "Into You" or "everytime/breathin" = trash.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jan 23, 2019 14:09:45 GMT -5
You've expressed this is trash like a million times now. Can't you come up with another type of criticism? If it's not "Into You" or "everytime/breathin" = trash. Is this a general statement or a specific criticism aimed at that particular poster?
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jan 23, 2019 14:48:33 GMT -5
If it's not "Into You" or "everytime/breathin" = trash. Is this a general statement or a specific criticism aimed at that particular poster? I'm sure it's a satire statement towards a lot of posters here who hate hip-hop and trap and would rather have generic Max Martin pop ruling the charts again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 14:54:45 GMT -5
If we're going to uphold the theory of 'multiple pop girls at once' then who fits in the current dichotomy with Ariana? The closest I can think of is Halsey, since she's also had a notable string of pop smashes ('Alone' notwithstanding, although that didn't actually flop, it just didn't do nearly as well as its predecessors). Things are a little weird with the present situation because Taylor's Reputation took a big knee at radio, but she kind of patched things up at the end with Delicate; and rumors that this may be Rihanna's last album are lingering in certain places, but people still love and anticipate new Riri. So right now we have two spots that might or might not be up for grabs, but no one else rising so fast as to be undeniable. It's MPG limbo. This is how I see it, just focusing on the 2010s: 2010-2012: Katy, Gaga, Rihanna 2013-2016: Katy, Rihanna, that really brief moment when we thought Miley had next/Taylor 2017-present: Rihanna (pending), Taylor (pending), Ariana "that really brief moment when we thought Miley had next/Taylor" is similar to how Camila started off 2018 really strong but then hit a road block that gave Ariana the opening to lock it down. Potential future MPGs: - Camila (needs to course correct with album #2 - letting her debut die after two hit singles blocked her from achieving main status right out the gate, but Havana's huge success guarantees at least a decent amount of initial interest in a new lead single) - Dua (inarguably a main pop girl in every market except the US, sigh; needs to find a sound that isn't too European for our audience to enjoy) - Halsey (needs to prove Without Me isn't a fluke) - Normani (needs a non-shared lead pop hit to confirm her staying power, but showing a lot of early promise; desire to be an r&b/pop hybrid and performance skills put her in a distinct lane with no visible competitors) - I'm not entirely sold on Ava Max yet, but I am aware that the early buzz is there One can be a superstar in general without being a main pop star, which is why I don't consider Beyonce or Gaga main pop girls now. Beyonce's time was in the 2000s (if you count Destiny's Child's success she was a main pop girl for pretty much that entire decade; she and Rihanna had/have amazing longevity that pretty much no other main pop girl this century has maintained). Gaga found success in other endeavors. Then you have Adele, for whom everyone seems to have reached some unspoken agreement to not insult by reducing her to 'mere' pop status, main or otherwise. There also isn't any shame at all in not achieving or holding on to 'main' status if you're a consistent seller. Kelly kneed her own MPG status for personal reasons, but still maintained a nice career afterward and outlasted pretty much all of the artists who debuted at the same time she did. P!nk basically spent her whole career being just-shy of MPG status, and not only outlasted all of her late '90s/early '00s peers but damn near every other pop star who came out in the following fifteen years.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jan 23, 2019 14:55:18 GMT -5
Is this a general statement or a specific criticism aimed at that particular poster? I'm sure it's a satire statement towards a lot of posters here who hate hip-hop and trap and would rather have generic Max Martin pop ruling the charts again. I guess. But this song is trash because it’s trash, not because it isn’t a traditional pop song.
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Post by wavey.✨️ on Jan 23, 2019 14:57:12 GMT -5
Is this a general statement or a specific criticism aimed at that particular poster? I'm sure it's a satire statement towards a lot of posters here who hate hip-hop and trap and would rather have generic Max Martin pop ruling the charts again. This. There is nothing wrong with trying new things without be called a vulture or s**t like that.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jan 23, 2019 15:01:13 GMT -5
I'm sure it's a satire statement towards a lot of posters here who hate hip-hop and trap and would rather have generic Max Martin pop ruling the charts again. This. There is nothing wrong with trying new things without be called a vulture or s**t like that. You know, I love both Into You and breathin and I'm not a huge fan of this new track however I appreciate Ariana doing something new, taking more risks. It's a bit commendable.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jan 23, 2019 15:29:15 GMT -5
Is it really taking a risk if she’s confirming to a dominant sound? Not only that, but she’s never been a pure pop act. She’s always had hip hop/r&b influence. How much of a risk or departure is this really?
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jan 23, 2019 15:31:44 GMT -5
Let's be clear, being an Urban purist doesn't make you any less annoying than the Pop purists around here (well, maybe slightly less annoying than leonagwen). I love all genres of music and I certainly don't need my dislike of a song being explained away because "I'm a basic Becky" or want "generic Max Martin pop." This song is by far more generic and uninspired than any of the Max Martin songs she released off of her last album. If we were all in here stanning "Break Free," you may have had a leg to stand on. And I know we throw around "Becky" terms, etc. lovingly with a touch of lite shade, but the tone in here gets a little too serious sometimes. If you love the song, then love it. By all means, dive in! Wash your sins away with it. And if I think it sounds like a bonus track off of some D-list reality show star's independently released EP, then that's what I'm going to think. And that has nothing to do with me specifically wanting pop from her. She can give me Urban bops for days, but they need to be a helluva lot better than this. And again, how is this song a risk? Or new? Or anything? This is literally the safest thing she could be releasing right now in the current musical climate.
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Post by wavey.✨️ on Jan 23, 2019 15:39:32 GMT -5
Has she done any other songs that sound similar to 7 rings? If so, then I'm wrong at saying shes trying different things.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jan 23, 2019 15:51:45 GMT -5
Has she done any other songs that sound similar to 7 rings? If so, then I'm wrong at saying shes trying different things. She's been releasing songs with R&B and Urban influences practically her entire career. The market is primed for that type of material, it's not a risk for her to push it further. It's the smart thing to do.
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Post by velaxti on Jan 23, 2019 16:11:23 GMT -5
Has she done any other songs that sound similar to 7 rings? If so, then I'm wrong at saying shes trying different things. She's been releasing songs with R&B and Urban influences practically her entire career. The market is primed for that type of material, it's not a risk for her to push it further. It's the smart thing to do. Yeah, The Way and Problem both charted on urban radio. The funny thing is that 7 Rings probably won't.
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Post by tinawina on Jan 23, 2019 17:45:35 GMT -5
If we're going to uphold the theory of 'multiple pop girls at once' then who fits in the current dichotomy with Ariana? The closest I can think of is Halsey, since she's also had a notable string of pop smashes ('Alone' notwithstanding, although that didn't actually flop, it just didn't do nearly as well as its predecessors). I'm having trouble thinking of any other pop girl who's been consistently big in recent times. Camila ain't it, since things fell apart after NBTS. Taylor's currently out of it 'cause the 'Reputation' era was so uneven. Bebe had one smash hit with a follow-up that was just 'there'. Dua Lipa isn't even there yet, since after 'New Rules' she hasn't had that runaway follow-up smash (and her case is THE most frustrating because her house collabs are MONSTER tracks that deserved better at radio). Even in the 'up-and-comers' department who's up-and-coming to maybe claim a spot? So far it looks like only Ava Max. Sabrina Carpenter hasn't been able to secure a breakout hit yet. Zara maybe has another shot but isn't out of the woods yet given she's on a second chance run. Anrd the pop girls seem to thrive when they've got a counterpoint (ie. Britney/Christina, Katy/Gaga). If not Zara or Sabrina, who could be Ava's counterpoint? (Personally, I'd love Alice Chater to catch on, she's got a few bops up her sleeve). The last time I brought this up I was reminded that Selena Gomez exists and to a lesser degree, Demi Lovato. But I agree neither is at this level right now. Ari stands alone for the moment.
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Post by wavey.✨️ on Jan 23, 2019 20:22:40 GMT -5
Has she done any other songs that sound similar to 7 rings? If so, then I'm wrong at saying shes trying different things. She's been releasing songs with R&B and Urban influences practically her entire career. You know what, you're right. I think for me, I like that shes singing about different things as she gets older, besides the typical things shes been working with ever since "The Way". 7r is definitely a bragging song, which I would've never expected from her. Now if she comes out with something like "Twerk", I'll be like this:
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Post by leonagwen on Jan 23, 2019 22:44:02 GMT -5
The main pop girls now are Ariana, Rihanna, Taylor and Selena. Halsey isn't quite their yet, Camila was heading their till Sangria Wine happened.
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