Billboard Hot 100: 1/19/2019

[monkeydluffy]

Jan 12, 2019 1:15:28 GMT -5 85la said:

So when is Ariana's next album coming out? I still think its far too early for the follow up to Sweetener. And it's not like Sweetener was a flop either, it did very well from the get go, so why rush all the subsequent singles at the risk of them sabotaging each other? (yes TUN did well, but it's rise at radio and prospects for #1 at pop are seeming to be more of a challenge). If TUN did so well right away, they could have waited a bit and it could easily do just as well, and it seems to have affected Breathin's chart placement, probably costing it top ten (which in turn probably thwarted GIAW, as it was released too soon after that as well); it just seems very unwise; pop artists are still very different from hip-hop artists, you can't just blitz them all at once and release 10 singles and expect them to all do well. It doesn't make economic sense either - the tried and true formula I think still stands for pop artists: release one single at a time with reasonable intervals in between to promote the album and maximize revenue from both singles and the album, and one album can last well over a year. It seems like the industry figured this out over forty years ago: why put out the expense of releasing 2 or 3 albums a year when you can release just one a year, or even more infrequently, save some production and marketing costs, and bring in just as much revenue, and in many cases securing higher chart placements. It seems like it was a bold try where she wanted to buck this trend, but it doesn't quite seem to be working.

She says she doesn’t want to abide by pop music standards. She wants to release as much music as she can and aspires to have a release schedule like rap music stars. I read in an article she will release music whenever she feels like it and not care about if it’s too much at one time, even having 2 albums in one year if she wanted to.

She has such a huge fan base, that idea can work. I personally think more pop artists should follow this ideal.

[Naos]

Jan 12, 2019 2:34:47 GMT -5 monkeydluffy said:

Jan 12, 2019 1:15:28 GMT -5 85la said:

So when is Ariana's next album coming out? I still think its far too early for the follow up to Sweetener. And it's not like Sweetener was a flop either, it did very well from the get go, so why rush all the subsequent singles at the risk of them sabotaging each other? (yes TUN did well, but it's rise at radio and prospects for #1 at pop are seeming to be more of a challenge). If TUN did so well right away, they could have waited a bit and it could easily do just as well, and it seems to have affected Breathin's chart placement, probably costing it top ten (which in turn probably thwarted GIAW, as it was released too soon after that as well); it just seems very unwise; pop artists are still very different from hip-hop artists, you can't just blitz them all at once and release 10 singles and expect them to all do well. It doesn't make economic sense either - the tried and true formula I think still stands for pop artists: release one single at a time with reasonable intervals in between to promote the album and maximize revenue from both singles and the album, and one album can last well over a year. It seems like the industry figured this out over forty years ago: why put out the expense of releasing 2 or 3 albums a year when you can release just one a year, or even more infrequently, save some production and marketing costs, and bring in just as much revenue, and in many cases securing higher chart placements. It seems like it was a bold try where she wanted to buck this trend, but it doesn't quite seem to be working.

She says she doesn’t want to abide by pop music standards. She wants to release as much music as she can and aspires to have a release schedule like rap music stars. I read in an article she will release music whenever she feels like it and not care about if it’s too much at one time, even having 2 albums in one year if she wanted to.

She has such a huge fan base, that idea can work. I personally think more pop artists should follow this ideal.

She's very much risking overexposure and killing longevity for any of her releases within the public eye.

[jarhys]

Jan 12, 2019 1:15:04 GMT -5 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 said:

Jan 12, 2019 1:03:58 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

Could it renter then if it gets above 26?

Yes, as it is already behind the 25-52 week rule. And given the featured artist in it, the streaming gonna be huge, but I got no idea for sales and airplay.

It will be epic for Believer reenter the chart. A song that already charted two year end charts.

[𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿]

Jan 12, 2019 3:01:58 GMT -5 jarhys said:

Jan 12, 2019 1:15:04 GMT -5 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 said:

Yes, as it is already behind the 25-52 week rule. And given the featured artist in it, the streaming gonna be huge, but I got no idea for sales and airplay.

It will be epic for Believer reenter the chart. A song that already charted two year end charts.

And to think they almost got to have Radioactive get on 3 year-end charts, let's see if Believer can make it a possibility.

[monkeydluffy]

Jan 12, 2019 2:59:24 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 12, 2019 2:34:47 GMT -5 monkeydluffy said:

She says she doesn’t want to abide by pop music standards. She wants to release as much music as she can and aspires to have a release schedule like rap music stars. I read in an article she will release music whenever she feels like it and not care about if it’s too much at one time, even having 2 albums in one year if she wanted to.

She has such a huge fan base, that idea can work. I personally think more pop artists should follow this ideal.

She's very much risking overexposure and killing longevity for any of her releases within the public eye.

I agree it’s a risk, but she seems willing to risk that to change how pop music is made and viewed. I’m behind her on it. I hope she succeeds.

[Naos]

Jan 12, 2019 4:42:16 GMT -5 monkeydluffy said:

Jan 12, 2019 2:59:24 GMT -5 Naos said:

She's very much risking overexposure and killing longevity for any of her releases within the public eye.

I agree it’s a risk, but she seems willing to risk that to change how pop music is made and viewed. I’m behind her on it. I hope she succeeds.

To make it viewed as disposable and only appealing for a short time? If she succeeds, it'll lead to the death of pop hits among the general public, making fanbases and music as a whole more insular.

[Golden Bluebird]

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Overall AI (Top 20) - 2019/01/12
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2. (=) MARSHMELLO - Happier f/Bastille (139.078) (-0.652)
3. (=) HALSEY - Without Me (132.166) (+1.669)
4. (=) ARIANA GRANDE - thank u, next (124.707) (+1.027)
5. (=) ARIANA GRANDE - Breathin (121.973) (-0.663)
6. (=) MAROON 5 - Girls Like You (109.682) (-0.898)
7. (=) BENNY BLANCO, HALSEY & KHALID - Eastside (92.728) (-0.720)
8. (=) TRAVIS SCOTT - Sicko Mode (87.680) (+0.205)
9. (=) 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER - Youngblood (85.266) (-0.629)
10. (=) KHALID X NORMANI - Love Lies (75.465) (-0.376)
11. (=) POST MALONE & SWAE LEE - Sunflower (74.619) (+1.424)
12. (=) POST MALONE - Better Now (71.704) (-1.178)
13. (=) BAD BUNNY - MIA f/Drake (67.532) (-0.482)
14. (=) ELLA MAI - Trip (66.115) (+0.114)
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39. (+2) FLIPP DINERO - Leave Me Alone (42.542) (+0.537)
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[owenlovesmusic]

Lost In the Fire debuts at #7 on US Spotify, Dancing With A Stranger at #10

[djkelly1]

Jan 8, 2019 19:11:40 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Several of the 1990's Hot 100 Y/E charts are so bizarre.

For example, let's take 1990.

• Nothing Compares 2 U - Sinead O' Connor:
#1 for 4 weeks / Top 10 for 10 weeks / YE #3

• Vision of Love - Mariah Carey:
#1 for 4 weeks / Top 10 for 8 weeks / YE #6

• Hold On - Wilson Phillips:
#1 for 1 week / Top 10 for 9 weeks / YE #1

"Vision of Love" & "Nothing Compares 2 U" were the longest running #1's of 1990, which had two of the longest runs in the top 10 that year also, and yet "Hold On" was the YE #1?


Even Madonna's "VOGUE" and Bel Div Devoe's "Poison" had longer runs at #1 and in the top 10 (although the latter peaked at #3).

How did BILLBOARD calculate the YE charts during these times? Did songs that spent more time in the top 20 or on the chart overall weigh more because the above doesn't make sense to me.

I always wondered that myself. I remember this vividly because it was the first year I actively followed the charts, and I was shocked that Hold On was #1 for the year.

[jebsib]

You also have to really factor in weeks on the Hot 100, not just top 10. Hold On was on the chart for 25 weeks… That is nothing in today's age, but was still pretty unusual back then.
These are the days when 4 years would go by between songs that spent 10 weeks in the top 10 or 7 years went by with a song spending more than a month at #1.
Crazy to contemplate these days.

[Envoirment]

I don't see anything wrong with Ariana releasing so much music - like many other rap/hip-hop artists do. People in the 50s/60s would release multiple albums a year. Given how big she is, it'll likely benefit her.

[kindofbiased]

Not sure if anyone can answer this but does anyone know what happened to Billboard making videos for the top 10? It's not that big of a deal but I've noticed that they haven't released one since the December 1st chart, which is kinda weird to me since they've been a (mostly) weekly thing for over 4 years now.

[Au$tin]

Jan 12, 2019 15:07:33 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

Not sure if anyone can answer this but does anyone know what happened to Billboard making videos for the top 10? It's not that big of a deal but I've noticed that they haven't released one since the December 1st chart, which is kinda weird to me since they've been a (mostly) weekly thing for over 4 years now.

This was brought up a few pages back. The general agreement seems to be copyright issues. YouTube and record labels are getting asinine in their take down of videos that use copyrighted material (despite in this case it literally being only 15 second clips at most), and it's likely affecting Billboard's videos.

[iHype.]

Jan 12, 2019 14:06:27 GMT -5 jebsib said:

You also have to really factor in weeks on the Hot 100, not just top 10. Hold On was on the chart for 25 weeks… That is nothing in today's age, but was still pretty unusual back then.
These are the days when 4 years would go by between songs that spent 10 weeks in the top 10 or 7 years went by with a song spending more than a month at #1.
Crazy to contemplate these days.

And not to mention, the old way Year-Ends were compiled just put more emphasis on overall weeks charting. The modern year-end/all-time charts way essentially places emphasis on songs with most weeks top 10/top 20. 

If I'm not mistaken, pre-Soundscan the formula for year-ends was like #1 = 100 points, #2 = 99 points, etc. So a song charting two weeks at #50 would equal 1 week #1. 

Today, on the all-time/decade-end formula, 20 weeks at #50 is equal to a single week at #1. And also with the year-end, using real points accumulated weekly,  you'd need multiple months of charting in lower positions to equal 1 week in higher positions. 

In a pre-Soundscan methodology, songs like Radioactive/I'm Yours would be heavily favored for just charting long whether or not they were in higher positions for awhile. In a post-Soundscan methodology, songs like God's Plan are favored over them, songs which spend a huge amount at #1/top 10 even if they fall like a rock after.

However Shape of You/Uptown Funk! songs which spend a crazy amount of time at the top and a crazy amount charting overall are favored the ultimate most.

[mackattack]

Jan 12, 2019 2:59:24 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 12, 2019 2:34:47 GMT -5 monkeydluffy said:

She says she doesn’t want to abide by pop music standards. She wants to release as much music as she can and aspires to have a release schedule like rap music stars. I read in an article she will release music whenever she feels like it and not care about if it’s too much at one time, even having 2 albums in one year if she wanted to.

She has such a huge fan base, that idea can work. I personally think more pop artists should follow this ideal.

She's very much risking overexposure and killing longevity for any of her releases within the public eye.

Girlie started the My Everything just a few months after Yours Truly came out and that went on to be her most successful era at the time. And I mean Ari’s been a relevant name in pop for a while now so I don’t know if she can truly fall off unless her next album is trash.

[iHype.]

Justin Bieber had Where Are U Now, What Do You Mean, Sorry, Love Yourself, Let Me Love You, Cold Water, Despacito, I'm the One back to back. And 2U + Friends throughout several other countries.

Ariana will be fine.

[Naos]

Jan 12, 2019 16:51:49 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Justin Bieber had Where Are U Now, What Do You Mean, Sorry, Love Yourself, Let Me Love You, Cold Water, Despacito, I'm the One back to back. And 2U + Friends throughout several other countries.

Ariana will be fine.

I'm pretty sure "2U" and "Friends" did far worse than most of what he's done, but that's not comparable as a lot of those are one-off features he did.

[iHype.]

Jan 12, 2019 17:03:16 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 12, 2019 16:51:49 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Justin Bieber had Where Are U Now, What Do You Mean, Sorry, Love Yourself, Let Me Love You, Cold Water, Despacito, I'm the One back to back. And 2U + Friends throughout several other countries.

Ariana will be fine.

I'm pretty sure "2U" and "Friends" did far worse than most of what he's done, but that's not comparable as a lot of those are one-off features he did.

'And 2U + Friends throughout several other countries.'

Friends reached #2 in UK, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Finland, and Austria. Reached top 5 in Canada, Germany, and peaked top 10 in various other countries.

2U reached top 5 in UK, Australia, Canada, Netherlands, New Zealand, Germany, France, and other countries.

[Naos]

Jan 12, 2019 17:36:39 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Jan 12, 2019 17:03:16 GMT -5 Naos said:

I'm pretty sure "2U" and "Friends" did far worse than most of what he's done, but that's not comparable as a lot of those are one-off features he did.

'And 2U + Friends throughout several other countries.'

Friends reached #2 in UK, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Finland, and Austria. Reached top 5 in Canada, Germany, and peaked top 10 in various other countries.

2U reached top 5 in UK, Australia, Canada, Netherlands, New Zealand, Germany, France, and other countries.

For reaching Top 5 in all of those countries, it had a pretty piss-poor year-end position in most of those.

Same with "Friends". For being #2, only making #93 on the year-end is pathetic.

[renaboss]

Jan 12, 2019 17:42:17 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 12, 2019 17:36:39 GMT -5 iHype. said:

'And 2U + Friends throughout several other countries.'

Friends reached #2 in UK, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Finland, and Austria. Reached top 5 in Canada, Germany, and peaked top 10 in various other countries.

2U reached top 5 in UK, Australia, Canada, Netherlands, New Zealand, Germany, France, and other countries.

For reaching Top 5 in all of those countries, it had a pretty piss-poor year-end position in most of those.

Same with "Friends". For being #2, only making #93 on the year-end is pathetic.

You're quite a negative person, aren't you? New year new life, my friend. Let the light shine through! 

[Naos]

Jan 12, 2019 18:10:22 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Jan 12, 2019 17:42:17 GMT -5 Naos said:

For reaching Top 5 in all of those countries, it had a pretty piss-poor year-end position in most of those.

Same with "Friends". For being #2, only making #93 on the year-end is pathetic.

You're quite a negative person, aren't you? New year new life, my friend. Let the light shine through! 

Sorry, I don't believe in that "new year, new life" crap. I was simply arguing numbers. Those songs did far worse than the other songs at the time. He was overexposed.

[Au$tin]

Jan 12, 2019 18:12:00 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 12, 2019 18:10:22 GMT -5 renaboss said:

You're quite a negative person, aren't you? New year new life, my friend. Let the light shine through! 

Sorry, I don't believe in that "new year, new life" crap.

We been knew.

[Deleted]

Jan 12, 2019 2:59:24 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 12, 2019 2:34:47 GMT -5 monkeydluffy said:

She says she doesn’t want to abide by pop music standards. She wants to release as much music as she can and aspires to have a release schedule like rap music stars. I read in an article she will release music whenever she feels like it and not care about if it’s too much at one time, even having 2 albums in one year if she wanted to.

She has such a huge fan base, that idea can work. I personally think more pop artists should follow this ideal.

She's very much risking overexposure and killing longevity for any of her releases within the public eye.

Her songs has never had longevity, most pop songs don't so she not really risking anything 

[Naos]

Jan 12, 2019 19:24:03 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

Jan 12, 2019 2:59:24 GMT -5 Naos said:

She's very much risking overexposure and killing longevity for any of her releases within the public eye.

Her songs has never had longevity, most pop songs don't so she not really risking anything 

A lot of pop songs have longevity due to the radio on the charts. And I meant in the public eye. A lot of these hip-hop "hits" won't be remembered in 10 years, but a lot of the big radio hits will. Because streaming is mainly fanbase and playlist driven, not general public driven.

[Exclusive]

Jan 12, 2019 19:35:13 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 12, 2019 19:24:03 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

Her songs has never had longevity, most pop songs don't so she not really risking anything 

A lot of pop songs have longevity due to the radio on the charts. And I meant in the public eye. A lot of these hip-hop "hits" won't be remembered in 10 years, but a lot of the big radio hits will. Because streaming is mainly fanbase and playlist driven, not general public driven.H

How does one evaluate longevity 'in the public eye'?

[85la]

Jan 12, 2019 16:06:07 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Jan 12, 2019 14:06:27 GMT -5 jebsib said:

You also have to really factor in weeks on the Hot 100, not just top 10. Hold On was on the chart for 25 weeks… That is nothing in today's age, but was still pretty unusual back then.
These are the days when 4 years would go by between songs that spent 10 weeks in the top 10 or 7 years went by with a song spending more than a month at #1.
Crazy to contemplate these days.

And not to mention, the old way Year-Ends were compiled just put more emphasis on overall weeks charting. The modern year-end/all-time charts way essentially places emphasis on songs with most weeks top 10/top 20. 

If I'm not mistaken, pre-Soundscan the formula for year-ends was like #1 = 100 points, #2 = 99 points, etc. So a song charting two weeks at #50 would equal 1 week #1. 

Today, on the all-time/decade-end formula, 20 weeks at #50 is equal to a single week at #1. And also with the year-end, using real points accumulated weekly,  you'd need multiple months of charting in lower positions to equal 1 week in higher positions. 

I don't think that was the case. I remember reading from a Billboard source somewhere that, pre-Soundscan, each week at #1 would get a bonus 50 points, maybe similar bonuses were given once a song reached other thresholds up the chart, though it's not entirely clear, nor how many base points are given. For instance, I don't think Billboard has ever stated explicitly that position #100 gives one point, position #99 gives 2 points, position #10 gives 90 points, etc., they just say generally that "songs are awarded the most amount of points at #1 and the least amount at #100," but they don't say specifically how many points (if someone has a source where they do say this, I'd love to see it!). It also probably changed from year to year, for example in 1964 Can't Buy Me Love spent 10 weeks on the chart but 5 at #1, yet it was only #52 year-end, so maybe they didn't give very high bonuses to #1 during that time. There is a clear correlation though that the more weeks and at higher positions a song spends on the chart, especially at #1 and towards the top 10, the higher it will rank year-end and all-time, but of course this can made up for if the song spends enough weeks at lower positions, which was probably the case with Hold On.

[Naos]

Jan 12, 2019 19:37:19 GMT -5 Exclusive said:

Jan 12, 2019 19:35:13 GMT -5 Naos said:

A lot of pop songs have longevity due to the radio on the charts. And I meant in the public eye. A lot of these hip-hop "hits" won't be remembered in 10 years, but a lot of the big radio hits will. Because streaming is mainly fanbase and playlist driven, not general public driven.H

How does one evaluate longevity 'in the public eye'?

Simple. Who's going to care about any of these songs/albums like they do something like "Bohemian Rhapsody", or "Thriller", or for more modern examples, albums from Adele and Taylor Swift? This is what happens when you overexpose yourself by constantly releasing material. It's just to pander to the fanbase.

[mackattack]

Jan 12, 2019 19:39:57 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 12, 2019 19:37:19 GMT -5 Exclusive said:

How does one evaluate longevity 'in the public eye'?

Simple. Who's going to care about any of these songs/albums like they do something like "Bohemian Rhapsody", or "Thriller", or for more modern examples, albums from Adele and Taylor Swift? This is what happens when you overexpose yourself by constantly releasing material. It's just to pander to the fanbase.

No correlation

[hot100predictions]

Jan 12, 2019 2:59:24 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 12, 2019 2:34:47 GMT -5 monkeydluffy said:

She says she doesn’t want to abide by pop music standards. She wants to release as much music as she can and aspires to have a release schedule like rap music stars. I read in an article she will release music whenever she feels like it and not care about if it’s too much at one time, even having 2 albums in one year if she wanted to.

She has such a huge fan base, that idea can work. I personally think more pop artists should follow this ideal.

She's very much risking overexposure and killing longevity for any of her releases within the public eye.

Says the K-Pop fan  no taste

[Naos]

Jan 12, 2019 20:38:37 GMT -5 hot100predictions said:

Jan 12, 2019 2:59:24 GMT -5 Naos said:

She's very much risking overexposure and killing longevity for any of her releases within the public eye.

Says the K-Pop fan  no taste

I don't like K-pop.