Billboard Hot 100: 01/26/2019

[Choco]

Jan 19, 2019 10:06:47 GMT -5 hot100predictions said:

Jan 19, 2019 9:59:49 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

Jesus calm down lol. Its been one day, let's maybe idk wait a bit before we call it a done deal

All she needs is 50 million streams, 80k sales and 15M in radio. She already has a 13.5M audience on radio in the bag, with obviously more spins today and throughout this week (should have 18 or 19M), probs 15 million streams in the US, and has already sold 45k sales on U.S. iTunes. Put it in the bag.

The first few days of airplay won't count for it's first week, right? 80k sales might be a bit too high too.

[Deleted]

I don't think it has anything to do with a woman having a success, but more so a certain user (who I'm sure you know I'm talking about, but I won't name names :eyes) being so damn quick jump to conclusions about songs hitting #1 when it's literally been a day. Predicting songs to hit #1 is fine, but when you're this adamant about it, it's quite annoying.

Fwiw, I personally don't think #1 for Ariana is impossible (I'd say it's more likely than not), but it's literally been a day lol, people need to chill

[jarhys]

Thank U, Next just reached #1 on Pop. Can it stay there?

[Choco]

Jan 19, 2019 11:11:41 GMT -5 jarhys said:

Thank U, Next just reached #1 on Pop. Can it stay there?

Just this week probably. It's time for radio to play musical chairs with it and "Without Me" so both get the #1 peak. Whoever drops the least once they peak will get a few weeks there because "Sunflower" is quite far. With "7 rings" coming I think "Without Me" will be able to hold on much better than "thank u, next".

RE: the Spotify numbers for "7 rings". Great debut, but again, let's wait and see. "thank u, next" really impressed by holding on strong after day 1.

[jayhawk1117]

Jan 19, 2019 10:45:14 GMT -5 @ioshirai said:

Some people are extremely insecure about the prospect of a woman having success. I recall this same exact discussion happening when TUN dropped.

L M F A O. It has nothing to do with women being successful. It has to do with the fact that we're claiming number one debuts after literally one day

[Gary]

It does have something to do with women being successful. Pulse tends to be crazier than usual every time a female pop singer releases a song.

[livelightning]

Jan 19, 2019 1:34:57 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 19, 2019 1:07:38 GMT -5 livelightning said:

Lmao culture vulture? I can't believe you're seriously using that term. There's no such thing as "culture vulture." It's just music, and anyone can make any type of music. His music has all been great so far. Can't think of a single bad hit he has had. As for Drake, there is a reason he is the king of rap. Enough said.

It wasn't about his traits inherently. But it's obvious he's an outsider and really, has little to no respect. I don't call Chris Hart a culture vulture, because he's black and does J-pop, and I don't call Eminem one, cause they obviously does have respect for the culture they've engrossed themselves in. Post Malone does not. He does it because it's trendy. He has disavowed hip-hop before despite being at the forefront.

Lol it's not a culture. It's music that anyone can make for any reason, and anyone can make fun of. And Post Malone is one of the most respected artists working in music.

[jenglisbe]

Obviously “7R” is off to a huge start and could hit or debut at #1 in two charts (could also debut low if airplay holds up), but it’s too early to be definitive about anything. Streams could hold up and guarantee #1. Streams could also plummet. We all know this to be true, so why is it even discussion?

[mackattack]

Why is everyone so pressed about someone predicting that 7R could go #1? Y’all do the exact same thing every time Post drops something 😴😭

[jtd Thee Stallion]

Now you know damn well.. let me hush

[Deleted]

7 Rings is amazing and deserves to debut at 1!

[Au$tin]

Jan 19, 2019 7:17:32 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

I'd certainly prefer Ariana's (by far) worst single not replace Post's best song. But it'll be close for sure. No radio til next week will hurt it

What do you mean no radio until next week?

[gabe]

Jan 19, 2019 12:23:06 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Obviously “7R” is off to a huge start and could hit or debut at #1 in two charts (could also debut low if airplay holds up), but it’s too early to be definitive about anything. Streams could hold up and guarantee #1. Streams could also plummet. We all know this to be true, so why is it even discussion?

Can't wait for Ariana to make the record jump from 100-1

[brady47]

Breathin' held up really well on airplay, considering TUN erupted out of nowhere. I wonder how well it could've done if TUN wasn't in the picture.

[brady47]

Love Lies is showing incredible longevity on airplay. It entered top 10 in early August, and it's still #11...

[Naos]

Jan 19, 2019 12:17:22 GMT -5 livelightning said:

Jan 19, 2019 1:34:57 GMT -5 Naos said:

It wasn't about his traits inherently. But it's obvious he's an outsider and really, has little to no respect. I don't call Chris Hart a culture vulture, because he's black and does J-pop, and I don't call Eminem one, cause they obviously does have respect for the culture they've engrossed themselves in. Post Malone does not. He does it because it's trendy. He has disavowed hip-hop before despite being at the forefront.

Lol it's not a culture. It's music that anyone can make for any reason, and anyone can make fun of. And Post Malone is one of the most respected artists working in music.

Music is a part of a culture, actually. Any form of art is. It's no more a part of culture than say, Bollywood is for India. And I don't care whether he is respected. He has no respect for the genre he's taking part in. I can assure you, if rock was popular, he'd be doing that. If country was, he'd be doing that. Hell, he's already got the lyrics of emo, he would definitely be doing that if he could. Once hip-hop dries up, he'll leave as well. I didn't say he couldn't make music for any reason. But I'm also free to speak my own opinion on the utter worthlessness that is Post Malone.

[85la]

I think it's ok to make #1 predictions after just one day, you can't make very strong predictions or anything definitive, but especially if the numbers are very strong for 7 Rings (as of this post still a very large lead on iTunes by several factors over the #2), almost 4 million US streams on Spotify first day, and almost 30 million views for the video, plus 13 million radio AI first day (this is especially impressive if it hasn't even gotten a push or a deal at radio yet), these are very strong early signs to bet on. A top 5 debut is almost in the bag, but most certainly top 10.

[livelightning]

Jan 19, 2019 15:55:26 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 19, 2019 12:17:22 GMT -5 livelightning said:

Lol it's not a culture. It's music that anyone can make for any reason, and anyone can make fun of. And Post Malone is one of the most respected artists working in music.

Music is a part of a culture, actually. Any form of art is. It's no more a part of culture than say, Bollywood is for India. And I don't care whether he is respected. He has no respect for the genre he's taking part in. I can assure you, if rock was popular, he'd be doing that. If country was, he'd be doing that. Hell, he's already got the lyrics of emo, he would definitely be doing that if he could. Once hip-hop dries up, he'll leave as well. I didn't say he couldn't make music for any reason. But I'm also free to speak my own opinion on the utter worthlessness that is Post Malone.

Who cares if he doesn't have respect for the genre (even though he does)? You can insult him all you like, but your reasons don't make much sense. He is one of the most worthy musicians in the scene, no matter what genre of music he makes. 

[Naos]

Jan 19, 2019 17:00:42 GMT -5 livelightning said:

Jan 19, 2019 15:55:26 GMT -5 Naos said:

Music is a part of a culture, actually. Any form of art is. It's no more a part of culture than say, Bollywood is for India. And I don't care whether he is respected. He has no respect for the genre he's taking part in. I can assure you, if rock was popular, he'd be doing that. If country was, he'd be doing that. Hell, he's already got the lyrics of emo, he would definitely be doing that if he could. Once hip-hop dries up, he'll leave as well. I didn't say he couldn't make music for any reason. But I'm also free to speak my own opinion on the utter worthlessness that is Post Malone.

Who cares if he doesn't have respect for the genre (even though he does)? You can insult him all you like, but your reasons don't make much sense. He is one of the most worthy musicians in the scene, no matter what genre of music he makes. 

Yes, with nothing to say that's ever worth a damn. If I remember correctly, he said something along the lines of if you're looking for meaning and lyrics, to not look to hip-hop. Which is just a projection, because as I said, his music is meaningless horseshit. It's money to him. Nothing more or less. I kinda wish he didn't fail that audition for that metal band. Then Post Malone wouldn't exist. And if you don't respect what you're making, using the culture for money because it's trendy, that's exactly what a culture vulture is.

[velaxti]

About Post Malone disavowing hip hop, I would have done the same in his situation. Yes, it's true that most of his music is clearly hip hop influenced, but we saw what happened to Iggy Azalea, G-Eazy, MGK, Macklemore, etc. they openly admitted that they were doing hip hop music and referred to themselves as hip hop artists, but that was problematic too, and most hip hop fans insist that they are pop artists. If Post Malone decided to call himself hip hop the same would happen, everybody would say "No, you make pop music lol".

Based on what I've seen in the past, I think it's better for white people who make hip hop music to just say they're pop artists. You can make 100% hip hop music and you will still get called a pop artist by hip hop fans, so at this stage I would just pre-empt it and call yourself pop from the very beginning.

[Naos]

Jan 19, 2019 17:12:57 GMT -5 velaxti said:

About Post Malone disavowing hip hop, I would have done the same in his situation. Yes, it's true that most of his music is clearly hip hop influenced, but we saw what happened to Iggy Azalea, G-Eazy, MGK, Macklemore, etc. they openly admitted that they were doing hip hop music and referred to themselves as hip hop artists, but that was problematic too, and most hip hop fans insist that they are pop artists. If Post Malone decided to call himself hip hop the same would happen, everybody would say "No, you make pop music lol".

Based on what I've seen in the past, I think it's better for white people who make hip hop music to just say they're pop artists. You can make 100% hip hop music and you will still get called a pop artist by hip hop fans, so at this stage I would just pre-empt it and call yourself pop from the very beginning.

Eminem never had a problem, now did he? He's not a pop artist, nor did he call himself as such. It sure makes sense to call yourself a pop artist, then shit on hip-hop like Post Malone did.

[velaxti]

Jan 19, 2019 17:11:31 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 19, 2019 17:00:42 GMT -5 livelightning said:

Who cares if he doesn't have respect for the genre (even though he does)? You can insult him all you like, but your reasons don't make much sense. He is one of the most worthy musicians in the scene, no matter what genre of music he makes. 

Yes, with nothing to say that's ever worth a damn. If I remember correctly, he said something along the lines of if you're looking for meaning and lyrics, to not look to hip-hop. Which is just a projection, because as I said, his music is meaningless horseshit. It's money to him. Nothing more or less. I kinda wish he didn't fail that audition for that metal band. Then Post Malone wouldn't exist. And if you don't respect what you're making, using the culture for money because it's trendy, that's exactly what a culture vulture is.

It's impossible for a white person to make any music without being a culture vulture. Almost all music genres can be traced back to black people.

And what about a few years ago when Usher, Chris Brown, Nicki Minaj, Ne-Yo, Kelly Rowland, etc. were all making dance-pop music (that literally sounded like it came straight out of Sweden)? I mean that was clearly only because they wanted big hits at the time, so had to follow the trend. It was so transparent. Their albums at the time would usually be something like 10 R&B songs plus 3 dance-pop songs, with the dance-pop songs being guaranteed to be used as the singles. They probably didn't even like the music, and none of them do it anymore now that it's gone out of fashion and it wouldn't benefit them anymore. Yeah, yeah, I know people will say "Well, dance-pop music wouldn't have existed without disco".

Jan 19, 2019 17:23:02 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 19, 2019 17:12:57 GMT -5 velaxti said:

About Post Malone disavowing hip hop, I would have done the same in his situation. Yes, it's true that most of his music is clearly hip hop influenced, but we saw what happened to Iggy Azalea, G-Eazy, MGK, Macklemore, etc. they openly admitted that they were doing hip hop music and referred to themselves as hip hop artists, but that was problematic too, and most hip hop fans insist that they are pop artists. If Post Malone decided to call himself hip hop the same would happen, everybody would say "No, you make pop music lol".

Based on what I've seen in the past, I think it's better for white people who make hip hop music to just say they're pop artists. You can make 100% hip hop music and you will still get called a pop artist by hip hop fans, so at this stage I would just pre-empt it and call yourself pop from the very beginning.

Eminem never had a problem, now did he? He's not a pop artist, nor did he call himself as such. It sure makes sense to call yourself a pop artist, then s**t on hip-hop like Post Malone did.

Eminem became famous at the end of the 90's. If he was a new artist just getting famous today, I don't think he would be accepted in hip hop. People would hear songs like Without Me, The Real Slim Shady, Just Lose It, My Name Is, etc. and laugh at the suggestion that it's hip hop. He had a lot of help from Dr. Dre to be accepted, and the cultural climate was different back then. Most people were encouraged to try and ignore everybody's race, it was a lot more "color-blind", whilst now people are encouraged to take into account people's race and being "color-blind" is considered to actually be harmful by a lot of people now.

[insen_13]

Jan 19, 2019 10:00:34 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

Jan 19, 2019 9:50:17 GMT -5 Kris said:

Damn 

radio cant push 3 Ari songs at the same time without one taking hits

breathin' is done 😢

[livelightning]

Jan 19, 2019 17:11:31 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 19, 2019 17:00:42 GMT -5 livelightning said:

Who cares if he doesn't have respect for the genre (even though he does)? You can insult him all you like, but your reasons don't make much sense. He is one of the most worthy musicians in the scene, no matter what genre of music he makes. 

Yes, with nothing to say that's ever worth a damn. If I remember correctly, he said something along the lines of if you're looking for meaning and lyrics, to not look to hip-hop. Which is just a projection, because as I said, his music is meaningless horseshit. It's money to him. Nothing more or less. I kinda wish he didn't fail that audition for that metal band. Then Post Malone wouldn't exist. And if you don't respect what you're making, using the culture for money because it's trendy, that's exactly what a culture vulture is.

Well, in that case, being a culture vulture isn't a bad thing. Music doesn't need to have deep meaning, and most people don't look to music for something deep. There are many other places for that. It just needs to sound good. His music does sound good, and no matter why he makes it, he is a great artist who deserves his success. You simply hate him because you want to. Luckily, the majority of people support him.

[Naos]

Jan 19, 2019 17:50:32 GMT -5 livelightning said:

Jan 19, 2019 17:11:31 GMT -5 Naos said:

Yes, with nothing to say that's ever worth a damn. If I remember correctly, he said something along the lines of if you're looking for meaning and lyrics, to not look to hip-hop. Which is just a projection, because as I said, his music is meaningless horseshit. It's money to him. Nothing more or less. I kinda wish he didn't fail that audition for that metal band. Then Post Malone wouldn't exist. And if you don't respect what you're making, using the culture for money because it's trendy, that's exactly what a culture vulture is.

Well, in that case, being a culture vulture isn't a bad thing. Music doesn't need to have deep meaning, and most people don't look to music for something deep. There are many other places for that. It just needs to sound good. His music does sound good, and no matter why he makes it, he is a great artist who deserves his success. You simply hate him because you want to. Luckily, the majority of people support him.

Being a culture vulture isn't a good thing. It'd be like Chris Hart shitting on J-pop calling it "meaningless garbage for teenagers", and then continuing to make it just to make money. I never said it had to be deep, did I? "Great artist". More like his producers. He's always the worst part of his own songs. But I guess whiny emo boys need music too. Cause that's basically what "I Fall Apart" is. What's so great about his contributions? That pretty much anyone with the most little amount of competence could make it if they had his resources and connections? His writing sucks, his vocals mediocre, he has little personality, and has the look of a homeless dude. He's only in it for the money, and an artist like that can never be great.

But hey, if Post Malone is great, so is MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice.

[livelightning]

Jan 19, 2019 18:03:35 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 19, 2019 17:50:32 GMT -5 livelightning said:

Well, in that case, being a culture vulture isn't a bad thing. Music doesn't need to have deep meaning, and most people don't look to music for something deep. There are many other places for that. It just needs to sound good. His music does sound good, and no matter why he makes it, he is a great artist who deserves his success. You simply hate him because you want to. Luckily, the majority of people support him.

Being a culture vulture isn't a good thing. It'd be like Chris Hart shitting on J-pop calling it "meaningless garbage for teenagers", and then continuing to make it just to make money. I never said it had to be deep, did I? "Great artist". More like his producers. He's always the worst part of his own songs. But I guess whiny emo boys need music too. Cause that's basically what "I Fall Apart" is. What's so great about his contributions? That pretty much anyone with the most little amount of competence could make it if they had his resources and connections? His writing sucks, his vocals mediocre, he has little personality, and has the look of a homeless dude. He's only in it for the money, and an artist like that can never be great.

But hey, if Post Malone is great, so is MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice.

I fundamentally disagree with everything you said. Post Malone isn't whiny, he just has a style of music. I Fall Apart is not even whiny. It's just about a relationship. You're wanting to hate him for no reason.  He is almost never the worst part in his own songs, and people should be able to make a type of music if it gets them money. He is a great artist because he makes his music great. Obviously his producers also have a role, but he has the biggest role. He has great personality, and like I said before, songwriting matters much less than the actual music. And criticizing a guy for his look is just invalid. Even if you think he is in it for the money, you can see the passion he puts into his work, and you see how great his music is. Also, MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice have nothing to do with post malone, but I do kinda like them as well.

[Naos]

Jan 19, 2019 18:31:08 GMT -5 livelightning said:

Jan 19, 2019 18:03:35 GMT -5 Naos said:

Being a culture vulture isn't a good thing. It'd be like Chris Hart shitting on J-pop calling it "meaningless garbage for teenagers", and then continuing to make it just to make money. I never said it had to be deep, did I? "Great artist". More like his producers. He's always the worst part of his own songs. But I guess whiny emo boys need music too. Cause that's basically what "I Fall Apart" is. What's so great about his contributions? That pretty much anyone with the most little amount of competence could make it if they had his resources and connections? His writing sucks, his vocals mediocre, he has little personality, and has the look of a homeless dude. He's only in it for the money, and an artist like that can never be great.

But hey, if Post Malone is great, so is MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice.

I fundamentally disagree with everything you said. Post Malone isn't whiny, he just has a style of music. I Fall Apart is not even whiny. It's just about a relationship. You're wanting to hate him for no reason.  He is almost never the worst part in his own songs, and people should be able to make a type of music if it gets them money. He is a great artist because he makes his music great. Obviously his producers also have a role, but he has the biggest role. He has great personality, and like I said before, songwriting matters much less than the actual music. And criticizing a guy for his look is just invalid. Even if you think he is in it for the money, you can see the passion he puts into his work, and you see how great his music is. Also, MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice have nothing to do with post malone, but I do kinda like them as well.

"He makes great music because I say so". There. Summed up your argument for ya. His tone in that song is incredibly whiny. There's nothing unique he has, except for his looks really. And yes, image does play a part in music a lot of the time. There's no passion in his content whatsoever. Great personality? What personality? All his appeal is based on his production, like a lot of the mainstream. Same reason people listen to Migos. It's all about "the vibe". No one gives a shit or connects to what they're saying. They could be speaking Mandarin and it wouldn't make a difference. I brought up Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer because like Post Malone will be, they're currently nothing but jokes. I never said what he can or can't do, but I can still rag on him for being a s**tty artist who has zero value.

[livelightning]

Jan 19, 2019 18:52:29 GMT -5 Naos said:

Jan 19, 2019 18:31:08 GMT -5 livelightning said:

I fundamentally disagree with everything you said. Post Malone isn't whiny, he just has a style of music. I Fall Apart is not even whiny. It's just about a relationship. You're wanting to hate him for no reason.  He is almost never the worst part in his own songs, and people should be able to make a type of music if it gets them money. He is a great artist because he makes his music great. Obviously his producers also have a role, but he has the biggest role. He has great personality, and like I said before, songwriting matters much less than the actual music. And criticizing a guy for his look is just invalid. Even if you think he is in it for the money, you can see the passion he puts into his work, and you see how great his music is. Also, MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice have nothing to do with post malone, but I do kinda like them as well.

"He makes great music because I say so". There. Summed up your argument for ya. His tone in that song is incredibly whiny. There's nothing unique he has, except for his looks really. And yes, image does play a part in music a lot of the time. There's no passion in his content whatsoever. Great personality? What personality? All his appeal is based on his production, like a lot of the mainstream. Same reason people listen to Migos. It's all about "the vibe". No one gives a s**t or connects to what they're saying. They could be speaking Mandarin and it wouldn't make a difference. I brought up Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer because like Post Malone will be, they're currently nothing but jokes. I never said what he can or can't do, but I can still rag on him for being a s**tty artist who has zero value.

There don't need to be any connection. Having a good vibe is enough. Again, you can insult him all you want, but what you're saying is not true. He is a very valuable artist, whose music is great. If Post Malone is so respected now, how will he become a joke. I actually gave reasons as to why he is a great artist. You are looking for reasons to hate him, just for the sake of hating him. 

[Naos]

Jan 19, 2019 18:57:56 GMT -5 livelightning said:

Jan 19, 2019 18:52:29 GMT -5 Naos said:

"He makes great music because I say so". There. Summed up your argument for ya. His tone in that song is incredibly whiny. There's nothing unique he has, except for his looks really. And yes, image does play a part in music a lot of the time. There's no passion in his content whatsoever. Great personality? What personality? All his appeal is based on his production, like a lot of the mainstream. Same reason people listen to Migos. It's all about "the vibe". No one gives a s**t or connects to what they're saying. They could be speaking Mandarin and it wouldn't make a difference. I brought up Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer because like Post Malone will be, they're currently nothing but jokes. I never said what he can or can't do, but I can still rag on him for being a s**tty artist who has zero value.

There don't need to be any connection. Having a good vibe is enough. Again, you can insult him all you want, but what you're saying is not true. He is a very valuable artist, whose music is great. If Post Malone is so respected now, how will he become a joke. I actually gave reasons as to why he is a great artist. You are looking for reasons to hate him, just for the sake of hating him. 

And his "vibe" is based on... guess who? Producers. He has nothing of value. No good vocals, no good writing, no respect for the genre he's put himself into. The only positive thing I can say is that he's not a criminal or an asshole. Besides that... eh. Nothing. There's not a thing good about him as a performer.

[imbondz]

Jan 19, 2019 17:28:47 GMT -5 velaxti said:

It's impossible for a white person to make any music without being a culture vulture. Almost all music genres can be traced back to black people.

lol. Ugh