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Post by austin on Jun 6, 2019 11:46:24 GMT -5
I would expect the singles to go:
Look What God Gave Her Remember You Young Notice Beer Can't Fix That Old Truck
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Post by bamaefule on Jun 6, 2019 13:05:30 GMT -5
I would expect the singles to go: Look What God Gave Her Remember You Young Notice Beer Can't Fix That Old Truck I’d dig that; got the upbeat and mid tempos balanced out too
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Post by narp on Jun 6, 2019 13:22:44 GMT -5
I like this song a lot. It deserves top 40
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Post by Crimsonio on Jun 6, 2019 13:58:37 GMT -5
Idk why I wrote this off so quickly when I first listened to it, but I love it a lot more when listening to the album in full. I agree That Old Truck should be a single, I think it's probably my favorite on the album along with Notice and Center Point Road.
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Post by countryman87 on Jun 8, 2019 20:39:55 GMT -5
I can't confirm it but I'm pretty sure the next single will be "Center Point Road". It'll make sense with Kelsea's song peaking now and LWGGH peaking in 2 weeks. Should be a #1 hit for them.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 9, 2019 16:10:12 GMT -5
No listening party thread, but Center Point Road sold 45,000 to come in at #1 country and #1 top 200. Congratulations, Thomas Rhett.
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Post by Naos on Jun 9, 2019 16:17:21 GMT -5
No listening party thread, but Center Point Road sold 45,000 to come in at #1 country and #1 top 200. Congratulations, Thomas Rhett. He also had 76,000 SPS, and beats the record for largest debut streaming week for a country album with 33.59 million streams.
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Post by kml567 on Jun 9, 2019 17:24:44 GMT -5
Very good numbers without a bundle. His summer tour is selling out really well in huge arenas and amphitheaters, so it's a shame he didn't do an album bundle. It could've inflated his numbers to 200k+ first week.
However, this song may only peak at #2. Shocking! It's way behind Lee Brice and now fallen behind Blake Shelton. We know radio loves playing pop songs, so I don't think this song being "too pop" is why country radio is lukewarm towards it.
My theory is that Thomas Rhett played the "My wife is perfect" card too many times? This has gotta be his 4th or 5th time releasing a song about his wife.
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Post by Naos on Jun 9, 2019 17:33:03 GMT -5
Very good numbers without a bundle. His summer tour is selling out really well in huge arenas and amphitheaters, so it's a shame he didn't do an album bundle. It could've inflated his numbers to 200k+ first week. However, this song may only peak at #2. Shocking! It's way behind Lee Brice and now fallen behind Blake Shelton. We know radio loves playing pop songs, so I don't think this song being "too pop" is why country radio is lukewarm towards it. My theory is that Thomas Rhett played the "My wife is perfect" card too many times? This has gotta be his 4th or 5th time releasing a song about his wife. Did 'Life Changes' have a bundle? Because it had 123,000 units and 93,000 pure sales. Yeah, it might just peak at #2, which is odd since it's selling and streaming pretty well. I doubt it'd have anything to do with song topics.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 9, 2019 17:39:17 GMT -5
This song just doesn't have great callout. Only the singles from Florida Georgia Line, Russell Dickerson, Tim McGraw, Tenille Townes, and George Strait and the 4th highest negative only doing better than Kelsea Ballerini (who has peaked) George Strait (promo gave up) and Tenille Townes.
I do think the subject matter has very little to do with it. People eat this lightweight fluff up all the time. No the production for me has always been my one problem with this song. Not so much about the country argument, but it just stands out so much.
I do think this can wiggle its way too a Mediabase only #1. But man this song while a high seller was a pretty risky choice for country radio in 2019.
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Post by Naos on Jun 9, 2019 18:14:26 GMT -5
I do think this can wiggle its way too a Mediabase only #1. But man this song while a high seller was a pretty risky choice for country radio in 2019. Even if it doesn't hit Billboard #1, it'll probably be still more successful than a lot of the #1s, probably. Still terrible for a Thomas Rhett single, especially a lead, to not go to #1.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 19:55:47 GMT -5
Thomas Rhett played the "My wife is perfect" card too many times? This has gotta be his 4th or 5th time releasing a song about his wife. Maybe no one minds it, but I do, and I'm sick of him gushing about his wife. WE GET IT!
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 10, 2019 4:16:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm so over the "look at how great my cute little life with my wife who I've known since Kindergarten and my two kids and my famous dad who got me into the music business so now I'm a star" act. Just stop showing off and sing some good music, please.
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Post by travelrocks24 on Jun 10, 2019 9:45:52 GMT -5
Very good numbers without a bundle. His summer tour is selling out really well in huge arenas and amphitheaters, so it's a shame he didn't do an album bundle. It could've inflated his numbers to 200k+ first week. However, this song may only peak at #2. Shocking! It's way behind Lee Brice and now fallen behind Blake Shelton. We know radio loves playing pop songs, so I don't think this song being "too pop" is why country radio is lukewarm towards it. My theory is that Thomas Rhett played the "My wife is perfect" card too many times? This has gotta be his 4th or 5th time releasing a song about his wife. It seems Billboard picks and chooses which concerts to give attendance counts on every Monday when the newsletter comes out, but I would like to see a real list.
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Post by Naos on Jun 10, 2019 11:22:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm so over the "look at how great my cute little life with my wife who I've known since Kindergarten and my two kids and my famous dad who got me into the music business so now I'm a star" act. Just stop showing off and sing some good music, please. It's not about showing off. He sings about his life like anyone else. If it's any indication, his life is relatively minute. He's a married man with two kids. And he got married young, there's not a whole ton of life experience to draw on. I don't think making random stuff up makes for good music. It's not like he was convincing trying to steal girlfriends on "Leave Right Now", or the hookup anthems like "Make Me Wanna". Plenty of artists write a lot of songs about significant others. Their marriage just isn't as visible in the media. Or they just make up relationships and hookups that don't exist.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 10, 2019 14:32:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm so over the "look at how great my cute little life with my wife who I've known since Kindergarten and my two kids and my famous dad who got me into the music business so now I'm a star" act. Just stop showing off and sing some good music, please. It's not about showing off. He sings about his life like anyone else. If it's any indication, his life is relatively minute. He's a married man with two kids. And he got married young, there's not a whole ton of life experience to draw on. I don't think making random stuff up makes for good music. It's not like he was convincing trying to steal girlfriends on "Leave Right Now", or the hookup anthems like "Make Me Wanna". Plenty of artists write a lot of songs about significant others. Their marriage just isn't as visible in the media. Or they just make up relationships and hookups that don't exist. If he's really *that* one-dimensional as a songwriter, there's an entire town full of prolific lyric-smiths he could turn to for outside cuts that he could slot in among his own material and he'd probably build a more interesting catalog that way. It seems like there's too much focus on having to write your own music these days. Some of the country greats like George Strait hardly ever picked up the pen (I think he only really started trying to write his own songs in the past decade or so), and it's not like he couldn't get the lion's share of quality cuts coming out of Nashville. I don't care that much because I generally don't use Thomas Rhett outside of a few songs here and there, but I can see why others would be frustrated at his lack of diversifying his material.
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Post by Naos on Jun 10, 2019 22:36:39 GMT -5
Hot 100: #32 (+12) Country Airplay: #7 (-1) Country Songs: #3 (+3) Adult Pop Songs: #22 (+3)
Canadian Hot 100: #33 (+19)
Rhett's album tracks on the charts.
Notice Bubbling Under Hot 100: #14 (debut) Country Songs: #21 (debut) Digital Song Sales: #12 (debut)
Center Point Road Country Songs: #31 (+2)
Blessed Country Songs: #39 (debut)
"Look What God Gave Her" outpeaks "Die a Happy Man" on Adult Pop Songs. It also ties "It Goes Like This" for his highest peak in Canada.
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Post by Naos on Jun 12, 2019 14:05:38 GMT -5
Sorry for the double post, but this is now Top 20 on Hot AC.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 13, 2019 2:42:03 GMT -5
This is looking like a Mediabase-only #1. "Rumor" by Lee Brice will probably be #1 on Billboard next week, with Thomas taking the Mediabase #1 and peaking at #2 or #3 on Billboard, depending on if he can stay ahead of Blake Shelton's "God's Country." That seems fair considering the numbers suggest Lee and Blake have the bigger hits and this is a bit of an under-performer for Thomas' standards. I'll be glad to see an end to the "everyone gets a turn" situation we tend to see a lot at country radio.
Actually, this year has been a lot better about only the biggest hits getting #1 on Billboard. We've only had 12 number one songs so far on Billboard this year, and it's been sticking to a pattern of a few big hits that spend a bunch of weeks at #1 with an occasional one-weeker sneaking in a week in between with lower peak numbers, the way a natural chart should work. The slightly weaker hits manage to get #1 on Mediabase, which is fine with me. I've been liking what I see this year.
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Post by Naos on Jun 13, 2019 2:54:35 GMT -5
This is looking like a Mediabase-only #1. "Rumor" by Lee Brice will probably be #1 on Billboard next week, with Thomas taking the Mediabase #1 and peaking at #2 or #3 on Billboard, depending on if he can stay ahead of Blake Shelton's "God's Country." That seems fair considering the numbers suggest Lee and Blake have the bigger hits I'd agree regarding Shelton, but Brice, I'd say about the same level, if not this is the bigger one, given it's a crossover hit, and while Brice has more streaming overall, that could be part of the fact it's been on radio and released for far longer. This song has done better than "Craving You" commercially. I don't think you could say this is "underperforming" in any objective sense.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 13, 2019 2:59:48 GMT -5
This is looking like a Mediabase-only #1. "Rumor" by Lee Brice will probably be #1 on Billboard next week, with Thomas taking the Mediabase #1 and peaking at #2 or #3 on Billboard, depending on if he can stay ahead of Blake Shelton's "God's Country." That seems fair considering the numbers suggest Lee and Blake have the bigger hits I'd agree regarding Shelton, but Brice, I'd say about the same level, if not this is the bigger one, given it's a crossover hit, and while Brice has more streaming overall, that could be part of the fact it's been on radio and released for far longer. This song has done better than "Craving You" commercially. I don't think you could say this is "underperforming" in any objective sense. I'm just looking at the callouts. This was all the way down at #17 with 19% negative and 7.3% burn, while Lee was at #10 with 13% negative and 6.7% burn. This really reminds me of "Light It Up," a lead single from an A-lister that slightly under-performed with listener response. For reasons explained before, I don't consider streaming at all when evaluating a hit.
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Post by Naos on Jun 13, 2019 3:01:12 GMT -5
I'd agree regarding Shelton, but Brice, I'd say about the same level, if not this is the bigger one, given it's a crossover hit, and while Brice has more streaming overall, that could be part of the fact it's been on radio and released for far longer. This song has done better than "Craving You" commercially. I don't think you could say this is "underperforming" in any objective sense. I'm just looking at the callouts. This was all the way down at #17 with 19% negative and 7.3% burn, while Lee was at #10 with 13% negative and 6.7% burn. This really reminds me of "Light It Up," a lead single from an A-lister that slightly under-performed with listener response. For reasons explained before, I don't consider streaming at all when evaluating a hit. Well, you're using a definition of "hit" literally no one else uses.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 13, 2019 3:03:30 GMT -5
I'm just looking at the callouts. This was all the way down at #17 with 19% negative and 7.3% burn, while Lee was at #10 with 13% negative and 6.7% burn. This really reminds me of "Light It Up," a lead single from an A-lister that slightly under-performed with listener response. For reasons explained before, I don't consider streaming at all when evaluating a hit. Well, you're using a definition of "hit" literally no one else uses. You mean research based on country radio listeners' opinions? That's some 40 million people. Why does no one else use it, seriously?
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Post by Naos on Jun 13, 2019 3:06:18 GMT -5
Well, you're using a definition of "hit" literally no one else uses. You mean research based on country radio listeners' opinions? That's some 40 million people. Why does no one else use it, seriously? "Hit" typically refers to chart performance, and I'm pretty sure callout doesn't ask the opinions of 40 million people.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 13, 2019 3:08:42 GMT -5
You mean research based on country radio listeners' opinions? That's some 40 million people. Why does no one else use it, seriously? "Hit" typically refers to chart performance, and I'm pretty sure callout doesn't ask the opinions of 40 million people. It randomly samples country radio listeners, which are representative of the audience of 40 million people. It's just like a poll. That's how you scientifically figure out what a large body of people are thinking. It's a lot better than iTunes or streaming, which just hit a few thousand people who don't even necessarily listen to country radio. Basically, I just stick to radio and ignore the sales and streaming. It's a waaaaay bigger audience..
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Post by Naos on Jun 13, 2019 3:15:57 GMT -5
"Hit" typically refers to chart performance, and I'm pretty sure callout doesn't ask the opinions of 40 million people. It randomly samples country radio listeners, which are representative of the audience of 40 million people. It's just like a poll. That's how you scientifically figure out what a large body of people are thinking. It's a lot better than iTunes or streaming, which just hit a few thousand people who don't even necessarily listen to country radio. Basically, I just stick to radio and ignore the sales and streaming. It's a waaaaay bigger audience.. That's not how science works when it comes to data, really. Having a bigger pool isn't inherently better. A lot of radio listeners are much more passive than sales or steaming. Same reason Pandora isn't comparable to Spotify or Apple Music. Sales and streaming also show indication of who actually likes the song.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 13, 2019 3:28:39 GMT -5
It randomly samples country radio listeners, which are representative of the audience of 40 million people. It's just like a poll. That's how you scientifically figure out what a large body of people are thinking. It's a lot better than iTunes or streaming, which just hit a few thousand people who don't even necessarily listen to country radio. Basically, I just stick to radio and ignore the sales and streaming. It's a waaaaay bigger audience.. That's not how science works when it comes to data, really. Having a bigger pool isn't inherently better. A lot of radio listeners are much more passive than sales or steaming. Same reason Pandora isn't comparable to Spotify or Apple Music. Sales and streaming also show indication of who actually likes the song. Basically, radio surveys the people who are listening and finds that they prefer Lee's record to Thomas', so why shouldn't they play Thomas' record more? Because some people somewhere else are listening to the song on Spotify? Seems we have another chart, Hot Country Songs, to reward songs for doing well in streaming.
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Post by Naos on Jun 13, 2019 4:06:18 GMT -5
That's not how science works when it comes to data, really. Having a bigger pool isn't inherently better. A lot of radio listeners are much more passive than sales or steaming. Same reason Pandora isn't comparable to Spotify or Apple Music. Sales and streaming also show indication of who actually likes the song. Basically, radio surveys the people who are listening and finds that they prefer Lee's record to Thomas', so why shouldn't they play Thomas' record more? Because some people somewhere else are listening to the song on Spotify? Seems we have another chart, Hot Country Songs, to reward songs for doing well in streaming. Looking solely at radio for what is a "hit" is still asinine. Given a lot of #1 hits can be easily forgotten, and I'm sure this song will remain in the public consciousness more than a lot of #1s, even if it doesn't hit it. Definitely will be more remembered than stuff like "Legends" or "Love Ain't" or "Good As You".
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Post by travelrocks24 on Jun 13, 2019 9:52:37 GMT -5
How are callouts done?
Going back to this song, as much as I dislike it, I am glad this cracked the top 20 on Billboard Hot 100, as it is difficult for country songs to reach that threshold.
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Post by recordyear on Jun 13, 2019 9:56:36 GMT -5
Going back to this song, as much as I dislike it, I am glad this cracked the top 20 on Billboard Hot 100, as it is difficult for country songs to reach that threshold. It was only #32 this week...
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