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Post by CoJoFan on Jan 25, 2019 9:52:08 GMT -5
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 25, 2019 10:01:32 GMT -5
After all this time, Hunter, bud, this is the best you can come up with?
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 25, 2019 11:31:08 GMT -5
It's sad how hard he fell off. I really, really enjoyed him during his debut era and I also liked his second album a lot too. It's sad that "Invisible" completely torpedoed all of his momentum and radio just moved right on. Like bigfan101 seemed to indicate above, this song doesn't seem like the strongest comeback effort, especially after a string of flops and then a 2 year break from radio. I can't say I'm expecting this to do much. I do like the song just fine -- I enjoy the majority of the music he's put out -- but he hasn't been relevant in 5 years now already (it almost feels crazy that it's been that long though, lol) and they'd really need quite the perfect storm to get him another hit again.
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Post by Kat5Kind on Jan 25, 2019 13:27:20 GMT -5
Y’all do know he’s been putting out songs sporadically for a while, right?
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Post by Kat5Kind on Jan 25, 2019 13:28:47 GMT -5
Also, I’ll believe there’s a new album when I see it at this point. He’s been saying that forever! I hope we get Wild Blue at some point.
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 25, 2019 13:38:47 GMT -5
Also, I’ll believe there’s a new album when I see it at this point. He’s been saying that forever! Lots of artists say that stuff. The truth was they didn't want to release a full-length album without a hit at country radio, which Hunter hasn't had in a few years. Atlantic/Warner has been content in keeping Hunter as a non-radio artist the last little while and when they have a chance, release a single to radio. Warner likes to have a set timeline for promoting singles with their artists at radio and considering Hunter's lack of success at radio, I think that gap in time was greater than other artists. It hasn't been officially sent to radio yet but I'm sure it's around the corner.
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Post by jimmy's carhartt on Jan 25, 2019 17:27:04 GMT -5
It's sad how hard he fell off. I really, really enjoyed him during his debut era and I also liked his second album a lot too. It's sad that "Invisible" completely torpedoed all of his momentum and radio just moved right on. Like bigfan101 seemed to indicate above, this song doesn't seem like the strongest comeback effort, especially after a string of flops and then a 2 year break from radio. I can't say I'm expecting this to do much. I do like the song just fine -- I enjoy the majority of the music he's put out -- but he hasn't been relevant in 5 years now already (it almost feels crazy that it's been that long though, lol) and they'd really need quite the perfect storm to get him another hit again. Seriously! What happened to this guy? He was always going to have a hard time escaping the pigeon-hole of being the "Wanted" hearthrob kid, but his album had a lot of promise. Everything since has been boring, lifeless shlop.
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Post by Naos on Jan 25, 2019 17:53:43 GMT -5
#74 on iTunes. He somehow still has a fanbase.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 25, 2019 17:57:23 GMT -5
#74 on iTunes. He somehow still has a fanbase. Considering how big he was in 2012-2013, I am not shocked he has a fanbase that is pretty passionate as well. He's a decently recognizable name mainly due to "Wanted" being such a huge hit in 2012.
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Post by trustypepper on Jan 25, 2019 18:04:21 GMT -5
I’m still appalled that he hit a wall a few years ago like he did. But his consistent mediocre material is solely to blame for that as far as I’m concerned.
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Post by Naos on Jan 25, 2019 18:09:00 GMT -5
#74 on iTunes. He somehow still has a fanbase. Considering how big he was in 2012-2013, I am not shocked he has a fanbase that is pretty passionate as well. He's a decently recognizable name mainly due to "Wanted" being such a huge hit in 2012. I guess you could say him and Carly Rae Jepsen are in similar positions then (except her songs sell/stream a little better). I do hope he can make a comeback like Scotty McCreery.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Jan 25, 2019 19:29:02 GMT -5
I've always wanted to root for him because of how much I loooooved Wanted, but the material has just never been there. :/
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jan 25, 2019 21:27:18 GMT -5
I thought that "Wanted" was teenybopper-pandering garbage. It had no melody, he had no presence, and the lyrics were beyond banal. "Storm Warning" was by far his best single, since it actually had a pulse and energy, and wasn't soulless pop. To be fair, "I Want Crazy" was decent too.
"Invisible" felt well-intentioned but didn't really seem to fit in anywhere with radio. "21" was hilariously bad simply because of the lyric "party like we just turned 21" coming from a person who both looks and sounds like he's still in the third grade.
At least he finally sounds like his balls have begun to drop, or that could just be the hideous autotone. This sounds like Justin Bieber, Dan + Shay, Maroon 5, and Sam Hunt thrown in a blender. There's no soul or energy to it, nor is there any hint of country. Why not just let Hunter play to his strengths and upbringing, and do something that actually sounds like a kid who grew up winning talent contests in Louisiana, instead of all this manufactured, bland stuff that he's been churning out for nearly his entire run on Atlantic? Is this really the kind of music he WANTS to make?
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Post by recordyear on Jan 26, 2019 0:10:56 GMT -5
I guess you could say him and Carly Rae Jepsen are in similar positions then (except her songs sell/stream a little better). Except Call Me Maybe is the best selling digital single in 2012 and a worldwide hit. Her peaks are definitely much higher than Hunter Hayes. Back on the topic, I don't see his talents in this song much. Certainly won't know he is multi-instrumentalist from this song as he sounds like faceless newbies on radio these days.
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Post by Naos on Jan 26, 2019 0:15:50 GMT -5
I thought that "Wanted" was teenybopper-pandering garbage. It had no melody, he had no presence, and the lyrics were beyond banal. "Storm Warning" was by far his best single, since it actually had a pulse and energy, and wasn't soulless pop. To be fair, "I Want Crazy" was decent too. "Invisible" felt well-intentioned but didn't really seem to fit in anywhere with radio. "21" was hilariously bad simply because of the lyric "party like we just turned 21" coming from a person who both looks and sounds like he's still in the third grade. At least he finally sounds like his balls have begun to drop, or that could just be the hideous autotone. This sounds like Justin Bieber, Dan + Shay, Maroon 5, and Sam Hunt thrown in a blender. There's no soul or energy to it, nor is there any hint of country. Why not just let Hunter play to his strengths and upbringing, and do something that actually sounds like a kid who grew up winning talent contests in Louisiana, instead of all this manufactured, bland stuff that he's been churning out for nearly his entire run on Atlantic? Is this really the kind of music he WANTS to make? "It had no melody". The melody was literally at the beginning in the piano, and you can hear it play throughout the song. It's simple in its lyrics, but effective. Not every song needs to be complex. As for his voice, "begun to drop"? You know, your voice continuously matures, right? Not a lot of people sound the same at 18, than they do at 30. And Hunter was around 18-19 when his self-titled album was recorded. Tenors like Hayes at 18 rarely have the bass and heaviness that basses and baritones do. And I can't be positive on this, but I'm pretty sure most male country singers, especially the more popular ones, are baritones. Young tenors tend to have boyish tones (and some outright sound like women), and some still do when they get older until they hit around their 30s. Also, I'm not sure if you knew, but pop country is still country music. Aside from this comment, I'm curious as to why "Dear God" never went to radio. I loved that one for a while, and it got a decent amount of streams. Wasted opportunity in my opinion. I don't mind this though, it's decent. I guess you could say him and Carly Rae Jepsen are in similar positions then (except her songs sell/stream a little better). Except Call Me Maybe is the best selling digital single in 2012 and a worldwide hit. Her peaks are definitely much higher than Hunter Hayes. Back on the topic, I don't see his talents in this song much. Certainly won't know he is multi-instrumentalist from this song as he sounds like faceless newbies on radio these days. I meant more their huge falls from grace. Not the success between the two. They both were primed to become hugely successful, only to flounder and only have a dedicated small cult fanbase.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jan 26, 2019 1:35:47 GMT -5
"It had no melody". The melody was literally at the beginning in the piano, and you can hear it play throughout the song. It's simple in its lyrics, but effective. Not every song needs to be complex. It has a very limited melody. The main piano riff literally uses four notes. Half of the melody is the same major fourth drop repeated ad nauseam. There's also a difference between simple and boring. "Wanted" has absolutely nothing even remotely original from a lyrical standpoint, which IMO works with the bland melody and Hunter's prepubescent sounding voice to make for a very dry, uninteresting listening experience. Country totally has a place for tenors. Look at Vince Gill. The difference is that Vince has a maturity to his voice. But almost every song I've heard from Hunter, he has zero maturity to his tone. This song was recorded by a 27-year-old, yet to my ears he sounds like a 12-year-old. He sounds less mature to my ears than Mason Ramsey, who actually is 12. At least that's some growth over sounding like an 8-year-old on "21", which actually made me laugh out loud the first time I heard it, but I am still amazed at how utterly immature and childish Hunter's voice sounds.
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Post by Naos on Jan 26, 2019 2:34:20 GMT -5
Country totally has a place for tenors. Look at Vince Gill. The difference is that Vince has a maturity to his voice. But almost every song I've heard from Hunter, he has zero maturity to his tone. This song was recorded by a 27-year-old, yet to my ears he sounds like a 12-year-old. He sounds less mature to my ears than Mason Ramsey, who actually is 12. At least that's some growth over sounding like an 8-year-old on "21", which actually made me laugh out loud the first time I heard it, but I am still amazed at how utterly immature and childish Hunter's voice sounds. And how old is Vince Gill now? Right. 61 (and his voice also matured from "Turn Me Loose"). As I said, tenors take more time to sound "manly" enough for you. Look to the pop world (because tenors are far more common). Justin Timberlake and Drake Bell are both in their 30s, yet their voices are still light and youthful, as they were when they were teenagers. Not exactly the same, as their voices have matured, but they still sound younger than they actually are and don't have very "mature" singing, or even talking voices. Alec Benjamin sounds like a little boy to a lot of people despite being 24. Kengo Nishioka of the J-pop group MAG!C☆PRINCE and Mitch Grassi of Pentatonix sound like women sometimes, despite both being in their 20s. Elton John used to be tenor in his younger years, but as he started nearing his 30s, he got more of a baritone. Even if tenors stick to being tenors, they will likely never sound as "mature" as a baritone or bass will. I'm pretty sure you're exaggerating that Hunter sounds 8, because he would basically have to be a castrato for that to be possible. I'm not sure what kind of voice you expect from a guy who can't sing lower than a probably a B2 and sounds like he talks in the mid third octave. He does NOT sound like a little boy. Go listen to some children's choirs or something, and you can hear with children actually sound like. Complaining about a lack of originality is ridiculous. Everyone's taken influence from someone else. Nothing is original. "Wanted" is a love song, and there's only so many ways you can go about it. And this one just happened to be about making someone feel wanted. You don't need some fancy melody, because that's not what the song is supposed to be. There isn't much even to really complain about, though it seems you keep going for your typical contrarian opinion. Can't wait for this to be the "Life Changes" thread part 2.
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Post by austin on Jan 26, 2019 8:55:40 GMT -5
I can’t stand his voice - he sounds like a slightly better Rascal Flatts. But I LOVED Everybody’s Got Somebody But Me, which they pulled early. I am stunned to see he still has a record deal.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jan 26, 2019 12:00:34 GMT -5
I forgot "Everybody's Got Somebody but Me". I liked that one too.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jan 26, 2019 12:08:43 GMT -5
And how old is Vince Gill now? Right. 61 (and his voice also matured from "Turn Me Loose"). As I said, tenors take more time to sound "manly" enough for you. Look to the pop world (because tenors are far more common). Justin Timberlake and Drake Bell are both in their 30s, yet their voices are still light and youthful, as they were when they were teenagers. Not exactly the same, as their voices have matured, but they still sound younger than they actually are and don't have very "mature" singing, or even talking voices. Alec Benjamin sounds like a little boy to a lot of people despite being 24. Kengo Nishioka of the J-pop group MAG!C☆PRINCE and Mitch Grassi of Pentatonix sound like women sometimes, despite both being in their 20s. Elton John used to be tenor in his younger years, but as he started nearing his 30s, he got more of a baritone. Even if tenors stick to being tenors, they will likely never sound as "mature" as a baritone or bass will. I'm pretty sure you're exaggerating that Hunter sounds 8, because he would basically have to be a castrato for that to be possible. I'm not sure what kind of voice you expect from a guy who can't sing lower than a probably a B2 and sounds like he talks in the mid third octave. He does NOT sound like a little boy. Go listen to some children's choirs or something, and you can hear with children actually sound like. It's not the range per se. It's the thinness of Hunter's voice that makes him still sound childish. Higher voices can still have "body" and force behind them. But Hunter's voice is still extremely thin, which makes him sound younger beyond just his range on the scale. Gary LeVox also has an extremely high voice, but there's a force and "oomph" to it that makes it not sound childish. I am far from the only person who dislikes "Wanted". I've made it clear before that I don't like limited melodies because I find them boring to listen to. I also don't like romantic lyrics much. "Wanted" is massively unappealing to me, but at no point did I badmouth anyone who happens to like it.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Jan 26, 2019 12:26:44 GMT -5
I forgot about Storm Warning too-- he's actually had TWO songs I've liked! :o
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Post by Naos on Jan 26, 2019 14:07:38 GMT -5
And how old is Vince Gill now? Right. 61 (and his voice also matured from "Turn Me Loose"). As I said, tenors take more time to sound "manly" enough for you. Look to the pop world (because tenors are far more common). Justin Timberlake and Drake Bell are both in their 30s, yet their voices are still light and youthful, as they were when they were teenagers. Not exactly the same, as their voices have matured, but they still sound younger than they actually are and don't have very "mature" singing, or even talking voices. Alec Benjamin sounds like a little boy to a lot of people despite being 24. Kengo Nishioka of the J-pop group MAG!C☆PRINCE and Mitch Grassi of Pentatonix sound like women sometimes, despite both being in their 20s. Elton John used to be tenor in his younger years, but as he started nearing his 30s, he got more of a baritone. Even if tenors stick to being tenors, they will likely never sound as "mature" as a baritone or bass will. I'm pretty sure you're exaggerating that Hunter sounds 8, because he would basically have to be a castrato for that to be possible. I'm not sure what kind of voice you expect from a guy who can't sing lower than a probably a B2 and sounds like he talks in the mid third octave. He does NOT sound like a little boy. Go listen to some children's choirs or something, and you can hear with children actually sound like. It's not the range per se. It's the thinness of Hunter's voice that makes him still sound childish. Higher voices can still have "body" and force behind them. But Hunter's voice is still extremely thin, which makes him sound younger beyond just his range on the scale. Gary LeVox also has an extremely high voice, but there's a force and "oomph" to it that makes it not sound childish. I am far from the only person who dislikes "Wanted". I've made it clear before that I don't like limited melodies because I find them boring to listen to. I also don't like romantic lyrics much. "Wanted" is massively unappealing to me, but at no point did I badmouth anyone who happens to like it. You know, you keep pointing to older tenors. Levox's voice has also matured. Give me a young tenor whose voice doesn't sound thin. Most who don't sound this way have been in voice training for most of their lives. And most singers outside of classical/choral music don't have a ton of professional training. A tenor's voice, in popular music, will always sound less heavy than a baritone. It's kind of a characteristic of the tenor voice. Otherwise, you basically have a baritenor. A baritenor has the heaviness and darker timbre of a baritone, but more of a tenor's range. That's what you're looking for. If you have a certain voice type, it's basically what you have to deal with. Sure, you can work to darken or brighten up, but you'll never as a voice type that isn't yours. It's incredibly odd to complain about defining characteristics of voice types. "His voice sounds thin and high!", well uh... that's what makes tenors tenors, dude. I'm not even going to address that last part since it's all personal opinion like a hip-hop listener who just doesn't like country or pop. But the main takeaway is pointing out a lack of originality is inane.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 26, 2019 15:38:06 GMT -5
I can’t stand his voice - he sounds like a slightly better Rascal Flatts. But I LOVED Everybody’s Got Somebody But Me, which they pulled early. I am stunned to see he still has a record deal. I recently covered Everybody's Got Somebody But Me in the One Hit Wonders thread. This is what I said (plus video): One of the rules in this thread is the following: 2. The example must be at least five years old. That means today's example just graduated to one hit wonder status. It is five years and one month old. Jason Mraz is not a one hit wonder on pop and adult contemporary charts. In country, he is. He managed to be one with Hunter Hayes via a duet called Everybody's Got Somebody But Me. That came from the deluxe version of Hayes' debut album. Hunter Hayes Encore was released in 2013. 'Lead single' I Want Crazy peaked at #2. Second and final single, Everybody's Got Somebody But Me was released in August and peaked at #15 in December. Artists-Hunter Hayes and Jason Mraz Single-Everybody's Got Somebody But Me Writers-David Brainard, Jennifer Zuffinetti, and Hunter Hayes Producers-Dann Huff and Hunter Hayes Album-Hunter Hayes Encore Label-Atlantic Year Released-2013 Billboard Peak-#15 BILLBOARD TOP TWENTY FOR WEEK ENDING DECEMBER 21, 2013: 1. Carolina-Parmalee-Stoney Creek 2. We Were Us-Keith Urban and Miranda Lambert-Capitol 3. Drunk Last Night-Eli Young Band-Republic Nashville 4. Sunny And 75-Joe Nichols-Red Bow 5. Stay-Florida Georgia Line-Republic Nashville 6. Radio-Darius Rucker-Capitol 7. Red-Taylor Swift-Big Machine 8. Don't Let Me Be Lonely-the Band Perry-Republic Nashville 9. Sweet Annie-Zac Brown Band-Atlantic 10. Friday Night-Eric Paslay-EMI 11. Chillin' It-Cole Swindell-Warner Bros. 12. Wasting All These Tears-Cassadee Pope-Republic Nashville 13. Whatever She's Got-David Nail-MCA 14. Drink A Beer-Luke Bryan-Capitol 15. EVERYBODY'S GOT SOMEBODY BUT ME-HUNTER HAYES AND JASON MRAZ-ATLANTIC 16. Up All Night-Jon Pardi-Capitol 17. Compass-Lady Antebellum-Capitol 18. When She Says Baby-Jason Aldean-Broken Bow 19. Helluva Life-Frankie Ballard-Warner Bros. 20. Days Of Gold-Jake Owen-RCA
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Post by thirddegree50123 on Jan 26, 2019 16:17:25 GMT -5
This song is nothing special but I'm rooting. His first album is one of my top 10 favorite albums of all time. I was shocked by how poorly his second album did. I thought "Invisible" was a terrible lead single choice IMO but "Tattoo" was fantastic. I thought for sure that would be big. There were several other single-worthy songs on that album as well. Looking forward to more new stuff from him
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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 26, 2019 21:05:25 GMT -5
I am kind of shocked Warner Bros is still with him. This song sounds pretty boring and sounds like something that would die out in the 30s and 40s.
The label was so stupid for releasing "Invisible" back in early 2014, the peak of bro-country. That song wasn't lead single material at all, Hunter Hayes wasn't established enough to have that be a single in the first place, and being released in the environment that was early 2014 was such a bad idea. I don't think Hunter Hayes should've released a pure bro track like what FGL was releasing at the time ("This Is How We Roll") at that time, but something like "I Want Crazy" lite probably could've easily kept his momentum up with radio.
Honestly both him and Kip Moore were headed for a great 2014 and both really bungled it up that year horribly with terrible single choices ("Invisible", "Young Love", "Dirt Road", and maybe "Tattoo"). Kip Moore somewhat recovered (although I doubt he ever reaches the highs of his success with radio in 2012-2013), but I do think Hunter Hayes radio career is about done, especially considering how bad "Yesterday's Song" flopped a couple years ago (didn't even make the Top 40).
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Post by CoJoFan on Jan 26, 2019 21:14:48 GMT -5
^ I actually thought Kip was going to have a hit with “Young Love”. I thought it was a pretty good song.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 26, 2019 21:22:16 GMT -5
^ I actually thought Kip was going to have a hit with “Young Love”. I thought it was a pretty good song. I knew the first time I heard that song it was destined to fail in the radio climate that was 2014. Just didn't fit in well with what was popular. I liked the song, but I sensed a flop from the first time I listened to it.
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Post by rsmatto on Jan 26, 2019 23:47:23 GMT -5
While I like this and think it has a chance (it IS the lead single from a new record, according to PR), I still think “Dear God” was a missed opportunity. This one has a decent rhythm and flow but I liked how “Dear God” wasn’t a love song.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 13, 2019 13:54:13 GMT -5
According to the CRS print special sent out today, "Heartbreak" impacts country radio on March 25th.
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Post by recordyear on Feb 14, 2019 11:20:51 GMT -5
Music video.
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