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Post by Gary on Feb 2, 2019 21:38:54 GMT -5
That's true, but Kelly's song was all over playlists on AM & Spotify. Cozy Little Christmas got enough airplay and Amazon music streams to get it to #53, which would not have happened if people did not like the song or her for that matter. Holiday songs shouldn't be used as a barometer for general popularity. Look at Pentatonix. One of the biggest Christmas acts out there. |
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Post by Naos on Feb 3, 2019 1:34:49 GMT -5
That's true, but Kelly's song was all over playlists on AM & Spotify. Cozy Little Christmas got enough airplay and Amazon music streams to get it to #53, which would not have happened if people did not like the song or her for that matter. Holiday songs shouldn't be used as a barometer for general popularity. Look at Pentatonix. Outside of their Holiday output, they have six Top 10 albums (including a #1), and three of their singles went Gold. So, yeah, they're still pretty popular outside of the holidays. You have to take into account they get practically zero airplay outside of the holidays, but Perry does get airplay outside of it. |
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Post by hot100predictions on Feb 3, 2019 1:57:07 GMT -5
Any Marshmello songs making a rebound this week? I know that thing he did with Fortnite blew up so figuring Alone might re-enter low, but still. Happier will also probably rise a spot or two. Impressive what a game can do to an artist's popularity nowadays.
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Post by Naos on Feb 3, 2019 3:04:00 GMT -5
Any Marshmello songs making a rebound this week? I know that thing he did with Fortnite blew up so figuring Alone might re-enter low, but still. Happier will also probably rise a spot or two. Impressive what a game can do to an artist's popularity nowadays. I don't think "Alone" will re-enter. All it has is increased sales, really. "Happier" may get a modest boost though. But yeah, games let Utada Hikaru chart. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Feb 3, 2019 3:18:19 GMT -5
Any Marshmello songs making a rebound this week? I know that thing he did with Fortnite blew up so figuring Alone might re-enter low, but still. Happier will also probably rise a spot or two. Impressive what a game can do to an artist's popularity nowadays. Not that Drake needed any help but that thing he did with Ninja last year was huge, Fortnite is a really big game. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Feb 3, 2019 4:54:57 GMT -5
Nicki, in an episode of her Queen Radio show on Apple Music, confirmed that she was done with her follow-up album to #Queen and that her label was readying the first single. She also dropped two unofficial freestyles yesterday - one using the Meek Mill & Drake song, Going Bad, and the other using the Lil Baby & Gunna song, Drip Too Hard. I'm thinking we see even more album releases this year from major stars than we did last year.
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Post by mako on Feb 3, 2019 5:40:01 GMT -5
Any Marshmello songs making a rebound this week? I know that thing he did with Fortnite blew up so figuring Alone might re-enter low, but still. Happier will also probably rise a spot or two. Impressive what a game can do to an artist's popularity nowadays. And Epic Games released a Marshmello skin with a pickaxe that plays "Alone" when you smack it which can make it stuck in some peoples heads and make them stream it |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 6:46:53 GMT -5
We don't need Trashmello to pollute the Hot 100 further. Please and thank you.
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Post by kierz7 on Feb 3, 2019 6:56:37 GMT -5
It not 2013 Katy is definitely no longer an A lister Lol, okay. She's literally one of the highest paid female musicians and her latest tour did well. One album era that isn't super successful does not instantly kill one's career. And if I recall, CTTR and Witness both did well in their first weeks while the two "flop" singles still did really well in streaming, especially when their videos dropped. Someone who isn't a top celebrity isn't going to have that. Hell, she just had a Christmas track reach #53 on the Hot 100, and it was only available on Amazon. Amazon. Not Spotify, not Apple Music, not Google Play, not YouTube, not Pandora, not even Tidal. Amazon, one of the least popular music streaming services. And she still had that big of a draw for a cheesy Christmas track. If that's not enough proof to you that millions of people are still checking for Katy Perry, then you're a lost cause and this conversation is over because I'm not talking to a brick wall. Anyway, for what it's worth, Rihanna confirmed those were just rumors. What exactly are you trying to defend? LMFAO. The “Witness” era was and will remain one of the biggest flop eras of all time, particularly in the U.S where the album has yet to surpass 250K sales and has barely moved over 1M SPS units. The album itself stayed on the Billboard 200 for only 20 weeks and the only reason it sold marginally well in its first week was because of the tour bundles. As for the singles Hot 100 performance, they all performed abysmally. “Chained To The Rhythm”: #4 “Bon Appétit”: #59 “Swish Swish”: #46 Her last tour did not perform well at all and was a disaster in both attendance and gross and if we are/were to compare it to the “PRISM” tour the results would be heavily embarrassing. @drakeisskinny was completely correct in what he said. It is no longer 2013, a solo Katy Perry release is not going to be a threat to absolutely any high-profile musician in 2019 and especially now that we’re so deep into the streaming era unless she featured on a Bruno Mars, Rihanna, Ariana Grande, Drake, Cardi B etc. track |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Feb 3, 2019 8:09:37 GMT -5
What exactly are you trying to defend? LMFAO. The “Witness” era was and will remain one of the biggest flop eras of all time, particularly in the U.S where the album has yet to surpass 250K sales and has barely moved over 1M SPS units. The album itself stayed on the Billboard 200 for only 20 weeks and the only reason it sold marginally well in its first week was because of the tour bundles. As for the singles Hot 100 performance, they all performed abysmally. “Chained To The Rhythm”: #4 “Bon Appétit”: #59 “Swish Swish”: #46 Her last tour did not perform well at all and was a disaster in both attendance and gross and if we are/were to compare it to the “PRISM” tour the results would be heavily embarrassing. @drakeisskinny was completely correct in what he said. It is no longer 2013, a solo Katy Perry release is not going to be a threat to absolutely any high-profile musician in 2019 and especially now that we’re so deep into the streaming era unless she featured on a Bruno Mars, Rihanna, Ariana Grande, Drake, Cardi B etc. track One of the biggest flop eras of all time? What? You clearly don't know what THE REAL FLOP IS. Witness has over 3 billion streams WW. Chained To The Rhythm 5.5 million SPS WW (2.1 million US)Bon Appetit 2.3 million WW (1 million US)Swish Swish 3.6 million WW (1.6 million US)
+ Feels Yeah, Roar has more streams and SPS than these 3 together, but still, it's not THAT BAD. CTTR performed ABYSMALLY? Okay. I like her music and imo, her last era was cringe af (not counting CTTR) and I had zero interest for Witness. With the right song and behavior and promotion, she'll be just fine. |
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Post by kierz7 on Feb 3, 2019 8:57:02 GMT -5
What exactly are you trying to defend? LMFAO. The “Witness” era was and will remain one of the biggest flop eras of all time, particularly in the U.S where the album has yet to surpass 250K sales and has barely moved over 1M SPS units. The album itself stayed on the Billboard 200 for only 20 weeks and the only reason it sold marginally well in its first week was because of the tour bundles. As for the singles Hot 100 performance, they all performed abysmally. “Chained To The Rhythm”: #4 “Bon Appétit”: #59 “Swish Swish”: #46 Her last tour did not perform well at all and was a disaster in both attendance and gross and if we are/were to compare it to the “PRISM” tour the results would be heavily embarrassing. @drakeisskinny was completely correct in what he said. It is no longer 2013, a solo Katy Perry release is not going to be a threat to absolutely any high-profile musician in 2019 and especially now that we’re so deep into the streaming era unless she featured on a Bruno Mars, Rihanna, Ariana Grande, Drake, Cardi B etc. track One of the biggest flop eras of all time? What? You clearly don't know what THE REAL FLOP IS. Witness has over 3 billion streams WW. Chained To The Rhythm 5.5 million SPS WW (2.1 million US)Bon Appetit 2.3 million WW (1 million US)Swish Swish 3.6 million WW (1.6 million US)
+ Feels Yeah, Roar has more streams and SPS than these 3 together, but still, it's not THAT BAD. CTTR performed ABYSMALLY? Okay. I like her music and imo, her last era was cringe af (not counting CTTR) and I had zero interest for Witness. With the right song and behavior and promotion, she'll be just fine. The “Witness” era remains one of the biggest flops of all-time across all platforms and it is certainly the biggest commercial failure (released by an alleged ‘A-list’ artist this decade) of the streaming era thus far. Moreover, in my original comment, I highlighted its ‘U.S’ performance in particular so its worldwide performance, in this context, is rather irrelevant. The album has yet to cross 1B streams on Spotify overall and has yet to be certified platinum in the U.S. It’s international sales have stalled at 600K and 1.2M SPS units. In what world could we possibly argue that this era was, in some way, shape or form, an even moderate success? The era’s “3B streams” total stem from YouTube primarily, 45% of which are from South American viewers according to YouTube insights. In comparison, the “PRISM” era moved over 10M album equivalents; the”Witness” era moved 9M units less. Now, I’m not disputing that Perry was once a force; the “Teenage Dream” era is one of the top five biggest mainstream musical peaks the past 25 years but that era is long gone. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 3, 2019 9:07:57 GMT -5
Holiday songs shouldn't be used as a barometer for general popularity. Look at Pentatonix. One of the biggest Christmas acts out there. Yes, and they can't get a non-holiday hit. Buble is another. My point is holiday songs can exist separate from an artist's relevance otherwise. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Feb 3, 2019 9:14:09 GMT -5
The “Witness” era remains one of the biggest flops of all-time across all platforms and it is certainly the biggest commercial failure (released by an alleged ‘A-list’ artist this decade) of the streaming era thus far. Moreover, in my original commented, I highlighted its ‘U.S’ performance in particular so its worldwide performance, in this context, is rather irrelevant. The album has yet to cross 1B streams on Spotify overall and has yet to be certified platinum in the U.S. It’s international sales have stalled at 600K and 1.2M SPS units. In what world could we possibly argue that this era was, in some way, shape or form, an even moderate success? The era’s “3B streams” total stem from YouTube primarily, 45% of which are from South American viewers according to YouTube insights. In comparison, the “PRISM” era moved over 10M album equivalents; the”Witness” era moved 9M units less. Now, I’m not disputing that Perry was once a force; the “Teenage Dream” era is one of the top five biggest mainstream musical peaks the past 25 years but that era is long gone. I agree with you, that album is not successful for Katy, but it's not even that horrible. What about Revival by Eminem, Younger Now by Miley, Joanne by Gaga, Liberation and Bionic by Aguilera, Britney Jean and Glory by Britney, Man Of The Woods by Timberlake, Trench by 21 pilots, QUEEN by Nicki...? |
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Post by Choco on Feb 3, 2019 9:22:44 GMT -5
I think Witness was a huge flop for Katy's standards. The Youtube streams are kinda meaningless. JLo also gets a huge amount of love there but the songs are still not hits.
But I also think she could rebound easily if she wasn't taking way too long to come back. Younger audiences are moving on to Ariana, Selena and newer names like Ava Max, Camila, Dua, etc... She hasn't been able to move on to other fields like Lady Gaga, who hasn't cracked top 10 on Pop radio since 2014 but she still remains relevant.
CTTR wasn't abysmal, it's the best song on the project by far and it did manage to go top 10 for a couple weeks... but then it failed to even get 20 weeks on the chart. "Feels" was a hit mostly in Europe, the US has relatively paid dust to Calvin Harris' stuff without Rihanna for a few years now. After three relatively huge eras in a row she was probably due to come back down to earth, and tbh the material is clearly her worst IMO, so it was deserved.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 3, 2019 9:29:51 GMT -5
I think Witness was a huge flop for Katy's standards. The Youtube streams are kinda meaningless. JLo also gets a huge amount of love there but the songs are still not hits. But I also think she could rebound easily if she wasn't taking way too long to come back. Younger audiences are moving on to Ariana, Selena and newer names like Ava Max, Camila, Dua, etc... She hasn't been able to move on to other fields like Lady Gaga, who hasn't cracked top 10 on Pop radio since 2014 but she still remains relevant. CTTR wasn't abysmal, it's the best song on the project by far and it did manage to go top 10 for a couple weeks... but then it failed to even get 20 weeks on the chart. "Feels" was a hit mostly in Europe, the US has relatively paid dust to Calvin Harris' stuff without Rihanna for a few years now. After three relatively huge eras in a row she was probably due to come back down to earth, and tbh the material is clearly her worst IMO, so it was deserved. Honestly the signs were there with Prism considering only 2 of the 5 singles were big hits. It was a big era for her, but at the same time it wasn't as consistent as the previous two albums. And then Witness was worse by far, but in a sense a continuation of a decline. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Feb 3, 2019 9:31:58 GMT -5
Honestly the signs were there with Prism considering only 2 of the 5 singles were big hits. It was a big era for her, but at the same time it wasn't as consistent as the previous two albums. And then Witness was worse by far, but in a sense a continuation of a decline. Yeah, she totally wasted Walking On Air and Legendary Lovers. |
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Post by thelegends on Feb 3, 2019 9:32:08 GMT -5
Any Marshmello songs making a rebound this week? I know that thing he did with Fortnite blew up so figuring Alone might re-enter low, but still. Happier will also probably rise a spot or two. Impressive what a game can do to an artist's popularity nowadays. I don't think "Alone" will re-enter. All it has is increased sales, really. "Happier" may get a modest boost though. But yeah, games let Utada Hikaru chart. Youtube has also massively increased for his songs. All his songs but Wolves had a mass gain. |
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Post by Choco on Feb 3, 2019 9:47:35 GMT -5
As usual, the J. Cole song was frontloaded as hell and already on it's way down.
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Post by moonlite on Feb 3, 2019 10:06:37 GMT -5
As usual, the J. Cole song was frontloaded as hell and already on it's way down. Uh its still doing pretty well for a song that didn’t have that much promotion and no music video. |
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Post by kierz7 on Feb 3, 2019 10:08:09 GMT -5
I think Witness was a huge flop for Katy's standards. The Youtube streams are kinda meaningless. JLo also gets a huge amount of love there but the songs are still not hits. But I also think she could rebound easily if she wasn't taking way too long to come back. Younger audiences are moving on to Ariana, Selena and newer names like Ava Max, Camila, Dua, etc... She hasn't been able to move on to other fields like Lady Gaga, who hasn't cracked top 10 on Pop radio since 2014 but she still remains relevant. CTTR wasn't abysmal, it's the best song on the project by far and it did manage to go top 10 for a couple weeks... but then it failed to even get 20 weeks on the chart. "Feels" was a hit mostly in Europe, the US has relatively paid dust to Calvin Harris' stuff without Rihanna for a few years now. After three relatively huge eras in a row she was probably due to come back down to earth, and tbh the material is clearly her worst IMO, so it was deserved. Honestly the signs were there with Prism considering only 2 of the 5 singles were big hits. It was a big era for her, but at the same time it wasn't as consistent as the previous two albums. And then Witness was worse by far, but in a sense a continuation of a decline. I completely forgot that the “PRISM” era even continued after the success of ‘Dark Horse’. I just listened to the eras latter singles ‘Birthday’ and ‘This Is How We Do’ and it is literally the first time I’ve heard either since 2014. ‘Unconditionally’, sadly, was completely overshadowed by ‘Dark Horse’ while on its way up the charts but it still managed a high top 20 peak which makes it a moderate hit. |
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Post by Gary on Feb 3, 2019 10:11:41 GMT -5
One of the biggest Christmas acts out there. Yes, and they can't get a non-holiday hit. Buble is another. My point is holiday songs can exist separate from an artist's relevance otherwise. It depends on what your definition of a "hit" is. |
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Post by kierz7 on Feb 3, 2019 10:13:55 GMT -5
Why are J.Cole’s songs so damn frontloaded? I honestly don’t understand it.
I feel like the only way he’ll achieve a number one now is through a collaboration with Kendrick Lamar, Travis Scott, Drake etc.
It’s a good things he's massively acclaimed as an artist.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 3, 2019 10:15:48 GMT -5
Why are J.Cole’s songs so damn frontloaded? I honestly don’t understand it. I feel like the only way he’ll achieve a number one now is through a collaboration with Kendrick Lamar, Travis Scott, Drake etc. It’s a good things he's massively acclaimed as an artist. The new song was #2 on U.S. Spotify yesterday, so it's not like it completely fell off after a few days. If it had been released on Friday instead of Thursday, could it not have challenged for #1? |
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Post by lazer on Feb 3, 2019 10:22:31 GMT -5
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Post by pnobelysk on Feb 3, 2019 10:29:11 GMT -5
Why are J.Cole’s songs so damn frontloaded? I honestly don’t understand it. I feel like the only way he’ll achieve a number one now is through a collaboration with Kendrick Lamar, Travis Scott, Drake etc. It’s a good things he's massively acclaimed as an artist. He’s frontloaded because he doesn’t cater to casual music fans. You don’t really see him on the big talk shows or award shows even though he has the sales to warrant it. His base eats up his music but I’m not sure the average radio listener has a strong idea of who he is compared to Arianna, post Malone, drake, etc |
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Post by pnobelysk on Feb 3, 2019 10:32:06 GMT -5
I think Witness was a huge flop for Katy's standards. The Youtube streams are kinda meaningless. JLo also gets a huge amount of love there but the songs are still not hits. But I also think she could rebound easily if she wasn't taking way too long to come back. Younger audiences are moving on to Ariana, Selena and newer names like Ava Max, Camila, Dua, etc... She hasn't been able to move on to other fields like Lady Gaga, who hasn't cracked top 10 on Pop radio since 2014 but she still remains relevant. CTTR wasn't abysmal, it's the best song on the project by far and it did manage to go top 10 for a couple weeks... but then it failed to even get 20 weeks on the chart. "Feels" was a hit mostly in Europe, the US has relatively paid dust to Calvin Harris' stuff without Rihanna for a few years now. After three relatively huge eras in a row she was probably due to come back down to earth, and tbh the material is clearly her worst IMO, so it was deserved. Feels, one kiss, & slide all went top 10 on pop radio. The US is pretty receptive to Calvin. Not as much as Europe, but it certainly gives success to non Rihanna songs |
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Post by pnobelysk on Feb 3, 2019 10:37:05 GMT -5
The “Witness” era remains one of the biggest flops of all-time across all platforms and it is certainly the biggest commercial failure (released by an alleged ‘A-list’ artist this decade) of the streaming era thus far. Moreover, in my original commented, I highlighted its ‘U.S’ performance in particular so its worldwide performance, in this context, is rather irrelevant. The album has yet to cross 1B streams on Spotify overall and has yet to be certified platinum in the U.S. It’s international sales have stalled at 600K and 1.2M SPS units. In what world could we possibly argue that this era was, in some way, shape or form, an even moderate success? The era’s “3B streams” total stem from YouTube primarily, 45% of which are from South American viewers according to YouTube insights. In comparison, the “PRISM” era moved over 10M album equivalents; the”Witness” era moved 9M units less. Now, I’m not disputing that Perry was once a force; the “Teenage Dream” era is one of the top five biggest mainstream musical peaks the past 25 years but that era is long gone. I agree with you, that album is not successful for Katy, but it's not even that horrible. What about Revival by Eminem, Younger Now by Miley, Joanne by Gaga, Liberation and Bionic by Aguilera, Britney Jean and Glory by Britney, Man Of The Woods by Timberlake, Trench by 21 pilots, QUEEN by Nicki...? Someone posted earlier witness has yet to pass 250k, however I wanted to point out it was at 288k at the end up 2017. Comparatively to these artists. Joanne outperformed witness with around triple its US sales and million reasons selling over a million. Revival and Man of the woods outsold witness in a worse sales climate. They both got one solid hit just like witness did. I don’t really see 21 pilots as comparable to the rest of this group. Katy outdid Queen, liberation, and the Britney albums no question asked. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Feb 3, 2019 11:01:59 GMT -5
Someone posted earlier prism has yet to pass 250k, however I wanted to point out it was at 288k at the end up 2017. Comparatively to these artists. Joanne outperformed prism with around triple its US sales and million reasons selling over a million. Revival and Man of the woods outsold prism in a worse sales climate. They both got one solid hit just like prism did. I don’t really see 21 pilots as comparable to the rest of this group. Katy outdid Queen, liberation, and the Britney albums no question asked. You mean Witness? |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Feb 3, 2019 11:45:54 GMT -5
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