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Post by slowmo on Nov 21, 2019 17:27:47 GMT -5
I haven't really cared for much of the music this Grammy cycle so I'm pretty much whatever about the nominations. I hope they'll be able to pull together a good broadcast, but with it being Ken's last year, I expect it to be much more of the same (not that it's bad, just old feeling).
I will say this every year until it is changed... I don't understand why there's not a "Pop Song" category like there is in all the other subcategories. It makes no sense to me, especially since pop is treated as the dumping ground for everything that they don't think fits in other categories.
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Post by Caviar on Nov 21, 2019 17:33:20 GMT -5
Pop Song would simply mirror Song of the Year.
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Post by collegedropout on Nov 21, 2019 21:50:04 GMT -5
I think it's not that they don't view her as a rapper but more so the fact that Cuz I Love You is not really a rap album. I do think, though, along their definitions, Lizzo could have got a Rap/Sung nomination for a majority of her output. If "Hotline Bling" won that category, "7 rings" and "Truth Hurts" (I am aware both are in pop) are not far off. Heck, at least they both have remixes with rap verses. The remixes weren’t submitted, though. But I agree “TH” could have gone Rap/Sung. It was submitted to rapsung but the screening panel rejected it to pop |
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Post by dann on Nov 21, 2019 22:07:33 GMT -5
Did Billie submit another song besides Bad Guy in other categories?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 23:37:59 GMT -5
Pop Song would simply mirror Song of the Year. ROTY winners tend to mirror pop solo and pop duo/group most years, but it doesn't stop them from having those categories anyway. In theory, having a pop song category would lessen pop voters' need or desire to overwhelmingly award SOTY to pop, as it gives them a proper place to recognize that genre. The way things are set up now the Grammys are essentially telling us that pop is superior to other genres as a rule. But I'm kind of an extremist and not only want a pop song award, but would also do away with the general field almost entirely. I'd keep BNA (but rename it breakthrough artist); ditch the rest. |
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Post by leonagwen on Nov 22, 2019 2:55:12 GMT -5
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Post by felipe on Nov 22, 2019 6:47:00 GMT -5
Surprised that Lana got in AOTY over Taylor but happy for her nonetheless. Also, how the hell did Lil Nas X get into AOTY? Considering there's no clear frontrunner in the category I'm holding out hope that maybe Billie can surprise and get it, though I guess Ariana or the critic favorite nominees will get it. I don't think Taylor stood a chance. Lover was not as commercially successful as some of her previous albums, therefore killing any chance of a AOTY nom. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 22, 2019 8:39:53 GMT -5
Pop Song would simply mirror Song of the Year. First of all, that’s not really an argument to not have it. Secondly, I wonder if having Pop Song would actually help diversify SOTY because they could then reward pop songs in another place. It’s not like AOTY mirrors Pop Album. |
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Post by ddlz on Nov 22, 2019 10:05:04 GMT -5
Lmao at Billboard saying Lewis Capaldi, Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift were snubbed. Edit:  |
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Post by Sugar Rush on Nov 22, 2019 11:39:27 GMT -5
How oh how was Maren snubbed? (Billboard) Her album had mediocre reviews, and even the tracks she submitted did not garner much critical support. Why is Billboard continuing with this narrative that she was a huge contender, and it is shocking she did not get nominated? Looking at the country categories, I cannot see anyone who should've been replaced for her - and those albums that maybe did not warrant a nomination (Thomas Rhett) there are still better albums out there that should have been nominated over GIRL. Only snub I agree with is 'Without Me'. It kind of defined 2019, shocking it didn't get SoTY + Pop Solo.. |
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 22, 2019 14:37:39 GMT -5
I feel really bad for Halsey... She's among the top ten popstars right now, released one of the biggest hits of the year and bunch of great tracks as a whole, and still gets treated like this.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 22, 2019 14:41:04 GMT -5
How oh how was Maren snubbed? (Billboard) Her album had mediocre reviews, and even the tracks she submitted did not garner much critical support. Why is Billboard continuing with this narrative that she was a huge contender, and it is shocking she did not get nominated? Looking at the country categories, I cannot see anyone who should've been replaced for her - and those albums that maybe did not warrant a nomination (Thomas Rhett) there are still better albums out there that should have been nominated over GIRL. Only snub I agree with is 'Without Me'. It kind of defined 2019, shocking it didn't get SoTY + Pop Solo.. Maybe Maren’s label is paying Billboard, and/or maybe she gets them views. It’s like how certain sites were saying Harry Styles was going to get noms that one year. |
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Post by Keelzit on Nov 22, 2019 17:28:32 GMT -5
I can't remember the last time the big 3 categories were filled with mainstream female pop chanteuses. The gorls all brought it this year. I want Lana to snatch AOTY and 7 rings to sweep the categories it's in. I like some of Billie's songs but she cringes me to death so if they have to give her something it better be BNA and only that. Lizzo's songs from years ago being attached on the deluxe version of her 2019 album to justify her nominations must be some of the biggest buffoonery I've ever witnessed on these awards.
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Post by ddlz on Nov 22, 2019 17:57:27 GMT -5
I don't think Lana Del Rey has a shot to win AOTY because she missed Pop Vocal album nod where she had been nominated twice before. She's just like this year's Lorde (Melodrama) but with an additional SOTY nod accompanying it. Has there been any AOTY winner recently that didn't get a genre nod nomination? Nope, it's very rare. No genre support almost always points to a nonexistent chances in AOTY category. Lana would need a big amount of crossover votes or one strong voting block (like country) to rally behind her in order to stand a chance. Not impossible, but it's an uphill battle. |
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Post by collegedropout on Nov 22, 2019 19:28:38 GMT -5
I feel really bad for Halsey... She's among the top ten popstars right now, released one of the biggest hits of the year and bunch of great tracks as a whole, and still gets treated like this. Especially since she was part of ASIB which helped Brandi Carlile, Gaga of course, and Bradley win Grammys yet she didn't benefit at all. |
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Post by Okay on Nov 23, 2019 11:03:14 GMT -5
I was never expecting Without Me to get any grammy love so I'm not completely sure why y'all are surprised. The song was huge but also somewhat forgettable, and Halsey a super polarizing artist on her own.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 11:06:14 GMT -5
I was never expecting Without Me to get any grammy love so I'm not completely sure why y'all are surprised. The song was huge but also somewhat forgettable, and Halsey a super polarizing artist on her own. Ok but that is also 85% of the music industry |
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Post by felipe on Nov 23, 2019 16:22:52 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been discussed before, but how is Truth Hurts elegible for nominations? Wasn't it released a couple of years ago?
I understand that last year that "had to" nominate a live version of Havana because the studio version was no longer elegible. What am I missing?
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Post by Choco on Nov 23, 2019 16:41:00 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been discussed before, but how is Truth Hurts elegible for nominations? Wasn't it released a couple of years ago? I understand that last year that "had to" nominate a live version of Havana because the studio version was no longer elegible. What am I missing? "Truth Hurts" was never submitted before and obviously gained more prominence than ever this year. The original "Havana" was sent for consideration two years ago (and before it actually became a #1 hit), which is why it couldn't be nominated again. |
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Post by shayonce on Nov 24, 2019 3:39:00 GMT -5
Pop Song would simply mirror Song of the Year. yeah. this is why they didn't do it. and just pop records didn't do it for ROTY, having pop song won't make SOTY more diverse. |
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Post by shayonce on Nov 24, 2019 3:44:03 GMT -5
imo they should have new rule that same song can't be nominated in both song and record.
this would make more diversity. I mean most voters doesn't care song or record. even tho they should be treated differently.
also it would be interesting to have committee in pop nomination.
and another idea is choosing SOTY/ROTY/AOTY from genre nominated song/album.
currently they just have different committee choosing each other, so some are in General while mussing in genre.
so from each top 5 genre album list, pick AOTY nomination. very fair and don't look mess.
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Post by Au$tin on Nov 24, 2019 7:08:28 GMT -5
imo they should have new rule that same song can't be nominated in both song and record. Hard disagree here. SOTY is for the songwriting while ROTY is for the production/mixing/mastering/vocal performance. A song can absolutely be award worthy in both components, and if that's the case, they deserve to be in both categories. |
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Post by shayonce on Nov 24, 2019 8:59:41 GMT -5
imo they should have new rule that same song can't be nominated in both song and record. Hard disagree here. SOTY is for the songwriting while ROTY is for the production/mixing/mastering/vocal performance. A song can absolutely be award worthy in both components, and if that's the case, they deserve to be in both categories. I know the differences. lol as I said the problem is most voters don't consider those basic guideline and just go for 1 fav song. so we get 1 song winning every year again and again. and multiple song getting both just because they're hit single, not for being great songwriting. |
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Post by felipe on Nov 24, 2019 9:04:18 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been discussed before, but how is Truth Hurts elegible for nominations? Wasn't it released a couple of years ago? I understand that last year that "had to" nominate a live version of Havana because the studio version was no longer elegible. What am I missing? "Truth Hurts" was never submitted before and obviously gained more prominence than ever this year. The original "Havana" was sent for consideration two years ago (and before it actually became a #1 hit), which is why it couldn't be nominated again. I think I get it now. So any song can be sent for consideration at any year, just as long as it has not been sent before? |
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Post by felipe on Nov 24, 2019 9:10:10 GMT -5
By the way, that Havana situation just shows how flawed their system is. The song was sent for consideration but was not "worthy" of a nomination. Then it becomes a hit and voters suddenly think it deserves a nomination.
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Post by collegedropout on Nov 24, 2019 12:21:05 GMT -5
Hard disagree here. SOTY is for the songwriting while ROTY is for the production/mixing/mastering/vocal performance. A song can absolutely be award worthy in both components, and if that's the case, they deserve to be in both categories. I know the differences. lol as I said the problem is most voters don't consider those basic guideline and just go for 1 fav song. so we get 1 song winning every year again and again. and multiple song getting both just because they're hit single, not for being great songwriting. Voters are lazy like that yes but they have a Blue Ribbon Panel that SHOULD make the distinction. They did it this year when they seemed to have focused more on songwriting in SOTY (leaving out Sunflower, TU,N, Old Town Road, etc) But previous years they didn't do it (Thats Why I Like It, Single Ladies, etc) |
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 24, 2019 12:45:46 GMT -5
"Truth Hurts" was never submitted before and obviously gained more prominence than ever this year. The original "Havana" was sent for consideration two years ago (and before it actually became a #1 hit), which is why it couldn't be nominated again. I think I get it now. So any song can be sent for consideration at any year, just as long as it has not been sent before? I think being promoted as a single is a factor, too. Perhaps “TH” wasn’t promoted until this past year. |
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Post by felipe on Nov 24, 2019 21:22:55 GMT -5
I think I get it now. So any song can be sent for consideration at any year, just as long as it has not been sent before? I think being promoted as a single is a factor, too. Perhaps “TH” wasn’t promoted until this past year. But Lana Del Rey's song got nominated without being a single, right? |
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Post by Sugar Rush on Nov 28, 2019 17:18:23 GMT -5
I think being promoted as a single is a factor, too. Perhaps “TH” wasn’t promoted until this past year. But Lana Del Rey's song got nominated without being a single, right? Yes - but a lot of it too is based off of what the artist's team submits. Look at Beyoncé with Lemonade, she submitted multiple songs that were not 'official singles' and still scored nominations in Rock & Rap/Sung. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 11:07:21 GMT -5
I might be wrong, but I think jenglisbe's point about was that if TH had been treated as an 'official' single when it was first released (sent to radio, used in a commercial, performed on a TV show, etc.), that could have altered the committee's willingness to accept it as a submission two years later.
Or put another way, if Good As Hell had been the first Lizzo song to blow up in 2019, the committee probably would not have been so lenient with it, since that song was the lead single to her 2016 EP, received a separate remix EP of its own, and served as the namesake title of her tour in 2017. Similarly, if Juice were to suddenly take off in 2020 it's highly unlikely the committee would allow that to be submitted for the 2021 ceremony, because it had already received full single treatment in the previous eligibility period (this is putting aside that it's ineligible anyway because its parent album is now an AOTY nominee, which I believe renders all of its tracks ineligible in the future). She'd have to submit a live version of Juice to get around that.
This is not an issue for just about anyone else submitting 'non-singles' because those submissions are coming from albums that were released within the eligibility period.
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