2020 Grammy Awards

[ddlz]

I'm sure many artists, especially those so-called ''feminists'', will be voicing their support for Deborah and will boycott the show, right? 

[🌺T.A.T.I🌺]

Jan 19, 2020 9:52:21 GMT -5 ddlz said:

I'm sure many artists, especially those so-called ''feminists'', will be voicing their support for Deborah and will boycott the show, right? 

Yikes!!! This is awful!

[Deleted]

I’ve felt for awhile that they started manipulating the “votes” over a decade ago so that the awards wouldn’t fade into complete irrelevance when people completely stopped watching. There seemed to be a sharp turn from rewarding music with genuine acclaim regardless of popularity to leaning far more in the direction of what was popular (and got decent enough reviews) in the 00’s.

Going to be following this one..

[jenglisbe]

Jan 19, 2020 10:30:33 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

I’ve felt for awhile that they started manipulating the “votes” over a decade ago so that the awards wouldn’t fade into complete irrelevance when people completely stopped watching. There seemed to be a sharp turn from rewarding music with genuine acclaim regardless of popularity to leaning far more in the direction of what was popular (and got decent enough reviews) in the 00’s.

Going to be following this one..

I can see that in general, but this it makes me wonder why Beyonce hasn't won AOTY since the public outcry with that has been fairly loud.

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Jan 19, 2020 10:54:19 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Jan 19, 2020 10:30:33 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

I’ve felt for awhile that they started manipulating the “votes” over a decade ago so that the awards wouldn’t fade into complete irrelevance when people completely stopped watching. There seemed to be a sharp turn from rewarding music with genuine acclaim regardless of popularity to leaning far more in the direction of what was popular (and got decent enough reviews) in the 00’s.

Going to be following this one..

I can see that in general, but this it makes me wonder why Beyonce hasn't won AOTY since the public outcry with that has been fairly loud.

I mean she’s one of the most obvious examples of what I was saying with being one of the most awarded acts of all time.. wasn’t implying EVERY example of fan favorites have been awarded.

[wavey.]

Always some shit right before the show. They are just showing thier ass every buildup to the actual show. People have had enough.

[Caviar]

I need all of the tea to spill out before the ceremony.

[Deleted]

If we're going the manipulated wins for ratings route, my crackpot conspiracy theory of the day is that this is also the very reason Beyonce lost AOTY (three times, but I'm mainly just focusing on the two most recent losses). Her own record was used against her once she decided to take a less mass-appealing direction - the fact that she's the second-most awarded woman in Grammy history makes it easy to ignore that Grammy critics stay complaining that the show has 'too many' categories and that everything is meaningless outside of the Big 4 (where Beyonce only has one win). Being such a polarizing figure was always going to keep backlash from fully sticking, anyway. She's the perfect 'designated loser' whipping post.

Jan 19, 2020 9:52:21 GMT -5 ddlz said:

I'm sure many artists, especially those so-called ''feminists'', will be voicing their support for Deborah and will boycott the show, right?

This assumes they have labels or management teams who are equally feminist and would 'let' them pull out of the show. Don't forget that many of these artists are working in the same manipulative, toxic, and suffocatingly misogynistic environment that Dugan found herself in. Solidarity is easy in theory, not so much in practice.

[ddlz]

Jan 19, 2020 13:44:30 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Jan 19, 2020 9:52:21 GMT -5 ddlz said:

I'm sure many artists, especially those so-called ''feminists'', will be voicing their support for Deborah and will boycott the show, right?

This assumes they have labels or management teams who are equally feminist and would 'let' them pull out of the show. Don't forget that many of these artists are working in the same manipulative, toxic, and suffocatingly misogynistic environment that Dugan found herself in. Solidarity is easy in theory, not so much in practice.

I was being sarcastic. It's easy to speak up and play the role of a feminist when it's trendy and convenient, but not when it can affect your personal standing within the industry you work in.

That's why all popular female singers, including those who use every opportunity to virtue signal, are now sitting by silently while single mother of three is being bullied by powerful men in their industry. 

[14887fan]

How many performances do we have announced so far this year? Feels like a smaller number than usual.

ETA: Bored so I’ll just list ‘em and count myself.
-Aerosmith/Run-DNC
-Charlie Wilson
-Bonnie Raitt
-Ariana Grande
-HER
-Blake Shelton/Gwen Stefani
-Lizzo
-Billie Eilish
-Jonas Brothers
-Rosalía
-Tyler, the Creator
-Camila Cabello
-Demi Lovato

13 so far. For comparison, 2019 had 18, and both 2018 and 2017 each had 20.

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Jan 19, 2020 15:08:46 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Jan 19, 2020 13:44:30 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

This assumes they have labels or management teams who are equally feminist and would 'let' them pull out of the show. Don't forget that many of these artists are working in the same manipulative, toxic, and suffocatingly misogynistic environment that Dugan found herself in. Solidarity is easy in theory, not so much in practice.

I was being sarcastic. It's easy to speak up and play the role of a feminist when it's trendy and convenient, but not when it can affect your personal standing within the industry you work in.

That's why all popular female singers, including those who use every opportunity to virtue signal, are now sitting by silently while single mother of three is being bullied by powerful men in their industry. 

I was aware of the sarcasm, my point is, well, the bolded part of your post. I'm not defending anyone's silence per se and the virtue signalers in particular often do come off quite phony for it, but as a woman I can say that one of the most frustrating things about dealing with misogyny is that most high-stakes situations force you to lose either way. If you're silent people judge you for not speaking up, but if you do speak up you're more likely to either be screwed over for it or find that your career has a midlevel ceiling on it that you just can't seem to break, most likely because everyone knows if they give you an inch you will run a mile to shake the table and they're not about to take that chance. And then there's the third option, holding a different perspective on the matter - I can think of three valid ones off the top of my head - and being dragged from sea to shining sea simply for having a difference of opinion. No matter how eloquently you voice that opinion you will be labeled elitist, ignorant, and stupid because you dared to go against what the collective has already decided is the only correct response.

Truth be told, that mother of three is much more likely to be able to find a comparable top-level exec position (in or outside the entertainment world) than most popular female singers would be able to bounce back from being blackballed and/or 'suddenly' replaced by a younger version of themselves. This does not excuse Dugan being bullied or pushed out of her job whatsoever, but it really underscores how shitty society still is to women from almost all angles. All of that said, it's still very early and I suspect more than one dam is about to break. We might see that support show up, who knows.

Not related to the feminist subtopic much, but I have a feeling 2020 is not the year anyone should want to win a Grammy.

[seak05]

Jan 19, 2020 15:53:51 GMT -5 14887fan said:

How many performances do we have announced so far this year? Feels like a smaller number than usual.

ETA: Bored so I’ll just list ‘em and count myself.
-Aerosmith/Run-DNC
-Charlie Wilson
-Bonnie Raitt
-Ariana Grande
-HER
-Blake Shelton/Gwen Stefani
-Lizzo
-Billie Eilish
-Jonas Brothers
-Rosalía
-Tyler, the Creator
-Camila Cabello
-Demi Lovato

13 so far. For comparison, 2019 had 18, and both 2018 and 2017 each had 20.

In a new promo I just saw on CBS they had a bunch more names including: Keith U (wtf), Brandi, Tanya (I'm assuming they're together, but yeay)

[14887fan]

I expected Brandi/Tanya, so that’s great. But...Keith Urban? He’s got no new music out and no nominations this year. Makes zero sense. Get Yola and/or Ashley McBryde up there if we really want some extra country performances.

[Kurt]

Yes, Brandi & Tanya are together.

Yola is playing the Premiere Ceremony for some reason, so I don't expect we'll see her in primetime.

[Raccoon]

Bebe Rexha seems odd

[Caviar]

Jan 19, 2020 19:20:15 GMT -5 Raccoon said:

Bebe Rexha seems odd

Has she been announced?

[slowmo]

Shania was also mentioned in the commercial.

I'm going to guess Keith will be part of something else and not a solo slot.

[groovy]

My God that performance lineup is so zzzz. Rosalia might be the only one that's worth-watching, and maybe Lizzo and Ariana - depends on which approach they're gonna take with their performances.

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Jan 19, 2020 19:57:31 GMT -5 Caviar said:

Jan 19, 2020 19:20:15 GMT -5 Raccoon said:

Bebe Rexha seems odd

Has she been announced?

A Grammy commercial during the Chiefs-Titans game said that Lizzo, Jonas Brothers, Camila Cabello, Tyler, The Creator, Bebe Rexha, Blake Shelton & Gwen Stefani, Keith Urban, Billy Porter, Tanya Tucker, Shania Twain, Brandi Carlile and Usher will all appear during the first hour of the show. Bebe, Keith, Billy, Tanya, Shania, and Usher weren't confirmed before tonight but since they were included in the commercial with so many other confirmed performers, I'm inferring all of them will be singing at some point.

[Caviar]

Jan 19, 2020 23:10:47 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Jan 19, 2020 19:57:31 GMT -5 Caviar said:

Has she been announced?

A Grammy commercial during the Chiefs-Titans game said that Lizzo, Jonas Brothers, Camila Cabello, Tyler, The Creator, Bebe Rexha, Blake Shelton & Gwen Stefani, Keith Urban, Billy Porter, Tanya Tucker, Shania Twain, Brandi Carlile and Usher will all appear during the first hour of the show. Bebe, Keith, Billy, Tanya, Shania, and Usher weren't confirmed before tonight but since they were included in the commercial with so many other confirmed performers, I'm inferring all of them will be singing at some point.

Why is Ken throwing Ella under the bus? This is the second year in a row where she’s nominated and not performing.

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Jan 19, 2020 23:54:54 GMT -5 Caviar said:

Jan 19, 2020 23:10:47 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

A Grammy commercial during the Chiefs-Titans game said that Lizzo, Jonas Brothers, Camila Cabello, Tyler, The Creator, Bebe Rexha, Blake Shelton & Gwen Stefani, Keith Urban, Billy Porter, Tanya Tucker, Shania Twain, Brandi Carlile and Usher will all appear during the first hour of the show. Bebe, Keith, Billy, Tanya, Shania, and Usher weren't confirmed before tonight but since they were included in the commercial with so many other confirmed performers, I'm inferring all of them will be singing at some point.

Why is Ken throwing Ella under the bus? This is the second year in a row where she’s nominated and not performing.

Yeah, looking at how H.E.R. is booking for example - no shade to her but she's punching so far above her weight, there's no reason Ella shouldn't be booking too (especially last year; I can sort of see how Ella would get glossed over this year with the set of nominees they have this time). I know Gabriella is with Alicia's old manager though so I get why that is happening for her. At this point I'm just assuming Ella's management is lacking the connections/clout to get through. I think her manager is someone at the 10 Summers label so lack of 'big' connections wouldn't surprise me.

[dann]

Jan 8, 2020 1:28:33 GMT -5 Kurt said:

Performers are starting to be announced – confirmed so far:
– Billie Eilish
– Blake Shelton & Gwen Stefani

Rumored (via HITS Daily Double):
– Ariana Grande
– Lizzo
– Lil Nas X
– Rosalía
– BTS
– Jonas Brothers
– Nas
– A Nipsey Hussle tribute

Any chance of LNX and BTS being confirmed yet?

[14887fan]

I thought Bebe Rexha was announced as a performer for their GRAMMY in the Schools event, not the actual show.

[kanimal]

Jan 20, 2020 12:21:11 GMT -5 14887fan said:

I thought Bebe Rexha was announced as a performer for their GRAMMY in the Schools event, not the actual show.

You're right, she has not been announced as a performer for the ceremony.

But she was featured in a commercial confirming the various acts to expect during the first hour. Many of the names in the commercial (Lizzo, Camila Cabello, Jonas Brothers, Blake Shelton & Gwen Stefani, Brandi Carlile & Tanya Tucker, Tyler The Creator) are performing during the show. The only ones who are thus far not announced as performers are Keith Urban, Shania Twain, Bebe Rexha, Usher and Billy Porter.

Because of that breakdown, some are speculating that the other names might be also be performing in some capacity. They easily could just be presenters, but the idea of explicitly promoting "All these people are performing ... oh, and Bebe Rexha will announce an award" admittedly seems really weird.

[Mike]

[Caviar]

What’s the performer list now? Rehearsals start this week.

[Deleted]

Ah, so they did mix in some presenters with performers in that commercial. Kind of odd that they'd do it like that.

[Enigma.]

Everyone will obviously turn the tv on because of Bebe Rexha!

[upsidedown]

Jan 19, 2020 10:30:33 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

I’ve felt for awhile that they started manipulating the “votes” over a decade ago so that the awards wouldn’t fade into complete irrelevance when people completely stopped watching. There seemed to be a sharp turn from rewarding music with genuine acclaim regardless of popularity to leaning far more in the direction of what was popular (and got decent enough reviews) in the 00’s.

Going to be following this one..

This was solidified when f**king Shape of You won in 2018 and then somehow Bruno Mars won "Song of the Year" over a song about suicide prevention.

[Choco]

^A *boring af* song about suicide prevention.

If anything is shady about the Grammys is the committee that single handedly picks the big awards' nominees.

Deborah Dugan is shady af too. She apparently asked for 22 milli to keep quiet. Talk about integrity lmao. I think it's part of the reason why no acts have voiced any support. She's all about the money and TRA didn't pay.