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Post by Gary on Apr 16, 2019 23:38:04 GMT -5
Top 100 of the 1990s
1 Smooth Santana featuring Rob Thomas 2 How Do I Live LeAnn Rimes 3 Macarena(Bayside Boys Mix) Los Del Rio 4 Un-Break Ny Heart Toni Braxton 5 You Were Meant For Me Jewel 6 (Everything I Do) I Do It For You Bryan Adams 7 I'll Make Love II You Boyz II Men 8 Too Close Next 9 One Sweet Day Mariah Carey & Boyz II Men 10 Truly Madly Deeply Savage Garden 11 Candle In The Wind 1997 Elton John 12 I Will Always Love You Whitney Houston 13 End Of The Road Boyz II Men 14 The Sign Ace Of Base 15 The Boy Is Mine Brandy & Monica 16 Because I Loved You(The Postman Song) Stevie B 17 Whoomp! There It Is Tag Team 18 Rush Rush Paula Abdul 19 You're Still The One Shania Twain 20 Gangsta's Paradise Coolio featuring L.V. 21 Nothing Compares 2 U Sinead O'Connor 22 I Swear All-4-One 23 I'll Be Missing You Puff Daddy & Faith Evans featuring 112 24 You Make Me Wanna… Usher 25 Another Night Real McCoy 26 Nobody Knows Tony Rich Project 27 Because You Loved Me Celine Dion 28 Creep TLC 29 Waterfalls TLC 30 Gonna Make You Sweat(Everybody Dance Now) C+C Music Factory 31 Vogue Madonna 32 Love Takes Time Mariah Carey 33 Iris Goo Goo Dolls 34 It Must Have Been Love Roxette 35 Vision Of Love Mariah Carey 36 Hold On Wilson Phillips 37 I Wanna Sex You Up Color Me Badd 38 One More Try Timmy T 39 On Bended Knee Boyz II Men 40 You're Makin' Me High Toni Braxton 41 From A Distance Bette Midler 42 Don't Speak No Doubt 43 Fantasy Mariah Carey 44 Unbelieveable EMF 45 The First Time Surface 46 Take A Bow Madonna 47 Can't Nobody Hold Me Down Puff Daddy(Featuring Mase) 48 More Than Words Extreme 49 Escapde Janet Jackson 50 No Diggity Blackstreet(featuring Dr Dre) 51 I Like The Way(The Kissing Game) Hi-Five 52 Poison Bell Biv Devoe 53 Can't Help Falling In Love UB40 54 Emotions Mariah Carey 55 Quit Playing Ganes (With My Heart) Backstreet Boys 56 No Scrubs TLC 57 Dreamlover Mariah Carey 58 Opposites Attact Paula Abdul (Duet With The Wild Pair) 59 The First Night Monica 60 Nobody's Supposed To Be Here Deborah Cox 61 Torn Natalie Imbruglia 62 Twisted Keith Seat 63 I Love You Always Forever Donna Lewis 64 Believe Cher 65 Kiss From A Rose Seal 66 It's All Coming BackTo Me Now Celine Dion 67 The Power Of Love Celine Dion 68 Baby Baby Amy Grant 69 That's the Way Love Goes Janet Jackson 70 Where My Girls At? 702 71 All That She Wants Ace Of Base 72 Justify My Love Madonna 73 Blaze Of Glory Jon Bon Jovi 74 How Am I Supposed To Live Without You Michael Bolton 75 Baby Got Back Sir Mix A Lot 76 Someday Mariah Carey 77 Hero Mariah Carey 78 Stay I Missed You Lisa Loeb & Nine Stories 79 This Is How We Do It Montell Jordan 80 I Adore Mi Amor Color Me Badd 81 All The Man That I Need Whitney Houston 82 Don't Let Go(Love) En Vogue 83 Pump Up The Jam Technotronic 84 High Enough Damn Yankees 85 Bohemian Rhapsody Queen 86 Close To You Maxi Priest 87 Always Be My Baby Mariah Carey 88 Release Me Wilson Phillips 89 I'm Your Baby Tonight Whitney Houston 90 Step By Step New Kids On The Block 91 Together Again Janet 92 Black Velvet Alannah Myles 93 Give Me One Reason Tracy Chapman 94 Freak Me Silk 95 Do Me! Bell Biv Devoe 96 I Need To Know Marc Anthony 97 Jump Kriss Kross 98 Nobody Keith Sweat Featuring Athena Cage 99 Back At One Brian McKnight 100 I Don't Wanna Cry Mariah Carey
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Post by Gary on Apr 16, 2019 23:42:23 GMT -5
There were some annoying song skipping in the top 100 that momentarily confused me - The broadcast skips over #54 and #76 (both Mariah songs)
This list has 3 radio songs - also with the exception of Bohemian Rhapsody - placed a little higher, this lists mimics the order of the top 600 that they posted last summer
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Post by iHype. on Apr 16, 2019 23:46:38 GMT -5
I actually think they did fine with the airplay-only placings.
Obviously Smooth being #1 is messy though. I'm assuming for 1999 songs, they counted their whole chart run even if some occured in 2000s?
If that's the case then I Gotta Feeling would also technically become the song of the 2000s on a similar list? Since it passed We Belong Together on the all-time chart.
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Post by Gary on Apr 17, 2019 6:54:33 GMT -5
Rather than try and compile the remainder of this list, likely going to wait til the 24th and grab Billboard's post. The countdown had some errors(song skipping) and this is not a countdown of chart performance specifically to the 1990s, In the sense that the chart period would be from Jan 1 1990 to December 31 1999. If it were, you would have a different #1. Also it appears they took Bohemian Rhapsody (a top 10 in the 70s and 90s) and called it 1992 as listed in the 60th anniversary list. Fine I guess as at the time that was the most recent year, That in itself in reality is already wrong since it contained points from the 1970s www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100-60th-anniversary. then they moved it up 8 spots likely from the 2018 chart run from the movie. So Bohemian Rhapsody is one of the top 100 songs from the 90s because of chart runs from 3 decades They spliced out songs from their all time list rather than create an actual 90s list Disappointing
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 17, 2019 7:33:34 GMT -5
Mariah owning a full 10% of that top 100!
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Post by rockgolf on Apr 17, 2019 8:49:01 GMT -5
Also it appears they took Bohemian Rhapsody (a top 10 in the 70s and 90s) and called it 1992 as listed in the 60th anniversary list. Fine I guess as at the time that was the most recent year, That in itself in reality is already wrong since it contained points from the 1970s Yep, they included both 1975 and 2018 run of BoRhap. They also included the post-mortem charting of I Will Always Love You. Otherwise End of the Road would have been (barely) ahead.
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Post by rockgolf on Apr 17, 2019 8:52:40 GMT -5
Mariah owning a full 10% of that top 100! I wonder if there's a legal (or financial) reason they skipped playing the 2 Mariah songs. Is there some licence limitation that forbids more than a specific # of songs by the same artist within a given timespan? (Yes, I know there are Sirius stations dedicated to specific artists. So more likely the issue is financial.) It would also explain why they skipped over 3 Beatles songs on the "Every #1 countdown" when they had 5 #1's in a row. (They played I Want To Hold Your Hand and jumped straight to Hello Dolly.)
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Apr 17, 2019 9:01:34 GMT -5
^I didn't know there was such a restriction but I guess since SiriusXM isn't terrestrial radio, they probably have other rules applied to them.
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Post by rockgolf on Apr 17, 2019 9:14:11 GMT -5
I think that for uncharted (or severely undercharted) hits, they pro-rated the airplay chart runs, assigning points based on what percentage airplay would have got on the Hot 100. So a week at #1 on the airplay chart would get, say, 40% of what a week at #1 on the Hot 100 got. So would a week at #2 or #31, for that matter.
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Post by jebsib on Apr 17, 2019 9:40:26 GMT -5
Would love an explanation why 702 got so high on the decade countdown. It was a respectable but not incredible chart run.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Apr 17, 2019 9:53:37 GMT -5
For comparison's sake, this was the original decade-end chart that Billboard has disavowed ever existing:
1- ONE SWEET DAY - Mariah Carey & Boyz II Men (95-96) 2- MACARENA - Los Del Rio (95 & 96) 3- I'LL MAKE LOVE TO YOU - Boyz II Men (94-95) 4- UN-BREAK MY HEART - Toni Braxton (96-97) 5- * CANDLE IN THE WIND 1997 / SOMETHING ABOUT THE WAY YOU LOOK TONIGHT - Elton John (97-98) 6- END OF THE ROAD - Boyz II Men (92) 7- I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU - Whitney Houston (92-93) 8- THE BOY IS MINE - Brandy & Monica (98) 9- I SWEAR - All 4 One (94) 10- I'LL BE MISSING YOU - Puff Daddy, Faith Evans & 112 (97) 11- THE SIGN - Ace Of Base (94) 12- HOW DO I LIVE - LeAnn Rimes (97-98) 13- GANGSTA'S PARADISE - Coolio featuring L.V. (95-96) 14- ON BENDED KNEE - Boyz II Men (94-95) 15- FANTASY - Mariah Carey (95-96) 16- TOO CLOSE - Next (98) 17- THAT'S THE WAY LOVE GOES - Janet Jackson (93) 18- BECAUSE YOU LOVED ME - Celine Dion (96) 19- WATERFALLS - TLC (95) 20- DREAMLOVER - Mariah Carey (93) 21- CREEP - TLC (95) 22- CAN'T HELP FALLING IN LOVE - UB40 (93) 23- JUMP - Kris Kross (92) 24- TAKE A BOW - Madonna (95) 25- THA CROSSROADS - Bone Thugs-N-Harmony (96) 26- THE FIRST NIGHT - Monica (98) 27- CAN'T NOBODY HOLD ME DOWN - Puff Daddy & Mase (97) 28- INFORMER - Snow (93) 29- THIS IS HOW WE DO IT - Montell Jordan (95) 30- BABY GOT BACK - Sir Mix-A-Lot (92) 31- BELIEVE - Cher (99) 32- FREAK ME - Silk (93) 33- NO SCRUBS - TLC (99) 34- YOU'RE STILL THE ONE - Shania Twain (98) 35- WANNABE - Spice Girls (97) 36- NO DIGGITY - BLACKstreet & Dr. Dre (96-97) 37- (EVERYTHING I DO) I DO IT FOR YOU - Bryan Adams (91) 38- LIVIN' LA VIDA LOCA - Ricky Martin (99) 39- BLACK OR WHITE - Michael Jackson (91-92) 40- I'D DO ANYTHING FOR LOVE (BUT I WON'T DO THAT) - Meat Loaf (93-94) 41- • SMOOTH - Santana & Rob Thomas (99-00) 42- STAY (I MISSED YOU) - Lisa Loeb & Nine Stories (94) 43- GENIE IN A BOTTLE - Christina Aguilera (99) 44- WHOOMP! (THERE IT IS) - Tag Team (93-94) 45- YOU MAKE ME WANNA.... - Usher (97-98) 46- IF YOU HAD MY LOVE - Jennifer Lopez (99) 47- SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST - Vanessa Williams (92) 48- THE POWER OF LOVE - Celine Dion (94) 49- ALWAYS BE MY BABY - Mariah Carey (96) 50- I'M YOUR ANGEL - R. Kelly & Celine Dion (98-99) 51- ANOTHER NIGHT - Real McCoy (94-95) 52- EXHALE (SHOOP SHOOP) - Whitney Houston (95-96) 53- HERO - Mariah Carey (93-94) 54- HAVE YOU EVER REALLY LOVED A WOMAN? - Bryan Adams (95) 55- BUMP N' GRIND - R. Kelly (94) 56- AGAIN - Janet Jackson (93-94) 57- MMMBOP - Hanson (97) 58- KISS FROM A ROSE - Seal (95) 59- WEAK - S W V (93) 60- NOBODY'S SUPPOSED TO BE HERE - Deborah Cox (98-99) 61- NOBODY KNOWS - Tony Rich Project (96) 62- ANGEL OF MINE - Monica (99) 63- TRULY MADLY DEEPLY - Savage Garden (98) 64- RUSH RUSH - Paula Abdul (91) 65- HERE COMES THE HOTSTEPPER - Ini Kamoze (94-95) 66- IF I EVER FALL IN LOVE - Shai (92-93) 67- * FOOLISH GAMES / YOU WERE MEANT FOR ME - Jewel (97) 68- * YOU'RE MAKIN' ME HIGH/ LET IT FLOW - Toni Braxton (96-97) 69- ALL FOR LOVE - Bryan Adams, Rod Stewart, Sting (94) 70- ALL THAT SHE WANTS - Ace Of Base (93-94) 71- I LOVE YOU ALWAYS FOREVER - Donna Lewis (96-97) 72- BECAUSE I LOVE YOU (THE POSTMAN SONG) - Stevie B (90-91) 73- I DON'T WANT TO MISS A THING - Aerosmith (98) 74- TOGETHER AGAIN - Janet (98) 75- NICE & SLOW - Usher (98) 76- • UNPRETTY - TLC (99) 77- IT'S ALL COMING BACK TO ME NOW - Celine Dion (96-97) 78- ...BABY ONE MORE TIME - Britney Spears (99) 79- I'M TOO SEXY - Right Said Fred (92) 80- BABY-BABY-BABY - TLC (92) 81- MY WAY - Usher (98) 82- NOTHING COMPARES 2 U - Sinead O'Connor (90) 83- DON'T LET GO (LOVE) - En Vogue (97) 84- LATELY - Divine (98-99) 85- MO MONEY MO PROBLEMS - Notorious B.I.G., Puff Daddy & Mase (97-98) 86- QUIT PLAYING GAMES (WITH MY HEART) - Backstreet Boys (97-98) 87- I BELIEVE I CAN FLY - R. Kelly (97) 88- HYPNOTIZE - Notorious B.I.G. (97) 89- TWISTED - Keith Sweat (96-97) 90- TO BE WITH YOU - Mr. Big (92) 91- VISION OF LOVE - Mariah Carey (90) 92- RUMP SHAKER - Wreckx-N-Effect (92-93) 93- VOGUE - Madonna (90) 94- ALL 4 LOVE - Color Me Badd (91-92) 95- NUTHIN' BUT A "G" THANG - Dr. Dre (93) 96- I'LL BE THERE - Mariah Carey (92) 97- * HOW DO YOU WANT IT / CALIFORNIA LOVE - 2 Pac, K-Ci & JoJo (96) 98- ALL MY LIFE - K-Ci & JoJo (98) 99- MY ALL - Mariah Carey (98) 100- RETURN OF THE MACK - Mark Morrison (97)
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Post by rockgolf on Apr 17, 2019 10:08:56 GMT -5
Would love an explanation why 702 got so high on the decade countdown. It was a respectable but not incredible chart run. It's not out of line with my estimates. #67 vs #70. I think it just spend a lot of time in the top 10.
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Post by rockgolf on Apr 17, 2019 11:45:34 GMT -5
I'm assuming for 1999 songs, they counted their whole chart run even if some occured in 2000s? I think they did that for ALL songs. Bohemian Rhapsody only gets that high if you include the 1975 & 2018 chart runs as well. Whitney's I Will Always Love You only overtakes End of the Road if you add the points it got when it recharted after her death.
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Post by Gary on Apr 17, 2019 11:55:58 GMT -5
if the top 600 database online is any indication, they tag all songs with a single year.
Smooth is 1999 Bohemian Rhapsody is 1992
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They do this to filter songs by decade which also be useful in creating decade charts (which is apparently what they did here). Nice for the users of the chart (which also has genre and gender filters) but lousy for anything other than an alltime chart if you want accuracy
Bohemian Rhapsody would then not be in any 70s list and Smooth would not show up in the 00s list
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Post by rockgolf on Apr 17, 2019 12:51:16 GMT -5
Comparing my predictions to the actual (R1, R2, R3 were my Radio-only rankings on page 1 of this thread.) BB Me 1 1 Smooth Santana ft. Rob Thomas 2 2 How Do I Live LeAnn Rimes 3 3 Macarena (Bayside Boys Mix) Los Del Rio 4 5 Un-Break My Heart Toni Braxton 5 6 You Were Meant For Me Jewel 6 4 (Everything I Do) I Do It For You Bryan Adams 7 7 I'll Make Love To You Boyz II Men 8 8 Too Close Next 9 9 One Sweet Day Mariah Carey & Boyz II Men 10 10 Truly Madly Deeply Savage Garden 11 11 Candle In The Wind 1997 Elton John 12 13 I Will Always Love You Whitney Houston 13 12 End Of The Road Boyz II Men 14 14 The Sign Ace Of Base 15 15 The Boy Is Mine Brandy & Monica 16 16 Because I Love You (The Postman Song) Stevie B 17 17 Whoomp! There It Is Tag Team 18 18 Rush Rush Paula Abdul 19 19 You're Still The One Shania Twain 20 20 Gangsta's Paradise Coolio ft. L.V. 21 21 Nothing Compares 2 U Sinead O'Connor 22 22 I Swear All-4-One 23 23 I'll Be Missing You Puff Daddy & Faith Evans ft. 112 24 24 You Make Me Wanna… Usher 25 25 Another Night Real McCoy 26 26 Nobody Knows Tony Rich Project 27 27 Because You Loved Me Celine Dion 28 28 Creep TLC 29 29 Waterfalls TLC 30 30 Gonna Make You Sweat(Everybody Dance Now) C+C Music Factory 31 31 Vogue Madonna 32 32 Love Takes Time Mariah Carey 33 R1 Iris Goo Goo Dolls 34 33 It Must Have Been Love Roxette 35 34 Vision Of Love Mariah Carey 36 35 Hold On Wilson Phillips 37 36 I Wanna Sex You Up Color Me Badd 38 37 One More Try Timmy T 39 38 On Bended Knee Boyz II Men 40 39 You're Makin' Me High Toni Braxton 41 40 From A Distance Bette Midler 42 R2 Don't Speak No Doubt 43 41 Fantasy Mariah Carey 44 43 Unbelievable EMF 45 42 The First Time Surface 46 44 Take A Bow Madonna 47 45 Can't Nobody Hold Me Down Puff Daddy(ft. Mase) 48 46 More Than Words Extreme 49 47 Escapade Janet Jackson 50 48 No Diggity Blackstreet (ft. Dr Dre) 51 49 I Like The Way (The Kissing Game) Hi-Five 52 50 Poison Bell Biv Devoe 53 51 Can't Help Falling In Love UB40 54 52 Emotions Mariah Carey 55 53 Quit Playing Games (With My Heart) Backstreet Boys 56 54 No Scrubs TLC 57 55 Dreamlover Mariah Carey 58 56 Opposites Attact Paula Abdul (Duet With The Wild Pair) 59 57 The First Night Monica 60 58 Nobody's Supposed To Be Here Deborah Cox 61 R3 Torn Natalie Imbruglia 62 59 Twisted Keith Sweat 63 60 I Love You Always Forever Donna Lewis 64 61 Believe Cher 65 62 Kiss From A Rose Seal 66 63 It's All Coming Back To Me Now Celine Dion 67 64 The Power Of Love Celine Dion 68 65 Baby Baby Amy Grant 69 66 That's the Way Love Goes Janet Jackson 70 67 Where My Girls At? 702 71 68 All That She Wants Ace Of Base 72 69 Justify My Love Madonna 73 70 Blaze Of Glory Jon Bon Jovi 74 71 How Am I Supposed To Live Without You Michael Bolton 75 72 Baby Got Back Sir Mix-A-Lot 76 73 Someday Mariah Carey 77 74 Hero Mariah Carey 78 75 Stay I Missed You Lisa Loeb & Nine Stories 79 76 This Is How We Do It Montell Jordan 80 78 I Adore Mi Amor Color Me Badd 81 77 All The Man That I Need Whitney Houston 82 79 Don't Let Go (Love) En Vogue 83 80 Pump Up The Jam Technotronic 84 81 High Enough Damn Yankees 85 -- Bohemian Rhapsody Queen 86 82 Close To You Maxi Priest 87 83 Always Be My Baby Mariah Carey 88 84 Release Me Wilson Phillips 89 86 I'm Your Baby Tonight Whitney Houston 90 87 Step By Step New Kids On The Block 91 88 Together Again Janet 92 89 Black Velvet Alannah Myles 93 90 Give Me One Reason Tracy Chapman 94 91 Freak Me Silk 95 92 Do Me! Bell Biv Devoe 96 94 I Need To Know Marc Anthony 97 93 Jump Kris Kross 98 95 Nobody Keith Sweat ft. Athena Cage 99 96 Back At One Brian McKnight 100 97 I Don't Wanna Cry Mariah Carey
I didn't expect them to include the original and recent runs of Bohemian Rhapsody in this chart total. But I got every charted hit within a few positions and the Radio only hits in the order I predicted. (TBH, I expected them to chart even higher.) I had Michael Bolton at #85, but it didn't make the top 100. It's in that deadly late 1991-early 1992 zone where chart points were literally cut in half one week and all charts thereafter. I don't think it's on the date I'm using of Nov 23, 1991. (That's why I overstate Bryan Adams as #4 instead of #6 too.) Otherwise, tanooki 's methodology is incredibly spot-on.
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Post by iHype. on Apr 17, 2019 12:57:43 GMT -5
I think it might be an error they just honestly overlooked.
Like what logic would it be to include chart runs from multiple decades later? Not to mention it goes against their own previous decade end lists.
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Post by Gary on Apr 17, 2019 13:03:57 GMT -5
The logic is how they tag the year in the database in their all-time lists
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Post by rockgolf on Apr 17, 2019 13:35:17 GMT -5
I think it might be an error they just honestly overlooked. Like what logic would it be to include chart runs from multiple decades later? Not to mention it goes against their own previous decade end lists. Not as much an error as a shortcut. Frankly, outside of this forum, do you think there's anyone in the world who cares about whether Whitney was #11 or #12? And I'm sure hardly anyone would think Bohemian Rhapsody is "overrated" for the purposes of this countdown. There are scientists who will argue tooth & nail over the 7th post-decimal value of an atomic weight of an isotope. Or what was the 27th best performance by a horse in the history of the Preakness. And as unimportant as those are to most of the world, that's how unimportant these rankings are to the world at large. What's the benefit to Billboard of making the list 0.2% more accurate? What's the cost of getting someone to do that? It's not an error. It's a rational economic choice.
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Post by iHype. on Apr 17, 2019 14:05:26 GMT -5
I think it might be an error they just honestly overlooked. Like what logic would it be to include chart runs from multiple decades later? Not to mention it goes against their own previous decade end lists. Not as much an error as a shortcut. Frankly, outside of this forum, do you think there's anyone in the world who cares about whether Whitney was #11 or #12? And I'm sure hardly anyone would think Bohemian Rhapsody is "overrated" for the purposes of this countdown. There are scientists who will argue tooth & nail over the 7th post-decimal value of an atomic weight of an isotope. Or what was the 27th best performance by a horse in the history of the Preakness. And as unimportant as those are to most of the world, that's how unimportant these rankings are to the world at large. What's the benefit to Billboard of making the list 0.2% more accurate? What's the cost of getting someone to do that? It's not an error. It's a rational economic choice. I wouldn't chalk it down to "0.2% more accuracy" that makes no tiny difference. The #1 song entirely changed. We're not talking about #100 and #99 flipping positions. And also a company like Billboard, who wants to be pushed as having the definitive ranking/numbers in their industry should always aim to have some type of consistency. How can you argue you have THE definitive numbers when your own numbers/formula changes every other year and discredits itself? It'd be hard to take a scientist's finding seriously if they said Neptune was the heaviest planet in 2018, then said Mercury was the heaviest planet in 2019, then said Saturn was the heaviest planet in 2020. One Sweet Day was song of the 90s, then How Do I Live was song of the 90s, now Smooth is song of the 90s. In 5 years will Macarena newly be song of the 90s?
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Post by jebsib on Apr 17, 2019 14:15:17 GMT -5
I kinda agree. For an entire generation, One Sweet Day was the #1 song for the 1990s, a finite period of time. Now it isn't. I can understand them changing everything due to new subjective factors - weighting eras differently, the continued cultural importance of those airplay-only songs, etc. But it still sort of retroactively undermines their own authority.
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Post by Gary on Apr 17, 2019 14:26:58 GMT -5
I think we are overdramatizing this a bit
20 years removed, how many will actually know or care that the historical lists keep changing?
Like I said before I think they got lazy this time in declaring Smooth #1 for the 90s when it is arguably a 00s song.
The database they use needs to be improved but it is much much better than it used to be. Perhaps when they clean it up in the future they will fix it.
Also what is #1 and what isn't for many people, as we know, it is not JUST the Hot 100. With all the charts and lists out there not sure there will be outrage over switching up a 20 year old list
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Post by rockgolf on Apr 17, 2019 14:36:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't chalk it down to "0.2% more accuracy" that makes no tiny difference. The #1 song entirely changed. We're not talking about #100 and #99 flipping positions. And also a company like Billboard, who wants to be pushed as having the definitive ranking/numbers in their industry should always aim to have some type of consistency. How can you argue you have THE definitive numbers when your own numbers/formula changes every other year and discredits itself? It'd be hard to take a scientist's finding seriously if they said Neptune was the heaviest planet in 2018, then said Mercury was the heaviest planet in 2019, then said Saturn was the heaviest planet in 2020. One Sweet Day was song of the 90s, then How Do I Live was song of the 90s, now Smooth is song of the 90s. In 5 years will Macarena newly be song of the 90s? The short explanation is that One Sweet Day was the #1 song of the 90s on charts up to Dec 31, 1999 or thereabouts. But that was a snapshot before the end of the race. Smooth, under any criteria, overtook OSD on the all-time list by the end of its run. Do you use the arbitrary date of Dec 31, 1999 to stop tracking songs that peaked in the 1990s? There are arguments for either answer. I fall into the "count the entire run" group. I've got a whole "complete" thread on how yearly charts would look if entire chart runs were included. Can I explain why OSD dropped from #1 to #9? That's tougher. My suspicion is that the original chart used the sum of actual points earned in each week of the 1990s. The all-time chart assigns the same points to the same position every week. (Give or take the multiplier effect.) So when a song has mega-sales, like OSD or Candle in the Wind, it doesn't get any benefit from that on the all-time chart. There is no perfect way to calculate a list like this. If the Radio & Records chart were used, you wouldn't even see Candle in the Wind in the top 500. If pre-single release airplay were included, you'd see My Heart Will Go On chart way higher. Any Hot 100 chart is an amalgam of different weights: Radio, sales, streaming, video, whatever. Any combination of those factors results in an arbitrary total. That effect is multiplied over a decade.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Apr 17, 2019 14:38:27 GMT -5
Another thing I noticed is they counted I Will Always Love You's 3 weeks charted after Whitney's death, so it ended up where it was in the 60th anniversary chart.
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Post by Gary on Apr 17, 2019 15:06:22 GMT -5
Yes the little nuances of using the top 600 list for a decade chart. Not well thought out
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 17, 2019 15:08:25 GMT -5
I think it might be an error they just honestly overlooked. Like what logic would it be to include chart runs from multiple decades later? Not to mention it goes against their own previous decade end lists. Not as much an error as a shortcut. Frankly, outside of this forum, do you think there's anyone in the world who cares about whether Whitney was #11 or #12? And I'm sure hardly anyone would think Bohemian Rhapsody is "overrated" for the purposes of this countdown. There are scientists who will argue tooth & nail over the 7th post-decimal value of an atomic weight of an isotope. Or what was the 27th best performance by a horse in the history of the Preakness. And as unimportant as those are to most of the world, that's how unimportant these rankings are to the world at large. What's the benefit to Billboard of making the list 0.2% more accurate? What's the cost of getting someone to do that? It's not an error. It's a rational economic choice. I just wonder if both chart runs count toward "BH" in the 70s and in the 90s. That would seem odd. So, is it now a 90s song?
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Post by jodakyellow on Apr 17, 2019 15:14:32 GMT -5
Not as much an error as a shortcut. Frankly, outside of this forum, do you think there's anyone in the world who cares about whether Whitney was #11 or #12? And I'm sure hardly anyone would think Bohemian Rhapsody is "overrated" for the purposes of this countdown. There are scientists who will argue tooth & nail over the 7th post-decimal value of an atomic weight of an isotope. Or what was the 27th best performance by a horse in the history of the Preakness. And as unimportant as those are to most of the world, that's how unimportant these rankings are to the world at large. What's the benefit to Billboard of making the list 0.2% more accurate? What's the cost of getting someone to do that? It's not an error. It's a rational economic choice. I just wonder if both chart runs count toward "BH" in the 70s and in the 90s. That would seem odd. So, is it now a 90s song? That's the impression I'm under. If it's tagged with 1992 in the database, then that's it's year, as far as Billboard is concerned.
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Post by iHype. on Apr 17, 2019 15:24:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't chalk it down to "0.2% more accuracy" that makes no tiny difference. The #1 song entirely changed. We're not talking about #100 and #99 flipping positions. And also a company like Billboard, who wants to be pushed as having the definitive ranking/numbers in their industry should always aim to have some type of consistency. How can you argue you have THE definitive numbers when your own numbers/formula changes every other year and discredits itself? It'd be hard to take a scientist's final nding seriously if they said Neptune was the heaviest planet in 2018, then said Mercury was the heaviest planet in 2019, then said Saturn was the heaviest planet in 2020. One Sweet Day was song of the 90s, then How Do I Live was song of the 90s, now Smooth is song of the 90s. In 5 years will Macarena newly be song of the 90s? The short explanation is that One Sweet Day was the #1 song of the 90s on charts up to Dec 31, 1999 or thereabouts. But that was a snapshot before the end of the race. Smooth, under any criteria, overtook OSD on the all-time list by the end of its run. Do you use the arbitrary date of Dec 31, 1999 to stop tracking songs that peaked in the 1990s? There are arguments for either answer. I fall into the "count the entire run" group. I've got a whole "complete" thread on how yearly charts would look if entire chart runs were included.Can I explain why OSD dropped from #1 to #9? That's tougher. My suspicion is that the original chart used the sum of actual points earned in each week of the 1990s. The all-time chart assigns the same points to the same position every week. (Give or take the multiplier effect.) So when a song has mega-sales, like OSD or Candle in the Wind, it doesn't get any benefit from that on the all-time chart. There is no perfect way to calculate a list like this. If the Radio & Records chart were used, you wouldn't even see Candle in the Wind in the top 500. If pre-single release airplay were included, you'd see My Heart Will Go On chart way higher. Any Hot 100 chart is an amalgam of different weights: Radio, sales, streaming, video, whatever. Any combination of those factors results in an arbitrary total. That effect is multiplied over a decade. Those are two different things ultimately. “Biggest songs of the 90s” “Biggest songs released in the 90s” If you count things outside the decade it also isn’t a “decade end”, since the tracking did not end at the decade. It’s just a ranking of lifetime charting for songs released in 90s. Of course it’s nice to see those lists, but should they be painted as “decade ends” / “year ends” when they didn’t end the tracking at those times? Doesn’t make sense. Similar to if an album sold 10 copies this year while released, then sold 30 million years down the road, you can’t rewrite 2019 and say it was the year-end #1. Or else it isn’t actually a year end of 2019. Under this current method used for Bohemian, All I Want for Christmas is You (and all the other Holiday hits) would also be considered a 2010s singles, because they peaked and had majority of its run this decade which is laughable considering their popularity derives specifically from being regarded as oldies and not current 2010s hits.
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Post by Gary on Apr 17, 2019 15:32:17 GMT -5
The birth of the current weighting system was to clear away from arbitrarily saying long running #1s were the biggest songs of all time. The all time lists published prior to 2000 all were heavily weighted towards songs from the 90s. 16 weeks at #1 deemed bigger than 14 weeks. Etc. the all time lists from 1994 and 1998 look nothing like the ones from today
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Post by rockgolf on Apr 17, 2019 16:00:26 GMT -5
The birth of the current weighting system was to clear away from arbitrarily saying long running #1s were the biggest songs of all time. The all time lists published prior to 2000 all were heavily weighted towards songs from the 90s. 16 weeks at #1 deemed bigger than 14 weeks. Etc. the all time lists from 1994 and 1998 look nothing like the ones from today Yes, and I think for the better. There has to some kind of balancing between eras or the current era would overwhelm the all-time list, at a time where most people have never heard some of those top songs.
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Post by rockgolf on Apr 17, 2019 16:04:50 GMT -5
Under this current method used for Bohemian, All I Want for Christmas is You (and all the other Holiday hits) would also be considered a 2010s singles, because they peaked and had majority of its run this decade which is laughable considering their popularity derives specifically from being regarded as oldies and not current 2010s hits. Bohemian earned its most points in 1992 so that's where it would go. AIWFCIY just seems to be getting more point in every year it charts, so I don't know where they'll put it. Also, do you count the Jan 1, 2019 as contributing to the 2018 chart or the 2019 chart? This year, I expect it will scrape into the 2019 top 100 year-end, based entirely on points from sales & airplay in calendar year 2018!
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