Billboard Hot 100: 04/20/2019

[Enigma.]

Same with Jonas Brothers, good times.

[Gary]

Apr 9, 2019 12:40:03 GMT -5 renaboss said:

I brought up the fact that Billy Ray might go #1 next week to a friend this afternoon and he said, "Oh good, then he won't be a one-hit-wonder anymore". And this is not someone who follows the charts and knows about rankings and statistics like we do. So yeah, a one-hit-wonder is perceived as someone who had one big song everyone knows, and that's it. Hanson had a second top 10 hit, but they're considered one hit wonders for "MMMBop". I'm not caught up on the new thing everyone is getting bitchy about, but I can just imagine that whomever opposed to the definition of one-hit-wonder was probably just being petty or pretentious about it. We all know what it means, come on.

Signature song, however, is not the same. "Achy Breaky Heart" is not Billy Ray's signature song - if you can't name any other song from an artist, it's probably cos they're a one-hit-wonder. I'm a chart buff and don't know any other Billy Ray songs myself without looking them up, so there. Cue the comments about how my own perception of one thing doesn't make it the general definition.

Nothing wrong with that. One hit wonder means in general someone with one hit, or perceived to have one hit.

Then you get into a grey area or maybe you don't I don't know, as the "perception" depends on who is stating it. I only wanted to know the context as it applies to Billy Ray in this thread, as people here see it, since it is a relevant topic to the week and it was referenced in apost. I don't care about the definition, nor am I opposed to one, just wanted to know what was being used here.

Again I apologize for letting that get out of hand. I should have stated that in the first place. A simple question that got out of hand because I was not clear enough. Time to move on perhaps.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

One hit wonder is inappropriately labeled because it’s based on long term perception, not technical charts and stats. BRC is labeled a one hit wonder because only one song of his made an impact large enough to remain in a collective mindset. Nothing more, nothing less.

[rimetm]

Apr 9, 2019 11:26:37 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Billy Ray Cyrus is NOT one hit wonder by any means. He has had 10 Hot 100 hits even before Old Town Road and two top 3 albums. Achy Breaky Heart is just his signature song.

Gonna have to correct this. Billy only has 2 empirical Hot 100 hits: Achy Breaky Heart (#4) and Ready, Set, Don’t Go (#37). He has 11 Hot 100 appearances, but unless you want to insist that for example Achy Breaky 2, which spent 1 week at #80, was a hit, you can’t count them all.

[Enigma.]

Apr 9, 2019 12:47:56 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Spotify Monday update

1. Old Town Road - Remix 3,113,535
3. Old Town Road - 1,912,369

The original is the only song in top 40 to decrease in listens, together with Murder on My Mind which decreased a minimal amount, so it's safe to say that the remix will be the most successful version of this.

[Naos]

Wouldn't that mean a lot of country stars are one-hit wonders? Thomas Rhett, Scotty McCreery, Dan + Shay, are all one-hit wonders as they all had one song do far better than all of their others and leave a big impact on the "collective mindset". Reba McEntire has also never had a hit, unless you're counting "I'm a Survivor", which only had an "impact" because of her TV show.

What does "remain in a collective mindset" even mean? Is this objective in any way, or entirely subjective to anecdotes?

[WILL]

There’s already at least one thread to discuss our opinions on what a one hit wonder is.

[jenglisbe]

Apr 9, 2019 11:49:39 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

Apr 9, 2019 11:26:37 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Billy Ray Cyrus is NOT one hit wonder by any means. He has had 10 Hot 100 hits even before Old Town Road and two top 3 albums. Achy Breaky Heart is just his signature song.

Isn't he like one of the most widely-cited cases of a one-hit wonder in music? I can see why people would consider him one considering he really only had one really huge hit (that is, you know, until now).

That said, I can also see why some people wouldn't consider him a one-hit wonder. He had another Top 40 hit (though not THAT big of a hit) on the Billboard Hot 100 with Miley Cyrus in 2008, plus he had plenty of hits on the country chart, so as far as that chart is concerned, he's really not a one-hit wonder. Another big thing that adds to the argument that he's not a one-hit wonder is the fact that his debut album Some Gave All sold 9 million copies and is the best-selling album of 1992.

It depends how you define genre hits/artists. BRC has only had 1 "mainstream" hit, so to the general public he might be a one-hit wonder. In the country music scene, he's had multiple top 10s apart from "ABB" and therefore isn't a one-hit wonder in country music. If someone thinks BRC is a one-hit wonder, how does that work for someone like George Strait who is a country music legend but never had a mainstream hit? Is he a no-hit wonder?

[jenglisbe]

Apr 9, 2019 12:40:03 GMT -5 renaboss said:

I brought up the fact that Billy Ray might go #1 next week to a friend this afternoon and he said, "Oh good, then he won't be a one-hit-wonder anymore". And this is not someone who follows the charts and knows about rankings and statistics like we do. So yeah, a one-hit-wonder is perceived as someone who had one big song everyone knows, and that's it. Hanson had a second top 10 hit, but they're considered one hit wonders for "MMMBop". I'm not caught up on the new thing everyone is getting bitchy about, but I can just imagine that whomever opposed to the definition of one-hit-wonder was probably just being petty or pretentious about it. We all know what it means, come on.

Signature song, however, is not the same. "Achy Breaky Heart" is not Billy Ray's signature song - if you can't name any other song from an artist, it's probably cos they're a one-hit-wonder. I'm a chart buff and don't know any other Billy Ray songs myself without looking them up, so there. Cue the comments about how my own perception of one thing doesn't make it the general definition.

So are country artists and R&B artists who have had great success in their genre but haven't had a mainstream hit considered no-hit artists?

[Au$tin]

Apr 9, 2019 14:43:01 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Apr 9, 2019 12:40:03 GMT -5 renaboss said:

I brought up the fact that Billy Ray might go #1 next week to a friend this afternoon and he said, "Oh good, then he won't be a one-hit-wonder anymore". And this is not someone who follows the charts and knows about rankings and statistics like we do. So yeah, a one-hit-wonder is perceived as someone who had one big song everyone knows, and that's it. Hanson had a second top 10 hit, but they're considered one hit wonders for "MMMBop". I'm not caught up on the new thing everyone is getting bitchy about, but I can just imagine that whomever opposed to the definition of one-hit-wonder was probably just being petty or pretentious about it. We all know what it means, come on.

Signature song, however, is not the same. "Achy Breaky Heart" is not Billy Ray's signature song - if you can't name any other song from an artist, it's probably cos they're a one-hit-wonder. I'm a chart buff and don't know any other Billy Ray songs myself without looking them up, so there. Cue the comments about how my own perception of one thing doesn't make it the general definition.

So are country artists and R&B artists who have had great success in their genre but haven't had a mainstream hit considered no-hit artists?

In that scenario, the artists you're speaking of likely just have a ton of people who have never heard of them. I'm thinking of someone like Dustin Lynch. Plenty of hits in the country industry, certainly by no means a flop at all, but how many people outside of the niche country industry have heard of him or any of his country hits? Likely few. That doesn't diminish his success, though.

So, in the end, one hit wonder, no hit wonder, who the hell cares? In the grand scheme of things in the music industry, it doesn't mean anything, and I will never understand this board's fascination with the term or who it applies to.

[jenglisbe]

Apr 9, 2019 14:47:13 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

So, in the end, one hit wonder, no hit wonder, who the hell cares? In the grand scheme of things in the music industry, it doesn't mean anything, and I will never understand this board's fascination with the term or who it applies to.

Some people care for whatever reason, which is their right. Why do you care what people care about?

In general a lot of crap on this board (and others) could be avoided if people just let people have their opinions/fun and didn't insert themselves. If you don't like a certain topic or opinion, ignore it. The discussion would actually end sooner if people don't complain about it.

[Au$tin]

Apr 9, 2019 14:51:47 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Apr 9, 2019 14:47:13 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

So, in the end, one hit wonder, no hit wonder, who the hell cares? In the grand scheme of things in the music industry, it doesn't mean anything, and I will never understand this board's fascination with the term or who it applies to.

Some people care for whatever reason, which is their right. Why do you care what people care about?

In general a lot of crap on this board (and others) could be avoided if people just let people have their opinions/fun and didn't insert themselves. If you don't like a certain topic or opinion, ignore it. The discussion would actually end sooner if people don't complain about it.

You could take a page from your own book.

Perhaps you'd like to comment on the first half of my post instead of just being passive aggressive about a criticism that was not at all aimed directly at you yet you somehow twisted into taking personally?

[brady47]

So "7 Rings" is Ariana's first radio #1 with 89 million AI.

In the last year, 3 of her recent singles peaked at #3 on radio "no tears left to cry", "breathin" and "thank u next", but I think they all had higher audience peaks?

So "7 rings" got lucky with it's timing

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

LIL NAS X: THE "ROAD" TO SUPERNOVA

Tuesday, April 9, 2019

Columbia's Lil Nas X appears to be on track to do 60m U.S. streams this week with"Old Town Road," which is now streaming in both its original form and as a Billy Ray Cyrus-enhanced remix.

While that may not be an all-time record for weekly streams, it's twice what the song did last week, which was already the biggest on-demand audio streaming debut for a new artist. (That was a #2 arrival on our streaming songs chart, behind Billie Eilish's "Bad Guy," which did 29m+). This thing is big, and it shows no signs of slowing down. It graduated from smash to fully fledged cultural phenomenon some time ago. And there isn't even an official video yet.

We've been hearing for some time that music needs new superstars. Don't the recent performances by Lil Nas and Billie indicate we've got some?

Now if you'll excuse us, we have to saddle up our mule.

[jenglisbe]

Apr 9, 2019 14:58:33 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Apr 9, 2019 14:51:47 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Some people care for whatever reason, which is their right. Why do you care what people care about?

In general a lot of crap on this board (and others) could be avoided if people just let people have their opinions/fun and didn't insert themselves. If you don't like a certain topic or opinion, ignore it. The discussion would actually end sooner if people don't complain about it.

You could take a page from your own book.

Perhaps you'd like to comment on the first half of my post instead of just being passive aggressive about a criticism that was not at all aimed directly at you yet you somehow twisted into taking personally?

In what way did I take it personally?

[chartfreak]

Apr 9, 2019 12:49:42 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

Phew, to think that Billy Ray Cyrus is going to get a #1 in 2019. If somebody suggest that will happen just a month ago people will think they're crazy.

This #1 for Mr. Cyrus is different to me than Jonas Brothers comeback. OTR was going #1 with or without BRC, so it's like he attached himself to a #1, know what I mean?

[Xander]

It’s crazy how as soon as Ariana hits leaves the #1 position on the hot 100, her songs fall hard like a rock

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

1 -> 3 is falling like a rock? Also, TUN is still in the top 25.

[Caviar]

Apr 9, 2019 15:50:32 GMT -5 Xander said:

It’s crazy how as soon as Ariana hits leaves the #1 position on the hot 100, her songs fall hard like a rock

It was #1 for 8 weeks???

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Apr 9, 2019 14:14:04 GMT -5 Naos said:

Wouldn't that mean a lot of country stars are one-hit wonders? Thomas Rhett, Scotty McCreery, Dan + Shay, are all one-hit wonders as they all had one song do far better than all of their others and leave a big impact on the "collective mindset". Reba McEntire has also never had a hit, unless you're counting "I'm a Survivor", which only had an "impact" because of her TV show.

What does "remain in a collective mindset" even mean? Is this objective in any way, or entirely subjective to anecdotes?

It’s most likely entirely subjective as most artists have a fan base and therefore a group of people who would know whether they had any other song do well. The problem with the term, other than the fact it’s not based on “hit” status is that most people on here look at it too deeply. It’s not really that deep. It’s more or less a label slapped on an act who, for a brief period of time, had a surge of popularity that didn’t last. If their popularity surge was due mainly to one song, they got the label. If they continued having minor hits or success within a particular format or geographical region but not nearly to the level of that one big surge, they’ll have the label.

[kcdawg13]

Old Town Road is probably my favorite track of the year, and definitely will make my list of best songs of the decade in December.

[Naos]

Apr 9, 2019 16:20:27 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Apr 9, 2019 14:14:04 GMT -5 Naos said:

Wouldn't that mean a lot of country stars are one-hit wonders? Thomas Rhett, Scotty McCreery, Dan + Shay, are all one-hit wonders as they all had one song do far better than all of their others and leave a big impact on the "collective mindset". Reba McEntire has also never had a hit, unless you're counting "I'm a Survivor", which only had an "impact" because of her TV show.

What does "remain in a collective mindset" even mean? Is this objective in any way, or entirely subjective to anecdotes?

It’s most likely entirely subjective as most artists have a fan base and therefore a group of people who would know whether they had any other song do well. The problem with the term, other than the fact it’s not based on “hit” status is that most people on here look at it too deeply. It’s not really that deep. It’s more or less a label slapped on an act who, for a brief period of time, had a surge of popularity that didn’t last. If their popularity surge was due mainly to one song, they got the label. If they continued having minor hits or success within a particular format or geographical region but not nearly to the level of that one big surge, they’ll have the label.

I'd argue the vast majority of artists are "one-hit wonders" by that definition.

[lukulele]

I feel like "old town road" will follow a similar path as "this is america" took

[rfucom]

Apr 9, 2019 16:06:18 GMT -5 Caviar said:

Apr 9, 2019 15:50:32 GMT -5 Xander said:

It’s crazy how as soon as Ariana hits leaves the #1 position on the hot 100, her songs fall hard like a rock

It was #1 for 8 weeks???

Charting 3 singles at the same time makes the song seems like dropping hard but in fact they make a way for a new ari songs. If only Ari team slows than a bit in TUN era maybe he will not say that Ari song fall hard like a rock. eh?

[Mayman]

I'm still hoping that Wow can sneak in a week at #1. It's not looking likely now.

[Deleted]

Apr 9, 2019 17:20:21 GMT -5 Mayman said:

I'm still hoping that Wow can sneak in a week at #1. It's not looking likely now.

Maybe once it radio grows he can do a BBMA performance n discount 

[Naos]

Apr 9, 2019 17:13:03 GMT -5 rfucom said:

Apr 9, 2019 16:06:18 GMT -5 Caviar said:

It was #1 for 8 weeks???

Charting 3 singles at the same time makes the song seems like dropping hard but in fact they make a way for a new ari songs. If only Ari team slows than a bit in TUN era maybe he will not say that Ari song fall hard like a rock. eh?

Grande's songs never had huge longevity if I remember correctly.

[Deleted]

I really wish 7 Rings held on for another week at number 1 so Old Town Road would spend less time at 1 but that didn't happen. Hoping for a better viral smash to overtake this soon.

[narp]

I’m hoping that one Kane Brown and Becky G Latin song gets popular

[rfucom]

Apr 9, 2019 17:42:55 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

Apr 9, 2019 17:20:21 GMT -5 Mayman said:

I'm still hoping that Wow can sneak in a week at #1. It's not looking likely now.

Maybe once it radio grows he can do a BBMA performance n discount 

Performance with dancing old man.... that will be epic.