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Post by jodakyellow on May 7, 2019 12:21:54 GMT -5
UK is pretty big in terms of consumption (and more important and relevant than Japan tbh) The top of the chart will probably skew heavily toward English-language pop songs which is probably why some of y'all are so excited about it...but nvmd
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Post by brady47 on May 7, 2019 12:23:35 GMT -5
Yes!! Had to use MediaTraffic before which wasn't the most accurate
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Post by brady47 on May 7, 2019 12:24:18 GMT -5
Man this would be so cool if it existed 20 years ago.
I kind of wish Billboard still kept the European Hot 100.
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Post by brady47 on May 7, 2019 12:27:42 GMT -5
And they're also very local. Don't Call Me Up being #20 in 50 countries would probably put it higher than something being #1 in Japan and N/A everywhere else. (Other than AKB48 for a week) www.mediatraffic.de/tracks.htmThis is more or less what I expect the new Global 100 to look like. The US Pop Songs chart with a few latin songs and KPop thrown in and occasional European EDM hits. Isn't Mediatraffic an incredibly unreliable source? The methodology and sourcing isn't exactly the best or known exactly. MediaTraffic is pretty unreliable but it's the best we got. The most inaccurate thing I've seen is "This Love" being ranked higher than "Yeah!" on the 2004 year end chart when Yeah! outpeaked This Love on every year end chart worldwide..
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Post by Leo ✔ on May 7, 2019 12:33:09 GMT -5
UK is pretty big in terms of consumption (and more important and relevant than Japan tbh) Declaring any particular country more "important" or "relevant" than another is kind of skating on problematic thin ice - it's a global chart, everyone is 'relevant' to some extent - and also somewhat contradicts your later post about other countries with big local markets. If the chart can potentially capture those countries' most popular songs, it should be able to do so with Japan too. I am highly interested in seeing how this turns out, but I also don't think there is anything wrong with someone calling it for what it is. This doesn't sound like it's going to be a 'global' 100 so much, but a 'western world' 100. The top of the chart will probably skew heavily toward English-language pop songs which is probably why some of y'all are so excited about it...but nvmd and the local markets will hit various ceilings near the bottom depending on their size. I am most curious as to how the 'everywhere but US' hits fare vs the 'nowhere else but the US' hits, just to see a) if the US market's brass-ring status is really all that deserved and b) if charting non-US hits eventually lead to US hit status due to the increased awareness. What I meant is that I see more people caring about UK charts than Japan charts
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Post by Naos on May 7, 2019 13:08:20 GMT -5
Declaring any particular country more "important" or "relevant" than another is kind of skating on problematic thin ice - it's a global chart, everyone is 'relevant' to some extent - and also somewhat contradicts your later post about other countries with big local markets. If the chart can potentially capture those countries' most popular songs, it should be able to do so with Japan too. I am highly interested in seeing how this turns out, but I also don't think there is anything wrong with someone calling it for what it is. This doesn't sound like it's going to be a 'global' 100 so much, but a 'western world' 100. The top of the chart will probably skew heavily toward English-language pop songs which is probably why some of y'all are so excited about it...but nvmd and the local markets will hit various ceilings near the bottom depending on their size. I am most curious as to how the 'everywhere but US' hits fare vs the 'nowhere else but the US' hits, just to see a) if the US market's brass-ring status is really all that deserved and b) if charting non-US hits eventually lead to US hit status due to the increased awareness. What I meant is that I see more people caring about UK charts than Japan charts Because most music that charts in Japan is either in Japanese or Korean. Very few western acts get hits in Japan. Notable examples include Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran, and Carly Rae Jepsen. Japan's industry is very insular, as is China's and India's (even though their music is mostly digital, they're very isolated more from the world than Japan even is). So it makes sense people outside those countries don't care too much for it. Especially since they're not making music in English, which is what the "Global" chart heavily is skewed towards. The biggest markets in 2018 were: 1. United States 2. Japan 3. United Kingdom 4. Germany 5. France 6. South Korea 7. China 8. Australia 9. Canada 10. Brazil I can imagine none of the Asian countries having a large impact, except for maybe South Korea. But even then, like Japan, South Korea still has a physical copies market. I doubt China, who has the vast majority of their music being digital (more so than the US), would even benefit. And Brazil likely won't have too much of an impact. In fact, France is also pretty local, and has a good amount of physical sales as well (though I'm not sure if that's for albums or singles). I might wait till it's actually revealed to see, but I can imagine it'll be the Canadian Hot 100 (as itself is already a combination of US, UK, and local acts), with the occasional Latin and Korean song thrown in. My point is, if you're going to make a "worldwide" chart... perhaps don't exclude some of the biggest industries in the world, including the 2nd one behind the US.
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Post by Leo ✔ on May 7, 2019 13:25:47 GMT -5
What I meant is that I see more people caring about UK charts than Japan charts Because most music that charts in Japan is either in Japanese or Korean. Very few western acts get hits in Japan. Notable examples include Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran, and Carly Rae Jepsen. Japan's industry is very insular, as is China's and India's (even though their music is mostly digital, they're very isolated more from the world than Japan even is). So it makes sense people outside those countries don't care too much for it. Especially since they're not making music in English, which is what the "Global" chart heavily is skewed towards. The biggest markets in 2018 were: 1. United States 2. Japan 3. United Kingdom 4. Germany 5. France 6. South Korea 7. China 8. Australia 9. Canada 10. Brazil I can imagine none of the Asian countries having a large impact, except for maybe South Korea. But even then, like Japan, South Korea still has a physical copies market. I doubt China, who has the vast majority of their music being digital (more so than the US), would even benefit. And Brazil likely won't have too much of an impact. In fact, France is also pretty local, and has a good amount of physical sales as well (though I'm not sure if that's for albums or singles). I might wait till it's actually revealed to see, but I can imagine it'll be the Canadian Hot 100 (as itself is already a combination of US, UK, and local acts), with the occasional Latin and Korean song thrown in. My point is, if you're going to make a "worldwide" chart... perhaps don't exclude some of the biggest industries in the world, including the 2nd one behind the US. 1) TL,DR 2) IS NOT THAT DEEP. 3) We don't know how it will be weighted. 4) Who the fuck is saying the chart will exclude charts or markets?? Your assumption of it being similar as Canadian Hot 100 is your and only yours. /bye
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Post by Naos on May 7, 2019 13:42:42 GMT -5
Because most music that charts in Japan is either in Japanese or Korean. Very few western acts get hits in Japan. Notable examples include Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran, and Carly Rae Jepsen. Japan's industry is very insular, as is China's and India's (even though their music is mostly digital, they're very isolated more from the world than Japan even is). So it makes sense people outside those countries don't care too much for it. Especially since they're not making music in English, which is what the "Global" chart heavily is skewed towards. The biggest markets in 2018 were: 1. United States 2. Japan 3. United Kingdom 4. Germany 5. France 6. South Korea 7. China 8. Australia 9. Canada 10. Brazil I can imagine none of the Asian countries having a large impact, except for maybe South Korea. But even then, like Japan, South Korea still has a physical copies market. I doubt China, who has the vast majority of their music being digital (more so than the US), would even benefit. And Brazil likely won't have too much of an impact. In fact, France is also pretty local, and has a good amount of physical sales as well (though I'm not sure if that's for albums or singles). I might wait till it's actually revealed to see, but I can imagine it'll be the Canadian Hot 100 (as itself is already a combination of US, UK, and local acts), with the occasional Latin and Korean song thrown in. My point is, if you're going to make a "worldwide" chart... perhaps don't exclude some of the biggest industries in the world, including the 2nd one behind the US. 1) TL,DR 2) IS NOT THAT DEEP. 3) We don't know how it will be weighted. 4) Who the f**k is saying the chart will exclude charts or markets?? Your assumption of it being similar as Canadian Hot 100 is your and only yours. /bye I never said it was "deep". By excluding physical sales, the entire Japanese market would be excluded. When you exclude 80% of a country's sales, you are effectively excluding the market. You'd also be hindering South Korea and other European countries that still have a good amount of physical sales. It'd be like excluding streaming from every western country. It's not that hard to figure out. I said it would be similar to the Canadian charts, because most western charts have a ton of crossover as it is, and the Canadian charts are the epitome of crossover. This will be a heavily western chart and this is obvious. It'll mostly be pop music of North America and Western Europe.
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Post by Gary on May 7, 2019 13:55:54 GMT -5
A sale is a sale. The reason to weight is to convert to a common currency I would think
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on May 7, 2019 13:57:57 GMT -5
A sale is a sale. The reason to weight is to convert to a common currency I would think That’s dumb, because the chart isn’t currency based. It’s units based.
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Post by Gary on May 7, 2019 14:30:17 GMT -5
A sale is a sale. The reason to weight is to convert to a common currency I would think That’s dumb, because the chart isn’t currency based. It’s units based. Which are in turn based on dollars
The weighting by country would likely need to be adjusted, among other things....currency
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Post by renaboss on May 7, 2019 19:25:46 GMT -5
Will people here start making Global 100 predictions?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 19:32:39 GMT -5
The top 3 for this week would had been ME!, Old Town Road, and bad guy.
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Post by Gary on May 7, 2019 20:15:27 GMT -5
When is the first chart?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 20:24:43 GMT -5
Maybe in December on the first week that they start data towards 2020?
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Post by kimberly on May 7, 2019 23:37:26 GMT -5
www.mediatraffic.de/tracks.htmThis is more or less what I expect the new Global 100 to look like. The US Pop Songs chart with a few latin songs and KPop thrown in and occasional European EDM hits. Ava Max's "So Am I" is low-key a hit on there, so I wonder what songs would make it big on G100 and not even chart on Hot 100.
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Post by shayonce on May 8, 2019 3:51:11 GMT -5
it will be interesting how they will incorporate Asian sales/streams.(or not. lol) it's very complicated as different revenue models going on in asian market, huge physical marekt(which is just goods), china's huge numbers...
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on May 8, 2019 9:16:29 GMT -5
Since this won't be a revenue chart, I think they will only set a ratio between digital sales, premium streams and ad-supported streams. Otherwise, a download is a download and a stream is a stream.
Also, physical singles sales I only strong in Japan or South Korea, I think.
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Post by chartslovergermany on May 8, 2019 11:34:19 GMT -5
What I meant is that I see more people caring about UK charts than Japan charts Because most music that charts in Japan is either in Japanese or Korean. Very few western acts get hits in Japan. Notable examples include Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran, and Carly Rae Jepsen. Japan's industry is very insular, as is China's and India's (even though their music is mostly digital, they're very isolated more from the world than Japan even is). So it makes sense people outside those countries don't care too much for it. Especially since they're not making music in English, which is what the "Global" chart heavily is skewed towards. The biggest markets in 2018 were: 1. United States 2. Japan 3. United Kingdom 4. Germany 5. France 6. South Korea 7. China 8. Australia 9. Canada 10. Brazil I can imagine none of the Asian countries having a large impact, except for maybe South Korea. But even then, like Japan, South Korea still has a physical copies market. I doubt China, who has the vast majority of their music being digital (more so than the US), would even benefit. And Brazil likely won't have too much of an impact. In fact, France is also pretty local, and has a good amount of physical sales as well (though I'm not sure if that's for albums or singles). I might wait till it's actually revealed to see, but I can imagine it'll be the Canadian Hot 100 (as itself is already a combination of US, UK, and local acts), with the occasional Latin and Korean song thrown in. My point is, if you're going to make a "worldwide" chart... perhaps don't exclude some of the biggest industries in the world, including the 2nd one behind the US. Germany at #4😮😮😍if that's true then nice :)
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Post by dajross6 on May 9, 2019 15:44:11 GMT -5
I wonder if eventually this chart will overtake the Hot 100 as most relevant for music labels. With the globalization of pretty much everything, a high place on this chart may even open up markets easier for song charting high. I'm sure the Hot 100 will always be around, but wouldn't a #1 Global 100 mean more?
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Post by iHype. on Jan 14, 2020 14:08:50 GMT -5
I wonder what happened with this...
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Post by tanooki on Jan 14, 2020 14:21:12 GMT -5
I wonder what happened with this... i know its still happening.. just delayed lol
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Post by thabb on Jan 14, 2020 14:26:15 GMT -5
probably got delayed, maybe some industry bullsh-t involving youtube streams
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jan 14, 2020 14:33:46 GMT -5
I wonder what happened with this... Probably still working out some kinks. They shouldn't have jumped the gun and announced it until it was done and ready to go.
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Post by imbondz on Jan 24, 2020 18:03:08 GMT -5
So it will basically be the US Chart with a few straggles from across the pond.
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Post by velaxti on Jan 24, 2020 22:06:18 GMT -5
Cool idea. But tbh, what I'd be really curious to see are 50 state-wide charts for the US. Or even for every county. Maybe that's going a little too far. See I want that but it’d never take off It’d be sick to see local music in some areas chart, but billboard probably wouldn’t want success to be that easy or to give out so many number ones etc etc etc AT LEAST for states. I don’t think that’s crazy, I’d LOOOOOOOVE state charts SO MUCH I think State charts could be estimated. We have the technology and data to do it I think. I have an idea for how to calculate estimates of what they would have been (and in theory I could retroactively do charts for up to the late 00s), but I want to test it out before I give away my methodology, because I could just completely embarrass myself lol. And of course I could do current charts as well, if it works. Someone said that Billboard wouldn't want to give out success that easily, but firstly the US is a huge country, secondly, nothing gives out success more easily than that ridiculous Dance/Club chart which they've been happily publishing for decades (and they have a plethora of genre, airplay and Internet charts where relatively unknown songs can chart high), thirdly, I'm pretty sure more artists getting success on Billboard charts would just make the company more popular (especially with how social media works, and also now that they've got another competitor in Rolling Stone). The reason they probably don't want to do it I would imagine is that they can't be bothered to write 50 articles a week for each state lol. Either that or some of the companies can't give them data by state. I know they can get it for airplay and Youtube, but maybe some of the other major streaming and download sites can't give them the data, or at least not reliably on a weekly basis, so they don't want to do it, which I can understand. It would be a less if they launch a bunch of charts and then can't publish them half the time.
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Post by velaxti on Jan 24, 2020 22:11:02 GMT -5
Man this would be so cool if it existed 20 years ago. I kind of wish Billboard still kept the European Hot 100. I liked the European Hot 100, but now people are talking about weighting, a common theme in that chart were songs only popular in the UK (and Ireland sometimes), but non-existent in other countries would debut around #7 and then freefall down the chart. A similar thing would probably happen with Japan songs in this chart.
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Post by notgoodenglish on Jan 24, 2020 22:17:39 GMT -5
dance monkey number one for sure
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Post by somelikeitwhen on Jan 24, 2020 22:48:46 GMT -5
Apparently there was a short-lived UK Hot 100 published in the pages of this magazine called Music Monitor. I found an issue on eBay but that's the only evidence of its existence I've found.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 10:06:40 GMT -5
dance monkey number one for sure And "Don't Start Now" would be in the top 10 as it rightfully deserves 😉
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