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Post by nickd on Dec 15, 2019 13:08:50 GMT -5
BTW... what publishers still have the breakdown? warner chappell universal music publishing global music rights sony atv have old database but hard to see ah, ok I was able to find it, including for Sony ATV which is Taylor's publisher. But it's still just the % owned by songwriters affiliated with that publisher right, it doesn't break it down by songwriter in some other database I haven't found yet? Like it seems Jack Antonoff and Ed Sheeran are also with Sony-ATV so you can't know how they split the songwriting share with Taylor. It does show how she split things with Liz Rose though which is cool, Liz Rose is with BMI like Taylor but she's not with Sony ATV. On the Swift-Rose co-writes, the split is almost always 1/8 to Liz Rose and 7/8 to Taylor, except where they brought in a third co-writer, in which case the 3rd co-writer got 1/3 and Taylor got 7/8 of the remaining 2/3 (58.34%), and except for the last two songs they wrote together, which were You Belong With Me and All Too Well where the credits were split 50/50. Looks like there were a few Swift-Martin-Shellback songs that weren't split 33/33/33 too, which I didn't notice before. Gorgeous, I Did Something Bad and King of My Heart are split 50/25/25. Looks like they didn't have to give up too much for the sample on Look What You Made Me Do either, the writers of Too Sexy only got 25% combined.
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Post by nickd on Dec 16, 2019 0:42:04 GMT -5
Cornell Iral Haynes Jr. (Nelly) Points: 10797 Updates David Foster increases from 18664 to 18904 points John D Loudermilk decreases from 18884 to 18831 points
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Post by shayonce on Dec 16, 2019 3:15:22 GMT -5
warner chappell universal music publishing global music rights sony atv have old database but hard to see ah, ok I was able to find it, including for Sony ATV which is Taylor's publisher. But it's still just the % owned by songwriters affiliated with that publisher right, it doesn't break it down by songwriter in some other database I haven't found yet? Like it seems Jack Antonoff and Ed Sheeran are also with Sony-ATV so you can't know how they split the songwriting share with Taylor. yeah. they're all like that usually. so I cross check ASCAP/BMI with those websites.
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Post by nickd on Dec 18, 2019 11:33:43 GMT -5
Charli XCX Points: 3077 Double checked/updated a few more too Neil Sedaka's points decrease from 20725 to 20235 Brian Wilson's points decrease from 20369 to 17782 Bob Seger's original total was double checked and I didn't see any changes that needed to be made
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Post by nickd on Dec 20, 2019 1:49:47 GMT -5
Freddie Perren Points: 14694 Ed Sheeran's points increase from 21268 to 21430, that includes a No.6 Collaboration's album bomb plus a lot of I Don't Care and Beautiful People's chart run but he turned out to have additional co-writers on some songs Benny Blanco's points increase from 21311 to 22709, partly thanks to Senorita No changes were needed for Jim Steinman
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Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 20, 2019 5:06:02 GMT -5
nickd I know they don't have a lot of hits, but it'd be nice to see the points for artists like Lana Del Rey, Tinashe and Jhené Aiko. It'd also be nice to get the points for other mainstream rappers like Wale, Big Sean and Kid Cudi.
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Post by nickd on Dec 24, 2019 19:02:00 GMT -5
Sean Garrett Points: 11057 Double checks/updates to other songwriters Janet Jackson - points increase from 13681 to 13707 since I had left out No Sleeeep and Made For Now Chuck Berry - points decrease from 23160 to 17964, mainly because I forgot to double check whether his hits charted on the Hot 100 or just the Top 100 Bob Dylan - no changes needed to the original stats
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Post by nickd on Dec 26, 2019 21:40:15 GMT -5
Big Sean Points: 3662 thegreatdivine Double checks/updates The-Dream - points decrease from 12135 to 11973 Stargate - points for both Erikssen and Hermanssen increase from 23983 to 24932
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Post by nickd on Dec 28, 2019 18:20:50 GMT -5
Tricky Stewart Points: 10604 Double checks/updates Adele's points increase from 13041 to 13149 (missed the Glee covers). Daryl Hall's points increase from 23996 to 24086. Jeff Lynne's points increase from 24252 to 24763 (mainly because of Stay With Me which I previously missed)
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Post by nickd on Dec 30, 2019 18:09:07 GMT -5
Elizabeth Grant (Lana Del Rey) Points: 1619 thegreatdivine Double checks/updates Mick Jagger & Keith Richards' points decrease by 400 points each to 24258 and 22289 respectively, because I messed up when I entered the points for Bette Midler's cover of Beast of Burden P!nk's points decrease from 14524 to 14473. Ed Sheeran's points increase from 21430 to 21498 after updating the points for some of his recent songs. James Brown's points increase from 24394 to 26827 after adding several songs that sampled him ("That's The Way Love Goes", "Rock That Body", "Here We Go Again", "Re-arranged", "Check It Out", "Can't You See" and "You Don't Have To Worry"). Hopefully I'm not missing any more samples, at least from major hits, although it's possible that I am since he got sampled a lot.
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Post by nickd on Jan 2, 2020 15:05:20 GMT -5
Onika Maraj-Petty (Nicki Minaj) Points: 14016 thegreatdivineMariah Carey's points decrease from 25098 to 22899 despite the addition of this holiday season's chart run for AIWFCIY since it looks like she doesn't officially have songwriter credits on "I Know What You Want" and "Without You" and there were extra co-writers on a few other songs. Katy Perry's points decrease from 13981 to 13859 mostly from extra songwriting credits on California Gurls.
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Post by nickd on Jan 2, 2020 22:22:12 GMT -5
Tom Petty Points: 14296 Double checks/updates Rob Thomas' points increase from 25719 to 25776. It's crazy to think that he could have had around 32-34k points if 3 AM and Push had a physical release and were eligible to chart.
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Post by nickd on Jan 5, 2020 21:57:41 GMT -5
Meghan Trainor Points: 7312 Double checks/updates Bruno Mars' points decrease from 14777 to 14589 Robin Gibb's points decrease from 25884 to 25522
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Post by nickd on Jan 6, 2020 23:18:24 GMT -5
Annie Lennox Points: 9264 Double checks/updates Shellback's points increase from 26994 to 27498 mainly due to extra charting from No 6 Collaborations songs. Sia's points decrease from 7939 to 7420 due to extra co-writers Ester Dean's points decrease from 8561 to 8159 due to extra co-writers
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Post by nickd on Jan 7, 2020 21:36:41 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson Points: 5607 Double checks/updates Narada Michael Walden's points increase from 8651 to 9065 since I missed a couple songs Sam Cooke's points decrease from 27131 to 26565 Paul Anka's points decrease from 27953 to 26480
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Post by nickd on Jan 9, 2020 15:09:44 GMT -5
Linda Perry Points: 7449 Double checks/updates Tricky Stewart's points increase from 10065 to 10604 after adding in Touch My Body. Mutt Lange's points decrease from 28003 to 27604. Lamont Dozier's points decrease from 28027 to 27944.
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Post by nickd on Jan 11, 2020 14:41:08 GMT -5
Paul Hewson (Bono) & David Evans (The Edge) Points: 5427 (each) Adam Clayton and Lary Mullen Jr. should be close behind. Double checks/updates Ryan Tedder's points increase from 28172 to 28273 Will Jenning's points increase from 14649 to 14705 Brian Holland's points increase from 28581 to 28840
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Post by nickd on Jan 12, 2020 0:59:36 GMT -5
Shania Twain Points: 8331 Double checks/updates Madonna's points decrease from 28948 to 27255 Kenny Gamble's points increase from 28878 to 29167 Norman Whitfield's points increase from 29394 to 29514
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Post by nickd on Jan 15, 2020 12:32:31 GMT -5
Alanis Morissette Points: 4481 The fact that many of her singles were ineligible to chart due to having radio only releases held her back a lot. Based on those songs' radio performances, she'd probably have around 7000 points if not for that fact. Double checks/updates Bernie Taupin's points increase from 29631 to 30919 Brian Holland's points increase from 28840 to 29100 Richard Marx's points decrease from 26987 to 26662
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Post by nickd on Jan 15, 2020 17:28:56 GMT -5
Charlie Puth Points: 4810 Double checks/updates Jermaine Dupri's points decrease from 29696 to 25428, many of his songs turned out to have samples/extra co-writers Eddie Holland's points increase from 29497 to 29821 (mostly thanks to this season's run from Last Christmas) George Michael's points increase from 29957 to 30341
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Post by rockgolf on Jan 16, 2020 9:15:34 GMT -5
How about Robbie Robertson? Not much on his own, but his songs with and without The Band (The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down, The Weight, Broken Arrow) have had successful covers.
And Bobby Helms! Is he more than just the writer of Jingle Bell Rock and Rockin Around the Christmas Tree?
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Post by nickd on Jan 16, 2020 16:46:04 GMT -5
How about Robbie Robertson? Not much on his own, but his songs with and without The Band (The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down, The Weight, Broken Arrow) have had successful covers. I'll add him to my to-do list. And Bobby Helms! Is he more than just the writer of Jingle Bell Rock and Rockin Around the Christmas Tree? Actually he's kinda less than that considering he didn't write either of those (or any other hit). Jingle Bell Rock was written by Joel Beal and Jim Boothe and Rockin Around The Christmas Tree was written by Johnny Marks, who also wrote Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer, A Holly Jolly Christmas and The Night Before Christmas Song.
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Post by nickd on Jan 20, 2020 13:34:15 GMT -5
Linda Creed Points: 9498 Double checks/updates Sting's points increase from 30936 to 33673 Fergie's points decrease from 10765 to 8682 Britney Spear's points increase from 894 to 930 Bruce Springsteen's points decrease from 31201 to 31092
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Post by rockgolf on Jan 20, 2020 15:20:43 GMT -5
Gordon Lightfoot could have had a writing credit on Greatest Love of All. The melody of the bridge is identical to the melody of the bridge on his earlier hit If You Could Read My Mind. (I decided long ago never to walk in anyone's shadow / If you read between the lines you'll know that I'm the ghost that you can't see.) He sued, but ending up dropping the suit, possible because of Linda Creed's poor health.
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Post by nickd on Jan 20, 2020 16:07:54 GMT -5
Gordon Lightfoot could have had a writing credit on Greatest Love of All. The melody of the bridge is identical to the melody of the bridge on his earlier hit If You Could Read My Mind. (I decided long ago never to walk in anyone's shadow / If you read between the lines you'll know that I'm the ghost that you can't see.) He sued, but ending up dropping the suit, possible because of Linda Creed's poor health. Looks like him dropping the suit meant he was never formally credited.
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Post by thirddegree50123 on Jan 20, 2020 16:26:45 GMT -5
Very impressed seeing Rob Thomas in the top 50.
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Post by nickd on Jan 24, 2020 11:45:58 GMT -5
Neil Peart Points: 742 Double checks/updates Cathy Dennis' points remain unchanged Giorgio Moroder's points decrease from 12896 to 12391 Kara DioGuardi's points increase from 6691 to 6717
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jan 24, 2020 11:48:57 GMT -5
nickd is Drake finally going to surpass 30K points from the points he'll gain from Life Is Good?
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Post by nickd on Jan 24, 2020 12:27:23 GMT -5
nickd is Drake finally going to surpass 30K points from the points he'll gain from Life Is Good? Depends how big of a hit it turns out being. I think he'll most likely need a couple more releases though.
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Post by nickd on Jan 26, 2020 1:58:33 GMT -5
Ilya Salmandazeh Points: 5888 Double checks/updates Kara DioGuardi's points increase from 6691 to 7167 (mainly because I missed Good Girls Go Bad) Bonnie McKee's points decrease 5850 to 5618 Ryan Tedder's points increase from 28273 to 28297 Hal David's points increase from 32478 to 32665 Phil Collin's points remain unchanged at 31846
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