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Post by weaver on Jul 25, 2019 12:19:59 GMT -5
How on earth does Mariah have 14% credit for I Still Believe? Maybe for the Pure Imagination remix? Unless she wrote for Brenda K while she was doing backup... OK I changed it to 0%. For some reason one of the websites I was using to get my data had these guys listed as the songwriter credits www.racpro.com/grid.php?pid=4&sid=5510&type=ht Written by: Antonina Armato/Leslie Bricusse/Beppe Cantarelli/Mariah Carey/Al Henderson/Anthony Newley/Damion Young For the first few songwriters I did I didn't cross-reference the songwriting credits between all my sources (musicvf.com, racpro.com, wikipedia, genius lyrics) but I usually do so now. I think that's for the I Still Believe (Pure Imagination) remix which is essentially a totally different song. But then I would think Rodgers and Hammerstein would be listed, as it is an interpolation of the song from Willy Wonka.
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Post by nickd on Jul 25, 2019 12:43:25 GMT -5
OK I changed it to 0%. For some reason one of the websites I was using to get my data had these guys listed as the songwriter credits www.racpro.com/grid.php?pid=4&sid=5510&type=ht Written by: Antonina Armato/Leslie Bricusse/Beppe Cantarelli/Mariah Carey/Al Henderson/Anthony Newley/Damion Young For the first few songwriters I did I didn't cross-reference the songwriting credits between all my sources (musicvf.com, racpro.com, wikipedia, genius lyrics) but I usually do so now. I think that's for the I Still Believe (Pure Imagination) remix which is essentially a totally different song. But then I would think Rodgers and Hammerstein would be listed, as it is an interpolation of the song from Willy Wonka. Yeah, looks like it was for the remix. Is there any way to check which songwriters were credited by Billboard?
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Post by rockgolf on Jul 25, 2019 14:54:40 GMT -5
OK I changed it to 0%. For some reason one of the websites I was using to get my data had these guys listed as the songwriter credits www.racpro.com/grid.php?pid=4&sid=5510&type=ht Written by: Antonina Armato/Leslie Bricusse/Beppe Cantarelli/Mariah Carey/Al Henderson/Anthony Newley/Damion Young For the first few songwriters I did I didn't cross-reference the songwriting credits between all my sources (musicvf.com, racpro.com, wikipedia, genius lyrics) but I usually do so now. I think that's for the I Still Believe (Pure Imagination) remix which is essentially a totally different song. But then I would think Rodgers and Hammerstein would be listed, as it is an interpolation of the song from Willy Wonka. Rodgers & Hammerstein didn't write the original Willy Wonka. Newley & Bricusse, already credited, did.
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Post by nickd on Jul 25, 2019 21:17:37 GMT -5
I think that's for the I Still Believe (Pure Imagination) remix which is essentially a totally different song. But then I would think Rodgers and Hammerstein would be listed, as it is an interpolation of the song from Willy Wonka. Rodgers & Hammerstein didn't write the original Willy Wonka. Newley & Bricusse, already credited, did. Looks like the song that went #4 was Mariah Carey's cover though rather than the remix? In that case I'll leave it as 0% share of the writing credit for Mariah.
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Post by nickd on Jul 25, 2019 22:25:12 GMT -5
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Post by weaver on Jul 26, 2019 6:58:26 GMT -5
I think that's for the I Still Believe (Pure Imagination) remix which is essentially a totally different song. But then I would think Rodgers and Hammerstein would be listed, as it is an interpolation of the song from Willy Wonka. Rodgers & Hammerstein didn't write the original Willy Wonka. Newley & Bricusse, already credited, did. Oh ok. I thought I remembered an interview about the song with Mariah talking about playing the Pure Imagination song for them over the phone for their approval. Maybe i'm not remembering correctly. Or maybe they needed to clear it for some other reason.
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Post by rockgolf on Jul 26, 2019 7:49:20 GMT -5
Rodgers & Hammerstein didn't write the original Willy Wonka. Newley & Bricusse, already credited, did. Oh ok. I thought I remembered an interview about the song with Mariah talking about playing the Pure Imagination song for them over the phone for their approval. Maybe i'm not remembering correctly. Or maybe they needed to clear it for some other reason. You must be misremembering since both died before 1980.
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Post by weaver on Jul 26, 2019 7:55:44 GMT -5
Oh ok. I thought I remembered an interview about the song with Mariah talking about playing the Pure Imagination song for them over the phone for their approval. Maybe i'm not remembering correctly. Or maybe they needed to clear it for some other reason. You must be misremembering since both died before 1980. Ok I don't know where I got the Rodgers and Hammerstein part lol...but this is the interview I was thinking of: youtu.be/jqX-MUxfacY
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Post by nickd on Jul 26, 2019 8:32:06 GMT -5
Wow! Not enough from Mick to make the top ten to date on page 1. I hope you expand that to a running top 20 or 30. I wonder how much it hurt him that the Billboard charts only included modern rock and pop formats from radio. How big were other rock radio formats during The Rolling Stones' peak?
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Post by rockgolf on Jul 26, 2019 12:48:18 GMT -5
Wow! Not enough from Mick to make the top ten to date on page 1. I hope you expand that to a running top 20 or 30. I wonder how much it hurt him that the Billboard charts only included modern rock and pop formats from radio. How big were other rock radio formats during The Rolling Stones' peak? Probably not a lot. There are few "classic rock" tracks by the Stones that weren't released as singles. Sympathy For the Devil, 2000 Light Years from Home, You Can't Always Get What You Want, Under My Thumb, Gimme Shelter. Great songs but I doubt they'd have been major chart hits, and in those days of one song at a time from an act, it would probably have displaced a different hit.
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Post by nickd on Jul 26, 2019 15:20:13 GMT -5
I wonder how much it hurt him that the Billboard charts only included modern rock and pop formats from radio. How big were other rock radio formats during The Rolling Stones' peak? Probably not a lot. There are few "classic rock" tracks by the Stones that weren't released as singles. Sympathy For the Devil, 2000 Light Years from Home, You Can't Always Get What You Want, Under My Thumb, Gimme Shelter. Great songs but I doubt they'd have been major chart hits, and in those days of one song at a time from an act, it would probably have displaced a different hit. I just meant that they could've charted higher/longer if the entirety of their radio airplay was counted rather than just part of it + single sales?
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Post by nickd on Jul 26, 2019 15:27:19 GMT -5
So for songwriters that wrote most of their songs as part of a due/team, I'm generally just going to do the stats for the most prolific songwriter of the bunch, at least until I've covered everyone else, and then I'll come back around to the less prolific members of each team. For the Gibb Brothers/Bee Gees, that would be Barry. Barry Gibb Points: 37960 paulhaney rockgolf
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Post by nickd on Jul 26, 2019 16:48:19 GMT -5
For a moment I forgot just how many of his songs he wrote himself or with only one co-writer. Adam Richard Wiles (Calvin Harris) Points: 17175
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Post by nickd on Jul 27, 2019 12:20:14 GMT -5
Benjamin Joseph Levin (Benny Blanco) Points: 22709 (songs in bold are still charting)
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Post by nickd on Jul 29, 2019 21:08:52 GMT -5
Michael Jackson Points: 38979
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Post by nickd on Jul 30, 2019 22:00:30 GMT -5
Lukasz Gottwald (Dr. Luke) Points: 33692 (songs in bold are still charting)
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 30, 2019 22:17:25 GMT -5
nickd you wouldn't need to do it now because I love how arranged these lists are, and knowing Drake, he might drop even more songs before the end of the year, but you'll eventually need to add the points from songs like Omertà, Money in the Grave, No Guidance and Gold Roses. Songs that have all been released which all feature Drake, either as a lead/featured artist and which aren't in your current list of songs for him. So far, great job. Neil Diamond is a legend. So is Michael Jackson. They have so many points. Your lists get interesting every time I see them.
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Post by nickd on Jul 31, 2019 13:23:17 GMT -5
nickd you wouldn't need to do it now because I love how arranged these lists are, and knowing Drake, he might drop even more songs before the end of the year, but you'll eventually need to add the points from songs like Omertà, Money in the Grave, No Guidance and Gold Roses. Songs that have all been released which all feature Drake, either as a lead/featured artist and which aren't in your current list of songs for him. So far, great job. Neil Diamond is a legend. So is Michael Jackson. They have so many points. Your lists get interesting every time I see them. Yeah for artists like Drake that are constantly charting I'll probably just update every couple months.
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Post by nickd on Jul 31, 2019 17:43:46 GMT -5
George Michael Points: 30341
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 31, 2019 18:39:59 GMT -5
nickd I think the better thing to do would be to update pages of artists who still chart songs that frequently every year. You should probably wait till the last week of 2019 to update Drake's page.
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Post by paulhaney on Aug 1, 2019 5:46:02 GMT -5
Even with the splitting of points (a lot with John Lennon and even a few with Linda McCartney), I would think that Paul McCartney would give Neil Diamond a run for the money at the top of the list.
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Post by rockgolf on Aug 1, 2019 7:43:08 GMT -5
nickd : You've listed the same set of George Michael's songs twice (basically the first page) and missed all but his first Wham! hit.
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Post by nickd on Aug 1, 2019 9:47:36 GMT -5
nickd : You've listed the same set of George Michael's songs twice (basically the first page) and missed all but his first Wham! hit. Fixed - I uploaded the wrong screenshot - the points total was still correct.
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Post by nickd on Aug 1, 2019 9:56:58 GMT -5
Even with the splitting of points (a lot with John Lennon and even a few with Linda McCartney), I would think that Paul McCartney would give Neil Diamond a run for the money at the top of the list. Yeah, there's still a few that could score 40k+ points, I'm mostly focusing on other noteworthy songwriters that have the potential to end up in the 20-40k point range. Anyways, it does seem like songwriters who wrote a lot of their material solo are at a significant advantage here compared to your Record Research list, so even songwriters from the lower reaches of that list, or those who fell a bit short of making the list could get 20k+ points if they have 100% credit on a lot of their songs. If there's any like that you can think of that we haven't covered yet (other than Diane Warren and Prince who I'm working on).
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Post by paulhaney on Aug 1, 2019 10:04:10 GMT -5
A few off the top of my head:
Billy Joel Bruce Springsteen Sting (he wrote both The Police and most of his solo hits by himself)
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Post by rockgolf on Aug 1, 2019 10:50:39 GMT -5
Some Motown writers that could be near the top: - Stevie Wonder
- Smokey Robinson
- Marvin Gaye
- Brian Holland / Lamont Dozier / Eddie Holland, even separately*
All scored not just on their original versions, but often with covers. Lots of covers.
* make sure to include the tracks they published under the pseudonym of "Edyth Wayne", too!
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Post by rockgolf on Aug 1, 2019 10:53:46 GMT -5
A few off the top of my head: Billy Joel Bruce Springsteen Sting (he wrote both The Police and most of his solo hits by himself) The Boss also benefits from a few big covers: Blinded By the Light (his only #1 song), Pointer Sisters' Fire, 2 versions of Because the Night. Sting will get credit for Money For Nothing and I'll Be Missing You, too. I can't think of any significant Billy Joel covers.
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Post by nickd on Aug 1, 2019 13:55:54 GMT -5
Stargate - the songwriting duo made up of T.E. Hermansen and M.S. Eriksen. It looks like they didn't have any Hot 100 hits separate from each other so these are the points each of them have (ie not combined). They were involved in a lot of Rihanna's hits and also worked Ne-Yo a lot, not just on his own songs but on songs he wrote for other artists too. Points: 24932
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Post by paulhaney on Aug 2, 2019 6:12:22 GMT -5
I can't think of any significant Billy Joel covers. No, but aside from a couple of insignificant covers, he did write all his hits by himself (and he had a lot of big ones). I bet his point total is up there.
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