Top songwriters by Hot 100 points

[c0ldasfire]

How much is a point worth dollar wise?

[nickd]

Aug 20, 2019 11:57:53 GMT -5 c0ldasfire said:

How much is a point worth dollar wise?

It doesn't translate very well, considering this measures only Hot 100 performance and songwriters can get royalties from album sales, performances, licensing for commercials, movies and TV shows, not to mention pay outs that have changed with time and depending on the platform for the various forms of consumption, different ratios of worldwide to US consumption, and widely differing recurrent stats - they're much better for rock songwriters like Mick Jagger than for Curtis Mayfield for example.

But adjusted for inflation, I'd say one point is worth somewhere in the hundreds to thousands of dollars. 

[nickd]

Phil Collins

Points: 31846

[nickd]

Kenneth Gamble

Points: 29167







paulhaney rockgolf - I haven't done Leon Huff's point total but it should be a little lower since the vast majority of his material was co-written with Kenny Gamble. Gamble's point total ended up being a bit lower than I expected, but it seems a lot of his songs peaked low or had short chart runs. Pretty sure the database I've been using had all his songs but let me know if you notice any missing, he had a lot.

[paulhaney]

Well, there goes 2 more of my guesses! I thought maybe the sheer number of Gamble/Huff hits would be enough, but the lower chart positions did them in. Wonder how many of my now 10 guesses will be in the Top 11?!?

[paulhaney]

Since Gamble and Huff are now out of the running, I decided to add Taylor Swift to my guess list. I think she has a few too many co-writers, but she did also write quite a few big hits by herself and don't believe she's been done yet, so just maybe she's in the Top 11. So, here are my current guesses:

Paul McCartney
John Lennon
Prince - finished at #7
Diane Warren
Stevie Wonder - finished at #8
Smokey Robinson - finished at #10
Babyface
Max Martin
R. Kelly
Lionel Richie - finished at #9
Taylor Swift - finished at #11

[insen_13]

Taylor Swift, please 💕

[nickd]

The #11 songwriter may have been underestimated by some due to having fewer #1 hits than most of the songwriters in the top 10. However, charts in the last few decades have exhibited different patterns compared to the 60s-70s when chart runs were shorter and there were a lot more #1s in any given year, usually around 25-30 songs per year, sometimes even more, with 35 songs reaching #1 in both 1975 and 1976. Based on how this songwriter's songs ranked within their year of release, they would probably have roughly twice as many #1 hits if the charts had similar characteristics as the charts of the 60s and 70s.

The song that earned them the most points charted for almost a year, earning them more songwriter points than any song from the songwriters in the top 10 aside from a couple songs by Dianne Warren and Babyface, and reached #1 on the year end radio songs chart, yet it did not reach #1 on the Hot 100.

[Okay]

So are you starting the top 11 countdown?

[nickd]

Taylor Swift

Points: 45915





paulhaney
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I also broke down her points by era, with the start of each era set at the release date of the lead single and including non-album tracks.

Self-Titled: 5659 points
Fearless: 12247 points
Speak Now: 8404 points
Red: 4876 points
1989: 9779 points
Reputation: 1755 points
Lover: 898 points

So although she got more points as an artist during 1989, her typical 1989 song had two co-writers (Martin & Shellback) while the Fearless era was relatively evenly split between songs with one co-writer (usually Liz Rose) and no co-writers with only a few minor hits having more than one co-writers.

If you look at all the songs she has writing credits on, weighted by how big of a hit the songs were (ie their point total), she had an average of 0.86 co-writers per song.

[Kris]

Curious what Sam Hunt is at? I know he's written quite a few songs for other country artists as well as Montevallo.

[aznsinger]

Aug 21, 2019 10:20:17 GMT -5 nickd said:

Taylor Swift

Points: 43617





paulhaney
Taylor gang where you at born aznsinger insen_13 Taylor. gbaby Choco deepston justlurkingaround Snowbeast fearlessarrow austin kimberly 14887fan @mirza Joe1240 Janhova's Witness Mark Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ kcdawg13 Lumi Peterawr Janhova's Witness Glove Slap @ioshirai Mylo13 💜 tryexp @steveic 👑 Eloquent ™ @drakeisskinny Okay bornfearless2000 ampersand Ivy Leegue™ Hefty Hanna

I also broke down her points by era, with the start of each era set at the release date of the lead single and including non-album tracks.

Self-Titled: 5659 points
Fearless: 12247 points
Speak Now: 8404 points
Red: 4876 points
1989: 9779 points
Reputation: 1755 points
Lover: 898 points

So although she got more points as an artist during 1989, her typical 1989 song had two co-writers (Martin & Shellback) while the Fearless era was relatively evenly split between songs with one co-writer (usually Liz Rose) and no co-writers with only a few minor hits having more than one co-writers.

If you look at all the songs she has writing credits on, weighted by how big of a hit the songs were (ie their point total), she had an average of 0.86 co-writers per song.

Wait so she’s number 11???

[nickd]

Aug 21, 2019 13:25:10 GMT -5 aznsinger said:

Aug 21, 2019 10:20:17 GMT -5 nickd said:

[snip]

Wait so she’s number 11???

Yeah.

[nickd]

#10. William "Smokey" Robinson Jr.

Points: 44922







rockgolf paulhaney

[rockgolf]

I was looking for Mickey's Monkey in the list of Miracles hits for Smokey, but it turns out it was a Holland-Dozier-Holland track!

People forget (or more likely never knew) that the nickname "Smokey" was a joke. Usually, that was a nickname for the bass-voiced member of a vocal group, and Smokey's voice was light as a breeze.

[born]

I love this!

[nickd]

#9. Lionel Richie

Points: 47083




paulhaney

[nickd]

#8. Stevland Morris (Stevie Wonder)

Points: 49489





paulhaney rockgolf

[nickd]

Sam Hunt

Points: 3410



Kris

[nickd]

#6. Prince Nelson

Points: 59421





paulhaney rockgolf

[rockgolf]

Aug 21, 2019 17:35:16 GMT -5 nickd said:

#8. Stevland Morris (Stevie Wonder)

Points: 51856
paulhaney rockgolf

Stevie Wonder is an American treasure. In my opinion, the best songwriter,keyboardist, and producer in my lifetime.
Period.

[paulhaney]

So, my guesses seem to panning out pretty good so far.

Can't wait to see the rest!

[nickd]

#7. John Lennon

Points: 57601








paulhaney rockgolf

[rockgolf]

I put together a list of the top 150 Hot 100 hits performed, written or produced by The Beatles, solo or group, so there aren't a lot of surprises in the Lennon list, but It's For You by Springwell definitely qualifies.

The list, in quiz form is here, in case anyone want to try it out. The rankings may not match the ordered list from nickd , and it certainly hints at one of the songwriters still to come.

[nickd]

Aug 27, 2019 12:04:51 GMT -5 rockgolf said:

I put together a list of the top 150 Hot 100 hits performed, written or produced by The Beatles, solo or group, so there aren't a lot of surprises in the Lennon list, but It's For You by Springwell certain qualifies.

The list, in quiz form is here, in case anyone want to try it out. The rankings may not match the ordered list from nickd , and it certainly hints at one of the songwriters still to come.

Your link just leads to your post...

[nickd]

#5. Robert Kelly

Points: 61842

[rockgolf]

Aug 27, 2019 12:36:36 GMT -5 nickd said:

Your link just leads to your post...

thanks. Corrected in original post to www.sporcle.com/games/rockgolf/beatles-150

[rockgolf]

Aug 27, 2019 13:43:10 GMT -5 nickd said:

Robert Kelly

Points: 67142

All those royalties should be able to buy him lots of favors in prison for the next 40-60 years.

[nickd]

Aug 27, 2019 13:47:44 GMT -5 rockgolf said:

Aug 27, 2019 13:43:10 GMT -5 nickd said:

Robert Kelly

Points: 67142

All those royalties should be able to buy him lots of favors in prison for the next 40-60 years.

Looks like his recurrent streams aren't that great though aside from Ignition.

[nickd]

#4. Karl Sandberg (Max Martin)

Points: 71671








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