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Post by kalmanta on Jul 6, 2021 21:59:06 GMT -5
The next song, California, just got leaked. The whole album is gonna leak before release at this point, it’s really one of the messiest rollouts in a while.
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Post by Caviar on Jul 6, 2021 22:08:20 GMT -5
Waiting for “Stoned In A Nail Salon” to leak.
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Post by SHOOTER on Jul 7, 2021 3:04:00 GMT -5
California > SP
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Post by Troublemaker on Jul 11, 2021 9:34:05 GMT -5
Why is the promo for this album nonexistent at this point? I’ll never understand why labels wait to release albums especially when songs are not connecting.
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Post by kimberly on Jul 11, 2021 11:53:25 GMT -5
Why is the promo for this album nonexistent at this point? I’ll never understand why labels wait to release albums especially when songs are not connecting. she was on Colbert the other week and she's returning this week for a live performance. hopefully more tv promo in the US follows. would love a GMA Concert (they are still a thing, right?) when the album drops.
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Post by Choco on Jul 12, 2021 8:54:43 GMT -5
I've already made my peace with sub 50k opening week at this point. The long ass break meant they had to come out swinging with promo and rebuilding the public's interest.
I'm not sure if maybe they're having some sort of budgetary restrictions? Or she requested a lighter schedule.
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Post by circadian on Jul 16, 2021 4:43:34 GMT -5
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Post by ethanhunt on Jul 21, 2021 18:30:27 GMT -5
"Stoned at the Nail Salon" is one of the best songs she's ever done
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jul 21, 2021 18:47:05 GMT -5
It is absolutely not. But I'm glad somebody loves it!
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 21, 2021 19:46:22 GMT -5
I don’t think anything from the album will sound like a single from the sounds of what I’ve heard so far, but I also think it’ll be a fantastic end-of-summer album. I bet the songs will sound better within the album context so I’m not really worried. Lorde was paid dust with her last album, which didn’t have many single-worthy tracks either but the ones that were went nowhere so who needs em!
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Post by adamalterlago on Jul 21, 2021 19:49:55 GMT -5
Sorry - I’m gonna vent for a sec. This era is the whitest thing to come along since god knows when. From the guest vocalists - Clairo, Phoebe - to the VERY white music video, just not into this. Some people may come at me but it just feels a little tone def? I would love for her to work w someone like a Kamasi Washington or something? Dev Hynes? IDK - people talk s**t on Lana - and fairly so sometimes from her dumba** rants - but at least she works with diverse artists across the board. BTW, this song sounds like a B-side from Norman or Chemtrails. I’m bored.
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Post by itsaboutart on Jul 21, 2021 21:15:41 GMT -5
Sorry - I’m gonna vent for a sec. This era is the whitest thing to come along since god knows when. From the guest vocalists - Clairo, Phoebe - to the VERY white music video, just not into this. Some people may come at me but it just feels a little tone def? I would love for her to work w someone like a Kamasi Washington or something? Dev Hynes? IDK - people talk s**t on Lana - and fairly so sometimes from her dumba** rants - but at least she works with diverse artists across the board. BTW, this song sounds like a B-side from Norman or Chemtrails. I’m bored. I am a person of colour and I thought the comment about this being too white is truly absurd. And Lorde has worked with people of colour before - homemade dynamite was remixed with khalid and sza. Also the video for solar power has people of colour in it??? What makes it white then ? The song I agree is totally boring. This direction is totally boring. But boring isn’t white. Altho it can be lol
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 21, 2021 21:43:33 GMT -5
I don’t think anything from the album will sound like a single from the sounds of what I’ve heard so far, but I also think it’ll be a fantastic end-of-summer album. I bet the songs will sound better within the album context so I’m not really worried. Lorde was paid dust with her last album, which didn’t have many single-worthy tracks either but the ones that were went nowhere so who needs em! I wasn't as intensely enamored by Melodrama as some here, but I did think it was a strong album and while it worked best as a whole, I can't think of a single track from it that was as boring in isolation as the two from this album that I've heard.
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Post by violentdreams on Jul 21, 2021 21:56:06 GMT -5
Honest opinion, I think all of these songs have been duds (including California) and my expectations are much lower for this album. Production is insanely bland, too stripped back to be interesting, and lacking in diversity and her songwriting feels like it has taken a step back from Pure Heroine and Melodrama. I'm not the type of person who expects her to do one thing forever, nor do I think she should, but it feels like she's completely lost her ability to make compelling tunes. Solar Power, California, and this song all just kinda limp aimlessly and unsatisfyingly until they finally end instead of coming up with good hooks or building up to anything meaningful. It all feels extremely flat to me, even if her lyrics are a bit better this time around.
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Post by adamalterlago on Jul 21, 2021 22:53:34 GMT -5
Sorry - I’m gonna vent for a sec. This era is the whitest thing to come along since god knows when. From the guest vocalists - Clairo, Phoebe - to the VERY white music video, just not into this. Some people may come at me but it just feels a little tone def? I would love for her to work w someone like a Kamasi Washington or something? Dev Hynes? IDK - people talk s**t on Lana - and fairly so sometimes from her dumba** rants - but at least she works with diverse artists across the board. BTW, this song sounds like a B-side from Norman or Chemtrails. I’m bored. I am a person of colour and I thought the comment about this being too white is truly absurd. And Lorde has worked with people of colour before - homemade dynamite was remixed with khalid and sza. Also the video for solar power has people of colour in it??? What makes it white then ? The song I agree is totally boring. This direction is totally boring. But boring isn’t white. Altho it can be lol Where are the people of color in the video? The dude who is lifting her on a lounge carrying her across the beach? You can think it’s absurd all you want - Im also a person of color - and I stand by what I said. And a REMIX that no one heard from of a non-hit single (although good song) w the top black artists at that moment don’t make you not tone def. Just saying.
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Post by trustypepper on Jul 21, 2021 23:02:39 GMT -5
Sorry - I’m gonna vent for a sec. This era is the whitest thing to come along since god knows when. From the guest vocalists - Clairo, Phoebe - to the VERY white music video, just not into this. Some people may come at me but it just feels a little tone def? I would love for her to work w someone like a Kamasi Washington or something? Dev Hynes? IDK - people talk s**t on Lana - and fairly so sometimes from her dumba** rants - but at least she works with diverse artists across the board. BTW, this song sounds like a B-side from Norman or Chemtrails. I’m bored. Does race really have to be dragged into every topic anymore? How is this relevant to her and her music?
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Post by adamalterlago on Jul 21, 2021 23:46:41 GMT -5
Sorry - I’m gonna vent for a sec. This era is the whitest thing to come along since god knows when. From the guest vocalists - Clairo, Phoebe - to the VERY white music video, just not into this. Some people may come at me but it just feels a little tone def? I would love for her to work w someone like a Kamasi Washington or something? Dev Hynes? IDK - people talk s**t on Lana - and fairly so sometimes from her dumba** rants - but at least she works with diverse artists across the board. BTW, this song sounds like a B-side from Norman or Chemtrails. I’m bored. Does race really have to be dragged into every topic anymore? How is this relevant to her and her music? Uh, yeah it does. I’m not going to go into some essay on my issue here. I’m stating artists make a conscious decision to choose and agree who they work w. They are conscious of representation in their art and visuals. TBH, I have the most problem w the Solar Power music video. It’s just very white! It lacks cultural representation. The artists and visuals she has chosen to put out lack diversity. You can fight me on it - not trying to start one - Im just stating the obvious which I’ve noticed and my friends of color have noticed as well. You can try to discredit that. Im not coming for Lorde. Im just calling things out as I see them.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 22, 2021 0:59:12 GMT -5
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 22, 2021 1:48:54 GMT -5
I didn't know anyone had to work with people of color like it's some kind of requirement to release music. 🙄 Are we going to claim Lorde is racist now?
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Post by violentdreams on Jul 22, 2021 5:43:48 GMT -5
Does race really have to be dragged into every topic anymore? How is this relevant to her and her music? Uh, yeah it does. I’m not going to go into some essay on my issue here. I’m stating artists make a conscious decision to choose and agree who they work w. They are conscious of representation in their art and visuals. TBH, I have the most problem w the Solar Power music video. It’s just very white! It lacks cultural representation. The artists and visuals she has chosen to put out lack diversity. You can fight me on it - not trying to start one - Im just stating the obvious which I’ve noticed and my friends of color have noticed as well. You can try to discredit that. Im not coming for Lorde. Im just calling things out as I see them. Should musicians be under some sort of affirmative action clause to cover the entire gambit of the racial experience with their music? Seems like a really reductive way to look at art. People do this with Hollywood movies all the time and I also don't really get it there, it's just a super cheap and useless thing to waste your time caring about. It's basically openly weeping because you're not being pandered to efficiently. I prefer authenticity, Lorde doesn't need to go out of her way to check off a bunch of racial demographics boxes unless she wants to.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 22, 2021 8:03:24 GMT -5
I didn't know anyone had to work with people of color like it's some kind of requirement to release music. 🙄 Are we going to claim Lorde is racist now? I would think Lorde forcing a POC in her video would be tokenism, wouldn’t it? I understand the criticism but I also wonder whether she’s being judged by American standards and expectations.
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Post by spiritboy on Jul 22, 2021 8:11:22 GMT -5
Nobody HAS to work with people because of their skin color. Lorde probably had a conceptand vision in her head and the musicians she worked with reflected it best. Simple as that.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jul 22, 2021 8:11:32 GMT -5
I don't think there is a diversity quotient that people have to meet or anything. However, as someone who creates myself, I can't imagine saying, hey, I need to "cast" 50 people for this scene. They will all be white! Like, I guess it just comes naturally to me or seems more accurate to want to have the diversity of the world in a big "cast" rather than just 50 white people. I read books sometimes that are set in like...New York City or some other major city and every single character (even when there are 50-100+) are white and its like...ok. You don't have to include non-white people, but I'm allowed to think that's a strange choice and one that is completely inaccurate to actually being in New York City or Atlanta. I am assuming Lorde is in a way less diverse place though and is probably only around white people though day to day? Like, I get that not every place is as diverse as many places in the US.
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Post by adamalterlago on Jul 22, 2021 9:02:47 GMT -5
Uh, yeah it does. I’m not going to go into some essay on my issue here. I’m stating artists make a conscious decision to choose and agree who they work w. They are conscious of representation in their art and visuals. TBH, I have the most problem w the Solar Power music video. It’s just very white! It lacks cultural representation. The artists and visuals she has chosen to put out lack diversity. You can fight me on it - not trying to start one - Im just stating the obvious which I’ve noticed and my friends of color have noticed as well. You can try to discredit that. Im not coming for Lorde. Im just calling things out as I see them. Should musicians be under some sort of affirmative action clause to cover the entire gambit of the racial experience with their music? Seems like a really reductive way to look at art. People do this with Hollywood movies all the time and I also don't really get it there, it's just a super cheap and useless thing to waste your time caring about. It's basically openly weeping because you're not being pandered to efficiently. I prefer authenticity, Lorde doesn't need to go out of her way to check off a bunch of racial demographics boxes unless she wants to. Im guessing you’re white.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 22, 2021 9:17:52 GMT -5
I don't think there is a diversity quotient that people have to meet or anything. However, as someone who creates myself, I can't imagine saying, hey, I need to "cast" 50 people for this scene. They will all be white! Like, I guess it just comes naturally to me or seems more accurate to want to have the diversity of the world in a big "cast" rather than just 50 white people. I read books sometimes that are set in like...New York City or some other major city and every single character (even when there are 50-100+) are white and its like...ok. You don't have to include non-white people, but I'm allowed to think that's a strange choice and one that is completely inaccurate to actually being in New York City or Atlanta. I am assuming Lorde is in a way less diverse place though and is probably only around white people though day to day? Like, I get that not every place is as diverse as many places in the US. This is a good point too. I’ve worked in arts organizations that have tried to include POC as part of a cast (theatre) or in art shows and they just weren’t there, so if a role required someone, they would have to come from somewhere else. Part of that might be because there wasn’t any interest, no one was qualified, or possibly not enough outreach was done. I know since, more effort has been put in to establish training and lessons and such within the local Black communities so when the opportunity comes again (essentially once the theatre reopens), they’ll be able to cast local POC actors rather than having to look elsewhere. I’m not sure what the situation was for Lorde’s video, or other situations for that matter. I’m of the opinion that if someone wants to have a diverse cast, they’ll make it happen. But sometimes efforts are made and it doesn’t always work out and sometimes geographical location is one of those reasons - particularly in a pandemic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 9:59:37 GMT -5
I personally think Stoned at the Nail Salon is a beautiful piece of introspective songwriting, not unlike Liability, which was also released to a rather lukewarm reception right after the lead single during the Melodrama rollout. Having a bit of a deja-vu actually.
Lorde going from trendsetting, which I would definitely describe at the very least Pure Heroine as, to releasing a stripped down ballad in the already played-out folk aesthetic dominating the pop sphere lately is a discussion for another day, but for now I'm pretty happy with this era. I haven't heard the California leak, but knowing Lorde, I wouldn't doubt all songs sounding even better within the context of the album and I'm excited to see what else she has in store.
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Post by trustypepper on Jul 22, 2021 10:12:51 GMT -5
Should musicians be under some sort of affirmative action clause to cover the entire gambit of the racial experience with their music? Seems like a really reductive way to look at art. People do this with Hollywood movies all the time and I also don't really get it there, it's just a super cheap and useless thing to waste your time caring about. It's basically openly weeping because you're not being pandered to efficiently. I prefer authenticity, Lorde doesn't need to go out of her way to check off a bunch of racial demographics boxes unless she wants to. Im guessing you’re white. I don’t see how this is different than the visuals of some black music artists which you could argue often include little to no diversity. Isn’t it a two way street?
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Post by adamalterlago on Jul 22, 2021 11:18:49 GMT -5
Im guessing you’re white. I don’t see how this is different than the visuals of some black music artists which you could argue often include little to no diversity. Isn’t it a two way street? No.
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Post by trustypepper on Jul 22, 2021 11:33:14 GMT -5
I don’t see how this is different than the visuals of some black music artists which you could argue often include little to no diversity. Isn’t it a two way street? No. Good to know. Have a nice day.
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Post by violentdreams on Jul 22, 2021 12:12:56 GMT -5
Should musicians be under some sort of affirmative action clause to cover the entire gambit of the racial experience with their music? Seems like a really reductive way to look at art. People do this with Hollywood movies all the time and I also don't really get it there, it's just a super cheap and useless thing to waste your time caring about. It's basically openly weeping because you're not being pandered to efficiently. I prefer authenticity, Lorde doesn't need to go out of her way to check off a bunch of racial demographics boxes unless she wants to. Im guessing you’re white. I'm Hispanic, but that's irrelevant to my point. Now that you have nothing to deflect to, you have to argue why white artists should be obligated to emphasize on the race of the people they collaborate with.
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