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Post by Gary on Jul 25, 2019 14:14:35 GMT -5
So It's Come To This: BTS Rapper RM Leads Lil Nas X Down 'Seoul Town Road'
July 25, 201910:02 AM ET
Lil Nas X's inescapable, genre-obliterating pop/hip-hop/country smash "Old Town Road" has been No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 for a record-tying 16 weeks, a run enabled by a hugely successful remix incorporating Billy Ray Cyrus (and, later, Young Thug and Mason Ramsey). Thursday morning, in a likely bid to lock down that record-setting 17th week at No. 1, Lil Nas X went for the kill, releasing another remix — this time with rapper RM of the K-pop juggernaut BTS.
There's not that much to differentiate the new remix from its peers: RM gamely takes a verse, showing off a nice country drawl, and the instrumentation picks up on the cross-continental cross-pollination. But it does feel like a tipping point, as "Old Town Road" shifts from novelty to phenomenon to immovable object to fundamental element, joining air, fire, earth and water.
Given that the "Old Town Road" remixes don't count as separate songs in Billboard's eyes, the feeling around the song seems to be shifting from "Will it reach 17 weeks?" to "Will another song top the charts between now and when all life on our planet is extinguished and the ground on which we once stood has been reduced to a charred cinder?"
Billie Eilish's "Bad Guy" hasn't done it, even with the aid of her own remix ringer, nor have two new singles from otherwise-reliable chart-topper Taylor Swift. Now that another worldwide phenomenon's name is attached to an incarnation of the song, we're better off adjusting to the reality that "Old Town Road" has joined the sunrise, the tides and the inevitability of death among the ranks of our permanent realities. If Eilish wants that No. 1 spot, she'd better get cracking on "Eil Town Ro —" oh, no. That's actually going to happen, isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 14:16:02 GMT -5
On another note, how many more weeks will bad guy stay at #2? I would like it to break the record for longest stay at that position without going #1.
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Post by Gary on Jul 25, 2019 14:17:43 GMT -5
here is a thought The longest running #2 AND most songs stalled at #2 under the same #1 song It could happen  |
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 25, 2019 14:48:07 GMT -5
Ok, by doing all this every week for OTR Nas X basically sabotages his own career more and more. No one takes him seriously soon, but he's a troll deep down inside so he must be enjoying this!
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Post by Gary on Jul 25, 2019 14:53:36 GMT -5
To soon to tell on that. Until there is failed promotion of single #2 or a new album that comes out and bombs, you never know.
He could be the next Los Del Rio or Gotye or he could be the next major star, you never know
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 15:03:16 GMT -5
I think he is doing fantastic. He got BTS to collaborate with him and also has a different song - Panini - being streamed quite well for over a month already.
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 25, 2019 15:04:55 GMT -5
Well he *should* be able to score another top ten hit, Fetty Wap got three and where is he now?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 15:12:07 GMT -5
Fetty Wap has upcoming performances in the US and Europe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 15:13:26 GMT -5
here is a thought The longest running #2 AND most songs stalled at #2 under the same #1 song It could happen No way is that happening truth hurts is gaining to much, Whitney other record is safe for now |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 25, 2019 15:31:39 GMT -5
^"Exhale (Shoop Shoop)" was a No. 1 hit, though, that spent all that time at No. 2. Ten weeks is the longest time in the runner-up position for a single that peaked there.
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Post by cassiuscasanova on Jul 25, 2019 15:42:18 GMT -5
As a person, I like him. Just saw a video with him being interviewed by a group of kids. He’s very likable and his trolling on twitter gives him personality, which many of today’s stars seriously lack
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Post by Gary on Jul 25, 2019 15:49:02 GMT -5
^"Exhale (Shoop Shoop)" was a No. 1 hit, though, that spent all that time at No. 2. Ten weeks is the longest time in the runner-up position for a single that peaked there. Not sure but he may have been posting about the 2-1 points record Although yeah - Whitney did spend 11 weeks at #2 |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 25, 2019 15:53:02 GMT -5
^Or how many tracks were kept from the top spot and peaked at 2? Too many records to keep track of anymore. :)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 16:02:20 GMT -5
^"Exhale (Shoop Shoop)" was a No. 1 hit, though, that spent all that time at No. 2. Ten weeks is the longest time in the runner-up position for a single that peaked there. Gray said most weeks at 2 stuck behind the same song, nothing about peak |
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 25, 2019 16:36:31 GMT -5
solid 40 million listeners a month though 🤷🏾♂️ Probably listening to their older stuff from 2016-2017. Call You Mine and Who Do You Love are their #1 and #3 songs on Spotify respectively. They are #38 and #183 on US Spotify. They are #37 and #157 worldwide respectively. |
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Post by Gary on Jul 25, 2019 16:45:34 GMT -5
Just for fun
Most weeks at #2 - without regard peak
Row Labels Count of This Week
Exhale (Shoop Shoop) (From "Waiting To Exhale"), Whitney Houston 11
That's What I Like, Bruno Mars 10
Work It, Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott 10
Waiting For A Girl Like You, Foreigner 10
Freak Me, Silk 10
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Post by David on Jul 25, 2019 17:22:22 GMT -5
Lil Nas X breaks a record and gets a $25M lawsuit all in the same week... Oops!
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 25, 2019 17:33:21 GMT -5
For the people telling the people who have issues with Lil Nas X releasing so many remixes to extend his stay at #1, how would you feel if the next 5 artists who hit #1 released countless remixes/videos to each extend their stay at the position? You'd love that, right? People's complaints are also about the precedent Lil Nas X's actions set. The music industry is very monkey see, monkey do. Tons of labels are taking notes on what Lil Nas X is doing right now and will try to emulate it once they can get their artist(s) to reach #1. Just look at how many "dance challenges" we've gotten since the In My Feelings dance challenge took off last year? None of them have had close to the same impact/success as the In My Feelings dance challenge, but still, tons of artists have taken their shot at it. Billboard needs to take a step back and make a lot of changes to what artists can and can't do to manipulate their charts. They can always arrive at solutions that are fair to everyone. Ok, but how are these unfair? If an artist tries something that makes a song more popular, how is that billboard’s fault? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 17:41:33 GMT -5
17 weeks in, and OTR is still over 500? Yikes, I'd hate to see how long OTR would be #1 if it was up against something like Girls Like You. 25 weeks? 30? Seems possible. Part of me wants to knock the song for all the remixes, but at the same time, other songs have been #1 while being much weaker in points, so I'll let it slide. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 18:00:35 GMT -5
Just for fun Most weeks at #2 - without regard peak Row Labels Count of This Week Exhale (Shoop Shoop) (From "Waiting To Exhale"), Whitney Houston 11 That's What I Like, Bruno Mars 10 Work It, Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott 10 Waiting For A Girl Like You, Foreigner 10 Freak Me, Silk 10 That what I like was so close to the record :( |
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Post by narp on Jul 25, 2019 18:07:20 GMT -5
I’m gonna listen to all the remixes when the song starts dropping. OTR grew a bit on me.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 25, 2019 18:19:10 GMT -5
For the people telling the people who have issues with Lil Nas X releasing so many remixes to extend his stay at #1, how would you feel if the next 5 artists who hit #1 released countless remixes/videos to each extend their stay at the position? You'd love that, right? People's complaints are also about the precedent Lil Nas X's actions set. The music industry is very monkey see, monkey do. Tons of labels are taking notes on what Lil Nas X is doing right now and will try to emulate it once they can get their artist(s) to reach #1. Just look at how many "dance challenges" we've gotten since the In My Feelings dance challenge took off last year? None of them have had close to the same impact/success as the In My Feelings dance challenge, but still, tons of artists have taken their shot at it. Billboard needs to take a step back and make a lot of changes to what artists can and can't do to manipulate their charts. They can always arrive at solutions that are fair to everyone. Ok, but how are these unfair? If an artist tries something that makes a song more popular, how is that billboard’s fault? I wasn't referring particularly to remixes in that part of my post. There are a lot of flaws in Billboard's methodology currently. I was referencing that FROM what I had to say about Lil Nas X and his legion of remixes. I've never been against him doing all he can to break the record. I've said in previous weeks that I would love it if he did. We'll more than likely be over this kid by the end of the year and he'll never have a hit this big. My issues is in this particular practice becoming a thing. Merch/tour ticket bundles stared with one artist, now it's something damn near everyone does. The same thing will more than likely happen with this remix thing and THEN it'll be a problem. |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 25, 2019 18:20:34 GMT -5
Ok, but how are these unfair? If an artist tries something that makes a song more popular, how is that billboard’s fault? I wasn't referring particularly to remixes in that part of my post. There are a lot of flaws in Billboard's methodology currently. I was referencing that FROM what I had to say about Lil Nas X and his legion of remixes. I've never been against him doing all he can to break the record. I've said in previous weeks that I would love it if he did. We'll more than likely be over this kid by the end of the year and he'll never have a hit this big. My issues is in this particular practice becoming a thing. Merch/tour ticket bundles stared with one artist, now it's something damn near everyone does. The same thing will more than likely happen with this remix thing and THEN it'll be a problem. Which artist started march/tour bundles? |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 25, 2019 18:53:39 GMT -5
Mayman I'm not particularly sure, but someone, in this streaming era, kicked it off (even though it's been done in the past), others saw it and now everyone includes merch/tour bundles when they drop an album.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 25, 2019 18:56:50 GMT -5
@benson not everyone will need to do it to break a record. Say I'm Lizzo. I just scored my first top 10 and that same record happens to eventually go top 5, top 3 and then hit #1 and stays there for 3 straight weeks. It's not hard for artists to peep pages that post predictions for the Hot 100 chart. If I peep that my song is declining, I start putting out remixes upon remixes to extend my stay there. The Weeknd already did something similar, but he only put out two remixes (in the same day). Still, it worked out for him because he got to spend extra time at #1 as a result. The only thing is that Old Town Road is by far the most blatant example of an artist using remixes to boost a song. The reason it's dominated so much is BECAUSE of the original remix with Billy Ray Cyrus.
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Post by garrettlen on Jul 25, 2019 18:57:38 GMT -5
^"Exhale (Shoop Shoop)" was a No. 1 hit, though, that spent all that time at No. 2. Ten weeks is the longest time in the runner-up position for a single that peaked there. Yes, and two songs are tied with that record: 1) "Waiting for a Girl Like You" - Foreigner - 10 wks at #2 - 1981 2) "Work It" - Missy Elliot - 10 wks at #2 - 2002 |
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Post by fhas on Jul 25, 2019 19:50:10 GMT -5
Do you think those who are all up in arms about OTR breaking the record would have an issue with (insert artist) releasing remixes of their hit song in week 3 to try and stay on top agains the incoming competition? I just don't think that's the case. If it hadn't gotten near the all-time record, this wouldn't be nearly the conversation piece it has been. It's quite normal, even. 7 rings' remix was released exactly in its third week at #1 (1.1-to-1 points lead over Happier) and people don't even remember that. |
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Post by chartfreak on Jul 25, 2019 19:50:33 GMT -5
Well considering we already know he will break thr record on Monday, I'm looking forward to streaming Bad Guy next. With the record broken, would like a new #1 sooner than later.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 25, 2019 19:55:10 GMT -5
Yes, the Prince thing caused Billboard to change the rule that consumers had to taker action to redeem a copy of the album. Still can't believe that the album was literally handed to concert goers when they entered the venue.
I don't see much of an issue what what Lil Nas X is doing. The Billy Ray Cyrus version clearly remains the most popular anyhow. As has been discussed, marketing strategies have been going on for years and decades, whether the acts themselves or record labels.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jul 25, 2019 22:24:59 GMT -5
Say there's a big, competitive, annual bake sale on a road in some old town. New-to-town Mary brings several dozen pans of her lame ass Rice Krispie treats. They sell out immediately. So, within the bake sale rules, she decides to hire people to stand there and/or help while she makes more in the background, maybe even adding random candy to them to have a variety. She ends up making the most profit for anyone EVER in the history of the 70 year old annual bake sale, and her fancy gourmet dessert competition are all like WTF. Some are so envious that they start drama saying Rice Krispie treats aren't even technically baked goods, so "it's not fair!" and "it's all kids buying entire pans of treats over and over again!" and "grrr!" and "the rules need to be changed or stricter!." So, I ask you, who's really clowning in this situation? Mary's was just as surprised as the rest of them, and hustled to make things happen for herself, while pleasing the people who surprisingly wanted her lame treats. People had to prefer them to begin with, and kept buying them, right? So it's not just Mary the hustler at play here, right? Does anyone seriously have a problem with Mary? Some may want to poke holes in my corny analogy, and that's fine, go nuts, but the point of it stands, haha. Speaking of baked goods... That's a really good analogy |
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