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Post by mamasaid on Nov 17, 2019 16:17:05 GMT -5
Brad seemed to be managing just fine while not in attendance! So over Garth...never was much of a fan anyway. Trisha needs a new stylist, the past two times I've seen her the clothes just aren't working. And she should have been onstage with the other wonderful women of country. Carrie's opening monologue dress (orange/fringe) was too short...and this is coming from someone who wore the original micromini back in the day...and the short skirts with the overlay was overdone...frankly, I think her legs aren't her best feature. It wouldn't have crushed me had she won EOTY, she's worked very hard all year...and been very successful...My vote would have gone to Eric Church...I saw his show, went just over 3 hours with just a short break. He's a totally stripped down performer with a very forthright, open manner...
Those bored unfamiliar faces in the audience are the dreaded "suits". A stunning variety of industry executives who continue to not have a clue. Get some women in the executive offices and watch the tides turn.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 17, 2019 18:25:47 GMT -5
Actually, I do have proof. From the limited amount of females who have been nominated (and won) EOTY, to the very well-documented sexism in the country industry (particularly at radio but elsewhere too), to how so many people thought it was Carrie’s year to win, at a minimum there is at a lot of evidence that Carrie being a woman played a factor in the loss. His original post was in response to carrieidol1 saying that the amount of male faces in the audience who looked un-amused was the reason Carrie Underwood lost her award, "plain and simple." The country industry is pretty sexist, but I see nothing incorrect about what countryisking said here: I don’t think so. There were numerous males enjoying that performance. There were also numerous people who looked unamused during other performances throughout the night. Carrie lost because the CMA loves Garth and he campaigned hard. I think everybody agrees he should NOT have won but he also won over 3 other more deserving males. The gender bias plays no part in him winning or not. Plus, Maren and Jenee won in their categories. The problem with EOTY is that they voted Garth, not that they didn’t vote Carrie. To me, Eric Church had just as deserving a year as Carrie and it’s equally frustrating he lost too. Now considering the show last night honored women so well, it would have been great to see Carrie win it of course. At the end of the day, we all agree CMA blew it big time. But random dudes in the audience have nothing to do with why. I think voting politics and Garth's icon status with the industry have more to do with him winning this than him being a male. Nobody would be saying anything about an anti-woman bias in this thread right now if it were Eric Church's name that was called instead. Most seem to agree that him + Carrie were on comparable footing as the two front-runners for the award, so Garth winning doesn't strike me as being a sexist move. Obviously women should be nominated and win more awards like EOTY, but the awards shows typically out-pace other aspects of the industry that hold women back (radio barely plays Kacey Musgraves i.e. but she has a pretty full trophy cabinet at home thanks to the industry ignoring her lack of airplay). Radio needs to play more women so they can be more successful and contend for EOTY. The irony being Carrie currently gets better airplay than Garth... Anyway, my point was again that there is evidence the loss was in part due to sexism. That doesn't mean it is the reason, and you can disagree it's the reason, but that doesn't change my point; there is evidence. There can be evidence of other reasons, too.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 17, 2019 18:35:28 GMT -5
And yet the EOTY history...
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 17, 2019 18:37:13 GMT -5
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 17, 2019 18:51:24 GMT -5
His original post was in response to carrieidol1 saying that the amount of male faces in the audience who looked un-amused was the reason Carrie Underwood lost her award, "plain and simple." The country industry is pretty sexist, but I see nothing incorrect about what countryisking said here: I think voting politics and Garth's icon status with the industry have more to do with him winning this than him being a male. Nobody would be saying anything about an anti-woman bias in this thread right now if it were Eric Church's name that was called instead. Most seem to agree that him + Carrie were on comparable footing as the two front-runners for the award, so Garth winning doesn't strike me as being a sexist move. Obviously women should be nominated and win more awards like EOTY, but the awards shows typically out-pace other aspects of the industry that hold women back (radio barely plays Kacey Musgraves i.e. but she has a pretty full trophy cabinet at home thanks to the industry ignoring her lack of airplay). Radio needs to play more women so they can be more successful and contend for EOTY. The irony being Carrie currently gets better airplay than Garth... Anyway, my point was again that there is evidence the loss was in part due to sexism. That doesn't mean it is the reason, and you can disagree it's the reason, but that doesn't change my point; there is evidence. There can be evidence of other reasons, too. And she gets better airplay than Kacey Musgraves who beat her out for Female Vocalist, proving (again) that radio recognition =/= awards recognition. Obviously it's known that the country industry employs sexism and that's not debatable, but nobody would really have that leg to stand on if she'd lost to Eric Church here. People are only saying this because she lost to Garth Brooks who won based on him aggressively campaigning for the award purely bolstered by his legacy status than actual credentials during the eligibility period. She was beat out by a mediocre male artist past his prime, but if she'd lost to an equally-deserving male currently in his prime then it would be a different story. Plus, the brunt of sexism lies more outside of the awards circuit imo because other than Kacey Musgraves and Miranda Lambert, there were no other women who were even viable candidates for EOTY to be in the running alongside Carrie. I feel Kacey could've been nominated because of her global reach, especially in spite of consistent airplay, but it's not really surprising she didn't make it in.
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Nov 17, 2019 18:53:30 GMT -5
And this is why i love him! I wonder if Eric would have mentioned Carrie if he had won, and I feel like he would've. If he had won, regardless of the female empowerment evident throughout the show, the pain of Carrie's loss would've been tolerable and almost non-existent because Eric and Carrie were equally deserving in my opinion.
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Post by seak05 on Nov 17, 2019 19:18:54 GMT -5
I wanted Carrie to win, Eric would have been deserving, but Eric's need to put others down isn't my favorite quality of his. All of these artists are wildly successful, it's just an award. But when you start putting other artists on blast, you give your fans license to go after them. Trisha is getting crap on twitter over Garth winning. Just do you.
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Post by stanches2318 on Nov 17, 2019 19:39:09 GMT -5
I’m surprised the topic is still open. And we are still debating the Entertainer of the year. Even though the Entertainer of Country Music won the category. 🤔🤔
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Post by tim on Nov 17, 2019 20:49:17 GMT -5
Classic. And I noticed this at the CMA's but when did Eric turn into this salt and pepper hunk?!? He's looking very fine!
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Nov 17, 2019 20:57:48 GMT -5
Classic. And I noticed this at the CMA's but when did Eric turn into this salt and pepper hunk?!? He's looking very fine! I was thinking the same! He had me feeling some type of way Wednesday night
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Post by tim on Nov 17, 2019 21:01:42 GMT -5
Classic. And I noticed this at the CMA's but when did Eric turn into this salt and pepper hunk?!? He's looking very fine! I was thinking the same! He had me feeling some type of way Wednesday night And as for Garth he can probably start advertising for Just For Men now
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Post by mamasaid on Nov 18, 2019 23:42:43 GMT -5
Classic. And I noticed this at the CMA's but when did Eric turn into this salt and pepper hunk?!? He's looking very fine! Why yes, yes he does....
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 19, 2019 15:54:56 GMT -5
If I were still writing my column, I would lead off with the chart topping success of Luke Combs' Even Though I'm Leaving. Then I would write about this year's C.M.A. Award winners on this week's chart. Here is what that would look like:
2. C.M.A. CHART: This year's winners on this week's chart:
1. Even Though I'm Leaving-Luke Combs-Male Vocalist and Song of the Year 2. One Man Band-Old Dominion-Vocal Group of the Year 12. 10,000 Hours-Dan + Shay and Justin Bieber-Vocal Duo for Dan + Shay 17. Dive Bar-Garth Brooks and Blake Shelton-Entertainer for Brooks and Single for Shelton 20. Hell Right-Blake Shelton and Trace Adkins-Single for Shelton 22. The Bones-Maren Morris-Album of the Year 45. Drinking Alone-Carrie Underwood-C.M.A. Hostess 60. One Night Standards-Ashley McBryde-New Artist of the Year
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Post by country11 on Nov 20, 2019 10:54:19 GMT -5
The genre will evolve and change by taking what is country and making slight alterations to it. It will not evolve by taking what is not country at all and just calling it country. What one person considers not-country, another person might. This is the *key* problem with country traditionalists: there is only one right answer. It’s maddening that, in an age where there are so many coexisting forms of each genre, it’s the country traditionalists that continue to piss on everything that doesn’t line up with what *they* believe to be right. Maybe, just maybe...there’s no right or wrong way of making country music anymore? As long as it maintains some elements of what the genre is typified by, who cares how else it’s produced? If you don’t like it, fine. But don’t delegitimize something just because it doesn’t match your own, single-lens view of what something should (or shouldn’t) be. "Old Town Road" has no elements of country whatsoever in it. Neither do other "modern country" songs such as "Body like a backroad" or "10000 hours". The problem now is everyone thinks country can be anything and it's not. Country should be country, not pop or rap. Songs that were big in the 2000's ("Amarillo sky", "The Truth", "Johnny and June") were still country. Even Taylor Swift's pre-Red stuff that has pop elements in it was more country than it was pop. Now everything is pop before it is country and it shouldn't be that way. If you enjoy it then fine, but it shouldn't dominate country like it does. Like rsandcsm1 posted, it does the genre no good to take whatever and just call it country.
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Post by stanches2318 on Nov 20, 2019 11:17:51 GMT -5
What one person considers not-country, another person might. This is the *key* problem with country traditionalists: there is only one right answer. It’s maddening that, in an age where there are so many coexisting forms of each genre, it’s the country traditionalists that continue to piss on everything that doesn’t line up with what *they* believe to be right. Maybe, just maybe...there’s no right or wrong way of making country music anymore? As long as it maintains some elements of what the genre is typified by, who cares how else it’s produced? If you don’t like it, fine. But don’t delegitimize something just because it doesn’t match your own, single-lens view of what something should (or shouldn’t) be. "Old Town Road" has no elements of country whatsoever in it. Neither do other "modern country" songs such as "Body like a backroad" or "10000 hours". The problem now is everyone thinks country can be anything and it's not. Country should be country, not pop or rap. Songs that were big in the 2000's ("Amarillo sky", "The Truth", "Johnny and June") were still country. Even Taylor Swift's pre-Red stuff that has pop elements in it was more country than it was pop. Now everything is pop before it is country and it shouldn't be that way. If you enjoy it then fine, but it shouldn't dominate country like it does. Like rsandcsm1 posted, it does the genre no good to take whatever and just call it country. Let's think about it this way. If you take the Entertainer of the year Nominees and catergorize them by there type of country they are you would get this: Carrie Underwood- Pop Country Chris Stapleton- Outlaw Country Eric Church- Rock Country Garth Brooks- Country Keith Urban- Pop Country So if we are going by "Country Music" the Entertainer of the year winner was right. plus out of all the nominees in each category, what percentage of the nominees were "Country". I say about 20% of the nominees are actually country. so I guess you cant go by that. Right?
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Post by Troublemaker on Nov 20, 2019 11:55:52 GMT -5
"Old Town Road" has no elements of country whatsoever in it. Neither do other "modern country" songs such as "Body like a backroad" or "10000 hours". The problem now is everyone thinks country can be anything and it's not. Country should be country, not pop or rap. Songs that were big in the 2000's ("Amarillo sky", "The Truth", "Johnny and June") were still country. Even Taylor Swift's pre-Red stuff that has pop elements in it was more country than it was pop. Now everything is pop before it is country and it shouldn't be that way. If you enjoy it then fine, but it shouldn't dominate country like it does. Like rsandcsm1 posted, it does the genre no good to take whatever and just call it country. Let's think about it this way. If you take the Entertainer of the year Nominees and catergorize them by there type of country they are you would get this: Carrie Underwood- Pop Country Chris Stapleton- Outlaw Country Eric Church- Rock Country Garth Brooks- CountryKeith Urban- Pop Country So if we are going by "Country Music" the Entertainer of the year winner was right. plus out of all the nominees in each category, what percentage of the nominees were "Country". I say about 20% of the nominees are actually country. so I guess you cant go by that. Right?
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 20, 2019 12:52:30 GMT -5
What one person considers not-country, another person might. This is the *key* problem with country traditionalists: there is only one right answer. It’s maddening that, in an age where there are so many coexisting forms of each genre, it’s the country traditionalists that continue to piss on everything that doesn’t line up with what *they* believe to be right. Maybe, just maybe...there’s no right or wrong way of making country music anymore? As long as it maintains some elements of what the genre is typified by, who cares how else it’s produced? If you don’t like it, fine. But don’t delegitimize something just because it doesn’t match your own, single-lens view of what something should (or shouldn’t) be. "Old Town Road" has no elements of country whatsoever in it. Neither do other "modern country" songs such as "Body like a backroad" or "10000 hours". The problem now is everyone thinks country can be anything and it's not. Country should be country, not pop or rap. Songs that were big in the 2000's ("Amarillo sky", "The Truth", "Johnny and June") were still country. Even Taylor Swift's pre-Red stuff that has pop elements in it was more country than it was pop. Now everything is pop before it is country and it shouldn't be that way. If you enjoy it then fine, but it shouldn't dominate country like it does. Like rsandcsm1 posted, it does the genre no good to take whatever and just call it country. Welcome to the 2010s, where genre-blending is all the rage. Country isn’t immune to it; if only it’s purist fans could accept that. Fans attempting to restrict artists to a single genre is unhealthy and unfair.
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Post by stanches2318 on Nov 20, 2019 13:10:17 GMT -5
"Old Town Road" has no elements of country whatsoever in it. Neither do other "modern country" songs such as "Body like a backroad" or "10000 hours". The problem now is everyone thinks country can be anything and it's not. Country should be country, not pop or rap. Songs that were big in the 2000's ("Amarillo sky", "The Truth", "Johnny and June") were still country. Even Taylor Swift's pre-Red stuff that has pop elements in it was more country than it was pop. Now everything is pop before it is country and it shouldn't be that way. If you enjoy it then fine, but it shouldn't dominate country like it does. Like rsandcsm1 posted, it does the genre no good to take whatever and just call it country. Welcome to the 2010s, where genre-blending is all the rage. Country isn’t immune to it; if only it’s purist fans could accept that. Fans attempting to restrict artists to a single genre is unhealthy and unfair. Spot on. You are 💯 correct. That way point. But you said it much better than I did.
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 20, 2019 20:54:17 GMT -5
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 21, 2019 21:18:59 GMT -5
"Old Town Road" has no elements of country whatsoever in it. Neither do other "modern country" songs such as "Body like a backroad" or "10000 hours". The problem now is everyone thinks country can be anything and it's not. Country should be country, not pop or rap. Songs that were big in the 2000's ("Amarillo sky", "The Truth", "Johnny and June") were still country. Even Taylor Swift's pre-Red stuff that has pop elements in it was more country than it was pop. Now everything is pop before it is country and it shouldn't be that way. If you enjoy it then fine, but it shouldn't dominate country like it does. Like rsandcsm1 posted, it does the genre no good to take whatever and just call it country. Let's think about it this way. If you take the Entertainer of the year Nominees and catergorize them by there type of country they are you would get this: Carrie Underwood- Pop Country Chris Stapleton- Outlaw Country Eric Church- Rock Country Garth Brooks- Country Keith Urban- Pop Country So if we are going by "Country Music" the Entertainer of the year winner was right. plus out of all the nominees in each category, what percentage of the nominees were "Country". I say about 20% of the nominees are actually country. so I guess you cant go by that. Right? Artists like Garth Brooks and Shania Twain got plenty of flack for being too "pop" for country in their heyday in the same way that artists like Sam Hunt, Thomas Rhett, Taylor Swift, etc. are currently (or were in recent history). It's revisionist history to act like Garth is a traditionalist. He's no George Strait or Loretta Lynn.
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