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Post by StillTheSame on Nov 14, 2019 11:34:42 GMT -5
A few comments:
I didn't have much faith in the voters to give EOTY to Carrie, but I'm still ticked off.
Brad was missed, but Carrie, Reba & Dolly were great.
The opening performance was awesome, & I'm so glad that Loretta was able to make it.
Was surprised that "Girl" didn't win Single or Song.
Loved the "Girl Crush" collaboration. Wish that LBT could've gotten a chance to perform their new song, though.
And if anyone cares, Jennifer Nettles went all the way off on country radio for their sexism with her red carpet outfit. Have a feeling some here might be interested.
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Post by austin on Nov 14, 2019 11:43:14 GMT -5
I love the Cry Pretty album and while I totally think she deserved it, I am not stunned considering she has never won it from the CMA and her singles this era so far are very low impact, but I totally thought it was going to Eric. I think any of us here, fan of his or not, would have been fine with Church winning as he too is overdue for this award and tours his ass off with the longest set in the genre.
Garth winning is absolutely a devastating result for a has-been who as mentioned before lip synced at this same awards show and hasn't had a big impact singles-wise in some time.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 14, 2019 11:47:09 GMT -5
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 14, 2019 11:51:02 GMT -5
“The fact that it’s number seven and the fact that it came on the tribute to women night, being married to one of the greatest female singers ever, being the father of three daughters...this is very special.” -Garth Brooks, Entertainment TonightUncomfortably tone deaf. AKA: "I'm married to a woman and have three daughters so I deserve it... seven times over". f**k off, Garth.
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Post by brinkeronline on Nov 14, 2019 13:00:26 GMT -5
I mean, Loretta won entertainer at about 40 years old, so there's hope for the next couple years for Carrie?
All other female winners were in their late 20s, very early 30s (except Taylor).
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2019 13:06:21 GMT -5
In re: to Adam, Garth wasn’t selling out stadiums night after night during this eligibility year, though. Irrelevant point.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Nov 14, 2019 14:01:25 GMT -5
A few comments: I didn't have much faith in the voters to give EOTY to Carrie, but I'm still ticked off. Brad was missed, but Carrie, Reba & Dolly were great. The opening performance was awesome, & I'm so glad that Loretta was able to make it. Was surprised that "Girl" didn't win Single or Song. Loved the "Girl Crush" collaboration. Wish that LBT could've gotten a chance to perform their new song, though. And if anyone cares, Jennifer Nettles went all the way off on country radio for their sexism with her red carpet outfit. Have a feeling some here might be interested.Outside Kacey winning female vocalist of the year, finally, I think that was my favourite thing. She went balls out, and the sad thing is nobody can be upset with her for her vulgarity because new women artist are literally drowning among a sea of white guys with guitars who all sound the same. (Really, the only 'unique' new male artist to come out recently is Luke Combs')
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Post by stanches2318 on Nov 14, 2019 14:24:56 GMT -5
A few comments: I didn't have much faith in the voters to give EOTY to Carrie, but I'm still ticked off. Brad was missed, but Carrie, Reba & Dolly were great. The opening performance was awesome, & I'm so glad that Loretta was able to make it. Was surprised that "Girl" didn't win Single or Song. Loved the "Girl Crush" collaboration. Wish that LBT could've gotten a chance to perform their new song, though. And if anyone cares, Jennifer Nettles went all the way off on country radio for their sexism with her red carpet outfit. Have a feeling some here might be interested.Outside Kacey winning female vocalist of the year, finally, I think that was my favourite thing. She went balls out, and the sad thing is nobody can be upset with her for her vulgarity because new women artist are literally drowning among a sea of white guys with guitars who all sound the same. (Really, the only 'unique' new male artist to come out recently is Luke Combs') What was up with Lambert's face after Kacey won female. It didn't look promising.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 14, 2019 14:28:51 GMT -5
I mean, Loretta won entertainer at about 40 years old, so there's hope for the next couple years for Carrie? All other female winners were in their late 20s, very early 30s (except Taylor). Carrie certainly isn't done doing major tours and the whole shebang, it's just hard to imagine her ever winning if she couldn't get the votes this year. They pushed crazy hard for this and Carrie did absolutely everything she could career wise; not to mention the whole hosting/female theme thing. If she was ever going to win, this year was it. She could come back with the most successful album and tour of her career, but I don't know that it would make a difference, she had more support than ever it seemed and still lost. As much as I want to believe it's possible, at this point it would take a miracle. She isn't getting any younger and her radio dominance is fading. She is at the peak of her career now in terms of being an "entertainer", and I think she's still got a few years left, but as the years go by it will only get harder (sexism, ageism, rising superstars - Combs, Morris, Rhett, etc), and of course she isn't the only one waiting; Church, Bentley, and Stapleton are all in the similar boat one way or another... In any case, only the future will tell, but I am no longer hopeful that it will ever happen. Watch, a woman will win next year and it won't be Carrie.
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Post by Troublemaker on Nov 14, 2019 14:36:25 GMT -5
Watch, a woman will win next year and it won't be Carrie. That’s the sad part of this situation. As much as I wanted Carrie to win, I don’t want someone who has done half of what Carrie has done to win. It's almost like voters have an issue with voting for Carrie.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Nov 14, 2019 14:53:10 GMT -5
Watch, a woman will win next year and it won't be Carrie. That’s the sad part of this situation. As much as I wanted Carrie to win, I don’t want someone who has done half of what Carrie has done to win. It's almost like voters have an issue with voting for Carrie. Silly, Miranda is already destined to sweep every category next year (love Miranda, she jus hasn’t accomplished 1/2 as much as Carrie). Knowing the CMAs, they probably couldn’t reward Carrie EoTY before rewarding their absolute favourite living female artist of all time.
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Post by loveofmusic on Nov 14, 2019 14:56:04 GMT -5
Watch, a woman will win next year and it won't be Carrie. That’s the sad part of this situation. As much as I wanted Carrie to win, I don’t want someone who has done half of what Carrie has done to win. It's almost like voters have an issue with voting for Carrie. On Carrie's Cry Pretty album thread, there's a post that talks about how Hunter Hayes said in the past that Carrie has her fair share of haters & people who love her. The same post also thought someone (possibly windmills?) stated that there isn't as much respect with Carrie as with some other artists. Is this a big part of the issue? If she is somewhat polarizing to voters, I'm not sure if she can change that enough for voters to eventually award her.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 14, 2019 15:04:32 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think it's "respect". Most in the genre know how hard Carrie works are what her contributions are. It comes down to timing, being against Garth in a category which he dominates, and fans continually counting him out using logic, which clearly doesn't work when predicting CMAs - it never has, but last night made that glaringly obvious.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 14, 2019 15:09:22 GMT -5
That’s the sad part of this situation. As much as I wanted Carrie to win, I don’t want someone who has done half of what Carrie has done to win. It's almost like voters have an issue with voting for Carrie. Silly, Miranda is already destined to sweep every category next year (love Miranda, she jus hasn’t accomplished 1/2 as much as Carrie). Knowing the CMAs, they probably couldn’t reward Carrie EoTY before rewarding their absolute favourite living female artist of all time. I know Carrie stans *love* turning things into a pissing match (esp. when bringing in unnecessary comparisons to Lambert), but let’s not. The majority are in agreement that CU was unjustly shut out last night; no need to start projecting anger on next year’s possible outcomes.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2019 15:11:26 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think it's "respect". Most in the genre know how hard Carrie works are what her contributions are. It comes down to timing, being against Garth in a category which he dominates, and fans continually counting him out using logic, which clearly doesn't work when predicting CMAs - it never has, but last night made that glaringly obvious. Carrie has to fight to even get nominated in EOTY, so let’s not act like this was a random loss. I’ve heard a theory some of it has to do with her open support of LGBTQ community.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 14, 2019 15:13:36 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think it's "respect". Most in the genre know how hard Carrie works are what her contributions are. It comes down to timing, being against Garth in a category which he dominates, and fans continually counting him out using logic, which clearly doesn't work when predicting CMAs - it never has, but last night made that glaringly obvious. Carrie has to fight to even get nominated in EOTY, so let’s not act like this was a random loss. I’ve heard a theory some of it has to do with her open support of LGBTQ community. I have a difficult time buying that theory when they awarded two openly queer artists last night, one of whom is also a person of color.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 14, 2019 15:14:21 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think it's "respect". Most in the genre know how hard Carrie works are what her contributions are. It comes down to timing, being against Garth in a category which he dominates, and fans continually counting him out using logic, which clearly doesn't work when predicting CMAs - it never has, but last night made that glaringly obvious. Carrie has to fight to even get nominated in EOTY, so let’s not act like this was a random loss. I’ve heard a theory some of it has to do with her open support of LGBTQ community. But they awarded a gay black man and a lesbian last night, so that literally cannot be it.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2019 15:29:13 GMT -5
Carrie has to fight to even get nominated in EOTY, so let’s not act like this was a random loss. I’ve heard a theory some of it has to do with her open support of LGBTQ community. But they awarded a gay black man and a lesbian last night, so that literally cannot be it. Sure, but those could also be one offs. I mean, there are people who say because we’ve had a black President in the U.S. racism clearly is no longer an issue. carrieidol1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 15:36:20 GMT -5
TIL Lil Nas X is gay.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 14, 2019 15:39:40 GMT -5
But they awarded a gay black man and a lesbian last night, so that literally cannot be it. Sure, but those could also be one offs. I mean, there are people who say because we’ve had a black President in the U.S. racism clearly is no longer an issue. carrieidol1Fair enough, but the same voters voted for two LGBTQ people. So to not vote for Carrie because she openly supports equality doesn’t add up. I don’t think it’s anything personal like that... Just timing and circumstantial things like being nominated against the king of the category (who said last night “7 is my number” so he wanted it) - whatever the fuck that means?...
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2019 16:41:23 GMT -5
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Post by liza on Nov 14, 2019 17:01:39 GMT -5
“The fact that it’s number seven and the fact that it came on the tribute to women night, being married to one of the greatest female singers ever, being the father of three daughters...this is very special.” -Garth Brooks, Entertainment TonightUncomfortably tone deaf. He couldn't possibly have expected to win because nobody in the world has ever made such a bad statement.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2019 17:04:42 GMT -5
“The fact that it’s number seven and the fact that it came on the tribute to women night, being married to one of the greatest female singers ever, being the father of three daughters...this is very special.” -Garth Brooks, Entertainment TonightUncomfortably tone deaf. He couldn't possibly have expected to win because nobody in the world has ever made such a bad statement. Speaking of, I am so tired of the “I have a wife/daughters” line. For one, you shouldn’t need a daughter to know to respect and value women as equals/humans. For another, having them doesn’t automatically mean you aren’t sexist. Look at Trump.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 14, 2019 17:30:17 GMT -5
Watching this performance back, I paid close attention to the audience. The producers panned to primarily women in the audience, but if you look around and behind them, you’ll find an overwhelming amount of unamused male faces. This is why Carrie lost. Plain and simple. youtu.be/zPacGAykVQg
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Nov 14, 2019 17:35:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 17:51:10 GMT -5
Watching this performance back, I paid close attention to the audience. The producers panned to primarily women in the audience, but if you look around and behind them, you’ll find an overwhelming amount of unamused male faces. This is why Carrie lost. Plain and simple. youtu.be/zPacGAykVQgI didn’t think Keith Urban or Michael Ray looked bored—the latter was even singing along! 😃
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 14, 2019 17:54:52 GMT -5
Watching this performance back, I paid close attention to the audience. The producers panned to primarily women in the audience, but if you look around and behind them, you’ll find an overwhelming amount of unamused male faces. This is why Carrie lost. Plain and simple. youtu.be/zPacGAykVQgI didn’t think Keith Urban or Michael Ray looked bored—the latter was even singing along! 😃 With a few exceptions and I wasn’t referring to the artists as much as the unknowns around and behind them. Likely CMA members but just not known in the public eye.
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Post by desertfloods on Nov 14, 2019 17:56:49 GMT -5
He nailed it! 100% true that to people outside of the country world, it seems that the women are the more successful ones. Shockingly isn't true the moment you take a close look inside the closed-minded country bubble. And I love the honest reactions of Huh Garth is still active?!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 18:00:41 GMT -5
I didn’t think Keith Urban or Michael Ray looked bored—the latter was even singing along! 😃 With a few exceptions and I wasn’t referring to the artists as much as the unknowns around and behind them. Likely CMA members but just not known in the public eye. Yes, I definitely noticed that too. Some plain looked like they didn’t want to be there.
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Post by countryisking on Nov 14, 2019 18:09:28 GMT -5
Watching this performance back, I paid close attention to the audience. The producers panned to primarily women in the audience, but if you look around and behind them, you’ll find an overwhelming amount of unamused male faces. This is why Carrie lost. Plain and simple. youtu.be/zPacGAykVQgI don’t think so. There were numerous males enjoying that performance. There were also numerous people who looked unamused during other performances throughout the night. Carrie lost because the CMA loves Garth and he campaigned hard. I think everybody agrees he should NOT have won but he also won over 3 other more deserving males. The gender bias plays no part in him winning or not. Plus, Maren and Jenee won in their categories. The problem with EOTY is that they voted Garth, not that they didn’t vote Carrie. To me, Eric Church had just as deserving a year as Carrie and it’s equally frustrating he lost too. Now considering the show last night honored women so well, it would have been great to see Carrie win it of course. At the end of the day, we all agree CMA blew it big time. But random dudes in the audience have nothing to do with why.
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