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Post by Red on Sept 13, 2019 20:03:29 GMT -5
This makes the performance of "Prayer for the Dying" all the more baffling. It's not as good as "Crazy", sure, but it's not THAT much worse. Honestly, the longer this lasted, the more I expected it to make the top two. Good for Seal, though.
2 vs. 6
Pretty much the best-case realistic scenario for this top two. I'd be happy with either winning, but I know what I'm rooting for here.
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Sept 13, 2019 20:03:51 GMT -5
Your final top 2.
Losing My Religion Heaven or Las Vegas
Tale of the Tape: 8/20 #1 rankings are still in Every participant has at least one top 10 left This was only the exact top 2 on 3 occasions
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Sept 13, 2019 20:08:23 GMT -5
Yea this wasn't even really a competition once tanks started coming in for all the other songs. This song got 94.7% of all possible points...holy schnike. My rank is the only non-top 15 and it's still a top 20. Congrats to American Idiot , rowellfarm490 , Daryl the Beryl , campbellssoup , and Lordef†ones for taking the easy route your #1 perfect rankings 1
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Year-End Placing: #9 Chart Peak: #1 Weeks on Chart: 11 1894 points Standard Deviation: 5.22 (lowest)American Idiot - 1 rowellfarm490 - 1 Daryl the Beryl - 1 campbellssoup - 1 Lordef†ones - 1 Az Paynter - 2 somelikeitwhen - 2 House Lannister - 3 @xfer - 4 Sambalada - 5 Red - 6 Doc Indie Party Rock - 8 newpower - 8 Alex1901 - 8 wheatsquares33 - 9 Butterflies & Hurricanes - 10 @doinktheclown - 10 commerce196 - 12 peacebone - 14 singingrulebritannia - 20 Performance history:#9 Alt 1991 (Texarkana) | #10 Alt 2000 (The Great Beyond) | #11 Alt 1993 (Man on the Moon) | #11 Active 1993 (Man on the Moon) | #12 Alt 2001 (Imitation of Life) | #17 Alt 1992 (Drive) | #19 Active 1993 (Ignoreland) | #27 Active 1992 (Drive) | #31 Alt 1994 (What's the Frequency, Kenneth?) | #32 Active 1994 (What's the Frequency, Kenneth?) | #32 Alt 1998 (Daysleeper) | #33 Active 1995 (Strange Currencies) | #37 Alt 1995 (Stranger Currencies) | #37 Active 1995 (Bang and Blame) | #39 Active 1996 (Bittersweet Me) | #40 Alt 1996 (Bittersweet Me) | #42 Alt 1993 (Ignoreland) | #44 Active 1995 (Crush with Eyeliner) | #50 Alt 1995 (Bang and Blame) | #57 Alt 1996 (E-Bow the Letter) | #59 Active 1996 (E-Bow the Letter) | #59 Alt 2008 (Supernatural, Superserious) | #61 Alt 1994 (Photograph w/ Natalie Merchant) | #68 Alt 1991 (Shiny Happy People) | #71 Alt 1995 (Star 69) | #72 Active 1995 (Star 69) Movements:10 3 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 Spectators: alexcuse janinho Geometrical MoD @slipperyslope
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Post by House Lannister on Sept 13, 2019 20:10:48 GMT -5
Worthy final two.
Congrats to REM.
Thanks for hosting, Disassociative and Things That Dreams are Made Of!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 20:11:06 GMT -5
Wow!! And I thought no rankdown would top what Super Freak did in 80s a month ago. But this did even better with more participants. Great song!
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Post by Red on Sept 13, 2019 20:14:05 GMT -5
Good god. Like, I figured that "Losing My Religion" was going to win and was a fairly obvious winner. I also did not think it would dominate like this. That is just wild. Here's how much I like "Heaven or Las Vegas": I struggled mightily with my #1 choice between it and "Kiss Them for Me". Remember, "Kiss Them for Me" was a Journey song. And not just any Journey, Journey 1. I came this close to just saying "to hell with it" and ranking HOLV #1 instead. I almost did it. "Heaven or Las Vegas" is among the best songs of the 90's, and it wows me every time I listen to it. Now I'm almost regretting not putting it at #1. Crap. At any rate, great job hosting as always, singingrulebritannia...and great first time rock chart rankdown host job, Butterflies & Hurricanes! I may not have agreed with your decision to hold off on revealing #41 for a night, but your enthusiasm was certainly welcome, and I think I would not mind seeing you host another one of these.
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Sept 13, 2019 20:16:43 GMT -5
And that's a wrap! Time for the part where I thank everyone for submitting and commenting, but particularly to Butterflies & Hurricanes for splitting the workload with me and making it possible for me to get behind the scenes of this RD. Though the comparatively low turnout made the winner less interesting, it did cause for some fun results outside. I hope I'll find you all returning for 1990 Alt, which, if you weren't too thrilled by this list of songs, could flip the script for you. And don't forget 1991 Active is also currently in the submissions process.
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Post by campbellssoup on Sept 13, 2019 20:21:29 GMT -5
Thank you singingrulebritannia and Butterflies & Hurricanes for hosting! I think this was the first time my number #1 has won a rankdown so that’s exciting although the winner may have been obvious. I’ll be looking forward to 1990.
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Post by Butterflies & Hurricanes on Sept 13, 2019 20:50:47 GMT -5
singingrulebritannia deserves the majority of the credit as he did 90% of the work on this, but I was happy to play my part. Thanks to everyone who participated. I’m looking forward to ranking the list from Alt 1990 as that list is chock-full of amazing songs. Actually, that’s gonna make it even more difficult to compose my list, but I’ll make the sacrifice!
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Sept 13, 2019 23:38:50 GMT -5
10. Movin' on Up - Primal ScreamI'm surprised this one made the top 10 after you all blew it with "Rocks". That's my favorite. This kinda sounded more Rolling Stones that the Stones themselves, but as far as "Primal Scream" is concerned I'll take the Mötley Crüe song of the same title over everything else. 9. Texarkana - R.E.M.Hey one of my favorite you never hear on the radio R.E.M. songs ever. This one got love on Mainstream Rock radio as well, so I knew it well. 8. Until She Comes - The Psychedelic FursGreat song for the top 10. I was a bit afriad because of the song title. Had this been AC/DC it would have been tanked. My favorite "...She Comes" song is from The Cars. Not surprised that I'm one of the highest rankers. This band is from the 80's. 7. Tighten Up - ElectronicThis was probably my favorite song by this band. It didn't get much airplay back then, but sounded really good. The added guitars takes it to the proper modern rock level. 6. Kiss Them for Me - Siouxsie & the Banshees Musically this isn't a favorite of mine, but she sounds good and had a nice melody in the chorus. 5. Wicked Game - Chris IsaakThe music video is sexy but the song did very little for me....and I don't know how the hell it ever crossed into mainstream Rock territory either. 4. Smells Like Teen Spirit - NirvanaI'm just glad this didn't win. Truthfully to me this song sounds better among Hair Metal rock ,and that's because it was always on MTV TRL between Guns N' Roses and Warrant jams. Also the reason I grew to like it. but that's where my love for it ends. My rank goes to show how I still prefer 80's like Britpop, first time listens, over the grunge sound of 90's any day of the week. 3. Crazy - SealIt's decent but nothing like the awesomeness of "Kiss From A Rose". 2. Heaven or Las Vegas - Cocteau Twins This song was decent. I never heard it before, and it sounded more like Sophistipop to me, which is the reason I came close to my top half of the rankings. 1. Losing My Religion - R.E.M.This is a rally great song. This one and Orange Crush , . "..... Kennith" and the two featured here are my favs. Also big on Mainstream Rock, so I guess it just might win there too. I gave it the highest rank I'm gonna give it here, but it did go top 20 on my personal charts.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Sept 14, 2019 0:08:36 GMT -5
Great job to both Butterflies & Hurricanes and singingrulebritannia for all the work put into the RD and especially the extras, which I will conclude with this last set. Come Together - Primal ScreamNice Stones vibe, but I can see why it wasn't such a big hit. THis is the kind of mellow vibe I can get into. I wonder what this would have sounded like if it had been a Beatles cover. Julie's Blanket - Mary's DanishHellyes!!! Since most of the songs on this RD were first time listens this song would surely have been one I would have considered putting in my top 15. Vocals hit the spot. I Feel So Good - Richard ThompsonMusic was alright, but I wasn't too keen on his vocals. Groovy Train - The FarmNice guitar strums and great vocals make me overlook the percussion which is good for me, since I'm usually not a fan of it, but it does kinda fit the song, so I can like it on a groovy level. Shoot You Down - BirdlandA total first time, but I really dug this post punk vibe. It Makes No Difference - Darling BudsThis is just o.k. Aside for the good vocals it's more Alt Rock than Britpop. Stand by Love - Simple MindsFunny to see a song make it all the way to #4 and not make the top 100 of the year. I think I prefer this one to the one we ranked. Talkin' Loud and Sayin' - Living Colourback to their cheesy tricks. I don't like this wanna be Lenny Kravitz band. Which Way Should I Jump? - Milltown BrothersThis is way more something I could enjoy. The kind of first time listen that would make my top 30.
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Post by Juanca on Sept 14, 2019 0:45:17 GMT -5
70. Right Here, Right Now (14): I'm in the opposite side as some here, so I wish I could've lent a hand to support songs like this. A big hit back home, and one of my favorite modern rock + dance songs of the year for me. 69. The Soul Cages (~60): Good enough rock pop song. It bubbled under my personal chart for a few weeks. 68. Shiny Happy People (18): A big hit back home, and a personal chart-topper. I song that I still use when I want to hear uplifting songs. I love Kate's influence here with the claps, vocals, melodies. Far too low for such an ear worm!! 67. Monsters and Angels (50s): This was pleasant and catchy enough, but a bit simple at the same time. 66. Celebrate (80s): This was far too bland and forgettable as first listen, with mediocre vocals. 65. Backlash (~50): Not as strong as her 80s singles, but this was a solid 90s offering for such a rock legend. It was melodic, catchy and with good vocals that didn't feel phoned it or fake. Good enough to be around the middle. 64. Take Five (22): This was actually one of my favorite discoveries of this list, with that type of percussion sound and guitar/drum combo and single-along chorus that I really like. Assumed it was gonna be too dancey or poppy for this crowd 63. The Other Side of Summer (~50): Nice melodies and different instruments sprinkled with some nice Beach Boys influences here and there, but a bit all over the place / messy with the different segments of the song.. 62. Caught in My Shadow (~40): Good chorus, although a bit underwhelming verses. I did like the music and instrumentation quite a bit to make it to my top half. 61. Love Rears Its Ugly Head (80s): I initially had it in my bottom 5, but I liked it a bit more with a couple more listens. 60. Walking Down Madison (~35): A pretty good discovery. The type of dancey rock combo that I dig. Guitars, percussion, harmonies, and a Suzanne Vega vibe that I can definitely use. 59. Always on the Run (90s): One of my least favorite Lenny singles ever 58. Flowers in the Rain (80s): Melody sounded lazy, just like the vocals 57. Sexuality (40s): Catchy tune with some cute vocals and harmonies and British pop sound were a good enough combo for a song to be around my 40s. 56. Bitter Tears (~35): The intro was promising, but then everything else seemed undercooked. Had a little of the INXS musical sound (brass!) but could've been much better. I liked the remix more than the original, actually, so this made me put in my 30s... 55. All This Time (20): It reached the top 5 in my personal chart. I really like the musicality here in terms of melodies and instruments. An interpolation of an oldie wasn't bad either. And it brought several good memories. 54. Sing Your Life (24): My favorite Morrissey tune in this RD, and in my top 10 of Morrissey songs ever. It was GREAT to finally see him live a couple years ago in DC. I became a big fan of him after listening to one of his compilations (Bona Drag) in the early 2000s. 53. Top of the Pops (~40): Good rep of this type of British sound. 52. Our Frank (70s): This was actually a bit of a disappointment, as the music was good enough, but the melody went a bit nowhere. Maybe it's my lack of familiarity with this one, but I think he has far better songs than this one. 51. Love To Hate You (2): OY!!! Another reason I'm bummed I couldn't participate, as I would've made them reach the top half with this song. This was a BIG hit back home, including because it managed to be played in Spanish-only radio stations thanks to its Spanish version. I loved the Spanish vibe of the song, the sorta reprise of I Will Survive, and the synthpop melody of this song. I had already become a big fan of Erasure in 1990 after their Wild! album, and this album made me an even bigger fan. LTHY was one of my top 5 songs of the year and it's still one of the 90s songs that I play the most. I screamed and sang at the top of my lungs when I saw them live for the first time within the last year ! I still love them.
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Post by Juanca on Sept 14, 2019 2:31:28 GMT -5
50. Only Tongue Can Tell (60s): Nice guitar and decent melody, but nothing too spectacular. However, Obscurity Knocks was my JAM. It reached the top of my personal chart and the yearend top 25. A song I still play with relative frequency. 49. Timeless Melody (70s): Harmless but forgettable. 48. It's Only Natural (35): My favorite CH songs in this RD by far, and my 6th or 7th favorite CH songs overall. 47. Submarine Song (31): A pretty good discovery. I liked the guitars and drums quite a bit, and the overall melody and vibe. Catchy. 46. American Music (60s): I could've liked had it in my top half in the end. It got better, rockier in the final part of the song. I guess the silliness made me under appreciate it. 45. When It Began (70s): It had a more classic sound but also felt a bit bland and uninteresting 44. Marble (50s): Very nice guitar and classic rock sound, with good enough vocals to fight for a spot in my top half 43. Alive and Living Now (60s): The melody was underwhelming, but Michael's vocals and guitar sound were pluses. 42. Stone Cold Yesterday (30): That melody sounded familiar, like 80s familiar, but I can't put my finger on what song(s). Regardless, the melody, music, vocals were really solid. Nice discovery. 41. Give It Away (28): WHAT?!! I mean, I was NOT a fan of this song in 1991 at all, but I've grown to appreciate the strong musicality of this mix of funk, rock, and rap. Still I wouldn't play it on my own, but in a list like this it's not deserving of bottom quarter... I thought I was going to be amongst the lowest rankers actually, so I'm now kinda lost... 40. Wild Hearted Son (60s): This was just there for me. Nothing bad, but just a bit forgettable, or at least didn't grab me. 39. Happy (80s): This felt like undercooked, amateur school rock, that I don't care much about... melody was weak, but guitars were strong enough to escape bottom 10. 38. Hands Across the Ocean (50s): A few more listens could've made me rank it in my top half. Nice melody, vocals and guitars,. 37. Sit Down (27): I like James quite a bit, and even though this brighter type of songs aren't in my bucket of favorite James songs, it's still a bop and a half. 36. Unbelievable (5): Great song, with an excellent dance - rock combo that reached the top of my personal chart, and was also quite popular back home. I could've made it reach the top third in this RD :( 35. Get the Message (17): Another good Electronic song. I still prefer their songs with Neil Tennant, but this is a good, melodic output anyway. I especially like the instrumental bridge and the nostalgic vocals. 34. Piccadilly Palare (29): My second favorite Morrissey song in this RD, and a song that clicked soon after I heard it in the early 00s. 33. Disappear (16): My favorite this era was Suicide Blonde, but this was a good follow-up. Not as strong as most of their 80s hits, but good enough for me to rank it this high in this RD. 32. More (15): This was my favorite discovery in this RD. I'm a sucker for this type of epic sound. Even the funeral lead vocals sorta worked here, plus those background vocals in the chorus make up for it. I didn't know this was a Steinman song. Now it makes sense why I liked it so much! 31. There's No Other Way (40s): Not the best of Blur, but still strong enough for top half.
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Post by rowellfarm490 on Sept 14, 2019 9:22:38 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 14, 2019 10:06:31 GMT -5
I had a feeling four top 10's in the actual top 10 would keep me out of last place lol. Really happy for Seal making top 3, I don't know what I expected from him but top 10 alone was beyond my expectations. Also lol my favourite version of 'Losing My Religion' is a cover by a former gay porn star.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Sept 14, 2019 11:02:29 GMT -5
Note: This takes into account the 2015 AAA RD as well, as both RDs had reveals happening simultaneously on some days. Average ranks update: The following artists have been added to the database: The Alarm Ásgeir Beirut Big Audio Billy Bragg Chapterhouse Cocteau Twins Damien Rice Danielle Dax Dave Wakeling Divinyls Echo & the Bunnymen EMF An Emotional Fish Esmé Patterson The Farm Fishbone The Fixx G. Love & Special Sauce Gary Clail The Godfathers The Golden Palominos Good Old War Grace Potter Greg Holden Guster Happy Mondays Havana 3 A.M. Hoodoo Gurus House of Freaks Jarryd James Jason Isbell JJ Grey & MOFRO Joan Jett & the Blackhearts Joe Jackson John Wesley Harding Julian Cope Kirsty MacColl Kitchens of Distinction Knox Hamilton Kopecky The La's Mark Knopfler Matt Nathanson Meg Mac Michael Franti & Spearhead The Mission My Morning Jacket The New Basement Tapes Northside OneRepublic Paolo Nutini Pop Will Eat Itself The Psychedelic Furs Punch Brothers The Replacements Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians Sam Smith Scars on 45 Shakey Graves The Sisters of Mercy Stress They Eat Their Own This Picture Tin Machine Tor Miller Voice of the Beehive The Wonder Stuff Zella Day Ziggy Marley The following artists have their average ranks lowered: Alabama Shakes -2.166 The Arcs -8.833 Beck -1.103 Big Data -5.75 Billy Idol -3 The Black Keys -1.284 Bleachers -1.2 Blur -5.667 BØRNS -1.567 Cage the Elephant -0.457 The Candy Skins -10 The Charlatans -15.667 Chris Isaak -31.5 The Connells -15.5 Crowded House -5 Dawes -7.55 Death Cab for Cutie -2.123 The Decemberists -6.067 Electronic -0.667 Elvis Costello -13.5 Enigma -17 Erasure -0.667 Father John Misty -1 Florence + The Machine -0.225 Frank Turner -3.167 Houndmouth -16.167 The House of Love -16.5 INXS -3.384 James -5.917 Joywave -3.375 The Judybats -0.5 Lenny Kravitz -0.159 Leon Bridges -1.967 The Lone Bellow -2.333 Lush -13 Material Issue -26.667 Meat Puppets -1.167 Modest Mouse -2.286 Moon Taxi -2.6 Morrissey -1.55 Ned's Atomic Dustbin -11.5 Nirvana -0.564 Of Monsters and Men -0.047 Pixies -29 Primal Scream -38 Public Image Ltd. -2 R.E.M. -0.439 Ryan Adams -4.45 Saint Motel -3.75 School of Fish -12.5 Seal -14.333 Simple Minds -12.333 Siouxsie and the Banshees -12.167 Spoon -0.861 Squeeze -10 Tame Impala -6.5 Throwing Muses -26 TV on the Radio -16.5 Violent Femmes -25 Walk the Moon -1.018 Wilco -6.333 The following artists have their average ranks raised: Anderson East 4.667 Andrew McMahon in the Wilderness 0.1 Bahamas 12.5 Bastille 4.379 Ben Folds 7.5 Brandi Carlile 11.25 Courtney Barnett 0.5 The Cult 1.333 Daniel Ash 18 Ed Sheeran 24 Elle King 1.056 First Aid Kit 2.833 Foo Fighters 0.312 Gary Clark Jr. 9.5 George Ezra 5.629 The Head and the Heart 0.786 Hozier 4.792 Imagine Dragons 1.042 James Bay 23.25 JD McPherson 13.5 Jellyfish 6.5 Jesus Jones 10 Kaleo 7.381 Keith Richards 2.5 Living Colour 8 Lord Huron 0.667 Mumford & Sons 0.036 Muse 0.614 Red Hot Chili Peppers 0.171 The Smithereens 0.833 Sting 0.583 The Trash Can Sinatras 2 U2 0.681 Vance Joy 1.389 The War on Drugs 0.5 X Ambassadors 1.056 View the average ranks of all the artists, including the updated averages, here!
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Post by House Lannister on Sept 14, 2019 12:42:06 GMT -5
A plan that kinda, sorta came together:
10. Movin' On Up---It's not quite as potent as Rocks. But it does have some chill atmosphere in it with a nice guitar and vocals.
9. Texarkana---Yeah, I was thinking this would have stalled out in the mid-teens or so. But this was a solid song featuring nice vocals from Mr. Stipe.
8. Until She Comes---The guitar is the best selling point to this solid song.
7. Tighten Up---That was an interesting beginning for sure. The vocals could have been better, your mileage may vary.
6. Kiss Them for Me---I dug the beat of this one. The vocals were well done.
5. Wicked Game---Umm.
Done as the theme song for Wild at Heart, the 1990 David Lynch film featuring a love between Nicolas Cage (when he was trying to be a serious actor) and Laura Dern, revenge, crime, family and hitmen.
Isaak did Game as the first single to his third album, but it didn't do well. It wasn't until Wild at Heart used it when it took off.
As for the song itself, Isaak's voice is able to reflect heartbreak whether it's due to a love that can't be filled or a love that isn't good for him. The instrumentation is well done and adds to the quality.
4. Smells Like Teen Spirit: Yeah, I'm with Red on this one. No clue how this iconic grunge song didn't make the top 3 in either Active or Alternative. But I guess we can thank the same person who found Give It Away incredibly bland. To each their own!
3. Crazy---This on the hand is shocking to me. I was thinking there'd be more of an attempt to keep this out of the top 10. This song features some solid lyrics, a soulful voice, and memorable synths. But I guess I can be glad this overachieved!
2. Heaven or Las Vegas---Solid song with nice vocals and keyboards.
1. Losing my Religion: Another case of solid lyrics and singing, but the instrumentation helped push this song into my top 5. Worthy winner!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 13:56:05 GMT -5
I love REM as much as the next person, but for a moment, I thought that dropping it a bit might not be too bad (since I knew it was loved) but that wouldn't have mattered, as it was a force of nature apparently lol
Another rankdown, another last place. I'm happy Chris Isaak managed to land in the top 5!! But I also wonder how it managed to cross over to a rock format.
Anyone knows if Chris Isaak will be in a future retro rankdown?
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Post by Butterflies & Hurricanes on Sept 14, 2019 14:16:53 GMT -5
Anyone knows if Chris Isaak will be in a future retro rankdown? At least 3x but not sure how many are extras vs ranked songs
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Post by Juanca on Sept 15, 2019 0:20:19 GMT -5
30. Then (80s): I was expecting to like a song by Charlatans, but it was very simple and underwhelming. 29. Valerie Loves Me (60s): I liked this more than Diane, as the verses and use of guitars and drums were stronger, but the chorus was too simple... 28. That is Why (50s): The more I heard this, the more I liked it, so I may have ended uo putting it in the top half. It's another case of a far-too-simple chorus though. 27. Like a Drug (70s): This had a promising start, although the vocals in the chorus were thinner than what the music required. I started to like the guitar and melodic vibe overall, so I can see ranking this higher with a couple more listens. 26. See the Lights (60s): I liked the atmospheric, mysterious vibe of this one, but I wasn't as grabbed by the melody as I wanted to be. That guitar solo and of course vocals would've likely pushed it to the top half of my ranking in the end. 25. 3 Strange Days (90s): Huh? Why is it this high?? Guitars were promising, but then the messy lead vocals, melody, simplicity of it all, were completely forgettable and unremarkable. Clear bottom 10 for me. 24. Counting Backwards (90s): Despite the good guitar and drums, those vocals were like nails on chalkboard to me... plus the simple melody made me not like to go back. Bottom 10 was probably too harsh, but I don't see them escaping my bottom 20.
23. So You Think You're in Love (40s): I hadn't heard this song in decades! It was a good re-discovery. Nice classic melody and music, good vocals. A very strong song, well deserving of this high spot.
22. Sam (70s): Far from the heights of Backwater. Why is it this high again and especially beating Give It Away, which arguably has as unorthodox verses as this one, but much richer vocal delivery and musicality?
21. Sadeness Part 1 (10): This was such a left-field hit back in the day, but I LOVED it from first listen. This juxtaposition of Gregorian chants, electronic music, classical melody, and sexy vocals simply worked. Plus, it was GREAT to see Sandra back in music, providing those sexy vocals alongside her husband, Romanian Mihai Cretu, the mastermind behind Enigma. (Sandra had a few hits in the 80s, the biggest one being I'll Never Be Maria Magdalena, a song composed, produced and arranged by Mihai.) Great to see this made it this far :)
20. The Fly (2): Such a left-field lead single for U2 -and I loved it!! It's also my second favorite song from Achtung Baby (after One), and one of my favorite uptempo hits from them (although I like Lemon a bit more). I'm bummed I could've made it reach the top 20 in this RD...
19. Sunless Saturday (90s): Mmmm. This type of abrasive, messy sound usually goes to the bottom of my ranking in first listens. I can appreciate it a bit better now that I listened to it again, so I would've ended up ranking it above my bottom 10, but with much more melodic stuff they would've likely not escaped bottom quarter.
18. I Touch Myself (11): A big hit back home in rock and pop stations that has some good recurrent airplay. A personal chart-topper that bring good memories and I still use. One of the best 90s covers.
17. Chorus (9): I love the music, melody, production of this song. A hit in one of our rock radio stations, but not as big as it was in my personal chart: it stayed two weeks at the top and was in my yearend top 25. This was their 7th song to reach the top of my personal chart. I'm very pleasantly surprised to see it this high! [They'd get their 8th and 9th personal chart-topper in this era, with Love To Hate You and Breath of Life:
16. Pearl (50s): This was an interesting first listen. The melody and music was cool, although the bridge almost interpolates Kiss Them For Me. The whispery vocals were just not strong enough and almost buried in the sound for me to put it in the top half.
15. Sweetness and Light (80s): Interesting music in theory, but after the first few listens it turned into nice background music that didn't really grab me as I thought it could.
14. Letter to Memphis (~35): This was a good first listen. I thought the melody, vocals, music worked well together,
13. Naked Rain (26): One of my favorite discoveries in this RD. I loved the epicness of the music, sound, vocals. Pretty cool song (wish it were in iTunes!).
12. There She Goes (40s): I like Sixpence None the Richer's cover better, but in either version the song is just a bit too simple --catchy, melodic, but just plain vanilla.
11. Drive That Fast (40s): Cool sound and vocals that I was still deciding where to rank it in my top half. I dug its vibe, so I may have ended up ranking it a bit higher.
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Sept 15, 2019 4:08:01 GMT -5
No offense, but you might want to think about what it means when your reaction to indie rock/weird abrasive un-poppy rock bands ranking high in a 1991 alternative rock rankdown--bands who were in their prime in 1991 and are still influential on modern indie rock--is amazement. Could also be useful to give some thought to why you use "simple" as a pejorative so much for a genre whose foundation was punk rock ;)
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Post by Juanca on Sept 15, 2019 23:45:29 GMT -5
No offense, but you might want to think about what it means when your reaction to indie rock/weird abrasive un-poppy rock bands ranking high in a 1991 alternative rock rankdown--bands who were in their prime in 1991 and are still influential on modern indie rock--is amazement. Could also be useful to give some thought to why you use "simple" as a pejorative so much for a genre whose foundation was punk rock ;) Mmmm. I don't know. I believe we can all appreciate different sub-genres within Alternative / Modern Rock. This is precisely the type of RD where we can see as diverse a group of acts as Rush, Depeche Mode, INXS, Oasis, Garbage, Smashing Pumpkins, EMF, Big Audio Dynamite, Red Hot Chili Peppers, U2. I wouldn't consider their music simple or abrasive, and they've had great success in this genre. I've tried to make most of my comments from a personal perspective, based on my own perception of these songs, as I believe this is what this type of RDs promote. No offense, but as a pop poster who's ventured to join just a few Rock threads, it feels a bit unwelcoming to be called out for sharing personal comments in a thread like this, where there seemed to be the typical good vibe of familiar posters sharing their personal comments and stories without being judged. And unfortunately it's not the first time I've witnessed a similar reaction to a non-rock poster...
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Nov 4, 2021 9:04:14 GMT -5
A regret has been nagging at me for 2 years. It's time I finally put it to rest. In November 2019, I was chatting with Lordeftones about the upcoming 1990 Alternative rankdown; he said he wasn't motivated to submit, and if he did, he would probably just put Iceblink Luck at #1 and randomize the rest. I thought that was just a funny joke...but then he continued by saying "Imma be honest, I didn't listen to most of 1991 alt. That's why my list was so weird". This really bothered me, especially since it was so out of the blue and he didn't seem particularly ashamed to admit this. Why submit a list for a rankdown if you're not familiar with all of the songs? That's unfair to everyone else who did put the effort in to listen to everything. But since I was occupied by helping Albie co-host 1990 with me, I shoved this thought into the back of my mind. But now I have the chance to "fix" this. These are the results with Lord's list removed. I'm not going to make the concrete statement that this is the new official canon list; I'll leave it up to everyone's individual interpretations. If it's personally edifying to you to think of it that way, I'm not stopping you. Frankly, I'm not a fan of most of the changes that come from removing Lord's rankings...but there is one difference that makes me very happy, and that is which song takes up the last slot in the top 10. Original # | New # | Difference | Song | Points | SD | High | 1 | 1 | 0 | R.E.M. - Losing My Religion | 1794 | 5.21 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 1 | Seal - Crazy | 1619 | 18.01 | 1 | 2 | 3 | -1 | Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas | 1574 | 20.59 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 0 | Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit | 1527 | 25.17 | 2 | 5 | 5 | 0 | Chris Isaak - Wicked Game | 1453 | 30.65 | 1 | 6 | 6 | 0 | Siouxsie & the Banshees - Kiss Them for Me | 1448 | 21.71 | 1 | 7 | 7 | 0 | Electronic - Tighten Up | 1431 | 19.76 | 2 | 9 | 8 | 1 | R.E.M. - Texarkana | 1416 | 20.02 | 1 | 8 | 9 | -1 | The Psychedelic Furs - Until She Comes | 1405 | 20.15 | 6 | 11 | 10 | 1 | Kitchens of Distinction - Drive That Fast | 1399 | 23.63 | 2 | 13 | 11 | 2 | This Picture - Naked Rain | 1372 | 24.88 | 2 | 10 | 12 | -2 | Primal Scream - Movin' on Up | 1355 | 25.66 | 5 | 17 | 13 | 4 | Erasure - Chorus | 1316 | 20.35 | 3 | 12 | 14 | -2 | The La's - There She Goes | 1312 | 26.96 | 5 | 16 | 15 | 1 | Chapterhouse - Pearl | 1268 | 28.14 | 1 | 14 | 16 | -2 | Pixies - Letter to Memphis | 1265 | 27.49 | 3 | 19 | 17 | 2 | Fishbone - Sunless Saturday | 1259 | 35.59 | 2 | 15 | 18 | -3 | Lush - Sweetness and Light | 1257 | 29.83 | 3 | 21 | 19 | 2 | Enigma - Sadeness Part 1 | 1245 | 27.20 | 7 | 18 | 20 | -2 | Divinyls - I Touch Myself | 1242 | 26.98 | 4 | 20 | 21 | -1 | U2 - The Fly | 1230 | 25.63 | 6 | 23 | 22 | 1 | Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians - So You Think You're in Love | 1177 | 24.44 | 4 | 28 | 23 | 5 | Jellyfish - That is Why | 1163 | 25.85 | 3 | 22 | 24 | -2 | Meat Puppets - Sam | 1154 | 29.17 | 11 | 24 | 25 | -1 | Throwing Muses - Counting Backwards | 1150 | 17.35 | 9 | 27 | 26 | 1 | They Eat Their Own - Like a Drug | 1140 | 25.29 | 10 | 25 | 27 | -2 | School of Fish - 3 Strange Days | 1131 | 24.00 | 2 | 36 | 28 | 8 | EMF - Unbelievable | 1124 | 31.15 | 2 | 26 | 29 | -3 | Simple Minds - See the Lights | 1121 | 21.17 | 3 | 29 | 30 | -1 | Material Issue - Valerie Loves Me | 1116 | 25.68 | 7 | 33 | 31 | 2 | INXS - Disappear | 1111 | 22.87 | 8 | 30 | 32 | -2 | The Charlatans UK - Then | 1106 | 30.24 | 8 | 38 | 33 | 5 | The Mission U.K. - Hands Across the Ocean | 1091 | 24.88 | 11 | 31 | 34 | -3 | Blur - There's No Other Way | 1086 | 23.02 | 13 | 32 | 35 | -3 | Sisters of Mercy - More | 1063 | 36.43 | 1 | 43 | 36 | 7 | The Golden Palominos - Alive and Living Now | 1059 | 22.37 | 13 | 39 | 37 | 2 | Ned's Atomic Dustbin - Happy | 1057 | 19.56 | 16 | 35 | 38 | -3 | Electronic - Get the Message | 1055 | 22.67 | 14 | 44 | 39 | 5 | House of Love - Marble | 1054 | 21.17 | 14 | 42 | 40 | 2 | The Connells - Stone Cold Yesterday | 1053 | 23.78 | 8 | 34 | 41 | -7 | Morrissey - Piccadilly Palare | 1053 | 24.69 | 10 | 37 | 42 | -5 | James - Sit Down | 1039 | 21.76 | 12 | 45 | 43 | 2 | The Replacements - When It Began | 1012 | 25.11 | 13 | 40 | 44 | -4 | The Cult - Wild Hearted Son | 1010 | 27.31 | 2 | 41 | 45 | -4 | Red Hot Chili Peppers - Give It Away | 1006 | 39.92 | 1 | 47 | 46 | 1 | The Candy Skins - Submarine Song | 1001 | 19.08 | 15 | 51 | 47 | 4 | Erasure - Love to Hate You | 993 | 24.54 | 11 | 50 | 48 | 2 | The Trash Can Sinatras - Only Tongue Can Tell | 991 | 29.12 | 12 | 56 | 49 | 7 | INXS - Bitter Tears | 983 | 23.28 | 6 | 57 | 50 | 7 | Billy Bragg - Sexuality | 977 | 28.60 | 1 | 55 | 51 | 4 | Sting - All This Time | 975 | 21.37 | 15 | 58 | 52 | 6 | Stress - Flowers in the Rain | 962 | 20.89 | 3 | 53 | 53 | 0 | The Smithereens - Top of the Pops | 948 | 22.81 | 22 | 48 | 54 | -6 | Crowded House - It's Only Natural | 947 | 22.45 | 4 | 54 | 55 | -1 | Morrissey - Sing Your Life | 944 | 18.50 | 17 | 52 | 56 | -4 | Morrissey - Our Frank | 943 | 25.68 | 14 | 46 | 57 | -11 | Violent Femmes - American Music | 941 | 27.42 | 14 | 59 | 58 | 1 | Lenny Kravitz - Always on the Run | 931 | 24.31 | 15 | 49 | 59 | -10 | The La's - Timeless Melody | 928 | 26.68 | 12 | 60 | 60 | 0 | Kirsty MacColl - Walking Down Madison | 919 | 23.95 | 8 | 61 | 61 | 0 | Living Colour - Love Rears Its Ugly Head | 910 | 26.75 | 11 | 64 | 62 | 2 | Northside - Take Five | 904 | 23.74 | 8 | 62 | 63 | -1 | The Wonder Stuff - Caught in My Shadow | 888 | 23.90 | 8 | 63 | 64 | -1 | Elvis Costello - The Other Side of Summer | 870 | 24.17 | 16 | 70 | 65 | 5 | Jesus Jones - Right Here, Right Now | 859 | 31.77 | 4 | 67 | 66 | 1 | Voice of the Beehive - Monsters and Angels | 849 | 21.02 | 16 | 66 | 67 | -1 | An Emotional Fish - Celebrate | 843 | 22.34 | 14 | 65 | 68 | -3 | Joan Jett - Backlash | 832 | 25.69 | 5 | 71 | 69 | 2 | Tin Machine - One Shot | 799 | 24.71 | 7 | 69 | 70 | -1 | Sting - The Soul Cages | 796 | 16.95 | 27 | 72 | 71 | 1 | Echo & the Bunnymen - Enlighten Me | 792 | 18.13 | 22 | 76 | 72 | 4 | Havana 3 A.M. - Reach the Rock | 788 | 20.98 | 17 | 68 | 73 | -5 | R.E.M. - Shiny Happy People | 776 | 33.02 | 3 | 73 | 74 | -1 | Crowded House - Chocolate Cake | 774 | 34.14 | 2 | 75 | 75 | 0 | The Fixx - How Much is Enough | 772 | 22.38 | 18 | 74 | 76 | -2 | Squeeze - Satisfied | 767 | 19.22 | 16 | 77 | 77 | 0 | Material Issue - Diane | 746 | 17.72 | 18 | 79 | 78 | 1 | Happy Mondays - Kinky Afro | 746 | 21.18 | 27 | 78 | 79 | -1 | Big Audio Dynamite II - Rush | 727 | 34.92 | 6 | 81 | 80 | 1 | U2 - Night and Day | 707 | 25.29 | 10 | 83 | 81 | 2 | Joe Jackson - Obvious Song | 688 | 20.11 | 27 | 80 | 82 | -2 | John Wesley Harding - The Person You Are | 684 | 18.48 | 25 | 82 | 83 | -1 | The Godfathers - Unreal World | 680 | 21.66 | 25 | 85 | 84 | 1 | EMF - I Believe | 638 | 27.51 | 5 | 84 | 85 | -1 | The Farm - All Together Now | 616 | 24.62 | 7 | 86 | 86 | 0 | Dave Wakeling - I Want More | 566 | 18.77 | 27 | 88 | 87 | 1 | Jesus Jones - International Bright Young Thing | 547 | 28.03 | 13 | 87 | 88 | -1 | The Alarm - The Road | 542 | 14.25 | 41 | 89 | 89 | 0 | Daniel Ash - This Love | 527 | 21.68 | 13 | 90 | 90 | 0 | Lloyd Cole - She's a Girl and I'm a Man | 523 | 23.89 | 23 | 92 | 91 | 1 | Hoodoo Gurus - Miss Freelove 69 | 504 | 21.21 | 28 | 93 | 92 | 1 | Pop Will Eat Itself - X Y & Zee | 497 | 25.57 | 17 | 91 | 93 | -2 | House of Freaks - Rocking Chair | 475 | 17.24 | 40 | 94 | 94 | 0 | Public Image Ltd. - Don't Ask Me | 446 | 31.60 | 12 | 95 | 95 | 0 | The Judybats - Native Son | 446 | 20.43 | 26 | 96 | 96 | 0 | Julian Cope - Beautiful Love | 399 | 16.31 | 37 | 97 | 97 | 0 | Gary Clail - Human Nature | 374 | 15.96 | 48 | 98 | 98 | 0 | Danielle Dax - Tomorrow Never Knows | 364 | 14.78 | 52 | 99 | 99 | 0 | Big Audio Dynamite II - The Globe | 338 | 26.52 | 16 | 100 | 100 | 0 | Ziggy Marley - Kozmik | 250 | 14.42 | 36 |
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