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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Sept 21, 2019 11:41:03 GMT -5
Bruh, that's a whole other situation Selena Gomez is God damn gorgeous but vocally....leaves a lot to be desired Looks and vocals don't correlate, while yes she looked lovely Her performance of Shameless was very rough Ya needa stop this Camila is a much better singer than Selena. Camila is not a diva like Mariah or Celine, shes a popstar. Shes good at what she does. What the hell does that have to do with anything? No one said a thing about her personality so you coming for Mariah and Celine is completely unwarranted and unnecessary.
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 21, 2019 11:43:46 GMT -5
Camila is a much better singer than Selena. Camila is not a diva like Mariah or Celine, shes a popstar. Shes good at what she does. What the hell does that have to do with anything? No one said a thing about her personality so you coming for Mariah and Celine is completely unwarranted and unnecessary. All I said was Camila is not a diva. She might not have the best voice but shes in the top 5 for female pop singers of 2019.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Sept 21, 2019 11:54:39 GMT -5
What the hell does that have to do with anything? No one said a thing about her personality so you coming for Mariah and Celine is completely unwarranted and unnecessary. All I said was Camila is not a diva. She might not have the best voice but shes in the top 5 for female pop singers of 2019. Still, what does that have to do with ANYTHING? There was absolutely no connection, nothing for you to even have a reason to bring up and compare diva antics. Mariah and Celine are legends, and it’s weird you’re trying to come for their diva antics to defend Camila.
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 21, 2019 12:00:21 GMT -5
All I said was Camila is not a diva. She might not have the best voice but shes in the top 5 for female pop singers of 2019. Still, what does that have to do with ANYTHING? There was absolutely no connection, nothing for you to even have a reason to bring up and compare diva antics. Mariah and Celine are legends, and it’s weird you’re trying to come for their diva antics to defend Camila. I was saying that Camila is a good pop singer but not in the same class as Mariah or Celine. What's your problem? I didnt say anything bad about Mariah! Im actually complimenting Mariah!
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Sept 21, 2019 12:03:37 GMT -5
I have to say, if Mariah, Celine, Kelly, etc were the standards for acceptable vocals we would have only a handful of acceptable singers. I don’t accept that notion. That can’t be the bar because no one would reach it. I love all of the mentioned singers, but I also love vocals that are very unique in tone and not considered traditionally “great.” Camila fits into that category. Certainly Britney does as well.
I really think it just all comes down to personal preference. I typically can’t stand Christina’s voice as I think it sounds shouty, strained, and mostly hurts my ears in a lot of instances. But, she’s considered a top-notch vocalist. On the flip side, I almost always enjoy vocals from Selena, Camila, Britney, Taylor - your not so traditional vocalists.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Sept 21, 2019 12:05:01 GMT -5
Still, what does that have to do with ANYTHING? There was absolutely no connection, nothing for you to even have a reason to bring up and compare diva antics. Mariah and Celine are legends, and it’s weird you’re trying to come for their diva antics to defend Camila. I was saying that Camila is a good pop singer but not in the same class as Mariah or Celine. What's your problem? I didnt say anything bad about Mariah! Im actually complimenting Mariah! The thing is, the way you said and how you randomly brought it up into conversation made it come off as you were trying to drag Mariah & Celine for their diva antics.
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Post by Maximillian on Sept 21, 2019 12:12:31 GMT -5
Camila isn’t the best singer in the world, but I love her tone and personality. That’s one of the reasons she is in my “top pop star” list. Plus, I love how versatile her voice is (she can lean into so many genres).
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Post by tinawina on Sept 21, 2019 12:21:24 GMT -5
I have to say, if Mariah, Celine, Kelly, etc were the standards for acceptable vocals we would have only a handful of acceptable singers. I don’t accept that notion. That can’t be the bar because no one would reach it. I love all of the mentioned singers, but I also love vocals that are very unique in tone and not considered traditionally “great.” Camila fits into that category. Certainly Britney does as well. I really think it just all comes down to personal preference. I typically can’t stand Christina’s voice as I think it sounds shouty, strained, and mostly hurts my ears in a lot of instances. But, she’s considered a top-notch vocalist. On the flip side, I almost always enjoy vocals from Selena, Camila, Britney, Taylor - your not so traditional vocalists. To be fair plenty of people could reach it, before the age of music videos *most* female pop stars had good voices with pleasing tones. The exception was maybe rock singers but they were still good singers. The squeaky voiced “unique tone” phenomenon wasn’t as big until videos became a thing and on screen charisma/looks became necessary. From Madonna on it’s been a whole new world lol. That said I agree Camila is very much in that tradition and does a good job with that she has. I think she’s good on technique but her tone is just take it or leave it. I do think her fan base is a bit delusional when they go on and on about her being a “great singer” though.
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 21, 2019 12:36:00 GMT -5
I have to say, if Mariah, Celine, Kelly, etc were the standards for acceptable vocals we would have only a handful of acceptable singers. I don’t accept that notion. That can’t be the bar because no one would reach it. I love all of the mentioned singers, but I also love vocals that are very unique in tone and not considered traditionally “great.” Camila fits into that category. Certainly Britney does as well. I really think it just all comes down to personal preference. I typically can’t stand Christina’s voice as I think it sounds shouty, strained, and mostly hurts my ears in a lot of instances. But, she’s considered a top-notch vocalist. On the flip side, I almost always enjoy vocals from Selena, Camila, Britney, Taylor - your not so traditional vocalists. To be fair plenty of people could reach it, before the age of music videos *most* female pop stars had good voices with pleasing tones. The exception was maybe rock singers but they were still good singers. The squeaky voiced “unique tone” phenomenon wasn’t as big until videos became a thing and on screen charisma/looks became necessary. From Madonna on it’s been a whole new world lol. That said I agree Camila is very much in that tradition and does a good job with that she has. I think she’s good on technique but her tone is just take it or leave it. I do think her fan base is a bit delusional when they go on and on about her being a “great singer” though. She was the lead singer of 5H, so she must have done something right.
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Post by tinawina on Sept 21, 2019 12:43:47 GMT -5
She was the lead singer of 5H, so she must have done something right. Did I say she did something wrong? Or are you trying to agree with me? I’m confused.
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 21, 2019 12:49:43 GMT -5
She was the lead singer of 5H, so she must have done something right. Did I say she did something wrong? Or are you trying to agree with me? I’m confused. Shes a much better singer than you think. Try performing on stage in front of thousands of people, it's not easy.At least the people cheer for her and clap for her.
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Post by Mayman on Sept 21, 2019 12:50:39 GMT -5
Did I say she did something wrong? Or are you trying to agree with me? I’m confused. Shes a much better singer than you think. Try performing on stage in front of thousands of people, it's not easy.At least the people cheer for her and clap for her. Yes, I would hope people who pay a lot of money to see her would cheer and clap for her.
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Post by tinawina on Sept 21, 2019 14:49:05 GMT -5
Did I say she did something wrong? Or are you trying to agree with me? I’m confused. Shes a much better singer than you think. Try performing on stage in front of thousands of people, it's not easy.At least the people cheer for her and clap for her. That’s not really a measure of who can sing. They cheer and clap for Britney too. Now I’d cheer clap and sing at a Britney concert myself. Or Madonna. I love a lot of their songs and bop along when I hear them. And I think Selena Gomez has a really pretty tone recorded. But those chicks aren’t good singers. Entertaining? Charming? Makers of classic bops? Popular? Passionate fan bases? All the yeps. Great singers? Well.... but it doesn’t matter. Just like it doesn’t for Camila.
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 21, 2019 14:51:36 GMT -5
If I performed on stage, I would get booed off the stage, because I cant sing or dance.
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Post by tinawina on Sept 21, 2019 14:55:33 GMT -5
If I performed on stage, I would get booed off the stage, because I cant sing or dance. Okay. But some people can pull it off. You’re not one of them. lol Really it’s okay if some people don’t like Camila’s tone. The world won’t end. She’s fine. I know it’s hard to be a Camila Stan around these parts but you need to chill IMO.
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Post by Okay on Sept 21, 2019 15:01:01 GMT -5
Camila doesnt have the worst voice out of the popstars, but I think hers is probably the least suited for the genre. She doesnt sound awful but her vocals were super out of place in Work From Home as well against the other 4.
She did sound alright in Havana and Sangria Wine though, so maybe she should just keep working with Pharrell.
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Post by Au$tin on Sept 21, 2019 15:47:48 GMT -5
The people that blindly stan always do the most whenever an ounce of criticism is thrown at their faves and it's so incredibly toxic. No one needs a yes man, they need criticism. But to a blind stan, any sort of criticism is seen as hate and just can't accept that their perfect little darling isn't actually perfect. No one is.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Sept 21, 2019 18:12:46 GMT -5
I have to say, if Mariah, Celine, Kelly, etc were the standards for acceptable vocals we would have only a handful of acceptable singers. I don’t accept that notion. That can’t be the bar because no one would reach it. I love all of the mentioned singers, but I also love vocals that are very unique in tone and not considered traditionally “great.” Camila fits into that category. Certainly Britney does as well. I really think it just all comes down to personal preference. I typically can’t stand Christina’s voice as I think it sounds shouty, strained, and mostly hurts my ears in a lot of instances. But, she’s considered a top-notch vocalist. On the flip side, I almost always enjoy vocals from Selena, Camila, Britney, Taylor - your not so traditional vocalists. To be fair plenty of people could reach it, before the age of music videos *most* female pop stars had good voices with pleasing tones. The exception was maybe rock singers but they were still good singers. The squeaky voiced “unique tone” phenomenon wasn’t as big until videos became a thing and on screen charisma/looks became necessary. From Madonna on it’s been a whole new world lol. That said I agree Camila is very much in that tradition and does a good job with that she has. I think she’s good on technique but her tone is just take it or leave it. I do think her fan base is a bit delusional when they go on and on about her being a “great singer” though. “Plenty of people could reach it.” That’s not fair or true. Don’t make me start posting Kelly Clarkson YouTube links in the Camila Cabello thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 19:28:34 GMT -5
Bro I love how all this all started just off a slight criticism of her performance Like bitch, I love the song and I know Camilla has talent I just wasn't a fan of her performance of the one song last night. Don't get it twisted, now leonagwen stop this nonsense. Were just stating our thoughts and opinions, it ain't no god damn assault.
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Post by tinawina on Sept 21, 2019 20:30:58 GMT -5
To be fair plenty of people could reach it, before the age of music videos *most* female pop stars had good voices with pleasing tones. The exception was maybe rock singers but they were still good singers. The squeaky voiced “unique tone” phenomenon wasn’t as big until videos became a thing and on screen charisma/looks became necessary. From Madonna on it’s been a whole new world lol. That said I agree Camila is very much in that tradition and does a good job with that she has. I think she’s good on technique but her tone is just take it or leave it. I do think her fan base is a bit delusional when they go on and on about her being a “great singer” though. “Plenty of people could reach it.” That’s not fair or true. Don’t make me start posting Kelly Clarkson YouTube links in the Camila Cabello thread. LOL. You know I’m not trying to say plenty of people could sing like Queen Kelly, let’s not get extra now. But they COULD sing better than Camilla. Her squeaky voice would have been way below the norm. It works today, no so much back in the day. But she’s not the only one. Times change.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 22, 2019 5:33:17 GMT -5
Still waiting for them to cut the cord on this...
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 22, 2019 5:52:05 GMT -5
I get the feeling this is supposed to be the Castle On The Hill in the duo, but I don't really see this coming back or even sticking around once Liar takes off. I'd love to be proven wrong but Liar seems like the smash they need anyway so this not doing well is acceptable.
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 22, 2019 6:39:23 GMT -5
I dont care what anyone says but I'm still rooting for this song.
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Post by Choco on Sept 22, 2019 10:20:16 GMT -5
I dont care what anyone says but I'm still rooting for this song. Yeah we know. You post the same thing everyday 😬 Predicted to drop to the 90s on the Hot 100. "Liar" is expected to go up a couple spots.
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 22, 2019 10:35:55 GMT -5
I dont care what anyone says but I'm still rooting for this song. Yeah we know. You post the same thing everyday 😬 Predicted to drop to the 90s on the Hot 100. "Liar" is expected to go up a couple spots. Whatever happens, happens.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Sept 22, 2019 11:50:00 GMT -5
To be fair plenty of people could reach it, before the age of music videos *most* female pop stars had good voices with pleasing tones. The exception was maybe rock singers but they were still good singers. The squeaky voiced “unique tone” phenomenon wasn’t as big until videos became a thing and on screen charisma/looks became necessary. From Madonna on it’s been a whole new world lol. That said I agree Camila is very much in that tradition and does a good job with that she has. I think she’s good on technique but her tone is just take it or leave it. I do think her fan base is a bit delusional when they go on and on about her being a “great singer” though. She was the lead singer of 5H, so she must have done something right. She was lead because she had a unique voice, which is important in pop music. And almost as importantly, she had the biggest fan base of the girls coming from X Factor. It’s not because she was some incredible vocal talent. She isn’t and wasn’t. She wasn’t the best in the group either. You’re just proving tinawina’s point that her stans press their luck in proclaiming her as a great singer. She’s not. She has facets of her voice that are good, but there’s a lot of work to be done outside of subjective elements like tone. Just stop while you’re ahead, luv.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 23, 2019 8:26:38 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 24, 2019 5:37:41 GMT -5
That's right, sacrifice yourself so that 'Liar' may live!
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 24, 2019 5:46:10 GMT -5
No!!
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Post by Choco on Sept 24, 2019 8:37:41 GMT -5
Yes 😈😈😈😈
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