Billboard Hot 100: 08/31/2019

[moonlite]

Aug 24, 2019 21:21:48 GMT -5 forg said:

Is Ransom a potential/future #1?

If radio ever fully gets on board then yea.

[85la]

Another interesting chart stat that hasn't been mentioned is Talk's incredibly long run atop Radio Songs, which at 10 weeks so far is incredibly rare for a non-Hot 100 #1.

In fact I did some quick research, and excluding pre-1998 airplay only songs, it looks like there have only been two other songs that have topped Radio Songs/Hot 100 Airplay for 10+ weeks that weren't Hot 100 #1's: High Hopes just earlier this year (#1 on radio for 14 weeks, #4 Hot 100 peak), and Donna Lewis's I love You Always Forever back in 1996 (#1 on airplay for 13 weeks, #2 Hot 100 peak).

Can anybody think of any others?

[Crimsonio]

Aug 24, 2019 21:53:15 GMT -5 85la said:

Aug 23, 2019 19:38:17 GMT -5 Crimsonio said:

I saw something confirming that Lover is the 3rd single, good choice tbh for the fall!

Where did you see this?

It's in the single thread for it. 

[Choco]

Aug 24, 2019 22:28:58 GMT -5 85la said:

Another interesting chart stat that hasn't been mentioned is Talk's incredibly long run atop Radio Songs, which at 10 weeks so far is incredibly rare for a non-Hot 100 #1.

In fact I did some quick research, and excluding pre-1998 airplay only songs, it looks like there have only been two other songs that have topped Radio Songs/Hot 100 Airplay for 10+ weeks that weren't Hot 100 #1's: High Hopes just earlier this year (#1 on radio for 14 weeks, #4 Hot 100 peak), and Donna Lewis's I love You Always Forever back in 1996 (#1 on airplay for 13 weeks, #2 Hot 100 peak).

Can anybody think of any others?

"Iris", "Don't Speak" and "Torn" due to rules not allowing them on the big chart. 18, 16 and 11 weeks respectively.

Went as far back as 2000, and there have been a few close calls: "The Middle" by Zedd and Co. spent 9 weeks at #1. "Don't Wanna Know" by Maroon 5 also got 8. Mary J. Blige spent 9 weeks at #1 with "Be Without You" on the airplay chart but only got up to #3 on the Hot 100.

At least "Talk" got close at #3. DWK and "The Middle" didn't even crack top 3.

[iHype.]

So many of the R&B smashes of the 90s ala The Boy Is Mine, ...You Make Me Wanna, Too Close, etc would've topped Hot 100 Airplay though and limited those huge runs at #1 other songs got if they including Urban + Urban AC airplay.

I'll make a thread on what the airplay #1's would've been each week, theoretically, if they included the Urban/Urban AC/Country/Rock/etc formats.

[iHype.]

Adding to that, I believe "You Make Me Wanna..." is the song that would've had the biggest difference in chart run on Hot 100 Airplay if all formats were included. 

The song could've spent 10+ weeks at #1 on Airplay. It instead peaked at #4.


At its peak it pulled multiple weeks with 50+ million audience from Urban/Urban AC alone (none counted towards Hot 100 Airplay). The #1 on Hot 100 Airplay during its run ranged from only 70-100 million audience weekly (Top 40/HAC/AC/Rhythmic/Modern Rock were the formats that counted). Meaning it could've went #1 in weeks where it had as low as 20-25 million audience on the Hot 100 Airplay chart (which would rank as low as #30~) if it had Urban/Urban AC play added. 

For example, the Hot 100 dated October 18, 1997...

Hot 100 Airplay:
#1 - Fly (85 million audience)
#13 - You Make Me Wanna... (42 million audience)

R&B Airplay:
#1 - You Make Me Wanna... (52.3 million audience)

42 + 52.3 = 94.3 million audience 

[monkeydluffy]

Aug 24, 2019 22:30:20 GMT -5 @benson said:

Retro Hot 100 - 21 years ago

This chart is instantly noteworthy for having only one debut and relatively few bullets awarded (26). Overall weekly single sales were down nearly 13% from the previous week, and down over 23% from the same week a year prior. The singles market was getting so dire, most of the bullets on this week’s chart weren’t even actual gains, rather, the songs that lost the least amount of points. A big ol’ rule change was imminent, and just 3 months later airplay-only tracks were eligible to chart.

SPOILER: Click to show

Brandy and Monica’s “The Boy Is Mine”:

• spent the entire summer--13 consecutive weeks--on top.
  
• gave them each their first #1, and most successful hit to date. Brandy has 2 #1s and Monica has 3, and all of their weeks at #1 happened within the same 9-month time frame. Monica has a cumulative 22 weeks on top and Brandy has 15.
• was the beneficiary of the chart rules at the time, which left several massive radio hits unable to chart, dulling the competition for #1. “Iris” by the Goo Goo Dolls was shacked up at #1 on the Airplay chart with a hefty lead, but no commercial single, as just one example.
• is the first solo female duet to hit #1 since “Enough is Enough” by Barbra Streisand and Donna Summer nearly 20 years prior in 1979.
• is still the 3rd most successful duet of all-time (“two singers sharing equal vocal duties on the track” per Billboard), behind “Endless Love” by Diana Ross & Lionel Richie and “Say Say Say” by Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson. Rounding out the top 5 are “Ebony and Ivory” by Paul McCartney & Stevie Wonder and “Dilemma” by Nelly featuring Kelly Rowland.
• was the best-selling single of the year.
• stayed in the top 10 for 18 weeks, and was the 2nd best performing hit of the 1998 chart year, behind “Too Close” by Next.
• blocked Shania Twain’s “You’re Still the One” (8 weeks at #2) and Usher’s “My Way” (3 weeks) from #1 during its reign.
• may have only survived its 13th week on top because Aerosmith's retail release was delayed by a week.
  
  

There's probably a lot more, but let’s move on to the rest of the chart...

As mentioned, Usher just missed scoring his 2nd #1 ever, and in a row, but has to settle for #2. Wasn't a huge radio hit for Usher, but a big hit, nonetheless. Went platinum+ and wound up top 20 of the year and top 100 of the decade. The album of the same name was already certified 4x platinum in less than a year of release, and reach 6 million within 2 years. It hasn’t been re-certified in almost 20 years now

Monica joined herself inside the top 3, which was no small feat. Puff Daddy was the last to do it the year prior. Donna Summer also did it in 1979, with “Hot Stuff” and “Bad Girls.” “The First Night”--which samples Diana Ross’s “Love Hangover”-- went on to spend 5 non-consecutive weeks at #1, was a huge multi-format radio hit, and wound up at #26 on the 90s decade-end chart.

One hit wonder Jennifer Paige “Crush” peaked inside the top 5 at #3. Big mainstream pop radio hit, and top 30 at a few other formats. This is one of those one hit wonders that radio has been kind to, at least in my area.

Girl group All Saints’ only top 5/10 hit “Never Ever", and their 2nd of 2 entries, after “I Know Where It’s At” which reached #36. Top 3 at Pop and Year-end top 50. All Saints were one of the most successful 90s girl groups in the UK, with five #1s, and continued to do well through 2006.

Tatyana Ali was another one hit wonder, entering the top 10 with “Daydreamin.’” It’ll peak at #6, earn a top 60 Year-end position, and get certified gold. Will Smith was on her follow up track and produced her 3rd single, but obviously neither went anywhere beyond some initial spins at urban-leaning stations.

Too Close “Next” is a good one to chat about, but I’ll leave that for a more meaningful week. Notably, this was their 22nd consecutive--and final--week in the top 10. This week, their follow-up, “I Still Love You,” became a top 20 hit, and then peaked at #14. They did rebound with their next single “Wifey” which went top 10. Probably thought of as a one-hit wonder to many people out there, which is understandable, if technically inaccurate.

Ace of Base’s cover of Bananarama’s “Cruel Summer" spent its 2nd of 2 weeks in the top 10. This is notable because their last top 10 hit was back in 1994 with “Don’t Turn Around” (#4), and the album in between failed to produce a top 10 hit. At the time, “Cruel Summer” was an unexpected “comeback" hit for them. Certified gold, top 20 Pop, top 30 Rhythmic, #10 Dance, Year-end #66. The follow-up single was their last Hot 100 entry, and peaked at #76.

INOJ’s second chart entry, a cover of Cyndi Lauper’s “Time After Time” is #14 after only 2 weeks. It peaked in the top 10, turned gold, and is immortalized at #64 on the Billboard Hot 100 of 1998. Legendary. Her prior hit, a cover of Ready for the World’s “Love You Down”, also popped out, but missed the top 20. Her third single, you guessed it, a cover, of “Ring My Bell” originally recorded by Anita Ward in 1979, got minimal spins at radio and then INOJ and the Hot 100 parted ways for good.

Faith Hill's first big push to Pop radio was, um, clearly working. “This Kiss” moved upward inside the top 20 in its 24th week on the chart, and didn't stop until it hit #7 and went platinum. #1 Country, #3 AC, Top 15 Pop & Hot AC, and in the top 25 of the year. A radio rag doll, y’all. However, all of this paled in comparison to her next lead single’s epic slayage. That... is for another time.

Savage Garden’s 90s pop gem and 2nd entry, “To the Moon and Back,” peaked at #24 as an airplay-only release.

Tamia was 3 for 3 with “So Into You” cracking the top 40, but it peaked at #30. To date, she has 6 top 40 hits to her credit, including as a feature on Fabolous’s song which heavily samples this song which she co-wrote and already charted with. AND he recorded another version with Ashanti, the more bankable artist of the moment.

I spy Leann Rimes “How Do I Live” casually moved up to #40 in what was, oh, you know, its 63rd week on the chart. It still had another 6 weeks to go. No big.

Janet Jackson (or just Janet for her current era’s releases) looked like she was soon headed for the recurrent chart with former #1 smash “Together Again." But the song ended up spending 3 months between #41 and #50 before being removed just 6 weeks shy of a year-long residency. Compare all that with her other current entry, the more urban “I Get Lonely,” which peaked on arrival at #3, but is already below “Together Again” in its 15th week. It lacked the Pop support “Together Again” had in spades, just missing the top 30 there, but was a #1 R&B smasher and top 5 at Rhythmic.

Monifah’s “Touch It” moved up 11 to #48 and a 90s classic was born. It’ll hit the top 10, #1 Rhythmic, top 15 Pop, and Top 80 of the year. Yeahhhh Jack Knight and Dakoda House, all we wanna do is make you bounce.

Mya’s 3nd chart made a big move upward as the Greatest Gainer/Airplay, and eventually made it to #34. One of her 8 top 40 hits, including “Ghetto Supastar” with Pras Michel and ODB at #20 this week, as featured in the Warren Beatty political satire, Bulworth. #2 Rhythmic, top 20 Rap, top 10 R&B, and #21 Pop.

Tyrese’s first of 11 chart entries, “Nobody Else,” made a big +12 move as the Sales Gainer, and then peaked a few weeks later. His first of 5 top 40 hits, just missed the top 10 on the R&B chart, and wasn’t a big radio hit. His next single was, tho.

Stars On 54 were the only debut with their cover of Gordon Lightfoot’s top 5 1970 hit, “If You Could Read My Mind,” from the soundtrack to the disco-era movie “54.” Notable because it’s a trio of established chart acts, in the vein of Bryan Adams/Rod Stewart/Sting’s huge #1, “All For Love.” Ultra Naté, Amber and Jocelyn Enriquez all had at least one entry prior, with Amber being he most successful on the chart. This song peaked at #52 mostly on sales alone, as it failed to get much radio support, but made the top 3 of the Dance Club Play chart. This wasn’t supposed to be the only debut this week, but another, particularly major song's retail release was delayed until next week.

4 the Cause (a German-based Pop/R&B group) moved within one position of their #82 peak, with their hip-hop-lite cover of Ben E. King’s “Stand By Me” that was a huge smash in many other countries, in Europe especially, but failed to catch on in the US.

DMX’s 2nd of 16 chart entries, “Stop Being Greedy,” moved up closer to its #79 peak. A top 10 Rap song, it samples ”My Hero Is a Gun” from Diana Ross’s 70s film, Mahogany.

Speaking of Diana Ross… she may or may not be the highlight of next week’s retro chart.

I feel like the most impressive part of this chart is the fact there is only one debut on it

[kierz7]

Aug 24, 2019 23:46:29 GMT -5 iHype. said:

So many of the R&B smashes of the 90s ala The Boy Is Mine, ...You Make Me Wanna, Too Close, etc would've topped Hot 100 Airplay though and limited those huge runs at #1 other songs got if they including Urban + Urban AC airplay.

I'll make a thread on what the airplay #1's would've been each week, theoretically, if they included the Urban/Urban AC/Country/Rock/etc formats.

The question is:

If R&B/Adult R&B radio was included in the Hot 100 Airplay panel, would "You Make Me Wanna" still have garnered enough points to overcome John's "Candle In The Wind" at any moment during its run and peak at #1 or would it still have settled for a #2 peak?

During "Candle In The Wind's" 8th-10th week at number one, the song was selling ~350K units and drawing in ~25M AI, whereas "You Make Me Wanna" was selling +110K units and drawing in ~43M AI (on the Hot 100 Airplay, it was switching back and forth between positions #5-#6). It was still #2 on the R&B airplay panel however with 42M AI behind Erykah Badu's "Tyrone". 

Were "...Wind's" points still a little to be surpassed on the Hot 100?

[Golden Bluebird]

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

I don't see bad guy at #1, Senorita is bigger on streaming and radio, and they are close on sales.

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 60, 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:

August 24, 1959 (For the week ending August 29)

01 07 The Three Bells - The Browns (1st of 4 weeks at #1)
02 22 Sea Of Love - Phil Phillips
03 04 Lavender Blue - Sammy Turner
04 01 A Big Hunk O' Love - Elvis Presley
05 03 My Heart Is An Open Book - Carl Dobkins Jr.
06 06 What'd I Say - Ray Charles
07 02 There Goes My Baby - The Drifters
08 33 Sleep Walk - Santo & Johnny
09 08 What a Difference a Day Makes - Dinah Washington
10 24 I Want To Walk You Home - Fats Domino

11 35 I'm Gonna Get Married - Lloyd Price


August 29, 1964

01 01 Where Did Our Love Go - The Supremes (2nd and final week at #1)
02 05 House Of The Rising Sun - The Animals
03 02 Everybody Loves Somebody - Dean Martin
04 03 A Hard Day's Night - The Beatles
05 06 C'Mon & Swim - Bobby Freeman
06 04 Under The Boardwalk - The Drifters
07 07 Because - The Dave Clark Five
08 08 Walk Don't Run '64 - The Ventures
09 23 Bread & Butter - The Newbeats
10 10 How Do You Do It - Gerry & The Pacemakers


August 30, 1969

01 01 Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones (2nd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 02 A Boy Named Sue - Johnny Cash
03 14 Sugar, Sugar - The Archies
04 06 Put a Little Love In Your Heart - Jackie DeShannon
05 04 Sweet Caroline - Neil Diamond
06 09 Get Together - The Youngbloods
07 07 Green River - Creedence Clearwater Revival
08 05 In The Year 2525 - Zager & Evans
09 12 Lay Lady Lay - Bob Dylan
10 03 Crystal Blue Persuasion - Tommy James & The Shondells


August 31, 1974

01 01 (You're) Having My Baby - Paul Anka (w/Odia Coates) (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 05 I Shot The Sheriff - Eric Clapton
03 03 Tell Me Something Good - Rufus
04 02 The Night Chicago Died - Paper Lace
05 04 Feel Like Makin' Love - Roberta Flack
06 08 I'm Leaving It All Up To You - Donny & Marie Osmond
07 07 Wildwood Weed - Jim Stafford
08 09 Rock Me Gently - Andy Kim
09 15 Can't Get Enough Of Your Love, Babe - Barry White
10 12 You And Me Against The World - Helen Reddy


September 1, 1979

01 01 My Sharona - The Knack (2nd of 6 weeks at #1)
02 02 Good Times - Chic
03 03 The Main Event / Fight - Barbra Streisand
04 04 After The Love Has Gone - Earth, Wind & Fire
05 06 Don't Bring Me Down - Electric Light Orchestra
06 07 The Devil Went Down To Georgia - The Charlie Daniels Band
07 08 Lead Me On - Maxine Nightingale
08 10 Sad Eyes - Robert John
09 09 Mama Can't Buy You Love - Elton John
10 14 I'll Never Love This Way Again - Dionne Warwick

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:

September 1, 1984

01 02 What's Love Got To Do With It - Tina Turner (1st of 3 weeks at #1)
02 05 Missing You - John Waite
03 03 Stuck On You - Lionel Richie
04 01 Ghostbusters - Ray Parker Jr.
05 04 When Doves Cry - Prince
06 09 She Bop - Cyndi Lauper
07 08 Sunglasses At Night - Corey Hart
08 16 Let's Go Crazy - Prince & The Revolution
09 11 If This Is It - Huey Lewis & The News
10 10 If Ever You're In My Arms Again - Peabo Bryson


September 2, 1989

01 02 Cold Hearted - Paula Abdul (1st and only week at #1)
02 01 Right Here Waiting - Richard Marx
03 03 Hangin' Tough - New Kids On The Block
04 04 Don't Wanna Lose You - Gloria Estefan
05 10 Angel Eyes - The Jeff Healey Band
06 15 Heaven - Warrant
07 06 Secret Rendezvous - Karyn White
08 12 Shower Me With Your Love - Surface
09 08 The End Of The Innocence - Don Henley
10 09 Friends - Jody Watley w/Eric B. & Rakim


September 3, 1994

01 01 I'll Make Love To You - Boyz II Men (2nd of 14 weeks at #1)
02 02 Stay (I Missed You) - Lisa Loeb & Nine Stories
03 04 Wild Night - John Mellencamp w/Me'Shell NdegeOcello
04 03 Fantastic Voyage - Coolio
05 06 Can You Feel The Love Tonight - Elton John
06 05 I Swear - All-4-One
07 10 Stroke You Up - Changing Faces
08 09 When Can I See You - Babyface
09 08 Funkdafied - Da Brat
10 07 Don't Turn Around - Ace Of Base

19 39 All I Wanna Do - Sheryl Crow


August 28, 1999

01 01 Genie In a Bottle - Christina Aguilera (5th and final week at #1)
02 11 Bailamos - Enrique Iglesias
03 04 Summer Girls - LFO
04 02 Bills, Bills, Bills - Destiny's Child
05 05 All Star - Smash Mouth
06 07 Where My Girls At? - 702
07 08 If You Had My Love - Jennifer Lopez
08 03 Tell Me It's Real - K-Ci & JoJo
09 06 I Want It That Way - The Backstreet Boys
10 09 Last Kiss - Pearl Jam

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 Flashback:

August 28, 2004

01 01 Lean Back - Terror Squad (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 03 Sunshine - Lil Flip
03 06 Goodies - Ciara feat. Petey deleted
04 02 Slow Motion - Juvenile feat. Soulja Slim
05 04 Turn Me On - Kevin Lyttle
06 05 Dip It Low - Christina Milian
07 09 My Place - Nelly (feat. Jaheim)
08 07 Confessions Part II - Usher
09 13 Pieces Of Me - Ashlee Simpson
10 08 Move Ya Body - Nina Sky feat. Jabba


August 29, 2009

01 01 I Gotta Feeling - The Black Eyed Peas (8th of 14 weeks at #1)
02 NE Party In The U.S.A. - Miley Cyrus
03 66 Run This Town - Jay-Z, Rihanna & Kanye West
04 02 You Belong With Me - Taylor Swift
05 05 Use Somebody - Kings Of Leon
06 03 Best I Ever Had - Drake
07 06 Down - Jay Sean feat. Lil Wayne
08 04 Knock You Down - Keri Hilson feat. Kanye West & Ne-Yo
09 07 Good Girls Go Bad - Cobra Starship feat. Leighton Meester
10 09 Hotel Room Service - Pitbull

20 NE Send It On - Disney's Friends For Change


August 30, 2014

01 01 Rude - MAGIC! (6th and final week at #1)
02 04 All About That Bass - Meghan Trainor
03 02 Stay With Me - Sam Smith
04 18 Break Free - Ariana Grande feat. Zedd
05 03 Fancy - Iggy Azalea feat. Charli XCX
06 05 Am I Wrong - Nico & Vinz
07 06 Problem - Ariana Grande feat. Iggy Azalea
08 15 Black Widow - Iggy Azalea feat. Rita Ora
09 08 Chandelier - Sia
10 09 Bang Bang - Jessie J, Ariana Grande & Nicki Minaj


September 1, 2018

01 01 In My Feelings - Drake (7th of 10 weeks at #1)
02 02 Girls Like You - Maroon 5 feat. Cardi B
03 03 I Like It - Cardi B, Bad Bunny & J Balvin
04 04 FEFE - 6ix9ine feat. Nicki Minaj & Murda Beatz
05 05 Better Now - Post Malone
06 06 Lucid Dreams - Juice WRLD
07 12 No Tears Left To Cry - Ariana Grande
08 30 God Is a Woman - Ariana Grande
09 07 Sicko Mode - Travis Scott
10 08 Taste - Tyga feat. Offset

22 NE Breathin' - Ariana Grande

[fernando4]

Aug 25, 2019 11:29:42 GMT -5 Soulsista said:

Billboard Top 10 Flashback:

August 29, 2009

01 01 I Gotta Feeling - The Black Eyed Peas (8th of 14 weeks at #1)
02 NE Party In The U.S.A. - Miley Cyrus
03 66 Run This Town - Jay-Z, Rihanna & Kanye West
04 02 You Belong With Me - Taylor Swift
05 05 Use Somebody - Kings Of Leon
06 03 Best I Ever Had - Drake
07 06 Down - Jay Sean feat. Lil Wayne
08 04 Knock You Down - Keri Hilson feat. Kanye West & Ne-Yo
09 07 Good Girls Go Bad - Cobra Starship feat. Leighton Meester
10 09 Hotel Room Service - Pitbull

20 NE Send It On - Disney's Friends For Change

Such an iconic time!!! 

[iHype.]

Aug 25, 2019 6:09:50 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Aug 24, 2019 23:46:29 GMT -5 iHype. said:

So many of the R&B smashes of the 90s ala The Boy Is Mine, ...You Make Me Wanna, Too Close, etc would've topped Hot 100 Airplay though and limited those huge runs at #1 other songs got if they including Urban + Urban AC airplay.

I'll make a thread on what the airplay #1's would've been each week, theoretically, if they included the Urban/Urban AC/Country/Rock/etc formats.

The question is:

If R&B/Adult R&B radio was included in the Hot 100 Airplay panel, would "You Make Me Wanna" still have garnered enough points to overcome John's "Candle In The Wind" at any moment during its run and peak at #1 or would it still have settled for a #2 peak?

During "Candle In The Wind's" 8th-10th week at number one, the song was selling ~350K units and drawing in ~25M AI, whereas "You Make Me Wanna" was selling +110K units and drawing in ~43M AI (on the Hot 100 Airplay, it was switching back and forth between positions #5-#6). It was still #2 on the R&B airplay panel however with 42M AI behind Erykah Badu's "Tyrone". 

Were "...Wind's" points still a little to be surpassed on the Hot 100?

It could've very well dethroned Candle's 7th week #1 if R&B Airplay was included.

Hot 100 dated December 13, 1997:
#1 - Candle In The Wind [186K sales = 18,600 points] + [30 million audience = 3,000 points] = 21,600 points
#2 - You Make Me Wanna... [118K sales = 11,800 points] + [55 million audience = 5,500 points] = 17,300 points

That's a difference of 4,300 points but Billboard actually revealed that week with exact numbers, the difference was 4,174 points.


4,174 points translates to 41.74 million audience impressions. Usher was #1 on R&B Airplay that week, and had around 45 million~ audience impressions. Erykah Badu's "Tyrone" dethroned him the following week with at 46.2 million audience impressions. 

[HolidayGuy]

There would be many hypotheticals about what would have/could have been No. 1 if such-and-such was included at a particular time. But, still fun to speculate, I guess. :)

I looked at the YouTube charts, per kworb- "Lover" didn't have enough streams to rank in the U.S. top 100 for the week that ended Thursday? Or does it not rank lyric/audio videos? Nor did the regular video have enough streams to rank in the daily top 20 for Friday's daily chart?

[tanooki]

Final Predictions 8/31/19

1. Senorita 347 (+1)
2. Truth Hurts 335 (+1)
3. bad guy 302 (-2)
4. Ransom 292 (+4)
5. Old Town Road 286 (-2)
6. No Guidance 274 (=)
7. Talk 272 (-2)
8. I Don't Care 264 (-1)
9. Goodbyes 236 (=)
10. Someone You Loved 212 (+4)

[Mayman]

I would be so happy if bad guy got a second week at #1, but it doesn't look likely.

[aussie1]

I still think Señorita will be #1. Which is bigger on youtube?

[Deleted]

Aug 25, 2019 18:38:30 GMT -5 @benson said:

Aug 25, 2019 11:10:24 GMT -5 Soulsista said:

Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:

September 1, 1984

01 02 What's Love Got To Do With It - Tina Turner (1st of 3 weeks at #1)
02 05 Missing You - John Waite
03 03 Stuck On You - Lionel Richie
04 01 Ghostbusters - Ray Parker Jr.
05 04 When Doves Cry - Prince
06 09 She Bop - Cyndi Lauper
07 08 Sunglasses At Night - Corey Hart
08 16 Let's Go Crazy - Prince & The Revolution
09 11 If This Is It - Huey Lewis & The News
10 10 If Ever You're In My Arms Again - Peabo Bryson
    

This is a great top 10 of 80s classics, even if I don't love "Stuck On You" or "If This Is It."  John Waite's "Missing You" remains a soft spot for me - the intro and then his voice comes in gets me every time. Rock solid 80s pop rock.  I remember Tina covered that song in the 90s, and I love/d it. Her voice on melancholy pop songs like this is just as golden as when she would let us have it vocally. "Don't Wanna Fight" is another example of this for me, and even the less successful "When the Heartache is Over."  

I would love to hear a cover of "Missing You" by Sam Smith.

Look at Prince running things! I've always found it interesting how the Purple Rain Soundtrack and all of its singles are credited to "Prince & The Revolution," except "When Doves Cry" was credited to Prince only.  It was the first single from his first album with The Revolution, so maybe the label wanted to ease into it?  Maybe someone knows the story.

I love "Stuck On You" and Can't Slow Down. That's was an excellent era for Lionel Richie, great music and has was dominating the charts along with Michael Jackson & Prince. I agree about that top 10, that top 10 is sublime, just like the rest of 84 and 83 was as well. Love those two years (83 & 84) like crazy.

[Gary]

And Lionel Richie debuts this week at #2 on the album chart with live versions of some of those songs

[85la]

Aug 24, 2019 23:42:26 GMT -5 Choco said:

Aug 24, 2019 22:28:58 GMT -5 85la said:

Another interesting chart stat that hasn't been mentioned is Talk's incredibly long run atop Radio Songs, which at 10 weeks so far is incredibly rare for a non-Hot 100 #1.

In fact I did some quick research, and excluding pre-1998 airplay only songs, it looks like there have only been two other songs that have topped Radio Songs/Hot 100 Airplay for 10+ weeks that weren't Hot 100 #1's: High Hopes just earlier this year (#1 on radio for 14 weeks, #4 Hot 100 peak), and Donna Lewis's I love You Always Forever back in 1996 (#1 on airplay for 13 weeks, #2 Hot 100 peak).

Can anybody think of any others?

"Iris", "Don't Speak" and "Torn" due to rules not allowing them on the big chart. 18, 16 and 11 weeks respectively.

Went as far back as 2000, and there have been a few close calls: "The Middle" by Zedd and Co. spent 9 weeks at #1. "Don't Wanna Know" by Maroon 5 also got 8. Mary J. Blige spent 9 weeks at #1 with "Be Without You" on the airplay chart but only got up to #3 on the Hot 100.

At least "Talk" got close at #3. DWK and "The Middle" didn't even crack top 3.

yeah, i mentioned excluding songs not being able to chart because they were airplay-only, but no biggie :)

I actually think it will start happening more often with airplay taking up a smaller piece of the pie, and the metrics for each song not always being in sync with each other.

[jebsib]

It's funny, I was 14 in 1984, so that period is my absolute bedrock. I adore the 80s like no other decade, and the superstars, songs, videos, albums & culture are indelible to me and unmatched.

Having said that, I do feel that the 80s is the last decade where the songs actually sound 'dated' to today's ear. Many, many more 90s songs can 'pass' for today, but few 80s songs can still pull it off.

In the same way that the 1950s, 60s, 70s and 80s all have distinctive 'sounds' that irritated subsequent generations, I feel that the last couple of decades kind of meld together more. You get little production micro-eras (grunge, gangsta, Max Martin, EDM, Soundcloud, etc) but no unique over-powering "mini-skirt/bell-bottom/afro/big shoulder-pads" cultural overhaul since the 80s, making it the last real individual era.

[tanooki]

Wouldn't be surprised if the top 10 release gets delayed again tbh

[Deleted]

I'm rooting for bad guy to be #1 for a second week.

[badrobot]

Aug 26, 2019 7:51:39 GMT -5 jebsib said:

It's funny, I was 14 in 1984, so that period is my absolute bedrock. I adore the 80s like no other decade, and the superstars, songs, videos, albums & culture are indelible to me and unmatched.

Having said that, I do feel that the 80s is the last decade where the songs actually sound 'dated' to today's ear. Many, many more 90s songs can 'pass' for today, but few 80s songs can still pull it off.

In the same way that the 1950s, 60s, 70s and 80s all have distinctive 'sounds' that irritated subsequent generations, I feel that the last couple of decades kind of meld together more. You get little production micro-eras (grunge, gangsta, Max Martin, EDM, Soundcloud, etc) but no unique over-powering "mini-skirt/bell-bottom/afro/big shoulder-pads" cultural overhaul since the 80s, making it the last real individual era.

That's a great observation -- at a broad level that's probably true. You could release mid-90s songs from TLC or Goo Goo Dolls today and they wouldn't seem out of place.

I do think there are certain sub-genres that will end up sounding dated. The EDM boom of the late '00s/early '10s I think will make most of those songs easily identifiable as from that time period. You could probably also make that argument for boy bands from the late '90s. And I think it's feasible that trap/"mumble rap" will seem like a dated late '10s trend in a few years.

But on the whole it does seem like there are more songs that feel relatively "timeless" starting in the early/mid-90s. I wonder if that has to do with advances in music production technology that made it more accessible to more musicians?

[jenglisbe]

Aug 23, 2019 7:40:04 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

Aug 22, 2019 21:52:08 GMT -5 jeiboy said:

Pressed as a panini

Reported. Enjoy dealing with the mods!

Your habit of starting stuff and then running to the mods is tiresome.

I didn't realize Monica had such an impressive chart run with "The First Night." It's #3 on that retro chart, but Aerosmith comes in and takes #1 for the next 4 weeks. "TFN" then goes to #1 for 5 weeks total, but Barenaked Ladies get a week at #1 during that time. "TFN" must have been top 3 for at least 12 weeks?

[#LisaRinna]

Aug 26, 2019 10:22:52 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Aug 23, 2019 7:40:04 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

Reported. Enjoy dealing with the mods!

Your habit of starting stuff and then running to the mods is tiresome.

[HolidayGuy]

jeng- that also was a time when many a radio hit were not present on the chart. Not that it diminishes the showing for those singles commercially released, as they competed with what was allowed at the time, though it is worth noting.

bill, b- I LOVE "Missing You." One of my favorites of the '80s. I also enjoy Tina Turner, though didn't love her cover of the tune. And that 1984 chart is pretty great.

[Gary]

Shawn Mendes' 'Señorita' With Camila Cabello Tops Pop Songs, 'If I Can't Have You' Crowns Adult Pop Songs
8/26/2019 by Gary Trust

Mendes is the first male to top both tallies simultaneously with different songs.
Shawn Mendes becomes the first male artist to top Billboard's Pop Songs and Adult Pop Songs radio airplay charts simultaneously with different songs, as "Señorita," with Camila Cabello, rises to No. 1 on Pop Songs and his own "If I Can't Have You" ascends to the top of Adult Pop Songs.

Only one artist previously led both lists with different songs in the same week: On surveys dated Oct. 26, 2002, Avril Lavigne hit No. 1 on Pop Songs with "Sk8er Boi" for a single frame, while "Complicated" continued its eventual 16-week reign on Adult Pop Songs.

With "Señorita," Mendes adds his third Pop Songs No. 1, after "Stitches" (two weeks, 2015) and "There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back" (two, 2017). Cabello collects her fourth Pop Songs topper, following "Bad Things," with Machine Gun Kelly (two, 2017); "Havana," featuring Young Thug (seven, 2017-18); and her own "Never Be the Same" (two, 2018). (She also led as a member of Fifth Harmony, whose "Work From Home," featuring Ty Dolla $ign, spent two weeks at No. 1 in 2016.)

Meanwhile, "Can't" marks Mendes' fifth Adult Pop Songs No. 1, after "Stitches" (one week, 2016); "Treat You Better" (six, 2016); "Nothin' " (five, 2017); and "In My Blood" (one, 2018). Mendes, 21, previously made history as the only artist with four Adult Pop Songs leaders before turning 20.

In the span dating to his first week atop Adult Pop Songs (Feb. 6, 2016, with "Stitches"), Mendes' five No. 1s are the most among all artists. Since Cabello's first frame at No. 1 on Pop Songs (Feb. 18, 2017, with "Bad Things," her four leaders tie her with Ariana Grande for the most among all acts.

"Can't" is an Island/Republic Records release (Mendes' label homes), while "Señorita" is on Island/Republic and SYCO/Epic Records (Cabello's).

The Pop Songs chart measures total weekly plays, as tabulated by Nielsen Music, among its reporting panel of 168 mainstream top 40 stations, while Adult Pop Songs reflects weekly plays on 85 adult top 40 reporters.

All charts, dated Aug. 31, will update tomorrow (Aug. 27) on Billboard.com.