Typo
6x Platinum Member
Dispensable
Joined: September 2009
Posts: 6,909
|
Post by Typo on Jun 22, 2020 9:18:22 GMT -5
“That Song” is well-written (I know I shouldn’t say it, but I just wanna play it!) and has a really cool vocal. Who cares if it’s “just” about sex? Longing for someone physically is a valid subject matter.
|
|
Jaymiee
New Member
Joined: October 2019
Posts: 41
|
Post by Jaymiee on Jun 22, 2020 10:38:51 GMT -5
Im so mixed on 'That Song' part of me loves it and wishes it was released (laid my body down and got drunk on me like wine...!!!!) but on the other hand i feel like it was too repetitive towards the end and dont see how it would do well on country radio at all...
Backsliding, Ghosts, and EUWY would probably do better on radio. I feel like LW killed the momentum. CP isnt the ideal lead single but it was the only one that made sense to start this era so it needed to be done and I personally love the song so im not mad about it
|
|
desertfloods
2x Platinum Member
Joined: July 2007
Posts: 2,430
|
Post by desertfloods on Jun 22, 2020 15:28:02 GMT -5
TSTWUTMLT and Backsliding were both instant loves for me. Still love them! Both have aged so well for me.
That Song is so damn catchy, fun and I totally disagree that it is a mess. Personally I think it is well written and I love the production choices. Such a jam!!! That said, looking at how badly DA did on radio, That Song would have flopped as a single.
Also agree that Love Wins absolutely killed the momentum and general interest for this era. Southbound is just not strong enough to save it.
|
|
|
Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 22, 2020 20:52:20 GMT -5
Falls off the 6/27/20 Billboard Country Airplay chart.
|
|
taylor
Diamond Member
Pulse’s #1 Conan Stan
Best Country Poster 2023 and 2x Woman of the Year!!!
Joined: October 2019
Posts: 16,124
Pronouns: she/her
|
Post by taylor on Jun 22, 2020 20:58:17 GMT -5
Welp
I'm not surprised to hear this, it was pretty clear a couple weeks ago that it was done and over with at radio. Here's to a better era overall radio-wise.
|
|
carrieidol1
Diamond Member
Joined: August 2007
Posts: 12,569
|
Post by carrieidol1 on Jun 22, 2020 21:38:55 GMT -5
I’m not sold on the notion that DA’s call out scores are indicative that “That Song” wouldn’t have performed well. I personally think the overall sound of “That Song” far better suits what’s currently on country radio. Obviously it’s different - especially for Carrie - but the subject matter and overall tone and sound is much closer to what we hear on country radio these days than DA, imo. ALSO, while they’re both sultry, for lack of a better word, “That Song” has a rather bubbly-poppy and fun chorus & is super catchy, at that. DA is sultry throughout and very jazzy; and catchy but in a different way. “That Song” is pure country/pop with some soulful undertones... totally different songs.
I mean, if you’re going on the whole lack of females on radio & ageism + the relatively lackluster radio performance Carrie had this era, then that’s different. But based on the songs themselves, I’m not sold at all that DA’s performance or call out scores indicate what “That Song’s” would be if it were a single.
|
|
raylatch98
7x Platinum Member
Joined: April 2018
Posts: 7,708
Pronouns: He/Him/His
|
Post by raylatch98 on Jun 22, 2020 21:48:52 GMT -5
I mean this sub's polarizing thoughts on "That Song We Used To Make Love To" is probably all the indication I need to suggest that it would not have done well at country radio and callout considering how split we all are on that song.
Also one thing that is under-reported is Carrie Underwood saying this album wasn't made with radio in mind, I imagine that had to have played somewhat of a role in this era in why all of the singles sans "Southbound" did mediocre at best on country radio.
I will say glad this song ("Drinking Alone") is done and gone, because I could never get into it and it became a station changer quickly. Everything individually sounds great lyrics, vocals, production, but when all put together this song just falls apart for me. Kind of glad this era is over as I could never really get into anything released this era and I personally found this album to be her worst album to date.
Hopeful the next album sounds more like Storyteller and Blown Away and less like Cry Pretty.
|
|
musicfan134
Platinum Member
Joined: July 2012
Posts: 1,323
|
Post by musicfan134 on Jun 22, 2020 22:50:55 GMT -5
I mean this sub's polarizing thoughts on "That Song We Used To Make Love To" is probably all the indication I need to suggest that it would not have done well at country radio and callout considering how split we all are on that song. Also one thing that is under-reported is Carrie Underwood saying this album wasn't made with radio in mind, I imagine that had to have played somewhat of a role in this era in why all of the singles sans "Southbound" did mediocre at best on country radio. I will say glad this song ("Drinking Alone") is done and gone, because I could never get into it and it became a station changer quickly. Everything individually sounds great lyrics, vocals, production, but when all put together this song just falls apart for me. Kind of glad this era is over as I could never really get into anything released this era and I personally found this album to be her worst album to date. Hopeful the next album sounds more like Storyteller and Blown Away and less like Cry Pretty. Ugh, I have to disagree with you again. Cry Pretty was a much needed breath of fresh air sound-wise. Storyteller was stale.
|
|
trustypepper
5x Platinum Member
Ain't Your Mama
Hell, I love everybody.
Joined: September 2014
Posts: 5,733
|
Post by trustypepper on Jun 22, 2020 23:12:52 GMT -5
This song has always been massively overrated in my eyes, although I don’t mind it it’s probably my least favorite of any of her singles from the last 3 eras. Can’t say I’m shocked about the bad call outs and the ultimate stall but I do wish it did better just because I love Carrie so damn much.
|
|
someguy
Diamond Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 16,022
|
Post by someguy on Jun 22, 2020 23:16:04 GMT -5
I’ve always liked this a lot. The first two singles really worked against any other songs on the album being hits though. That being said, I still wouldn’t rule out a fifth single. We should know within the next two or three weeks.
|
|
.indulgecountry
Diamond Member
Best Country Poster 2011, 2017, & 2018
"You left a mark on my face // And brought a dozen red flags in a vase"
|
Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 22, 2020 23:23:10 GMT -5
I mean this sub's polarizing thoughts on "That Song We Used To Make Love To" is probably all the indication I need to suggest that it would not have done well at country radio and callout considering how split we all are on that song. Also one thing that is under-reported is Carrie Underwood saying this album wasn't made with radio in mind, I imagine that had to have played somewhat of a role in this era in why all of the singles sans "Southbound" did mediocre at best on country radio. I will say glad this song ("Drinking Alone") is done and gone, because I could never get into it and it became a station changer quickly. Everything individually sounds great lyrics, vocals, production, but when all put together this song just falls apart for me. Kind of glad this era is over as I could never really get into anything released this era and I personally found this album to be her worst album to date. Hopeful the next album sounds more like Storyteller and Blown Away and less like Cry Pretty. Ugh, I have to disagree with you again. Cry Pretty was a much needed breath of fresh air sound-wise. Storyteller was stale. Disagree completely. Storyteller is the most cohesive album she's ever given us imo. Cry Pretty tried to be way too many things and mastered very few of them, made even more disappointing by the fact that the release strategy was the exact same as Storyteller where crossover potential was not tapped.
|
|
bigd79
Gold Member
Joined: February 2019
Posts: 800
|
Post by bigd79 on Jun 23, 2020 0:10:34 GMT -5
Storyteller had a few of my all time Carrie favorites(Church Bells, DL)...even loved Smoke Break! But also had the most skips for me of any of her other albums(CCA, Relapse, Clock Don't Stop)...Cry Pretty only had one big time skip for me(TSWUTMLT) but i will also say the songs i love on Storyteller i love more than the ones i love on Cry Pretty, for the most part. So its weird, for me at least. I loved the Storyteller approach so i would welcome more of that, and even though i thought CP was pretty amazing overall, i'm not so sure i want to see her go down that road again. It seems like she's in a much happier place these days so hopefully that reflects in her next era. TBH i would love to see a combo of the Carnival Ride, Blown Away, and Storyteller sounds. I'm not sure what that would be exactly, but i just hope whatever is next after the christmas album will be something that gets her back to the top of the charts. I'm simply not ready for her to start fading away yet. And i'm afraid if the lead from CU7 isn't huge, its possible we may see it sooner than we might think.
|
|
kallie
New Member
Joined: September 2017
Posts: 182
|
Post by kallie on Jun 23, 2020 11:50:38 GMT -5
I really hope the Cry Pretty era is now over. I did not care for this album at all with the exception of "Ghosts on the Stereo". I have all of Carrie's album, and Cry Pretty is the one I never listen to after the initial month it was released. I tried to like it, but just couldn't. IMO "That Song" and "End Up With You" were two of the worst songs ever. I hope for her next studio album sounds more like Blown Away and Storyteller. Also hope Garcia is nowhere around for the next album either.
|
|
popwizard
New Member
Joined: November 2017
Posts: 211
|
Post by popwizard on Jul 19, 2020 22:35:45 GMT -5
The reason this era stalled out so much is because of the horrible choice of singles and in what order they were made in. Cry Pretty, while a great ballad, should've never been the lead single. The lead should've been Southbound imo and have Cry Pretty be a promo track. Then, scrap Love Wins all together as a single and replace it with Ghosts on the Stereo, make End Up With You the third single, and then close the era out with That Song That We Used To Make Love To. This era was full of missed opportunities for Carrie and it hasn't been an amazing start for her at her new label in terms of country radio success. I still love her though, this is just constructive criticism. I agree. Even though I personally liked the single choices, in terms of commercial success I think they were poor choices and didn't represent the album, with the exception of "Cry Pretty" being a single that I think represented the emotion of the album. "Cry Pretty" was too polarizing as a radio single - however, in terms of the live performance, that's where it shined and her ACM performance is the highlight of the album and even a career highlight. It still could've worked as a lead single if there was a much stronger follow-up. Even though I personally liked "Love Wins" and its one of my favorite singles from Carrie, and I'm glad she released it because she seems to really like, I can see how it commercially just didn't work. I can see how its a bit cheesy, or just kind of basic and generic, but I think Carrie is so genuine, sings it with such enthusiasm and its so authentic, and her. I love it. Southbound was the truly only great radio and commercial single from this album. I probably would've gone with Cry Pretty, Backsliding, Southbound and End Up With You as the singles. I think that would've made for a better and more memorable "Cry Pretty" era.
|
|
TwoDecades
New Member
Joined: April 2020
Posts: 44
Pronouns: He/Him
|
Post by TwoDecades on Jul 20, 2020 10:26:43 GMT -5
I hope she goes more into pop and tries to go more international. If a full pop album flops she can still go country or she could release the same album as both like Taylor did for Fearless and Speak Now. Make some songs more pop and release them internationally as singles. "That Song" and "Backsliding" should've been singles with some changes for a little international breakthrough.
|
|
|
Post by tim on Jul 20, 2020 10:54:25 GMT -5
I hope she goes more into pop and tries to go more international. Considering how the last era went I think this would be a huge mistake and likely hurt her career more, though. Compared to Taylor Swift, Carrie’s fan base is definitely more rooted in country music and I just don’t see her expanding that outside of what she’s already been able to accomplish. And besides, wasn’t the idea of switching labels and the Cry Pretty era itself built around the idea of trying to do just this?
|
|
TwoDecades
New Member
Joined: April 2020
Posts: 44
Pronouns: He/Him
|
Post by TwoDecades on Jul 20, 2020 12:18:39 GMT -5
I hope she goes more into pop and tries to go more international. Considering how the last era went I think this would be a huge mistake and likely hurt her career more, though. Compared to Taylor Swift, Carrie’s fan base is definitely more rooted in country music and I just don’t see her expanding that outside of what she’s already been able to accomplish. And besides, wasn’t the idea of switching labels and the Cry Pretty era itself built around the idea of trying to do just this? Yes and they did mostly nothing.
|
|
taylor
Diamond Member
Pulse’s #1 Conan Stan
Best Country Poster 2023 and 2x Woman of the Year!!!
Joined: October 2019
Posts: 16,124
Pronouns: she/her
|
Post by taylor on Jul 20, 2020 18:17:08 GMT -5
I hope she goes more into pop and tries to go more international. If a full pop album flops she can still go country or she could release the same album as both like Taylor did for Fearless and Speak Now. Make some songs more pop and release them internationally as singles. "That Song" and "Backsliding" should've been singles with some changes for a little international breakthrough. I wouldn't go quite that far. Carrie's fanbase is much more deeply rooted in country music whereas Taylor's has always been universal, which is what helped her to cross over. Not only that, but Taylor was also never a member of the Grand Ole Opry, while Carrie is. Considering how the last era went I think this would be a huge mistake and likely hurt her career more, though. Compared to Taylor Swift, Carrie’s fan base is definitely more rooted in country music and I just don’t see her expanding that outside of what she’s already been able to accomplish. And besides, wasn’t the idea of switching labels and the Cry Pretty era itself built around the idea of trying to do just this? Yes and they did mostly nothing. They certainly had plans to tho imo, and I think a couple of factors played into everything going somewhat wrong on that front: --in 2018 she was pregnant, and right as Cry Pretty was set to be released that September, she was to host a secret early-listening party with fans in the UK and make appearances in a number of music festivals on the other side of the pond around release week. However, she fell ill with something probably related to her pregnancy, and she was forced to call all of it off. --this isn't really international, BUT she was also set to perform on the Today Show on release day. However, Hurricane Florence became such a pressing news story that Carrie's appearance was cancelled and NBC News focused the entire show that day to extended coverage as it made landfall in the US. The concert never did get rescheduled.
Now they did still try to get her as global as possible with the Cry Pretty release, and I would say it was somewhat successful: --the album debuted at #1 in the United States, UK, Canada, and Australia, while charting in the Top 20 at debut in a number of other countries. --in June 2019, she performed at the Glastonbury Festival, which is major. If they're to continue trying to make her a more global force, the timing will have to play a major role in it imo. I think if the timing had been right, the release date would've been massive.
|
|
.indulgecountry
Diamond Member
Best Country Poster 2011, 2017, & 2018
"You left a mark on my face // And brought a dozen red flags in a vase"
|
Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 20, 2020 18:50:57 GMT -5
Carrie had no interest in having a true crossover career here in America for the past 15 years even when it wouldn't have been that hard for her to accomplish, so there's 0 reason to believe she suddenly would want or be able to become an international pop star now and leave country music behind.
|
|
bigd79
Gold Member
Joined: February 2019
Posts: 800
|
Post by bigd79 on Jul 20, 2020 19:37:05 GMT -5
The way i see it if she wanted to be a pop star she would have let the powers that be take her in that direction after she won AI. She basically refused to do it that way as she was dead set on releasing a country album. 15 years later, she has now had 6 of them. And a GH album. After all these years, why do people still think she should suddenly go pop? All her albums have songs on them that could have probably been sent to pop/HAC but she/the label chose not to. There’s a reason. She has no interest in being a pop star, she is perfectly happy with what she has done in country and where she is currently at. So just stop already, its never gonna happen, and i’m pretty sure she is more than ok with that. She is a future country music hall of famer who has been able to do so many amazing things over the years. We all should just be happy she is one of the biggest stars in the genre and is at a level where she can basically do what she wants to, not everyone has that luxury.
|
|
popwizard
New Member
Joined: November 2017
Posts: 211
|
Post by popwizard on Jul 23, 2020 18:21:13 GMT -5
Omg - I hope Carrie never tries to go too pop, ala Taylor. It just wouldn't suit her, especially personality-wise. She's too shy for that. Country suits her. I actually hope she goes a bit more country in terms of the instruments and sound. And if she doesn't, I think she has a good lane with the country, country-lite, country-pop, faith-based songs and sound. I don't think she needs to change to go more global, her talent is enough.
|
|