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Post by Mauricio on Dec 9, 2019 13:58:32 GMT -5
Hadn’t it been for the bundles, ‘Heartless’ wouldn’t even have been top 5, damn.
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Post by kierz7 on Dec 9, 2019 14:00:44 GMT -5
I have two younger sisters, aged 18 and 15 respectively.
Neither of them know who Mariah Carey truly is outside of “AIWFCIY”.
Of course they’ve researched her and become relatively familiar with her music (mostly because of me) but Carey is not someone of whom they’ll actively listen to and are a fan of.
To them, she’s merely a legacy act, with the astounding voice, and the “massive Xmas jingle”.
As we move further into the 2020’s, to those below a certain age, the aforementioned is all Mariah Carey will be and there’s nothing wrong with that because at least it means that she has a song that will remain omnipresent for future generations to come, and for that they’ll have to discover who she is. 🤷🏿♀️
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 14:15:05 GMT -5
You all are wrong. Mariah had two TikTok smashes this year with people at puberty age dancing to her songs. She is a multigenerational sensation.
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Post by rockgolf on Dec 9, 2019 14:17:50 GMT -5
I used to ask if anyone could name a Bing Crosby song other than White Christmas.
Nowadays I have to ask if anyone has heard of Bing Crosby at all.
Someday all that may remain of The Beatles is Happy Xmas (War Is Over) and Wonderful Christmastime.
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Post by whales10268 on Dec 9, 2019 14:22:21 GMT -5
Will we see #1-> out of top ten next week :o Good for him though! I think so honestly. It’s still a weak number one even with the bundling. |
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Post by whales10268 on Dec 9, 2019 14:24:28 GMT -5
Is Michael Jackson just the Thriller guy since that’s the only song that charts still lol?
These artists will still be known, but my guess is the majority of kids now aren’t even familiar with 2000’s music, let alone 20th century acts.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Dec 9, 2019 14:24:40 GMT -5
Yeah, Mariah is already a legacy act along with Celine/Janet/Madonna etc. She is still relevant with likely your middle-aged to 30s audiences, but she is for the most part in no way relevant to younger audiences. Hell even Taylor is beginning to struggle being relevant to teens at this point. Still, good on her for crafting a Christmas classic that will keep her name somewhat in circulation one month every year!
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Post by chanman on Dec 9, 2019 14:25:15 GMT -5
It's crazy to think that, a few decades from now, Mariah may solely be known as "the Christmas lady". The same way Brenda Lee's other non-Christmas hits have largely been forgotten. Granted Brenda Lee was never on the same level of commercial success as Mariah, but Bing Crosby certainly was. Arguably, no artist has ever dominated the way he did in the 1930s and 40s. And yet he's just "the Christmas guy" now. It happens. I'd imagine she's already the "Christmas lady" for anyone below age 20 now. I'm 24 and her last big hit was when I was 12. I'm sure there are some people below 20 streaming Fantasy and We Belong Together, but I have a feeling its mostly her older fans. But there's nothing wrong with that, AIWFCIY will keep reintroducing her to new audiences for decades to come, and a lot of them will probably give her catalog a curiosity spin. I don't know about calling her the "Christmas lady". I don't think decades to come people would care about her catalog. The younger kids mostly below 10, don't even know Michael Jackson or Mariah Carey. Just as for me, I hear older persons talk about Elvis or Aretha .. I would try to listen to it, but it will not stick with me because its not current. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 9, 2019 14:29:22 GMT -5
Guys, remember when several people on this forum swore the Weeknd wouldn’t debut top 5/10 and would “underperform” with his next single? Because he “flopped” with a producer collab and a tv show single? Welp Well... I don't want to be the one to say it, but Heartless doesn't seem like it'll be a longstanding hit. It'll probably drop several positions by next week and he went all out with the promotion to get it to debut at #1. The lead single(s) off his next solo effort were always gonna do well right out the gate, even if just temporarily. There's a league of mainstream musicians who have earned that level of goodwill with music fans. I said myself that he'd have no problem selling out his tour whenever he announces it because his fan base is that loyal to him. I think a legit test of his commercial viability will be in how well both these singles perform in the long run and how well his album performs. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 9, 2019 14:36:03 GMT -5
Yes, Ava. I don't think anyone would dare suggest that any of the acts, living or deceased, with classic holiday hits would score big with new material/non-holiday songs.
I wonder if AIWFICY gets to the top, whether RATCT can get to the runner-up spot. Incidentally, both are among my favorite holiday tunes. Keep in mind that RATCT reached a new audience with its inclusion in 1990's Home Alone.
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Post by kierz7 on Dec 9, 2019 14:40:41 GMT -5
Is Michael Jackson just the Thriller guy since that’s the only song that charts still lol? These artists will still be known, but my guess is the majority of kids now aren’t even familiar with 2000’s music, let alone 20th century acts. Michael Jackson’s recurrent sales, streams and airplay completely OBLITERATES Mariah Carey’s so that comparison is void. As a matter of fact, his recurrent stats. even surpass several ‘popular’ new-age mainstream acts ala. Lady Gaga, Katy Perry etc. and his solo career debuted almost 30 year’s prior. Michael Jackson is a multi-generational name for the simple fact that everything from his music to his image to his personal life (both for better and worst) to his artistic impact and influence is still heavily referenced throughout the entire world. He has awards named after him spanning the U.S to the Philippines. Carey isn’t on that level even though she’s a force herself. |
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Post by kierz7 on Dec 9, 2019 14:45:54 GMT -5
Yes, Ava. I don't think anyone would dare suggest that any of the acts, living or deceased, with classic holiday hits would score big with new material/non-holiday songs. I wonder if AIWFICY gets to the top, whether RATCT can get to the runner-up spot. Incidentally, both are among my favorite holiday tunes. Keep in mind that RATCT reached a new audience with its inclusion in 1990's Home Alone. The difference between “AIWFCIY” and “RATCT” is that the latter was released in 1958; 61 years ago when Brenda Lee was 14 years old. It’s one of the GRANDEST classics in the history of recorded (contemporary) music. I absolutely adore “RATCT”. It takes me back to when I was young and my Grandma would play it every Christmas, cooking and singing along to it along with Xmas tunes from Judy Garland, Frank Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald, Nat King Cole etc. I hope it reaches number one, someday. |
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Post by whales10268 on Dec 9, 2019 14:54:14 GMT -5
Is Michael Jackson just the Thriller guy since that’s the only song that charts still lol? These artists will still be known, but my guess is the majority of kids now aren’t even familiar with 2000’s music, let alone 20th century acts. Michael Jackson’s recurrent sales, streams and airplay completely OBLITERATES Mariah Carey’s so that comparison is void. As a matter of fact, his recurrent stats. even surpass several ‘popular’ new-age mainstream acts ala. Lady Gaga, Katy Perry etc. and his solo career debuted almost 30 year’s prior. Michael Jackson is a multi-generational name for the simple fact that everything from his music to his image to his personal life (both for better and worst) to his artistic impact and influence is still heavily referenced throughout the entire world. He has awards named after him spanning the U.S to the Philippines. Carey isn’t on that level even though she’s a force herself. Where is this info available? Would be interesting to see. |
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Post by tanooki on Dec 9, 2019 14:54:49 GMT -5
Mariah is a legacy act but she's not as unknown to kids as yall think. Obsessed was a Tik Tok meme not too long ago
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Post by kierz7 on Dec 9, 2019 14:56:55 GMT -5
Michael Jackson’s recurrent sales, streams and airplay completely OBLITERATES Mariah Carey’s so that comparison is void. As a matter of fact, his recurrent stats. even surpass several ‘popular’ new-age mainstream acts ala. Lady Gaga, Katy Perry etc. and his solo career debuted almost 30 year’s prior. Michael Jackson is a multi-generational name for the simple fact that everything from his music to his image to his personal life (both for better and worst) to his artistic impact and influence is still heavily referenced throughout the entire world. He has awards named after him spanning the U.S to the Philippines. Carey isn’t on that level even though she’s a force herself. Where is this info available? Would be interesting to see. What info? His recurrent stats, or his entire musical/artistic persona being a reference point for Pop artists the world over? |
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Post by dovahduck on Dec 9, 2019 14:57:37 GMT -5
I don't know why RATCT is the second biggest christmas song every year. It's one of my least favorite Christmas songs and doesn't seem to have the most relevance overall either. I would have expected Most Wonderful Time Of The Year or Last Christmas which are both some of my favorites. Also it's criminal that Fairytale Of New York doesn't end up up there with the greats It has “the least relevance” according to whom? 💀 The song was recorded in 1957 when Brenda Lee was 12, released officially in 1958 and is currently top ten on the biggest U.S singles chart 61 years later. • “Last Christmas”? LMFAO. • “Most Wonderful Time Of The Year”? That song is big... just not as big as “RATCT”. To be fair, "Last Christmas" is a behemoth outside of the United States. |
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Post by lugus15 on Dec 9, 2019 14:58:03 GMT -5
Lmao at the year ending with 15 or 16 #1's (I always count the holdover from the previous year) after the 19 week OTR.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 14:58:39 GMT -5
Mariah is very well known lol, Mariah is skinny is a twitter meme every single year
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Post by whales10268 on Dec 9, 2019 14:59:12 GMT -5
Where is this info available? Would be interesting to see. What info? His recurrent stats, or his entire musical/artistic persona being a reference point for Pop artists the world over? Well, you can only see the Spotify 200 and iTunes 200 and Apple Music 100. How do you know how well Jackson is sold and streamed compared to Carey? |
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Post by sirskimask on Dec 9, 2019 14:59:36 GMT -5
ABEL DID IT!!! And some of y'all really said he wasn't gonna get a #1 hit from his next album lmao
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 15:05:18 GMT -5
Mariah is a legacy act but she's not as unknown to kids as yall think. Obsessed was a Tik Tok meme not too long ago There was a “Fantasy” one too, and now it’s in the trailer for the new Ryan Reynolds movie. |
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 9, 2019 15:05:42 GMT -5
ABEL DID IT!!! And some of y'all really said he wasn't gonna get a #1 hit from his next album lmao Well most of the recent predictions DID say it's was going to climb to #2. |
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Post by violentdreams on Dec 9, 2019 15:11:21 GMT -5
Out of interest, does anyone have an idea of what the digital to physical ratio was for Heartless and Blinding Lights? Kworb hasn't updated the digital sales page in like a month, likely because they're all so low that there's no point in doing so.
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Dec 9, 2019 15:11:43 GMT -5
We’re at a total of 15 number ones counting “thank u, next”!
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Dec 9, 2019 15:13:10 GMT -5
Mariah is very well known lol, Mariah is skinny is a twitter meme every single year Being known and being relevant are two different things. A lot of youth are familiar with many legacy acts I am sure (Michael, Elvis, Madonna etc), doesn't necessarily make them matter or make them relevant to that demographic at all. |
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Post by sirskimask on Dec 9, 2019 15:13:15 GMT -5
ABEL DID IT!!! And some of y'all really said he wasn't gonna get a #1 hit from his next album lmao Well most of the recent predictions DID say it's was going to climb to #2. True, but there were also some people who thought he wouldn't even get a top 5 hit from this era too |
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Post by kierz7 on Dec 9, 2019 15:18:39 GMT -5
Mariah is very well known lol, Mariah is skinny is a twitter meme every single year Being known and being relevant are two different things. A lot of youth are familiar with many legacy acts I am sure (Michael, Elvis, Madonna etc), doesn't necessarily make them matter or make them relevant to that demographic at all. True. Weren’t Madonna and Whitney Houston the first “legacy” acts to have Social Media meme’s anyhow? Madonna: “Reductive” & “Look It Up” (2012). Whitney Houston: Her COUNTLESS interview memes. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by Fears in the Fire on Dec 9, 2019 15:19:50 GMT -5
What info? His recurrent stats, or his entire musical/artistic persona being a reference point for Pop artists the world over? Well, you can only see the Spotify 200 and iTunes 200 and Apple Music 100. How do you know how well Jackson is sold and streamed compared to Carey? You can look at total Spotify streams or monthly listeners on Spotify |
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Post by nathanalbright on Dec 9, 2019 15:20:22 GMT -5
Guys, remember when several people on this forum swore the Weeknd wouldn’t debut top 5/10 and would “underperform” with his next single? Because he “flopped” with a producer collab and a tv show single? Welp We need to have a cold takes thread. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 9, 2019 15:22:44 GMT -5
Yes, "Last Christmas" is huge globally, though it's done/is doing pretty well stateside, as well.
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