Billboard Hot 100: 12/28/2019

[nathanalbright]

Dec 18, 2019 21:12:03 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Dec 18, 2019 20:31:58 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

TRUMP JUST GOT IMPEACHED!!! (YES, THIS IS TOTALLY RELEVANT TO THIS WEEK'S HOT 100 THREAD).

Happy for you guys and glad republicans (well, the ones that voted yes) finally came to their senses. Now if only that'd happen in my country 

Not a single Republican voted yes.  And for good reason, because the whole case was completely partisan and worthless.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

.......well guys, it was a good thread while it lasted.

[lazer]

This is a chart discussion thread.

[sam8432]

Dec 18, 2019 21:12:03 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Dec 18, 2019 20:31:58 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

TRUMP JUST GOT IMPEACHED!!! (YES, THIS IS TOTALLY RELEVANT TO THIS WEEK'S HOT 100 THREAD).

Happy for you guys and glad republicans (well, the ones that voted yes) finally came to their senses. Now if only that'd happen in my country 

Unfortunately, no Republicans voted for impeachment.

[kindofbiased]

No actually this is relevant to the hot 100, one of the people who voted for impeachment was none other than US representative DaBaby

[tuna]

Dec 18, 2019 22:58:52 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

No actually this is relevant to the hot 100, one of the people who voted for impeachment was none other than US representative DaBaby

    king of rational bipartisanship

[degen]

Dec 18, 2019 19:02:49 GMT -5 Lukas said:

Dec 18, 2019 18:35:17 GMT -5 degen said:

Maybe Billboard just needs to do away with “the inverse point system” when they are tallying year end/decade end songs. Christmas songs may seem bigger under an inverse system. But generally, this is a very weak time of the year isn’t it? “Rockin Around the Christmas Tree,” with the points it’s getting now is able to be in the top 3, but If this was June, those points probably wouldn’t even get it to #8, am I correct? So let these Christmas songs have their few weeks in the top 10 every year, but the point totals in the long run aren’t going to add up with the point totals of say, “Uptown Funk” or “Shape of You,” so it can become very problematic and inaccurate for Billboard to continue using an inverse point system to tally hits when this is clearly the weakest time of the year.

You're seriously calling this "clearly the weakest time of the year"? This is probably the first winter in forever where the charts were this weak.

Last year, AIWFCIY had more points than it just did this past week during the Christmas week, but it had to compete against Thank u next and Without Me.

And the year before, you had Rockstar and Perfect tallying about 45k+ points. The year before that? Closer and Black Beatles with even more points. And before that, Hello and Sorry with 60k+ points.

The point is, you can't just generalize a song's chart run and say "oh the song's chart run is obviously better than its actual real point performances" when it is charting in multiple eras and only one of them is a weak era. Nor can you assume that just because this is the weakest time of the year one year means that it is the case for every other year.

Thanks for the insight! So If this is in fact a “weak” year and Xmas songs are charting higher because of it, what makes everyone assume in coming years Xmas songs will peak this high with those point totals? That is of course, if those point totals are maintained. We really don’t know. I still argue that the inverse point system should be done away with.

[bbfan97]

If Billboard doesn't change anything, expect the GOAT list to have an all Christmas top 25 or so before too long. I don't think tastes will change, people have been listening to xmas shit every year its just streaming making an impact on the charts. Other songs would have no chance, especially with recurrent rules that xmas songs are seemingly immune to.

[tanooki]

There is literally a thread on Pulse for discussing politics, go do it there jesus christ

[KeepDeanWeird]

So what if Xmas songs get so-called longevity records? At least they are really earned - on all three metrics + they also generate pure album sales - both the parent records and compilations.

Frankly, it's more appalling that Glee holds the record for most chart placements! At least until Drake breaks it. I won't go into the features credit.... I'm sure we'll have that debate soon enough.

I think it'll be more interesting if radio starts to adjust Holiday playlists to more closely match streaming/sales. For example, Feliz Navidad was the #2 Xmas song on radio, but when all metrics are merged it's was the 9th highest on H100. I'm sure there are other variances and watching whether more 'recent' songs like UTT start to stick and pass some of these 'classics.'

[tuna]

Dec 18, 2019 23:19:52 GMT -5 bbfan97 said:

If Billboard doesn't change anything, expect the GOAT list to have an all Christmas top 25 or so before too long. I don't think tastes will change, people have been listening to xmas s**t every year its just streaming making an impact on the charts. Other songs would have no chance, especially with recurrent rules that xmas songs are seemingly immune to.

Year/All-Time charts are the only things I have a problem with as Christmas stuff comes back every year. 

Like that guy said I don't want the entire all-time list to gradually fill up with Christmas music until by 2030 the entire top 10 is Christmas. I really hope they readjust the rules



Maybe the value of points gradually goes down with the number of weeks on the chart? For example, a song with 2 weeks on the chart with 200 points would be weighted as 200 points, while a song with 52 weeks on the chart with 200 points would be fractioned, so that it would end up with 150 points or 125 points. Easy way for the charts to stay fresh. If it's mixed with a removal of the 25/52 rule I could see overall positives for the chart

[moonlite]

^ I think a better and more simple idea is to just remove them all instead of messing with the points like the UK chart

[Au$tin]

That would mess with the points, though, since songs would unfairly not be earning any. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[moonlite]

On the Hot 100, yea sadly they wouldn't be earning any points. But on the Holiday 100 they can earn all the points that their hearts desire  its a win win situation

[Au$tin]

Points for what, though? Another unnecessarily segregated all time chart? :)

[moonlite]

Yup :)

[Mylo13 💜]

:)

[Au$tin]

Dec 19, 2019 1:47:56 GMT -5 moonlite said:

Yup :)

So you agree that it would be unnecessary then? Glad we're finally on the same page!

[kimberly]

omg please stop

[dremolus - solarpunk]

A hundred years from now, the debate of whether or not holiday songs should be on the charts will still be going on 

Heartless for number one again, please.

[Enigma.]

Why are people so obsessed about a thing that might happen in ten years time but most likely not.

If AIWFCIY, for instance, spends 4-5 weeks in top ten each year, it would take 6 years to be even in competition to longest running top ten hit and by that time all Sunflowers of the 2020s have reached 40 weeks in top ten anyway.

[jebsib]

Over at Billboard, the chart managers were suggesting that AIWFCIY could topple 19 weeks at #1 by 2023.
I'm not kidding - they are promoting that possibility.

That gives some insight into their current feelings regarding Christmas songs on the chart in the next half decade.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

What annoys me about this whole discussion is how so many people think the chart should be less accurate just so they can be happy. This really is 2019 America, where facts are inconvenient.

[violentdreams]

The argument wouldn't exist if recurrency rules were done away with tbh. If Billboard is gonna manipulate the charts for shallow reasons (keeping them "fresh"), it's no surprise that other people will suggest the same thing for their own reasons. Unfortunately, that's not gonna happen, so the argument will persist every year.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^Yeah. They can't handle the truth.

[spicymapping]

early preds woo

1. All I Want For Christmas Is You (=)
2. Rockin’ Around The Christmas Tree (+1)
3. Circles (-1)
4. A Holly Jolly Christmas (+6)
5. Roxanne (+1)
6. Memories (+1)
7. Futsal Shuffle 2020 (NEW)
8. Someone You Loved (-4)
9. Good As Hell (-4)
10. Jingle Bell Rock (+5)
11. Dance Monkey (-2)
12. Bop (-1)
13. Lose You To Love Me (=)
14. 10,000 Hours (=)
15. It’s The Most Wonderful Time of The Year (+5)
16. Ballin’ (+2)
17. Lucid Dreams (-9)
18. Bandit (-6)
19. Last Christmas (+7)
20. Let It Snow, Let It Snow, Let It Snow! (+4)
21. Heartless (-4)
22. Señorita (-6)
23. The Box (+24)
24. No Guidance (-5)
25. The Christmas Song (+7)
26. Feliz Navidad (+8)
27. Adore You (+8)
28. Bad Guy (-7)
29. Panini (-7)
30. Truth Hurts (-7)
31. Highest In The Room (-6)
32. Watermelon Sugar (+60)
33. Sleigh Ride (+4)
34. Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer (+4)
35. Everything I Wanted (-5)
36. Woah (-8)
37. Trampoline (-10)
38. Falling (NEW)
39. Falling (-3)
40. Happy Holiday/The Holiday Season (+3)
41. Hot (-8)
42. Don’t Start Now (=)
43. Here Comes Santa Claus (RE)
44. Ransom (-13)
45. Lover (-5)
46. Old Town Road (-7)
47. It’s Beginning To Look a Lot Like Christmas (RE)
48. Graveyard (=)
49. Legends (-20)
50. One Man Band (-9)
51. Even Though I’m Leaving (-5)
52. On Chill (-7)
53. Hot Girl Bummer (-2)
54. Like It’s Christmas (+7)
55. The Bones (-1)
56. Playing Games (-3)
57. Lights Up (RE)
58. Blinding Lights (-7)
59. Vibez (+3)
60. Juicy (-3)
61. Suicidal (+13)
62. No Idea (+14)
63. Nice To Meet Ya (+28)
64. Heat (-8)
65. Into The Unknown (-10)
66. Remember You Young (-3)
67. Cherry (NEW)
68. Robbery (-19)
69. Start Wit Me (-11)
70. Camelot (-4)
71. Ridin’ Roads (-3)
72. Death (-8)
73. Golden (NEW)
74. Dirty Iyanna (NEW)
75. Heart On Ice (-10)
76. Hate Me (-16)
77. Leave Em Alone (-8)
78. Heartache Medication (-7)
79. What If I Never Get Over You (-9)
80. Take What You Want (-13)
82. Slow Dancing In The Dark (=)
82. Kinfolks (-5)
83. My Oh My (=)
84. Candy (+2)
85. Tip Toe (-12)
86. Peta (-14)
87. Vete (-12)
88. Yellow Hearts (+7)
89. She (NEW)
90. Prayed For You (-11)
91. 223’s (-11)
92. Easy (-3)
93. Baby Sitter (-9)
94. Enemies (-11)
95. Homesick (-5)
96. To Be So Lonely (NEW)
97. RITMO (-1)
98. We Back (-10)
99. Best On Earth (+1)
100. Christmas Tree Farm (-41)

[Enigma.]

I expect Lucid Dreams will drop much more than that. It won't be even top ten on Spotify.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/12/19

1(+1) Post Malone - Circles 128.09(+0.67)
2(-1) Lizzo - Good as Hell 127.40(-0.33)
3(=) Maroon 5 - Memories 113.55(+0.68)
4(=) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 106.04(-0.45)
5(=) Dan + Shay & Justin Bieber - 10,000 Hours 104.71(+1.36)
6(=) Selena Gomez - Lose You to Love Me 104.22(+0.90)
7(=) SHAED - Trampoline 84.01(-0.33)
8(=) Jonas Brothers - Only Human 75.67(+0.53)
9(=) Chris Brown - No Guidance (feat. Drake) 73.59(+0.34)
10(=) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 69.88(-0.72)

12(+1) Wale - On Chill (feat. Jeremih) 61.48(+0.71)

18(+2) The Weeknd - Heartless 54.49(+0.88)

24(=) Maren Morris - The Bones 50.38(+0.89)

27(+4) Arizona Zervas - ROXANNE 47.66(+0.99)

44(+2) Doja Cat & Tyga - Juicy 30.99(+0.70)

59(+3) Harry Styles - Adore You 26.36(+1.28)

63(+1) Billie Eilish - everything i wanted 25.16(+0.71)

-(-) Ed Sheeran - South of the Border (feat. Camila Cabello & Cardi B) 13.09(+0.87)

[strongerq]

Dec 19, 2019 7:53:56 GMT -5 violentdreams said:

The argument wouldn't exist if recurrency rules were done away with tbh. If Billboard is gonna manipulate the charts for shallow reasons (keeping them "fresh"), it's no surprise that other people will suggest the same thing for their own reasons. Unfortunately, that's not gonna happen, so the argument will persist every year.

This i my exact problem with BB Hot 100 from one side i see why they implemented such rules, but from the other side they are bulls**t and should be removed.

If Baby Shark is among the 100 most popular songs in the US for 3 straight years, then it should chart for 3 straight years(156 weeks and still charting) who cares !

If Shape of You was among the 50 most popular songs for 2 years from its release, then it should have spent 2 years (104 weeks) in the top 50.

If All I Want For Christmas Is You re-enters the chart each holiday season the next 20 years straight and spends on average 2 weeks at the top spot (40 weeks at #1). Then it should hold the record for most weeks at #1.

On the BB200 we have an album "The Dark Side of the Moon" that has charted for more than 18 years, and there are more than 20 albums that have spent 5+ years on the chart but i don't see anyone complaining.

You can say that album #45 "sold" more than album #46 (moved more units) and that album #45 is the 45th biggest album for the current week, you can't say the same thing for the Hot 100.

The rule was meant to make the charts fresh and give space for newer artists/songs. -What is this a charity? Why do we even have the bubbling under when there are reccurency rules for the Hot 100.  Doesn't this chart feel useless now?

inb4 someone says that if they remove the rule the charts will be stagnant and radio will drop songs even slower, so there would be barely any movement on the charts. I will ask again is this some type of charity ? ? Is every song supposed to chart ? Is every artist supposed to have a #1 ? Is every noname supposed to have a top 10 ?? 

Billboard are being mother to one child and stepmother to the other child. They either need to start being a mother to both children, or being stepmother to christmas songs too.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]