Billboard Hot 100: 1/4/2020

[thegreatdivine]

Dec 20, 2019 10:54:06 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Dec 20, 2019 10:45:36 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Why do you keep doing this to yourself?

I’m really hurting inside, but it’s hope that keep me alive.

(Adele too).

Just wait till a working link to a song/album on Apple Music/Spotify is made available. Until that happens, nothing is concrete and you'll just keep getting disappointed.

[ddlz]

I really wonder how will this go. It looks like he'll drop two singles and then an album drop in the first week of January.

http://instagram.com/p/B6TUBqXHpsh

[violentdreams]

The Box is rising incredibly fast on Spotify. I definitely anticipate it going top 10 early in 2020.

[anorable]

Dec 20, 2019 12:55:41 GMT -5 ddlz said:

I really wonder how will this go. It looks like he'll drop two singles and then an album drop in the first week of January.

http://instagr.am/p/B6TUBqXHpsh

Those dates would suggest Tuesday single drops...what happened to Friday new music day again?

[atg]

Dec 20, 2019 13:56:51 GMT -5 anorable said:

Dec 20, 2019 12:55:41 GMT -5 ddlz said:

I really wonder how will this go. It looks like he'll drop two singles and then an album drop in the first week of January.

http://instagr.am/p/B6TUBqXHpsh

Those dates would suggest Tuesday single drops...what happened to Friday new music day again?

Selena did it, then the weeknd, now justin

Besides the obvious coincidence between those 3, i wonder if this would be a trend

[jenglisbe]

Dec 20, 2019 11:44:11 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Interesting that AIWFCIY suffered (relatively) during the years that Mariah (and her reputation) was in trouble on the charts (2001 - 2005) but then sprang to #1 and hasn't relented since the We Belong Together recharge.

It didn't "suffer," it was just still working its way up. At that point it hadn't even been out 10 years, yet was already among the legit classics. That's actually really impressive.

Those stats also show that it was already among the classics pre-Love Actually, since that movie came out in 2003 but "AIWFCIY" was already top 10. The digital age is what really kicked it up to #1.

[anorable]

Dec 20, 2019 14:31:54 GMT -5 atg said:

Dec 20, 2019 13:56:51 GMT -5 anorable said:

Those dates would suggest Tuesday single drops...what happened to Friday new music day again?

Selena did it, then the weeknd, now justin

Besides the obvious coincidence between those 3, i wonder if this would be a trend

Guess execs saw those #1 jumps and are pulling the stunt again without thinking those #1s would probably have been even more secure with Friday releases.

[renaboss]

I apologize if this has been shared already, but the Billboard staffers seem to have no problem with the idea of Mariah going #1 every year lol.

www.billboard.com/articles/business/chart-beat/8546573/mariah-carey-all-i-want-for-christmas-is-you-five-burning-questions?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=targeted&fbclid=IwAR3GQ0iVAd7cRhh2C4cYO3W8tWB1I8mmMaxw43CqjJ4D8XkLo81u78zwMgA

[13]

I wonder if some of the newer Christmas songs, in particular Under The Tree and Christmas Tree Farm, will be able to develop into classics and overtake Mariah in a few years. I love both of those songs so I hope they can at some point!

[Enigma.]

Biebs doesn't have a shot to debut at #1 but might climb there the week after. Interesting.

Although he hasn't have had a #1 since I'm the One so it's not guaranteed that he'll get there in the first place (probably will as the #1 spot is offered pretty cheap after Xmas though).

But why likely two singles? Didn't his team learn anything from The Weeknd and Selena Gomez?

[neverduplicated]

Dec 20, 2019 14:37:59 GMT -5 13 said:

I wonder if some of the newer Christmas songs, in particular Under The Tree and Christmas Tree Farm, will be able to develop into classics and overtake Mariah in a few years. I love both of those songs so I hope they can at some point!

I doubt any song that exists at the moment will take over AIWFCIY on a long-term basis anytime soon. People consistently seem to think that it is simply catchier and more festive than all the other Christmas songs. I can't think of any other song that gets people in the holiday spirit more than this song, and that's why people listen to it like junkies all December, so they can inject themselves with holiday festivity. rimetm's list shows that it has been the number 1 holiday song for the past 15 years. That won't change anytime soon.

[jenglisbe]

Dec 20, 2019 14:45:42 GMT -5 neverduplicated said:

Dec 20, 2019 14:37:59 GMT -5 13 said:

I wonder if some of the newer Christmas songs, in particular Under The Tree and Christmas Tree Farm, will be able to develop into classics and overtake Mariah in a few years. I love both of those songs so I hope they can at some point!

I doubt any song that exists at the moment will take over AIWFCIY on a long-term basis anytime soon. People consistently seem to think that it is simply catchier and more festive than all the other Christmas songs. I can't think of any other song that gets people in the holiday spirit more than this song, and that's why people listen to it like junkies all December, so they can inject themselves with holiday festivity. rimetm's list shows that it has been the number 1 holiday song for the past 15 years. That won't change anytime soon.

Yes, and more to the point, why not aim for top 10 before asking if something new can get all the way to #1? It took "AIWFCIY" a decade to get there, and it's obviously an exception more than the rule.

[cking33]

Dec 20, 2019 11:44:11 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Interesting that AIWFCIY suffered (relatively) during the years that Mariah (and her reputation) was in trouble on the charts (2001 - 2005) but then sprang to #1 and hasn't relented since the We Belong Together recharge.

I think that, plus the emergence of "Love Actually" as a holiday classic. It came out in 2003, but it seemed like its popularity as gained over the years.

[jenglisbe]

Dec 20, 2019 14:48:19 GMT -5 cking33 said:

Dec 20, 2019 11:44:11 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Interesting that AIWFCIY suffered (relatively) during the years that Mariah (and her reputation) was in trouble on the charts (2001 - 2005) but then sprang to #1 and hasn't relented since the We Belong Together recharge.

I think that, plus the emergence of "Love Actually" as a holiday classic. It came out in 2003, but it seemed like its popularity as gained over the years.

In what way was it "suffering" in the early 00s? It wasn't yet 10 years old and was consistently top 10 for all holiday songs. That logic would mean songs like "Santa Tell Me" and "Underneath the Tree" are really struggling right now since they're not even top 10. Obviously the popularity for "AIWFCIY" has grown, but it was never struggling.

[sirskimask]

The title threw me off like crazy lol, can't believe it's about to be 2020 holy shit

Last week of the Christmas songs (good). Wonder if any of the new Thug songs will chart, the one with Travis probably will even though it's pretty mid imo

[Deleted]

Dec 20, 2019 15:00:14 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Dec 20, 2019 14:48:19 GMT -5 cking33 said:

I think that, plus the emergence of "Love Actually" as a holiday classic. It came out in 2003, but it seemed like its popularity as gained over the years.

In what way was it "suffering" in the early 00s? It wasn't yet 10 years old and was consistently top 10 for all holiday songs. That logic would mean songs like "Santa Tell Me" and "Underneath the Tree" are really struggling right now since they're not even top 10. Obviously the popularity for "AIWFCIY" has grown, but it was never struggling.

Santa tell me had to be top 10 for 2014 and Mistole 1 for 2011, rim didn't include new holidays songs for.some unknown reason

[jebsib]

Dec 20, 2019 15:00:14 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Dec 20, 2019 14:48:19 GMT -5 cking33 said:

I think that, plus the emergence of "Love Actually" as a holiday classic. It came out in 2003, but it seemed like its popularity as gained over the years.

In what way was it "suffering" in the early 00s? It wasn't yet 10 years old and was consistently top 10 for all holiday songs. That logic would mean songs like "Santa Tell Me" and "Underneath the Tree" are really struggling right now since they're not even top 10. Obviously the popularity for "AIWFCIY" has grown, but it was never struggling.

That's why I said it was * relatively* suffering.
Recall the Hot 100 Airplay charts of the mid 90s where AIWFCIY was a consistent top Holiday smash for years, highly unusual for any modern Christmas song.
Certainly a lot more potent than recent output from Ariana aor Kelly.
At those levels, it would have been higher than #5 or 6 in the early 00s if MC's reputation hadn't taken a hit with Glitter, Pop Radio's freeze-out and the TRL incident.

[Deleted]

Maybe it’s a regional thing, but I remember hearing AIWFCIY all over the radio in the NYC area during the early 00’s at Christmas time. Not so much the late 90’s but Christmas music had a huge surge at radio following 9/11. I don’t think it was ever “suffering” though. It’s been one of the biggest contemporary Christmas songs since it was first released. It’s just that in recent years it became THE biggest Christmas song.

[renaboss]

Dec 20, 2019 14:40:34 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Biebs doesn't have a shot to debut at #1 but might climb there the week after. Interesting.

Although he hasn't have had a #1 since I'm the One so it's not guaranteed that he'll get there in the first place (probably will as the #1 spot is offered pretty cheap after Xmas though).

But why likely two singles? Didn't his team learn anything from The Weeknd and Selena Gomez?

"Despacito" the very next week? One of the biggest songs of all time? Would very likely not have made it anywhere near #1 (despite being a global smash) if not for the Bieber version.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Dec 20, 2019 14:40:34 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

But why likely two singles? Didn't his team learn anything from The Weeknd and Selena Gomez?

His last album cycle had two (three even) successful singles almost on top of each other. If anything, they learned from him.

[atg]

Dec 20, 2019 17:52:10 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Dec 20, 2019 14:40:34 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

But why likely two singles? Didn't his team learn anything from The Weeknd and Selena Gomez?

His last album cycle had two (three even) successful singles almost on top of each other. If anything, they learned from him.

Honestly at this point it just feels like a battle between those 3 to see who can come on top better with this release strategy

[kimberly]

Dec 20, 2019 11:04:55 GMT -5 Lukas said:

Dec 20, 2019 11:03:41 GMT -5 owenlovesmusic said:

"1/4/2020" that looks so weird lol

From what I've seen, month and date numbers are always double-digits, regardless of leading zeroes. So "01/04/2020" makes more sense. You will notice this if you look in Billboard Hot 100 thread archives.

I went back and double checked this when I created the thread last night but it was pretty inconsistent. Both formats are correct, so I took the liberty to get rid of unnecessary zeros on this one to keep it skinny like the legendary mc

[thegreatdivine]

Dec 20, 2019 12:55:41 GMT -5 ddlz said:

I really wonder how will this go. It looks like he'll drop two singles and then an album drop in the first week of January.

http://instagr.am/p/B6TUBqXHpsh

Whatever he ends up doing, I'm just excited for new solo singles and an album from him. It's been way too long. I hope the music is good.

[imbondz]

"Despacito" the very next week? One of the biggest songs of all time? Would very likely not have made it anywhere near #1 (despite being a global smash) if not for the Bieber version.

I said that during its reign and was attacked here.

[jenglisbe]

Dec 20, 2019 17:13:39 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Dec 20, 2019 15:00:14 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

In what way was it "suffering" in the early 00s? It wasn't yet 10 years old and was consistently top 10 for all holiday songs. That logic would mean songs like "Santa Tell Me" and "Underneath the Tree" are really struggling right now since they're not even top 10. Obviously the popularity for "AIWFCIY" has grown, but it was never struggling.

That's why I said it was * relatively* suffering.
Recall the Hot 100 Airplay charts of the mid 90s where AIWFCIY was a consistent top Holiday smash for years, highly unusual for any modern Christmas song.
Certainly a lot more potent than recent output from Ariana aor Kelly.
At those levels, it would have been higher than #5 or 6 in the early 00s if MC's reputation hadn't taken a hit with Glitter, Pop Radio's freeze-out and the TRL incident.

Fo most of the 90s Hot 100 Airplay was primarily Top 40 radio. As we know, AC radio is what plays holiday music most. We don’t necessarily know how AIWFCIY would have done in overall airplay in the mid/late 90s.

[m450n]

Dec 20, 2019 18:16:53 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Dec 20, 2019 12:55:41 GMT -5 ddlz said:

I really wonder how will this go. It looks like he'll drop two singles and then an album drop in the first week of January.

http://instagr.am/p/B6TUBqXHpsh

Whatever he ends up doing, I'm just excited for new solo singles and an album from him. It's been way too long. I hope the music is good.

considering the fact that these dates are the three fridays before selena's album drop, i see this as a very snake-y and tacky release from his management. let the girl have her chance, especially after he has already admitted to abusing that relationship in the past

[thegreatdivine]

Dec 20, 2019 19:27:01 GMT -5 m450n said:

Dec 20, 2019 18:16:53 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Whatever he ends up doing, I'm just excited for new solo singles and an album from him. It's been way too long. I hope the music is good.

considering the fact that these dates are the three fridays before selena's album drop, i see this as a very snake-y and tacky release from his management. let the girl have her chance, especially after he has already admitted to abusing that relationship in the past

I don't think it's that deep. He's been teasing dropping new music in 2020 for weeks now. Reportedly, he already has tour dates booked and ready to go. I think the plan was always for him to hit the ground running as soon as the calendar flipped to 2020.

[jebsib]

Dec 20, 2019 19:09:28 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Dec 20, 2019 17:13:39 GMT -5 jebsib said:

That's why I said it was * relatively* suffering.
Recall the Hot 100 Airplay charts of the mid 90s where AIWFCIY was a consistent top Holiday smash for years, highly unusual for any modern Christmas song.
Certainly a lot more potent than recent output from Ariana aor Kelly.
At those levels, it would have been higher than #5 or 6 in the early 00s if MC's reputation hadn't taken a hit with Glitter, Pop Radio's freeze-out and the TRL incident.

Fo most of the 90s Hot 100 Airplay was primarily Top 40 radio. As we know, AC radio is what plays holiday music most. We don’t necessarily know how AIWFCIY would have done in overall airplay in the mid/late 90s.

Sure we do. We have Adult Top 40, Mainstream & Adult Urban, Rhythmic, Mainstream AC, the CHR Recurrents and every other chart that documented AIWFCIY in the late 90s. As a subscriber to Billboard's Airplay Monitor magazine, you could get a terrific picture of its monitored activity based on BDS monitored airplay. It did really well back then.

[Crimsonio]

Post Malone has been caught saying the N-Word, I can no longer support someone who says those kinds of things. Honestly, it's DISGUSTING!

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

In case somebody is wondering what Rihanna has been up to outside of music, I found this article:

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