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Post by tim on Sept 17, 2020 10:04:32 GMT -5
That's the country music industry for you... Okay you make it sound like I don't know this as this post comes across kind of condescending, when I do know it. He was literally agreeing with what you said and not being condescending towards you...chill.
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Post by raylatch98 on Sept 17, 2020 10:07:57 GMT -5
Okay you make it sound like I don't know this as this post comes across kind of condescending, when I do know it. He was literally agreeing with what you said and not being condescending towards you...chill. Oh okay, I am sorry. I read the post completely wrong. My apologies.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 17, 2020 10:08:44 GMT -5
I just am so confused! WHY is there a tribute sung for women who are ALIVE And WELL and are currently active in the genre??? Why are these women sitting at home and not being asked to sing there own songs at award shows. It had to have been super weird for them to be watching Carrie sing their songs when they could do it themselves??? Carrie Underwood doesn't have anything current to sing (other than Christmas music, which wouldn't fit), so it made sense for her to do a tribute performance, which I'm sure was perfectly happy to do & excited about. The women she covered are all icons who regularly get their own spotlight (Dolly and Reba co-hosted and performed at the CMAs last year, Loretta's performed in the past decade on at least one of the two shows, etc.), but who says any of these women were sitting at home upset that they were left out? There's not an infinite amount of time to just have everybody perform on every awards show, and I'm sure given the circumstances many artists couldn't or didn't want to. I'm sure Dolly Parton was not shedding any salt that Carrie Underwood was on the TV singing her song while she was at home, etc.
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Post by tim on Sept 17, 2020 10:09:14 GMT -5
I just am so confused! WHY is there a tribute sung for women who are ALIVE And WELL and are currently active in the genre??? Why are these women sitting at home and not being asked to sing there own songs at award shows. It had to have been super weird for them to be watching Carrie sing their songs when they could do it themselves??? And I hate to bring this up but if you do not give the new girls a chance Carrie and Miranda will continue to be the only females that are asked to participate in these award shows. Thank god Mickey had her spotlight, hopefully it will not be a one off. I am not say Carrie and Miranda are not worthy but they are literally the only leading females whereas the males have multiple contenders. If you do not give more women the chance for the spotlight then it will remain boring as hell when only two females are out front. They may not sing in person because of pandemic. You know elderly are more vulnerable to the disease right? Literally this. And I'd like to think they consider this tribute as a very high honor.
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Post by 14887fan on Sept 17, 2020 10:18:26 GMT -5
Idk how much of the conspiracies I buy into (mad stans will always stay mad), but Andrea Williams’ tweet holds merit. And this isn’t an exclusively-Pulse or exclusively-CU stan sentiment; most news outlets recapping the night are sharing major eyerolls about the tie.
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Post by countrylass on Sept 17, 2020 10:23:16 GMT -5
Martina Mcbride is elderly? Well actually in Country Music she is so there's that. I am not just talking about this award show it is EVERY country award show. There are only TWO major mainstream female A list country stars, that is boring to me. All I am saying is there needs to be more variety so that there are other females to choose from when these "spotlight" opportunities come up. I was so glad to see they asked Trisha to perform the "memorium", now that is a breath of fresh air!
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Post by matty005 on Sept 17, 2020 10:24:11 GMT -5
Idk how much of the conspiracies I buy into (mad stans will always stay mad), but Andrea Williams’ tweet holds merit. And this isn’t an exclusively-Pulse or exclusively-CU stan sentiment; most news outlets recapping the night are sharing major eyerolls about the tie. I am almost leaning the other way. That Thomas Rhett won it but the ACM’s saw how bad it would be to only have one televised female winner (in a category a female HAD to win since it was an all female award) and did the tie to avoid it being all males. Carrie deserved it regardless, but I think it’s more that way than them giving it to Rhett too so a man won as well.
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Post by 14887fan on Sept 17, 2020 10:30:00 GMT -5
Idk how much of the conspiracies I buy into (mad stans will always stay mad), but Andrea Williams’ tweet holds merit. And this isn’t an exclusively-Pulse or exclusively-CU stan sentiment; most news outlets recapping the night are sharing major eyerolls about the tie. I am almost leaning the other way. That Thomas Rhett won it but the ACM’s was how bad it would be to only have one televised female winner (in a category a female HAD to win since it was an all female award) and did the tie to avoid it being all males. Carrie deserved it regardless, but I think it’s more that way than them giving it to Rhett too so a man won as well. Oh, I can absolutely see your way being the more legit possibility. But if that is the case, then...fuck all of that, lol. Any way it’s spun, it’s kind of ugly and anticlimactic.
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Post by liza on Sept 17, 2020 10:46:07 GMT -5
They may not sing in person because of pandemic. You know elderly are more vulnerable to the disease right? Literally this. And I'd like to think they consider this tribute as a very high honor. The problem is that many of them should still be played on radio. Whether it's an honor or not, the tribute gives the impression of "past" because normally that's what a tribute reflects. I felt the same way about Carrie's tribute to females on her tour a year or two ago. You don't see anyone doing tributes to Kenny, Tim, Garth. They don't get pushed aside as quickly as women. Trisha is a member of the Opry - why wasn't she included? Because it would look ridiculous when she was performing. I think it was a crock.
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Post by McCreerian on Sept 17, 2020 11:22:11 GMT -5
I just am so confused! WHY is there a tribute sung for women who are ALIVE And WELL and are currently active in the genre??? Why are these women sitting at home and not being asked to sing there own songs at award shows. It had to have been super weird for them to be watching Carrie sing their songs when they could do it themselves??? And I hate to bring this up but if you do not give the new girls a chance Carrie and Miranda will continue to be the only females that are asked to participate in these award shows. Thank god Mickey had her spotlight, hopefully it will not be a one off. I am not say Carrie and Miranda are not worthy but they are literally the only leading females whereas the males have multiple contenders. If you do not give more women the chance for the spotlight then it will remain boring as hell when only two females are out front. Patsy Cline is alive and well and active??? Loretta doesn't perform any more due to advanced age and ill health. Barbara retired a long time ago and doesn't perform any more. Dolly, Reba, and Martina all love Carrie and I'm sure were honored she did their songs so proud. Damn!
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 17, 2020 12:11:39 GMT -5
Idk how much of the conspiracies I buy into (mad stans will always stay mad), but Andrea Williams’ tweet holds merit. And this isn’t an exclusively-Pulse or exclusively-CU stan sentiment; most news outlets recapping the night are sharing major eyerolls about the tie. It's the tie, but so many other things as well. The tie is the cherry on the shi*t pie that is the country music industry. So many women performed last night, but in the televised awards the only woman who one in a gender-less category was Carrie...and it was a tie with a dude. We can also get into the lack of airplay for women, which continues to be a huge issue (look at the top 20 right now). Let's not forget Mickey was the first woman of color to ever perform on the ACMs. It's so many things.
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Post by seak05 on Sept 17, 2020 12:43:56 GMT -5
The idea that Thomas Rhett should even be mentioned in the same breath as Carrie as an Entertainer of the year candidate is a slap in the face. And this isn't even meant as shade to Thomas, but he was the clear lightweight in that category even among the other males.
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Post by jessy on Sept 17, 2020 12:49:22 GMT -5
Well entertainer of the years sure to elevate Thomas Rhett. I’m sure he puts on a good show
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Post by liza on Sept 17, 2020 12:58:11 GMT -5
Idk how much of the conspiracies I buy into (mad stans will always stay mad), but Andrea Williams’ tweet holds merit. And this isn’t an exclusively-Pulse or exclusively-CU stan sentiment; most news outlets recapping the night are sharing major eyerolls about the tie. It's the tie, but so many other things as well. The tie is the cherry on the shi*t pie that is the country music industry. So many women performed last night, but in the televised awards the only woman who one in a gender-less category was Carrie...and it was a tie with a dude. We can also get into the lack of airplay for women, which continues to be a huge issue (look at the top 20 right now). Let's not forget Mickey was the first woman of color to ever perform on the ACMs. It's so many things. She wasn't the first woman of color to perform on the ACMs. She was the first Black woman to perform her own music on the ACMs. Valerie June performed on the ACMs with Eric.
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Post by liza on Sept 17, 2020 13:09:10 GMT -5
Idk how much of the conspiracies I buy into (mad stans will always stay mad), but Andrea Williams’ tweet holds merit. And this isn’t an exclusively-Pulse or exclusively-CU stan sentiment; most news outlets recapping the night are sharing major eyerolls about the tie. I am almost leaning the other way. That Thomas Rhett won it but the ACM’s saw how bad it would be to only have one televised female winner (in a category a female HAD to win since it was an all female award) and did the tie to avoid it being all males. Carrie deserved it regardless, but I think it’s more that way than them giving it to Rhett too so a man won as well. This talk just diminishes Carrie. The most likely scenario is that a lot votes were split between Eric and Luke Combs causing Rhett's vote number to be above theirs. The tie was dumb luck. This is why they have a third party firm (Deloitte) responsible for the tabulation. Deloitte would not risk their reputation by participating in vote rigging.
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Post by stanches2318 on Sept 17, 2020 13:17:44 GMT -5
What i am really getting sick of on social media and on here is how many people keep saying how Carrie Underwood is being mentioned highly compared to Thomas Rhett. i as a fan of both is happy they both won. Thomas Rhett is my favorite Male in music these days and Carrie's voice is one of the best. These conspiracies are BS. please stop pulling the Women cards. All the women did good last night expect for Townes and Kelsea in my opinion. women won. It's an award show some people win some lose. i thought the winners were perfect choices except for Green and Townes, but im still happy for them for getting there first awards. This is just how i feel. P.S The best performance was by a female last night which happened to be Mickey Guyton.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Sept 17, 2020 13:20:03 GMT -5
It's the tie, but so many other things as well. The tie is the cherry on the shi*t pie that is the country music industry. So many women performed last night, but in the televised awards the only woman who one in a gender-less category was Carrie...and it was a tie with a dude. We can also get into the lack of airplay for women, which continues to be a huge issue (look at the top 20 right now). Let's not forget Mickey was the first woman of color to ever perform on the ACMs. It's so many things. She wasn't the first woman of color to perform on the ACMs. She was the first Black woman to perform her own music on the ACMs. Valerie June performed on the ACMs with Eric.
Didn't Rihanna perform "California King Bed" at the ACMs years ago or did I dream that?? LOL
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Post by stanches2318 on Sept 17, 2020 13:21:33 GMT -5
She wasn't the first woman of color to perform on the ACMs. She was the first Black woman to perform her own music on the ACMs. Valerie June performed on the ACMs with Eric. Didn't Rihanna perform "California King Bed" at the ACMs years ago or did I dream that?? LOL
Thats what i thought or was that when the CMA'S when they went to NY?
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Post by tim on Sept 17, 2020 13:22:28 GMT -5
I am almost leaning the other way. That Thomas Rhett won it but the ACM’s saw how bad it would be to only have one televised female winner (in a category a female HAD to win since it was an all female award) and did the tie to avoid it being all males. Carrie deserved it regardless, but I think it’s more that way than them giving it to Rhett too so a man won as well. This talk just diminishes Carrie. The most likely scenario is that a lot votes were split between Eric and Luke Combs causing Rhett's vote number to be above theirs. The tie was dumb luck. This is more than likely the case of how Thomas Rhett was able to squeak out a win over Eric and Luke. It should also be noted that the voting bloc of the ACMs do seem to favor such artists like Thomas as he has been previously award Male Artist of the Year two times before in 2017 and 2019. The same scenario likely played out in the Song of the Year category as the votes probably got split which led to Old Dominion's "One Man Band" coming out ahead.
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Post by liza on Sept 17, 2020 13:35:54 GMT -5
She wasn't the first woman of color to perform on the ACMs. She was the first Black woman to perform her own music on the ACMs. Valerie June performed on the ACMs with Eric. Didn't Rihanna perform "California King Bed" at the ACMs years ago or did I dream that?? LOL
With Jennifer Nettles.
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Post by seak05 on Sept 17, 2020 13:43:18 GMT -5
So some of you all seem to not understand how vote splitting works. Vote splitting happens when you have one larger group that all ordinarily votes the same way, and then a second smaller group that generally votes a second way. The larger group then vote splits, while the smaller group all votes the same, and the larger group isn't so big that it can split in two and still win.
For vote splitting to be the reason for the tie in EOTY, you would have had to have 3 separate camps; the Carrie should win camp, the Thomas should win camp, and a third group who would normally vote for either Luke or Eric - but not Carrie or Thomas. So Thomas had a large voting block coming from somewhere & the ACM's has been known to be um chummy and have bloc voting (same btw with Old Dominion, although it makes more sense because Warner had three of the nominees in the category, so that would split a block)
What's more likely is that Big Machine has a big voting block at ACM's and Thomas is part of the ACM club, and he therefore received votes from that block, and then those not associated with that vote split between Carrie, Eric, and Luke - with Carrie getting the lions share. But people getting an award for reasons outside of merit, always makes the award feel cheaper
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Post by countrylass on Sept 17, 2020 13:53:18 GMT -5
I just am so confused! WHY is there a tribute sung for women who are ALIVE And WELL and are currently active in the genre??? Why are these women sitting at home and not being asked to sing there own songs at award shows. It had to have been super weird for them to be watching Carrie sing their songs when they could do it themselves??? Carrie Underwood doesn't have anything current to sing (other than Christmas music, which wouldn't fit), so it made sense for her to do a tribute performance, which I'm sure was perfectly happy to do & excited about. The women she covered are all icons who regularly get their own spotlight (Dolly and Reba co-hosted and performed at the CMAs last year, Loretta's performed in the past decade on at least one of the two shows, etc.), but who says any of these women were sitting at home upset that they were left out? There's not an infinite amount of time to just have everybody perform on every awards show, and I'm sure given the circumstances many artists couldn't or didn't want to. I'm sure Dolly Parton was not shedding any salt that Carrie Underwood was on the TV singing her song while she was at home, etc.
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Post by matty005 on Sept 17, 2020 13:53:36 GMT -5
I am almost leaning the other way. That Thomas Rhett won it but the ACM’s saw how bad it would be to only have one televised female winner (in a category a female HAD to win since it was an all female award) and did the tie to avoid it being all males. Carrie deserved it regardless, but I think it’s more that way than them giving it to Rhett too so a man won as well. This talk just diminishes Carrie. The most likely scenario is that a lot votes were split between Eric and Luke Combs causing Rhett's vote number to be above theirs. The tie was dumb luck. This is why they have a third party firm (Deloitte) responsible for the tabulation. Deloitte would not risk their reputation by participating in vote rigging. Then the other train of thought diminishes Thomas. I just think if there is a conspiracy, it's them giving Carrie the award to avoid backlash. I highly doubt they thought, "We can't let only a woman with this award, we have to give it to a man too." That is what I was replying to.
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Post by 14887fan on Sept 17, 2020 13:58:29 GMT -5
What i am really getting sick of on social media and on here is how many people keep saying how Carrie Underwood is being mentioned highly compared to Thomas Rhett. i as a fan of both is happy they both won. Thomas Rhett is my favorite Male in music these days and Carrie's voice is one of the best. These conspiracies are BS. please stop pulling the Women cards. All the women did good last night expect for Townes and Kelsea in my opinion. women won. It's an award show some people win some lose. i thought the winners were perfect choices except for Green and Townes, but im still happy for them for getting there first awards. This is just how i feel. P.S The best performance was by a female last night which happened to be Mickey Guyton. lol the “women card” Awful.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 17, 2020 14:57:12 GMT -5
It's the tie, but so many other things as well. The tie is the cherry on the shi*t pie that is the country music industry. So many women performed last night, but in the televised awards the only woman who one in a gender-less category was Carrie...and it was a tie with a dude. We can also get into the lack of airplay for women, which continues to be a huge issue (look at the top 20 right now). Let's not forget Mickey was the first woman of color to ever perform on the ACMs. It's so many things. She wasn't the first woman of color to perform on the ACMs. She was the first Black woman to perform her own music on the ACMs. Valerie June performed on the ACMs with Eric. You know what I meant. That clarification doesn't make the situation any better. I'm sure there have been BIPOC backing singers as well. Not the same thing as a woman of color getting to perform her original music on her own.
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Post by austin on Sept 17, 2020 14:58:12 GMT -5
Even though I like Thomas and was happy for him, for the ACM eligibility period there is really no case for him as the ETOY over Eric or Carrie, and I am thrilled Carrie won it (even if it was as a co-champ). But I kinda tend to lean with the above, that if there is a conspiracy theory that holds merit its that Thomas won outright, and the ACMs didn't want the backlash and had Carrie tie with him. There is no chance Carrie won alone and they forced a male into a tie with her.
I don't think Carrie is your CMA Entertainer based on their eligibility window. Miranda has a stronger case as far as Females go (IMO), but for ACMs Carrie really was a favorite.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 17, 2020 14:59:45 GMT -5
Even though I like Thomas and was happy for him, for the ACM eligibility period there is really no case for him as the ETOY over Eric or Carrie, and I am thrilled Carrie won it (even if it was as a co-champ). But I kinda tend to lean with the above, that if there is a conspiracy theory that holds merit its that Thomas won outright, and the ACMs didn't want the backlash and had Carrie tie with him. There is no chance Carrie won alone and they forced a male into a tie with her. I don't think Carrie is your CMA Entertainer based on their eligibility window. Miranda has a stronger case as far as Females go (IMO), but for ACMs Carrie really was a favorite. What was the eligibility year for this one? Didn't Carrie have her Cry Pretty tour during the year, as well as a couple top 10 hits?
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Post by raylatch98 on Sept 17, 2020 15:10:21 GMT -5
Am I the only one who doesn't believe any of these conspiracies and just thinks it was a legit tie?
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Post by tim on Sept 17, 2020 15:11:05 GMT -5
Even though I like Thomas and was happy for him, for the ACM eligibility period there is really no case for him as the ETOY over Eric or Carrie, and I am thrilled Carrie won it (even if it was as a co-champ). But I kinda tend to lean with the above, that if there is a conspiracy theory that holds merit its that Thomas won outright, and the ACMs didn't want the backlash and had Carrie tie with him. There is no chance Carrie won alone and they forced a male into a tie with her. I don't think Carrie is your CMA Entertainer based on their eligibility window. Miranda has a stronger case as far as Females go (IMO), but for ACMs Carrie really was a favorite. What was the eligibility year for this one? Didn't Carrie have her Cry Pretty tour during the year, as well as a couple top 10 hits? The eligibility period for the 2020 CMA Awards was July 1, 2019 to June 30, 2020 with Carrie's tour ending in October of 2019. While this does somewhat encompass that period, the timeframe of her tour and the Cry Pretty era in general more or less correlates mostly to the CMA Awards last year (hence why she should've won Entertainer then). I agree with austin , though, that this year's CMA Entertainer is likely between Miranda and Luke.
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Post by stanches2318 on Sept 17, 2020 15:43:23 GMT -5
I love "Bluebird" but i dont see Miranda as an Entertainer.
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