Billboard Hot 100: 03/07/2020

[renaboss]

There was some outrage at the last UK #1 of the decade being given to Ellie instead of Mariah cos apparently they did the math wrong, but nothing was ever rectified and no official explanation was provided. What are the chances of Billboard actually rectifying a possible mistake? That's never happened before, has it?

[spicymapping]

Mar 2, 2020 18:50:27 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Mar 2, 2020 18:42:39 GMT -5 iggyamo said:

The problem with that is that the sales chart definitely does not represent the hot 100, if they actually listened to ARMY, we would’ve gotten album bombs from Lionel Richie and Celine Dion. Are you going to tell me that a Lionel Richie album bomb in 2019 accurately represents the charts as well as rich children buying several copies of the same album.

Yet we count repeat listens from rapid fans that count just because they’re streamed. Why shouldn’t albums from acts of yesteryear count just because they’re older? If older people are buying music, clearly that music is still popular among a demographic that should be counted toward the chart. Why should streamed music count toward both charts but purchased music not?

we count repeat streams with the asterisk that every one counts 250 times less than a sale. 

[strongerq]

purchased music already counts for both charts (purchased singles). They count for Hot 100 and BB200.

Streaming 1:1 Pure sales

Album purchase counting for the Hot 100 is ridiculous.

What is next include radio for the Billboard 200 ?

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Mar 2, 2020 18:54:56 GMT -5 spicymapping said:

Mar 2, 2020 18:50:27 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Yet we count repeat listens from rapid fans that count just because they’re streamed. Why shouldn’t albums from acts of yesteryear count just because they’re older? If older people are buying music, clearly that music is still popular among a demographic that should be counted toward the chart. Why should streamed music count toward both charts but purchased music not?

we count repeat streams with the asterisk that every one counts 250 times less than a sale. 

They still count 🤷🏼‍♂️

[areyoureadytojump]

#1 trending on Twitter in the USA:

twitter.com/search?q=%23BillboardRecalculate&src=trend_click

#BillboardRecalculate

[iggyamo]

Mar 2, 2020 18:45:49 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Mar 2, 2020 18:42:39 GMT -5 iggyamo said:

The problem with that is that the sales chart definitely does not represent the hot 100, if they actually listened to ARMY, we would’ve gotten album bombs from Lionel Richie and Celine Dion. Are you going to tell me that a Lionel Richie album bomb in 2019 accurately represents the charts as well as rich children buying several copies of the same album.

If Lionel Richie is selling well in 2019, why not? 'Cause he's an old artist? Just seems like yet another way through which the music industry is ageist. So Drake can break record upon record while he's hot but legacy artists aren't allowed to extend theirs? And I definitely don't get your last argument, how is one person buying several copies of one album more representative of what's popular than several people buying one copy each? Maybe you just phrased it wrong, but I'm confused.

It’s because Lionel Richie is getting album sales purely from ticket sales to see him perform older hits, I even know a couple people who went to the show that didn’t even bother listening to it. In reality he isn’t selling well, he’s just selling tickets. Also I probably phrased the last one weird, because we all know that people are buying several copies of the new BTS album to intentionally gain the system, so when it’s that easy to do that, why add the manipulation to the hot 100 in addition to the manipulation of the sales chart with essentially a free album with the purchase of something with some relation.

[gs]

Mar 2, 2020 18:46:41 GMT -5 moonlite said:

Apparently they’re mad because BB “only” gave On 18 million while HDD had it at 11m and YT had it at 11m. So they think BB is stealing some of their stream. They think this is some conspiracy against BTS, even though this happens to a lot of songs.

Life Is Good is another notable example of a lot of missing streams. But I don't know how BB is calculating streams after the UGC change, it's odd.

[iHype.]

Mar 2, 2020 18:52:25 GMT -5 renaboss said:

There was some outrage at the last UK #1 of the decade being given to Ellie instead of Mariah cos apparently they did the math wrong, but nothing was ever rectified and no official explanation was provided. What are the chances of Billboard actually rectifying a possible mistake? That's never happened before, has it?

How are you not familiar with the High by the Beach gate? Lol.

And there is no 'mistake' Billboard made with BTS this week. They're just dumb rabid stans who aren't happy with the position and demand a recount.

[lurker2]

Mar 2, 2020 19:14:00 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Mar 2, 2020 18:52:25 GMT -5 renaboss said:

There was some outrage at the last UK #1 of the decade being given to Ellie instead of Mariah cos apparently they did the math wrong, but nothing was ever rectified and no official explanation was provided. What are the chances of Billboard actually rectifying a possible mistake? That's never happened before, has it?

How are you not familiar with the High by the Beach gate? Lol.

And there is no 'mistake' Billboard made with BTS this week. They're just dumb rabid stans who aren't happy with the position and demand a recount.

And didn’t Billboard waffle back and forth a little on whether DUMMY BOY or ASTROWORLD went number one?

[kanimal]

The Lionel Richie/Celine Dion comment makes for a funny post, but it's not applicable as they didn't really sell any tracks. BTS definitely did something special on the track sales front for this climate - and I could frankly understand some anger over the charts not reflecting it.

But that's not the issue - the issue is Billboard combining an errant comment about the video with very suspect-looking streaming data. There's no way that's going to fly. 

[fhas]

Life Is Good's first week was much worse than this:

BuzzAngle reported 52.6M on-demand audio streams

YouTube Charts reported 17.9M overall streams (13.5M official video + 4.4M UGC)

Pandora reported 2.6M streams

That's 68.7M and I'm not even counting UGC streams (4.4M).

Billboard's numbers? 50.7M...

[iggyamo]

Mar 2, 2020 18:50:27 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Mar 2, 2020 18:42:39 GMT -5 iggyamo said:

The problem with that is that the sales chart definitely does not represent the hot 100, if they actually listened to ARMY, we would’ve gotten album bombs from Lionel Richie and Celine Dion. Are you going to tell me that a Lionel Richie album bomb in 2019 accurately represents the charts as well as rich children buying several copies of the same album.

Yet we count repeat listens from rapid fans that count just because they’re streamed. Why shouldn’t albums from acts of yesteryear count just because they’re older? If older people are buying music, clearly that music is still popular among a demographic that should be counted toward the chart. Why should streamed music count toward both charts but purchased music not?

So if I purchase a ticket to go see The Rolling Stones that happens to be bundled with an album, not only does me buying count as an album sale, but it should count as me buying each individual song off the album when I may or may not know I even bought the album as well as not caring. I bought a ticket to see them play their classic songs which they advertised and there’s a good chance I didn’t even know they released an album.

I just cannot see how this situation multiplied by the number of people who did this should result in an album bomb since very few people actually listened to the album.

[Naos]

Mar 2, 2020 19:04:38 GMT -5 strongerq said:

purchased music already counts for both charts (purchased singles). They count for Hot 100 and BB200.

Streaming 1:1 Pure sales

Album purchase counting for the Hot 100 is ridiculous.

What is next include radio for the Billboard 200 ?

The problem with the streaming system is that you don't have to listen to any song except for one on the album and that counts. A song's popularity directly contributes to the album's popularity, but not vice-versa. You can have a hugely popular album, but your songs won't be considered popular. Having a hit song means you can have a popular album.

[forg]

Mar 2, 2020 18:25:53 GMT -5 spicymapping said:

Billboard Recalculate is trending on twitter because BTS fans are sure billboard is working against them. I'm confused.

Billboard has been their #1 champion since BTS started to break in the US. Those countless articles and tweets even before they became really a thing in the US, every single minor achievement, Billboard hyped it like crazy lol. So it's funny to think their fans are now feeling Billboard is against them. BTS at Hot 100 #1 would make Billboard hype it to death.

#4 debut is very impressive but they had no fighting chance against the top 3 which are monsters in streaming and/or airplay.

[Naos]

Mar 2, 2020 19:26:30 GMT -5 forg said:

Mar 2, 2020 18:25:53 GMT -5 spicymapping said:

Billboard Recalculate is trending on twitter because BTS fans are sure billboard is working against them. I'm confused.

Billboard has been their #1 champion since BTS started to break in the US. Those countless articles and tweets even before they became really a thing in the US, every single minor achievement, Billboard hyped it like crazy lol. So it's funny to think their fans are now feeling Billboard is against them. BTS at Hot 100 #1 would make Billboard hype it to death.

#4 debut is very impressive but they had no fighting chance against the top 3 which are monsters in streaming and airplay.

Yeah, Billboard loves BTS. A bit too much, honestly.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Mar 2, 2020 19:04:38 GMT -5 strongerq said:

purchased music already counts for both charts (purchased singles). They count for Hot 100 and BB200.

Streaming 1:1 Pure sales

Album purchase counting for the Hot 100 is ridiculous.

What is next include radio for the Billboard 200 ?

Slippery slope.

Why is it ridiculous? If I stream a full album it will count toward both. If I buy an album and listen to it all the way through, it will count toward the album chart.

Isn’t it true that a single could get millions of streams in a week and it would be enough to propel the patent album up the album chart, even if not one other track from it gets any play at all. So why not apply a basic minimal point value from an album sale that would only count once for each track.

It just seems silly to me that an album with 100k equivalent streams has a higher showing on the singles chart than a new Adele album that sells a million physical copies.

[spicymapping]

Life is good is hilarious because while billboard has been underestimating it, RS has been giving it sales that it.... does not have. If you give the biggest benefit of a doubt to RS and say that every single stream of LIG is paid, you get a sales total for this week of 23,567 copies sold which is... a bit off to say the least.

[nathanalbright]

Call me old fashioned, but I don't think that streams should count for sales, as they are more like "personal radio" play than they are like physical sales purchases. But when you count streams as sales, then those artists that are stronger on physical copies have a case to be made that their tracks should not be penalized either since people bought them and can play them whenever they want (if they want). Ideally, stans should be encouraged to buy physical copies and then stream the songs that they like the best over and over again to game the system appropriately, but not all stans are educated enough to do this properly.

[strongerq]

Well if we use some reverse logic, 1 album sale should count as 1/10th of a single for all songs. So 10 albums sold is 1 single sale for all of the songs on the album. So every songs from the BTS album will get 35K+ singles units. Is this what you have in mind ? ?
So Adele sells 1M with 12 song album that is 100K sales for each song, with streaming added Adele will have the top 12 songs on the Hot 100.

I still don't agree with this just curious on the implementation.

Edit: You still have the people buying an album because of 1 song and that will inflate the sales on all other songs when in fact it shouldn't.

Anyways pure sales are dying so in a few years they will be irrelevant, streaming is already at 80%+

[areyoureadytojump]

Streaming is the music business now. It has to count for the charts.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Weeks in the top 10

Circles 26
Someone You Loved 25
Memories 17
Roxanne 14
Dance Monkey 10
The Box 9
Life Is Good 7
Don't Start Now 5
Blinding Lights 2
ON 1

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Mar 2, 2020 19:51:55 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Well if we use some reverse logic, 1 album sale should count as 1/10th of a single for all songs. So 10 albums sold is 1 single sale for all of the songs on the album. So every songs from the BTS album will get 35K+ singles units. Is this what you have in mind ? ?
So Adele sells 1M with 12 song album that is 100K sales for each song, with streaming added Adele will have the top 12 songs on the Hot 100.

I still don't agree with this just curious on the implementation.

Edit: You still have the people buying an album because of 1 song and that will inflate the sales on all other songs when in fact it shouldn't.

Anyways pure sales are dying so in a few years they will be irrelevant, streaming is already at 80%+

Adjust the numbers accordingly as that’s pretty high but yeah, pretty much. They’d only count for a single week anyway.

If Adele sold a million copies, she’s going to be the big news of the week so I’d say it’s fair to say she’d have a major album bomb for that week.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Mar 2, 2020 18:46:18 GMT -5 spicymapping said:

Also, no one gets an album bomb with “several hundred thousand streams”. SFSS got an album bomb this week with over 100 million streams so yes, the current system is fine.

You’re right for sure but I meant equivalent album units so my argument remains.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Mar 2, 2020 19:18:48 GMT -5 iggyamo said:

I just cannot see how this situation multiplied by the number of people who did this should result in an album bomb since very few people actually listened to the album.

How well did 7 by Nas X do?

[Naos]

Mar 2, 2020 19:53:34 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

Streaming is the music business now. It has to count for the charts.

I don't think most people say it shouldn't.

[mikeymonster]

Updated chart runs for this week's top 10 (as well as where each song has peaked on each metric, thus far): 

The Box (sales: #7, radio: #8, streaming: #1) 
47 - 18 - 13 - 3 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 

Life Is Good (sales: #1, radio: #17, streaming: #2) 
2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 

Circles (sales: #1, radio: #1, streaming: #2) 
7 - 4 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 6 - 4 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 3 - 5 - 1 - 3 - 3 - 4 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 

On (sales: #1, radio: N/A, streaming: #12) 
4 - 

Don't Start Now (sales: #6, radio: #2, streaming: #10) 
30 - 46 - 42 - 37 - 42 - 42 - 42 - 52 - 21 - 14 - 14 - 15 - 9 - 9 - 6 - 5 - 5 - 

Roxanne (sales: #10, radio: #4, streaming: #1)
34 - 27 - 12 - 5 - 7 - 6 - 4 - 6 - 5 - 9 - 9 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 7 - 6 - 6 - 

Dance Monkey (sales: #2, radio: #11, streaming: #4)
96 - 75 - 51 - 41 - 23 - 23 - 19 - 11 - 13 - 9 - 11 - 14 - 7 - 7 - 8 - 7 - 7 - 5 - 5 - 4 - 7 - 

Blinding Lights (sales: #2, radio: #15, streaming: #4) 
11 - 52 - 63 - 72 - 59 - 39 - 32 - 21 - 18 - 15 - 12 - 10 - 8 - 

Memories (sales: #1, radio: #1, streaming: #16)
22 - 29 - 20 - 12 - 11 - 11 - 9 - 5 - 4 - 4 - 5 - 7 - 7 - 9 - 2 - 4 - 4 - 5 - 4 - 4 - 4 - 7 - 9 - 

Someone You Loved (sales: #2, radio: #1, streaming: #7)
85 - 80 - 70 - 58 - 55 - 54 - 53 - 46 - 36 - 26 - 20 - 18 - 17 - 14 - 11 - 13 - 11 - 9 - 4 - 3 - 3 - 5 - 3 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 4 - 4 - 8 - 8 - 4 - 6 - 6 - 8 - 5 - 6 - 8 - 8 - 10 -  

[Naos]

"Shake The Room" by Pop Smoke featuring Quavo debuts at #93.

[forg]

I was about to post Someone You Loved charted in every single position in the top 10 but then I noticed it missed #7 lol.

Circles only needs to chart at #10 to make it.

[Naos]

Bubbling Under:
1. Surfaces - Sunday Best (+14)
2. Luke Combs - Does to Me (+3)
3. Thomas Rhett - Beer Can't Fix (+6)
4. YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Suited Panamera (debut)
5. YoungBoy Never Broke Again - How You Want It (debut)
6. BTS - Louder Than Bombs (debut)
7. BTS - UGH! (debut)
8. SZA & Justin Timberlake - The Other Side (debut)
9. YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Okay (debut)
10. Powfu - death bed (debut)
11. YoungBoy Never Broke Again - No Understand (debut)
12. Pop Smoke - Welcome to the Party (re-entry)
13. Brent Faiyaz - Trust (debut)
14. YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Call Me Late (debut)
15. JP Saxe - If The World Was Ending (+1)
16. BTS - Friends (debut)
17. Flipp Dinero - How I Move (=)
18. TOKYO'S REVENGE - Goodmorningtokyo! (+1)
19. 24kGoldn - City of Angels (debut)
20. BTS - We Are Bulletproof : The Eternal (debut)
21. BTS - 00:00 (Zero O’Clock) (debut)
22. K Camp - Lottery (+1)
23. BTS - Inner Child (debut)
24. Kenny Chesney - Here And Now (debut)
25. YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Gunsmoke (debut)

[korbel16]

Somehow i feel like the same people who were rooting for SYL to go top 10 were the same people who dispise it now and want it drop off the charts...