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Post by jab820 on Apr 23, 2020 17:13:43 GMT -5
I wonder if the title is holding it back, too. "What The Hell Did I Say" from Dierks Bentley stalled out below the top 40, and I remember there being a lot of talk that using 'hell' and 'damn' in "Speak To A Girl" (especially 'hell' being in the chorus) caused a lot of programmers to hesitate on it, causing it to stall out in the bottom of the top 20. Not saying that will be the case here, but I do wonder if it's a bit of a factor. Not saying I agree (I think it's ridiculous, tbh), but I do wonder if that is playing into it a bit. Probably a little bit but it’s mostly the fact that “The Bones” is such a huge song. The biggest of Maren’s career thus far (out side of “The Middle,” of course). This is also not doing poorly. "The Bones" had a slow-ish start, too, and people worried it wasn't going to take off. Maren just isn't to the point yet (even though she should be) where her songs jolt into the top 30 in a couple of weeks. Can someone compare how this song is doing at this point in its chart run in comparison to some of her other songs? raylatch98 you can usually do this pretty quick.
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Post by raylatch98 on Apr 23, 2020 17:32:13 GMT -5
Probably a little bit but it’s mostly the fact that “The Bones” is such a huge song. The biggest of Maren’s career thus far (out side of “The Middle,” of course). This is also not doing poorly. "The Bones" had a slow-ish start, too, and people worried it wasn't going to take off. Maren just isn't to the point yet (even though she should be) where her songs jolt into the top 30 in a couple of weeks. Can someone compare how this song is doing at this point in its chart run in comparison to some of her other songs? raylatch98 you can usually do this pretty quick. Okay so I decided to see 3 weeks in on Billboard where were "I Could Use A Love Song" and "Rich" were "I Could Use A Love Song #47 "Rich #50
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Post by jab820 on Apr 24, 2020 13:07:16 GMT -5
This is also not doing poorly. "The Bones" had a slow-ish start, too, and people worried it wasn't going to take off. Maren just isn't to the point yet (even though she should be) where her songs jolt into the top 30 in a couple of weeks. Can someone compare how this song is doing at this point in its chart run in comparison to some of her other songs? raylatch98 you can usually do this pretty quick. Okay so I decided to see 3 weeks in on Billboard where were "I Could Use A Love Song" and "Rich" were "I Could Use A Love Song #47 "Rich #50 Okay, so it's right in line with these singles (#49 this week). These two singles also weren't battling enormous recurrent spins. I am optimistic this song will do fine, it will just take a bit.
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Post by seak05 on Apr 24, 2020 14:34:12 GMT -5
Maren has a lot of momentum right now, but the recent track record of songs with “hell” in them has been dismal. It’s not as pronounced in this one though
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Post by Au$tin on May 9, 2020 14:16:37 GMT -5
I just heard this on the radio and it sounds incredible on the radio. That chorus hits just right and in the middle of other current and recurrent hits it really feels already timeless. I hope this smashes because wow it's been a long while since a song becoming a single vastly changed my opinion on its potential (last time was probably "Side to Side").
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 22:30:12 GMT -5
I adore this song and consider it to be a standout on GIRL, but am now a bit trepidatious regarding how well it’ll impact radio in the long run. I have no doubt that it’ll ‘technically’ perform to standard and perhaps even reach #1, but I think coming off the massive success of “The Bones” is going to present difficulties for this song rather than riding a wave of momentum, regardless of its predecessor having finally gone recurrent. They had to practically evict the song from the charts.
I think finding a proper follow-up to a song of that caliber is a challenge for any artist, regardless of gender, and relies heavily on slowly introducing it into rotation and feeling out audience reception. It’ll gain in spins in time, but the bigger concern is how well it’ll connect with listeners overall.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on May 11, 2020 11:02:43 GMT -5
I adore this song and consider it to be a standout on GIRL, but am now a bit trepidatious regarding how well it’ll impact radio in the long run. I have no doubt that it’ll ‘technically’ perform to standard and perhaps even reach #1, but I think coming off the massive success of “The Bones” is going to present difficulties for this song rather than riding a wave of momentum, regardless of its predecessor having finally gone recurrent. They had to practically evict the song from the charts. I think finding a proper follow-up to a song of that caliber is a challenge for any artist, regardless of gender, and relies heavily on slowly introducing it into rotation and feeling out audience reception. It’ll gain in spins in time, but the bigger concern is how well it’ll connect with listeners overall. I beg to differ. I don't think a male artist wouldn't be having this issue. Luke Combs, for instance, is capable of sending a new single fast up the charts even when the previous single is receiving strong recurrent play. Literally every single immediately charts after the previous one peaks. Sam Hunt is another example. Kinfolks has a strong recurrent airplay (only a few million impressions behind The Bones), and he already has another song in the Top 10. This is all while To Hell & Back is STILL struggling to reach Top 50 (at least on Mediabase)....
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 11:48:12 GMT -5
I adore this song and consider it to be a standout on GIRL, but am now a bit trepidatious regarding how well it’ll impact radio in the long run. I have no doubt that it’ll ‘technically’ perform to standard and perhaps even reach #1, but I think coming off the massive success of “The Bones” is going to present difficulties for this song rather than riding a wave of momentum, regardless of its predecessor having finally gone recurrent. They had to practically evict the song from the charts. I think finding a proper follow-up to a song of that caliber is a challenge for any artist, regardless of gender, and relies heavily on slowly introducing it into rotation and feeling out audience reception. It’ll gain in spins in time, but the bigger concern is how well it’ll connect with listeners overall. I beg to differ. I don't think a male artist wouldn't be having this issue. Luke Combs, for instance, is capable of sending a new single fast up the charts even when the previous single is receiving strong recurrent play. Literally every single immediately charts after the previous one peaks. Sam Hunt is another example. Kinfolks has a strong recurrent airplay (only a few million impressions behind The Bones), and he already has another song in the Top 10. This is all while To Hell & Back is STILL struggling to reach Top 50 (at least on Mediabase).... That may be the case, but “Beer Never Broke My Heart” wasn’t the massive success that “Beautiful Crazy” was, and “Kinfolks” wasn’t necessarily a smash in itself. Neither single made impressionable strides in the long run. I’m speaking exclusively to an artist being immediately able to capture the same high-caliber of success, single after single. Sometimes it takes time. No need to be aggressive.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on May 11, 2020 14:19:52 GMT -5
I beg to differ. I don't think a male artist wouldn't be having this issue. Luke Combs, for instance, is capable of sending a new single fast up the charts even when the previous single is receiving strong recurrent play. Literally every single immediately charts after the previous one peaks. Sam Hunt is another example. Kinfolks has a strong recurrent airplay (only a few million impressions behind The Bones), and he already has another song in the Top 10. This is all while To Hell & Back is STILL struggling to reach Top 50 (at least on Mediabase).... That may be the case, but “Beer Never Broke My Heart” wasn’t the massive success that “Beautiful Crazy” was, and “Kinfolks” wasn’t necessarily a smash in itself. Neither single made impressionable strides in the long run. I’m speaking exclusively to an artist being immediately able to capture the same high-caliber of success, single after single. Sometimes it takes time. No need to be aggressive. First, I want to apologize! I wasn’t trying to be aggressive. So I truly apologize if my tone came off like I was. I do see what you’re saying. I just think sometimes gender can have a part in this. Male artists send their songs up the charts effortlessly and in a timely manner, obtaining hit after hit. Meanwhile, it’s harder for female artists. It would take forever for them to make strides.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 14:24:02 GMT -5
That may be the case, but “Beer Never Broke My Heart” wasn’t the massive success that “Beautiful Crazy” was, and “Kinfolks” wasn’t necessarily a smash in itself. Neither single made impressionable strides in the long run. I’m speaking exclusively to an artist being immediately able to capture the same high-caliber of success, single after single. Sometimes it takes time. No need to be aggressive. First, I want to apologize! I wasn’t trying to be aggressive. So I truly apologize if my tone came off like I was. I do see what you’re saying. I just think sometimes gender can have a part in this. Male artists send their songs up the charts effortlessly and in a timely manner, obtaining hit after hit. Meanwhile, it’s harder for female artists. It would take forever for them to make strides. No worries, I was reading your reply and wasn’t sure if there was a subtext there. 😂 I do agree with you to that point. Even Kenny Chesney was able to obtain massive hit after massive hit in the 2000s. I just wonder if “The Bones” is somehow going to hold Maren back rather than propel her forward, as counterintuitive as that sounds.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on May 11, 2020 14:54:05 GMT -5
First, I want to apologize! I wasn’t trying to be aggressive. So I truly apologize if my tone came off like I was. I do see what you’re saying. I just think sometimes gender can have a part in this. Male artists send their songs up the charts effortlessly and in a timely manner, obtaining hit after hit. Meanwhile, it’s harder for female artists. It would take forever for them to make strides. No worries, I was reading your reply and wasn’t sure if there was a subtext there. 😂 I do agree with you to that point. Even Kenny Chesney was able to obtain massive hit after massive hit in the 2000s. I just wonder if “The Bones” is somehow going to hold Maren back rather than propel her forward, as counterintuitive as that sounds. Agreed. I wonder if this would've been off to a better start if they had waited a little more before sending this out. Either way, I do hope this will start making some movement!
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Post by raylatch98 on May 11, 2020 15:22:28 GMT -5
I will say this songs chart run and performance so far is giving me flashbacks to "I'd Be Jealous Too" by Dustin Lynch, in the sense of a huge single that really puts them out there on the map ("Small Town Boy" for Dustin and "The Bones" for Maren Morris) but that song's recurrent airplay becomes too much for the followup single to overcome and the followup ends up flopping.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on May 11, 2020 15:31:21 GMT -5
I will say this songs chart run and performance so far is giving me flashbacks to "I'd Be Jealous Too" by Dustin Lynch, in the sense of a huge single that really puts them out there on the map ("Small Town Boy" for Dustin and "The Bones" for Maren Morris) but that song's recurrent airplay becomes too much for the followup single to overcome and the followup ends up flopping. I see what you’re saying, but “I’d Be Jealous Too” was an absolutely terrible single choice. Fighting the recurrent play of “Small Town Boy” was the main issue, but the inaccessibility of the song exacerbated it and ultimately led to its demise.
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Post by raylatch98 on May 11, 2020 20:46:10 GMT -5
I will say this songs chart run and performance so far is giving me flashbacks to "I'd Be Jealous Too" by Dustin Lynch, in the sense of a huge single that really puts them out there on the map ("Small Town Boy" for Dustin and "The Bones" for Maren Morris) but that song's recurrent airplay becomes too much for the followup single to overcome and the followup ends up flopping. I see what you’re saying, but “I’d Be Jealous Too” was an absolutely terrible single choice. Fighting the recurrent play of “Small Town Boy” was the main issue, but the inaccessibility of the song exacerbated it and ultimately led to its demise. Fair enough, but back to "To Hell & Back" since that comparison I made, the more I think of it does look kind of artificial. I am now starting to get real antsy with how well this song will do especially given the fact that lesser named female artists in Lindsay Ell and Tenille Arts re-passed her and out of the six weeks this has been on the chart so far 2 have been without a bullet. The good news for Maren Morris is that she did pick up 8 adds on Mediabase, but the start for this song is just so tepid.
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Post by gonecountry on May 11, 2020 20:59:40 GMT -5
I'm wondering if you can have Hell in your title and be played on country radio? What The Hell Did I Say (Dierks), Straight to Hell (Darius, Luke, Jason and Charles).
I do think the recurrent play can hold back the follow-up single at times. Throw in the word "hell"....
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 11, 2020 21:55:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I never thought this was a standout on the album and I was surprised it was chosen as a single, but now I'm also getting a little worried as well. I think several options on the album would be top 40 for her already right now, like "A Song for Everything" or "All My Favorite People." This one toiling on the cusp of top 50 like it is currently isn't very promising, though I know radio was going to be slow to switch over from a hit as big as "The Bones" no matter what she released next.
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Post by superdave3556 on May 12, 2020 9:01:39 GMT -5
I'm wondering if you can have Hell in your title and be played on country radio? What The Hell Did I Say (Dierks), Straight to Hell (Darius, Luke, Jason and Charles). I do think the recurrent play can hold back the follow-up single at times. Throw in the word "hell".... It is kind of ironic that songs with "Hell" in the title are struggling on today's radio, when in the past that didn't seem to matter. Hank Williams Jr.'s "Whiskey Bent and Hell Bound" reached #2 and T. Graham Brown - "Hell And High Water" topped the charts in the 80s and Montgomery Gentry's "Hell Yeah" went to #4 in 2003.
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Post by seak05 on May 12, 2020 10:04:38 GMT -5
Yeah, look at Hell Right by Blake, that song went nowhere (for a top male) and Blake had multi-week #1's on either side of it, and is a guy. Hell just seems to DoA at country radio right now.
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Post by ClevelandRox on May 12, 2020 10:36:52 GMT -5
Yall are forgetting Pulse favorite Rodney Atkins, with If You're Going Through Hell
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Post by raylatch98 on May 12, 2020 10:46:46 GMT -5
Yall are forgetting Pulse favorite Rodney Atkins, with If You're Going Through Hell TBF that was released in 2006 when the climate in country radio was so much more different back then. I do think it is fair to say in the most modern era of country music (2016 onwards) the word hell in a title is a borderline death sentence
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Post by HeyHeyHey on May 18, 2020 20:13:58 GMT -5
I like this song well enough but with they went with “All My Favorite People”! That song is such a jam and I think would be moving up quicker than this one on the chart.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 20:33:19 GMT -5
I like this song well enough but with they went with “All My Favorite People”! That song is such a jam and I think would be moving up quicker than this one on the chart. I think that timing had a lot to do with “All My Favorite People” not yet having been released to country radio. She performed the song over “GIRL” at the 2019 ACM Awards with The Brothers Osborne in tow, which could have indicated one of two things: Either the show producers were trying to combine stage time for acts (although, slightly unlikely given how well both the song and GIRL album were doing at the time) or that the track was meant to be single #2. When Maren announced her pregnancy, however, that may have muddied the label’s action plan. While Maren herself is a decidedly liberal musician, country radio still skews towards the conservative. “All My Favorite People” isn’t the kind of song that well-represents an expectant or new mother. So, they utilized a backup plan and released an instant grat track in its place: “The Bones.” Regarding her image, “To Hell & Back” boasts the most sentimentality for Maren on the album, edging out “A Song for Everything” on the merit of it being an overtly personal track. It balances her narrative edge with vulnerability that many of her radio singles haven’t had. Furthermore, because it’s not a feature track, she may not be compelled to promote it as aggressively as she would if other artists’ names were attached to it. I expect “All My Favorite People” to be single #4, when it will be a little bit more comfortable to weigh against her motherhood status.
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Post by HeyHeyHey on May 18, 2020 21:05:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the response! Good points made, also “The Bones” is still just so massive. I still hear it every day lol. I heard this one over the weekend and was glad to hear a non-“The Bones” Maren song (not that I don’t like that song, I just want this to do well)!
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Post by SHOOTER on May 20, 2020 1:19:01 GMT -5
I randomly heard this playing on the restaurant radio when I went out to pick up dinner and I must say it really does grab the ear in such a subtle way. I echo the sentiments of not realizing how radio-friendly a choice this was until it actually became a single. I hope it's another smash!
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Post by fearlessarrow on May 21, 2020 10:38:20 GMT -5
Reaches the top 50 in the rolling update on MB today.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on May 21, 2020 12:27:32 GMT -5
This got off to a slow start but the bullet is looking solid now so I remain optimistic!
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Post by austin on May 21, 2020 13:45:20 GMT -5
I think the recurrent airplay for 'The Bones' was the biggest obstacle and as that declines the road should be easier for this one. This song isn't as immediate as something like 'All My Favorite People,' either, so it was easier for radio to stay on 'The Bones' for now.
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Post by jab820 on May 21, 2020 17:35:44 GMT -5
I think the recurrent airplay for 'The Bones' was the biggest obstacle and as that declines the road should be easier for this one. This song isn't as immediate as something like 'All My Favorite People,' either, so it was easier for radio to stay on 'The Bones' for now. Exactly this. I truly think ANY single choice following "The Bones" would be having the recurrent problem that this song is having, with the sole exception of "All My Favorite People" which radio has been itching at since its release.
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Post by Caviar on May 21, 2020 18:19:44 GMT -5
Her single choices have been spot on. Another gem.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 21, 2020 20:56:21 GMT -5
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