dovahduck
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Kavinsky finally dropped! :)
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Post by dovahduck on Mar 23, 2020 12:46:39 GMT -5
#2! Let's go Abel!
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Post by lazer on Mar 23, 2020 12:48:04 GMT -5
I refuse to believe SYL is more popular than Say So.
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kalmanta
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Post by kalmanta on Mar 23, 2020 12:48:50 GMT -5
16,000 for the Digital Sales #1 (Blinding Lights) is a new record-low. Yep I raised my eyebrows when I read that, honestly sales are becoming more and more irrelevant. I‘m quiet intrigued to know when Billboard‘s gonna erase this chart from the Hot 100 formula. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Mar 23, 2020 12:50:51 GMT -5
Let's see how fast we can get that full chart to leak  . |
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Enigma.
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 23, 2020 12:51:55 GMT -5
Ooh Memories didn't return to top ten after all. Circles still strong for the top ten record.
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failstoner
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Post by failstoner on Mar 23, 2020 13:00:15 GMT -5
Although Covid-19 is hindering Weeknd's album performance, the album release date perfectly aligns with the Blinding Light's rapid chart climb to give it an comfortable lead over "The Box" next week.
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Post by waluigionascooter on Mar 23, 2020 13:12:55 GMT -5
Mfw Someone You Loved will very likely break the 52 week rule.
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Post by nathanalbright on Mar 23, 2020 13:14:57 GMT -5
If it falls fewer than 2 positions per week in the next few weeks it will break the 52 week rule in time to become a song of the #sadboysummer.
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Normi
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Post by Normi on Mar 23, 2020 13:20:11 GMT -5
Supalonely debuts at #90  |
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tuna
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Post by tuna on Mar 23, 2020 13:28:04 GMT -5
where's death bed?
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Post by atg on Mar 23, 2020 13:30:22 GMT -5
I would love the entire top 10 but there’s only one problem
SOMEONE YOU LOVED PLEASE DIE I SWEAR I GOT NO SYMPATHY NOW. NOBODY CARES IF ANOTHER DAY BLEEDS FOR YOU WHY NOT JUST BLEED OUT AND END YOURSELF ALREADY!!
In other news, #2 for blinding lights!!!
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Post by nathanalbright on Mar 23, 2020 13:32:38 GMT -5
I would love the entire top 10 but there’s only one problem SOMEONE YOU LOVED PLEASE DIE I SWEAR I GOT NO SYMPATHY NOW. NOBODY CARES IF ANOTHER DAY BLEEDS FOR YOU WHY NOT JUST BLEED OUT AND END YOURSELF ALREADY!! In other news, #2 for blinding lights!!! On the plus side, at least Coronavirus gives the woman in question the excuse that her behavior was merely social distancing. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 23, 2020 14:08:08 GMT -5
16,000 for the Digital Sales #1 (Blinding Lights) is a new record-low. Yep I raised my eyebrows when I read that, honestly sales are becoming more and more irrelevant. I‘m quiet intrigued to know when Billboard‘s gonna erase this chart from the Hot 100 formula. They are not going to get rid of the chart. It still matters when a new song comes out. BTS sold 86,000 a few weeks ago. GaGa sold 53,000. Billboard will not ignore these numbers. |
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musicspy
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Post by musicspy on Mar 23, 2020 14:17:03 GMT -5
I refuse to believe SYL is more popular than Say So. Agree. New thread idea. What keeps SYL in the top 10, especially over Say so, or even Memories? Discuss |
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Post by divasummer on Mar 23, 2020 14:22:05 GMT -5
Yep I raised my eyebrows when I read that, honestly sales are becoming more and more irrelevant. I‘m quiet intrigued to know when Billboard‘s gonna erase this chart from the Hot 100 formula. They are not going to get rid of the chart. It still matters when a new song comes out. BTS sold 86,000 a few weeks ago. GaGa sold 53,000. Billboard will not ignore these numbers. I know the digital sales climate stinks now but it looks like sales may have been down because of the virus too. It looks like hardly anything gained this week? |
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Post by fridayteenage on Mar 23, 2020 14:22:09 GMT -5
Yep I raised my eyebrows when I read that, honestly sales are becoming more and more irrelevant. I‘m quiet intrigued to know when Billboard‘s gonna erase this chart from the Hot 100 formula. They are not going to get rid of the chart. It still matters when a new song comes out. BTS sold 86,000 a few weeks ago. GaGa sold 53,000. Billboard will not ignore these numbers. Also, aren't even physical singles still counted too? Occasionally there will be a song that sells solid-ish #s from vinyl or whatever and boost the song's position up. |
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Gary
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Post by Gary on Mar 23, 2020 14:23:49 GMT -5
Well...digital albums sales is gone (as a published chart) --- just a matter of time for singles
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Post by Naos on Mar 23, 2020 14:36:41 GMT -5
Bubbling Under:
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3. Don Toliver - Euphoria (debut)
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5. Don Toliver - After Party (debut)
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8. Saint JHN - Roses (debut)
9. Jay Electronica - The Blinding (debut)
10. Doja Cat - Like That (debut)
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23. Snoh Alagera - I Want You Around (debut)
24. Doja Cat - Boss Bitch (re-entry)
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ahoe s2e11 out now
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Post by spicymapping on Mar 23, 2020 14:50:05 GMT -5
Bubbling Under: 1. Travis Denning - After A Few 2. JP Saxe ft. Julia Michaels - If The World Was Ending 3. Don Toliver - Euphoria (debut) 4. 24kGoldn - City of Angels 5. Don Toliver - After Party (debut) 6. Kenny Chesney - Here And Now 7. Mahalia ft. Ella Mai - What You Did 8. Saint JHN - Roses (debut) 9. Jay Electronica - The Blinding (debut) 10. Doja Cat - Like That (debut) 11. Rauw Alejandro x Farruko - Fantasias 12. Kehlani - Toxic (debut) 13. Flipp Dinero ft. Lil Baby - How I Move 14. We The Kingdom - Holy Water 15. K Camp - Lottery 16. Miranda Lambert - Bluebird (debut) 17. Maddie & Tae - Die From a Broken Heart 18. Lil Tecca & Lil Tjay - All Star (debut) 19. OneRepublic - Didn't I (debut) 20. Tyga - Freak (debut) 21. Scotty McCreery - In Between 22. Keith Urban - God Whispered Your Name 23. Snoh Alagera - I Want You Around (debut) 24. Doja Cat - Boss Bitch (re-entry) 25. John K - If We Never Met |
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Post by fridayteenage on Mar 23, 2020 14:53:19 GMT -5
Well...digital albums sales is gone (as a published chart) --- just a matter of time for singles But not Album Sales so |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Mar 23, 2020 15:39:35 GMT -5
5 more weeks for Circles to break the Top 10 record
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Post by kanimal on Mar 23, 2020 16:00:14 GMT -5
Digital sales is a tricky situation, because the behavior is still fairly "logical" in in its connection to (and thus reflection of) culture.
By that I mean, songs that are receiving big radio airplay, media attention, TV syncs, TikTok dances, etc generally enjoy corresponding gains in sales. And it's definitely not just "country and old person music" that sells - contemporary acts like Post Malone, Roddy Ricch, The Weeknd, Dua Lipa, etc also do well on iTunes.
And, importantly, we do see the reverse as well - plenty within the industry still look to iTunes when determining what's hot.
So, given that digital sales are still largely "logical," I think it's too early to write them off as "novelty consumption." It IS fair to look at Kenny Rogers dominating on iTunes - and say that his songs matter right now. The Weeknd, Dua Lipa and Tones and I SHOULD get credit for the fact that they are putting up big sales to go with their streams.
If anything, we're still at the point where you can make a case that digital sales are rarer and thus a more "passionate" form of support, which should be treated as an even bigger, higher-scoring event for Hot 100 purposes.
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Post by iHype. on Mar 23, 2020 16:03:14 GMT -5
Digital sales is a tricky situation, because the behavior is still fairly "logical" in in its connection to culture. By that I mean, songs that are receiving big radio airplay, buzz on streaming, media attention, TV syncs, TikTok dances, etc generally enjoy corresponding gains in sales. And it's definitely not just "country and old person music" that sells - contemporary acts like Post Malone, Roddy Ricch, The Weeknd, Dua Lipa, etc also do well on iTunes. We do see the reverse as well - plenty within the industry still look to iTunes when determining what's hot. So, given that digital sales are still largely "logical," I think it's too early to write them off as "novelty consumption." If anything, we're still at the point where you can make a case where digital sales are rarer and thus a more "passionate" form of support, which should be treated as an even bigger, higher-scoring event for Hot 100 purposes.Well yeah, that's why 1 sale doesn't equal 1 stream. You need hundreds of streams to equal 1 sale. However, digital sales overall should definitely not have a bigger presence than streaming overall on Hot 100 in 2020. Rarity doesn't equate to importance. I'm sure if you asked labels would they want a brand new single to go #1 on Spotify or #1 on iTunes the answer would be the former. |
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Post by kanimal on Mar 23, 2020 16:06:31 GMT -5
Digital sales is a tricky situation, because the behavior is still fairly "logical" in in its connection to culture. By that I mean, songs that are receiving big radio airplay, buzz on streaming, media attention, TV syncs, TikTok dances, etc generally enjoy corresponding gains in sales. And it's definitely not just "country and old person music" that sells - contemporary acts like Post Malone, Roddy Ricch, The Weeknd, Dua Lipa, etc also do well on iTunes. We do see the reverse as well - plenty within the industry still look to iTunes when determining what's hot. So, given that digital sales are still largely "logical," I think it's too early to write them off as "novelty consumption." If anything, we're still at the point where you can make a case where digital sales are rarer and thus a more "passionate" form of support, which should be treated as an even bigger, higher-scoring event for Hot 100 purposes.Well yeah, that's why 1 sale doesn't equal 1 stream. You need hundreds of streams to equal 1 sale. However, digital sales overall should definitely not have a bigger presence than streaming overall on Hot 100 in 2020. Rarity doesn't equate to importance. Talking about digital sales now vs. digital sales last year. There are two ways to look at it: - It takes "more" to convince someone to buy a song now than it did last year, and the charts should account for that. - It's the same (or lesser) "intent" - it's just that fewer people are buying singles, and the charts therefore shouldn't treat sales as more prestigious than they were in the past. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 23, 2020 16:24:54 GMT -5
Well...digital albums sales is gone (as a published chart) --- just a matter of time for singles The original discussion was about Billboard not counting digital single sales for the Hot 100. Digital album sales is no longer published by Billboard, but those sales are still counted for the album charts. |
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Post by Gary on Mar 23, 2020 16:26:57 GMT -5
Well...digital albums sales is gone (as a published chart) --- just a matter of time for singles The original discussion was about Billboard not counting digital single sales for the Hot 100. Digital album sales is no longer published by Billboard, but those sales are still counted for the album charts. Yes I know that - thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 16:34:30 GMT -5
Called 11 weeks at one for The Box
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Mar 23, 2020 16:37:12 GMT -5
Yep I raised my eyebrows when I read that, honestly sales are becoming more and more irrelevant. I‘m quiet intrigued to know when Billboard‘s gonna erase this chart from the Hot 100 formula. They are not going to get rid of the chart. It still matters when a new song comes out. BTS sold 86,000 a few weeks ago. GaGa sold 53,000. Billboard will not ignore these numbers. At some point, do you think Billboard will start counting album track sales the same way track singles count for albums? It seems like everything gets counted for album charted (see, Bad Blood remix added to "1989" total on B200, even though it was never on album). Why not the converse? If I buy a full album, why not add those individual tracks to H100? If I bought 8 tracks from same album, ALL would count to H100 and B200. That's illogical. |
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Post by Gary on Mar 23, 2020 16:40:15 GMT -5
Because you are not buying a song - you are buying multiple songs when you buy a album. Which song or songs are you buying the album for? Hard to say.
In the reverse, when you buy a single song you are buying a single song that supports the parent album
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Post by iHype. on Mar 23, 2020 16:40:28 GMT -5
Well yeah, that's why 1 sale doesn't equal 1 stream. You need hundreds of streams to equal 1 sale. However, digital sales overall should definitely not have a bigger presence than streaming overall on Hot 100 in 2020. Rarity doesn't equate to importance. - It takes "more" to convince someone to buy a song now than it did last year, and the charts should account for that. If you use this logic, then CD singles should've had more presence on the chart than iTunes downloads in 2010 "because it is harder to convince someone to buy a CD single". In reality, that's just giving a misleading influence to a medium that is no longer relevant. Forms of consumption/technology do not become 'more important' as they become irrelevant. A cell phone company would not think selling flip phones is more impressive than selling smart phones in 2020, because it takes more to convince someone to buy one. They would just think it is no longer a relevant thing to focus on selling. |
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