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Post by gabe on Apr 18, 2020 13:52:56 GMT -5
Oh cool we’re in this now. I appreciate Kunt trying to push things in the right direction, but the sudden push on Coco does seem a bit suspicious. Her comments in the past three hours have been no less substantial than anyone else’s. Gabe promoting no lynch is also bad. Yeah, it would suck if we lynch town, but it would suck more if we lynch nobody and give scum a free kill. So Vote: Gabe for now 7/9 chance we lynch town. if that's a chance you're willing to take, you're obviously scum then because it works in your favor.
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Post by nick64 on Apr 18, 2020 14:12:02 GMT -5
Oh cool we’re in this now. I appreciate Kunt trying to push things in the right direction, but the sudden push on Coco does seem a bit suspicious. Her comments in the past three hours have been no less substantial than anyone else’s. Gabe promoting no lynch is also bad. Yeah, it would suck if we lynch town, but it would suck more if we lynch nobody and give scum a free kill. So Vote: Gabe for now 7/9 chance we lynch town. if that's a chance you're willing to take, you're obviously scum then because it works in your favor. So following basic game structure means I’m mafia? How would it be any better to wait until Day 2? We’d have one less town our side and less room for error. If we just casually wait til no lynch, that’s just coasting and we’ll essentially be in the Gomez stage all over again tomorrow.
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Post by taylor on Apr 18, 2020 14:16:41 GMT -5
love that i seemed suspicious out the gate seems we're out of the selena gomez stage and we're actually starting now?
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Post by Zeebz on Apr 18, 2020 16:35:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m not liking this push towards a “no lynch” scenario. While we may not have the have as conclusive evidence as we will have on later days, it makes no sense to essentially waste a day. If it were later in the game and we needed to figure out dynamics/needed more information, sure, but as of right now it is not helpful for either faction. No lynch should be used as an absolute last resort.
Unvote: Mylo because we’re actually being serious now. Definitely still waiting to hear from Lukas and I’m suspicious of Gabe for concluding that no lynch would be helpful for Town’s sake, although I recognize that this isn’t the best grounds to go off of.
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Post by Koochie on Apr 18, 2020 17:02:39 GMT -5
thank u Zeebz whatever ur tag is I mean I said this a few posts up. While not riveting who has? What exactly you want me to say when 2 and half pages are jokes. "I have no definite gut feelings yet on who is town or who isnt. Not very much to go on. Carrie asking was a eyebrow raise but then with Albies explanation made me realize the bitch is new. Mylo seemed extra aggressive early on in the Selena Gomez stage but that is also his nature? No comment on Gabe and Lukas cause they havent said much. Max and zeebs and nick made a couple of jokes. Kunt as per usual is moving the game in the right direction but that doesn't mean much." This wasnt a troll post but during the first 2 pages we all including myself were still in Selena Gomez stage. 🤔🤔 I’m referring to this post here: Well look at the posts in here so far in totality. Doesn't add to much. Oh cool we’re in this now. I appreciate Kunt trying to push things in the right direction, but the sudden push on Coco does seem a bit suspicious. Her comments in the past three hours have been no less substantial than anyone else’s. Gabe promoting no lynch is also bad. Yeah, it would suck if we lynch town, but it would suck more if we lynch nobody and give scum a free kill. So Vote: Gabe for now Maybe I’m not explaining my position on Coco well enough. It’s one thing to go into RVS, it’s another to make a post pointing out that “nobody is saying anything” but then fail to do so yourself. As town, if you’re dissatisfied with the state of the game, make an effort to change that. Earlier she was asked what she was supposed to do, and it’s like... well, we’re out of RVS and discussing things because someone (me) started asking questions. Maybe do that. I’d be curious to know why Lukas voted for Mylo as well, and want to know if Gabe has anything to contribute now that the ball has gotten rolling. I also want to know if Max finds anyone suspicious.
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Post by Koochie on Apr 18, 2020 17:03:46 GMT -5
Oh cool we’re in this now. I appreciate Kunt trying to push things in the right direction, but the sudden push on Coco does seem a bit suspicious. Her comments in the past three hours have been no less substantial than anyone else’s. Gabe promoting no lynch is also bad. Yeah, it would suck if we lynch town, but it would suck more if we lynch nobody and give scum a free kill. So Vote: Gabe for now 7/9 chance we lynch town. if that's a chance you're willing to take, you're obviously scum then because it works in your favor. town dies during night phase regardless which just dwindles our numbers, and historically night kills tell town absolutely nothing. Even if we mislynch during the day, we can at least look at who voted what to determine information.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 17:15:06 GMT -5
thank u Zeebz whatever ur tag is I mean I said this a few posts up. While not riveting who has? What exactly you want me to say when 2 and half pages are jokes. "I have no definite gut feelings yet on who is town or who isnt. Not very much to go on. Carrie asking was a eyebrow raise but then with Albies explanation made me realize the bitch is new. Mylo seemed extra aggressive early on in the Selena Gomez stage but that is also his nature? No comment on Gabe and Lukas cause they havent said much. Max and zeebs and nick made a couple of jokes. Kunt as per usual is moving the game in the right direction but that doesn't mean much." This wasnt a troll post but during the first 2 pages we all including myself were still in Selena Gomez stage. 🤔🤔 I’m referring to this post here: Well look at the posts in here so far in totality. Doesn't add to much. Oh cool we’re in this now. I appreciate Kunt trying to push things in the right direction, but the sudden push on Coco does seem a bit suspicious. Her comments in the past three hours have been no less substantial than anyone else’s. Gabe promoting no lynch is also bad. Yeah, it would suck if we lynch town, but it would suck more if we lynch nobody and give scum a free kill. So Vote: Gabe for now Maybe I’m not explaining my position on Coco well enough. It’s one thing to go into RVS, it’s another to make a post pointing out that “nobody is saying anything” but then fail to do so yourself. As town, if you’re dissatisfied with the state of the game, make an effort to change that. Earlier she was asked what she was supposed to do, and it’s like... well, we’re out of RVS and discussing things because someone (me) started asking questions. Maybe do that. I’d be curious to know why Lukas voted for Mylo as well, and want to know if Gabe has anything to contribute now that the ball has gotten rolling. I also want to know if Max finds anyone suspicious. To be fair the 5 posts above that post I made was laughing at my Selena Gomez joke. That was just shade. The I saw you and Gabe make posts that seemed serious today and my next post was serious. From what I remember jokey stage lasted a bit and I've never been one to steer directly so I try to prod along or shade along what I'm thinking before I get serious. But yeah that post was last night in the thicc of it.
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Post by Albie on Apr 18, 2020 20:25:48 GMT -5
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Post by Koochie on Apr 18, 2020 20:51:51 GMT -5
Can y’all vote
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 21:01:21 GMT -5
No not yet. I'm waiting on Lukas to explain his one post from earlier and then in the morning I'll review the thread and make a vote. I do think we outta lynch but we got a day and we should do it with a little bit more info.
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Post by taylor on Apr 18, 2020 21:26:09 GMT -5
i'm also waiting to vote until this thread has a bit more info in it. why blindly vote with little to no info?
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Post by Koochie on Apr 18, 2020 22:11:15 GMT -5
We using votes to track players and see who voted for who and why throughout the game.
You should always have a vote down.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Apr 18, 2020 22:11:53 GMT -5
Okay I'm free now, hold on
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Post by Koochie on Apr 18, 2020 22:12:32 GMT -5
We using votes to track players and see who voted for who and why throughout the game. You should always have a vote down. also plurality lynching is gone (thank you GOD) so unless someone has 5 votes they won’t be lynched even if they have plurality lol.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Apr 18, 2020 22:22:31 GMT -5
Catch up time! How is it even possible to rank Max Gabe and Lukas when they’ve said like one thing a piece? I kinda can’t tell if that’s a joke or not but lol ok. Not to punt kick RVS but I do actually want to say that Carrie asking if no lynch is ever a good option is a weird question that, by the numbers, just seems like an anti-town idea the propose and gabe totally bypassing RVS to play “helpful town” then duck out caught my attention. It's not a joke lol, but it's literally just to get my footing on what I'm thinking and get conversation starting. But also, you can genuinely find indicators in just one post lol. Max's post immediately felt different to his posting last game which makes me think he's town. i'm not talking much because all you're doing is adding to the paranoia and if you keep doing that it's gonna turn out like mylo's Right now there's 7 town and 2 mafia. And at this moment, we don't really have any clues. That means that if we random lynch someone, there's a 7/9 chance they're town. I don't like those odds and I'm not willing to random lynch someone at this point because we still have a huge majority. It's not like we're gonna lose majority tomorrow The thing here is we aren't random lynching. We're attempting to lynch mafia. Everyone has beat this point down to the ground but lynching in general is the best way to determine scum from the group. So you’re hiding something? Saying nothing is helpful to nobody - including yourself. If you’re town, you want to make sure we all know it. Bolded feels a touch overboard from what gabe said lol. However yes, talking is helpful (Although if you genuinely have nothing to say, that is understandable to me as I've been there) and the more discussion we receive the better we can discover mafia. Gabe right now is in a roundabout way achieving that lol. Mylo has done nothing but RVS and Coco has done nothing but troll from what I can tell. Can I get examples of what they’ve contributed that seem town? Sure can! As far as Mylo goes, I mentioned that he "seems Town" just based on his general tone from the jump, although I may have misinterpreted some of his posts? When I was reading through the thread, I had assumed that Mylo saying things such as "I request that everyone gets on this immediately" ( here) was an example of him wanting everyone to come in and play and actually begin discussing, but also I was a little intoxicated when I first read that and I think I missed the message there. Reading it back, it seems like he wanted everyone to just get on the Coco wagon (and, not to mention, it is literally the first post in the damn thread so it was absolutely too early to have any sort of read on anyone, lol). I just took things like this, as well as his eagerness to post and his general tone to be more of a Town perception, at least based on the limited information we have. Regardless of this.. err in judgment, to say the least, recently he did try to start moving the game in a more discussion based direction recently, as referenced here. This was admittedly based off of, in his admittance, limited information, but jumping in and starting to analyze how everyone seems, even based off of limited info, just strikes me as being a more Town perception. I know from previous experience that mafia would, moreso, like to sit back and not initiate the initial wave of discussion or try to rank people based on their judgments this early in the game. With that in mind, I feel like Mylo's overeager nature for the game's discussion to progress could, in theory, be the work of someone who is actually Mafia trying to seem more helpful than they are. Again, limited information to go off of I could be totally off base, but hopefully this helps? Idfk. As far as Coco goes, I don't recall explicitly saying I had a Town vibe from her. My mention of Coco (and, by extension, you) in the post you have quoted was moreso to say that you two have started to jump into the "non-Selena Gomez phase" of the game, leading to discussion starting to happen. This by no means gives me any kind of read on either of you, but moreso an observation on my part (hence the lack of pertinent observation clause mentioned in my previous post). Also, sidenote: Upon further inspection when reading everything back, I also am not liking Lukas's random vote for Mylo. Granted, we are still in a weird limbo between RVS and actual Day 1 discussion, but I definitely am looking forward to hearing some clarification from him. ok sis leggooooo My request for everyone to get on coco was half joke half 'get on here'. A quick wagon is a great way for discussion to start imo. Oh cool we’re in this now. I appreciate Kunt trying to push things in the right direction, but the sudden push on Coco does seem a bit suspicious. Her comments in the past three hours have been no less substantial than anyone else’s. Gabe promoting no lynch is also bad. Yeah, it would suck if we lynch town, but it would suck more if we lynch nobody and give scum a free kill. So Vote: Gabe for now 7/9 chance we lynch town. if that's a chance you're willing to take, you're obviously scum then because it works in your favor. I messed up the quote here and am too lazy to fix it but this isn't really the right attitude lol. I'd personally suggest lynching as a chance to get mafia but also to use the information given by that lynch to find mafia. Not only that, but in general people agree lynching is good so it's not a great scum-finding mechanism We using votes to track players and see who voted for who and why throughout the game. You should always have a vote down. ^^^ Y'all vote! Don't matter if it's gut, wagon pushing, pressure building, 'why not', it helps.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Apr 18, 2020 22:31:16 GMT -5
I have no idea what to do with Coco being helpful. I came in thinking that if Coco was trolling they were more likely to be town (Because scum!coco has a reason to look helpful whereas town!coco don't gotta appeal) but looking at their posts I'm not really finding anything that hints towards them being scum? For those familiar with her play, is she often helpful as town?
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Post by Zeebz on Apr 18, 2020 22:34:46 GMT -5
Vote: Lukas just to add a little pressure in the meantime while we hear from him.
Mylo, I’m glad to not 100% be off track, lmao. I figured it was a mix of both, but did not want to assume. Regardless, I don’t know how I feel about the quick wagon comment. In theory, it makes sense, but given that a) some of the players are new and/or still quiet and b) discussion did not really start until much after your push for a Coco lynch/still has not oriented itself in any sort of direction, I do not see how this was effective in guiding discussion any sort of way. It still feels.. gung ho, to say the least.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Apr 18, 2020 22:48:12 GMT -5
I'd say I'm feeling good about Carrie/Zeebz right now. Definitely want more from them but Carrie's first post felt decently townie and Zeebz has appeared helpful and consideration. I was going to put Max here but their weird attack of Gabe feels off to me. I'm not sure about Gabe's prior mafia knowledge but their out-there style didn't really hit as 'scum trying to get town to do wrong' and I'm surprised it seems like some people, notably Max and Nick, appeared to think it was. I'm not sold on Gabe either way but I doubt that their plan as scum would be to try to get a no lynch going that no one else really wanted. My suspicions still lie in Nick/TH tbh. Lukas needs to get here ASAP but there's essentially nothing either way. I originally thought his laid-back nature could indicate town (Because scum can't afford to be laid-back generally) but I realise Lukas personally would probably do that either way. The House is being his usual helpful self but I'm just not feeling town energy off of it like I am Zeebz or Coco. I fear it could be to do with playstyle but when I hosted last game I felt like it was decently obvious he was town and here I'm definitely unsure. Nick kinda overemphasised Gabe's points which could be them trying to put suspicion on them. This post here was what really got me: 7/9 chance we lynch town. if that's a chance you're willing to take, you're obviously scum then because it works in your favor. So following basic game structure means I’m mafia? How would it be any better to wait until Day 2? We’d have one less town our side and less room for error. If we just casually wait til no lynch, that’s just coasting and we’ll essentially be in the Gomez stage all over again tomorrow. Yes, Gabe saying you're obviously scum is incorrect for what you did but nowhere did they say you should 'casually wait til no lynch' and that the phase would be wasted. It feels unnecessarily contrary for a point that could've just been 'most people agree lynching is best as it helps give town information'. I'm happy with my vote right now. I am wary that this could just be Nick's playing style lol, I've never played with them and so I feel less confident in my read on them then TH, but I've got more evidence that they're scum than TH (which is basically just a tone read/lack of town read).
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Post by Zeebz on Apr 18, 2020 23:18:24 GMT -5
myloI appreciate your drive to try and push discussion, but based on your most recent post I am left with a couple of questions: a) in the initial paragraph of your post, you mention that Carrie and I give you the most “Town” vibes (with some semblance of reasoning, which is great), yet in your next paragraph you bring Coco into the Town mix without any elaboration. Why? Do you care to elaborate why you threw her into that group? It just seems a little off track after previously talking about Carrie and I yet making no mention of her. My apologies if I have missed something, but I just want to make sure everything is out there. Likewise, can you elaborate on the scum Coco vs the non-scum Coco point? Not defending her or anything, but it just seems that you generalized her board personality to this game and I would love more pertinent facts to back this claim up. b) you mention that Gabe never explicitly talked about wasting a day or concluded that no lynch was doing such, but reading their posts I am left with the impression that they concluded such, despite never explicitly saying so. They just implied that a no lynch would be beneficial in their posts, which strikes me as slightly problematic in context. With this in mind, Gabe’s comment regarding Town still having a majority even if we lynch someone random isn’t sitting well with me. Like yeah, if we lynch town, sure, that ends up true. However, I find that is not the best viewpoint because we should always try to go for whomever seems the most sus during that Day, majority or not. It does not matter if we will maintain majority, what matters is that we get closer to weeding out mafia. Either way, the lynch helps us to garner vote information and to shell out more discussion the day after. Also, Carrie’s lack of input is starting to stand out to me. I know she is a rather new player, but just sitting back and “waiting for more info” as opposed to blindly voting is.. a little suspect? Even if your vote doesn’t have much to go off off in that moment, even putting your thoughts out there and pushing discussion in a certain way helps us to get closer to the end goal of Town winning. Sitting back and refusing to vote may not necessarily implicate you as Mafia, but it also doesn’t help Town in any capacity.
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Post by taylor on Apr 18, 2020 23:19:57 GMT -5
Vote: Mylo
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Post by Zeebz on Apr 18, 2020 23:25:10 GMT -5
While I’m glad to see you chime in and vote, can you elaborate as to why you voted this way? What about Mylo strikes you as a worthwhile target? Is there anything that seems suspect? I don’t say this to single you out (or, by extension, defend Mylo), I just think that it is important that we have justification behind our votes.
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Post by taylor on Apr 18, 2020 23:32:26 GMT -5
While I’m glad to see you chime in and vote, can you elaborate as to why you voted this way? What about Mylo strikes you as a worthwhile target? Is there anything that seems suspect? I don’t say this to single you out (or, by extension, defend Mylo), I just think that it is important that we have justification behind our votes. Well I mean I'm voting blindly since I haven't gotten that much info, but from what I have seen, he seems overly peppy even for Town. I'm new to this so I'm probably way off but it's just what I'm thinking based off of what we've got right now.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Apr 18, 2020 23:33:01 GMT -5
myloI appreciate your drive to try and push discussion, but based on your most recent post I am left with a couple of questions: a) in the initial paragraph of your post, you mention that Carrie and I give you the most “Town” vibes (with some semblance of reasoning, which is great), yet in your next paragraph you bring Coco into the Town mix without any elaboration. Why? Do you care to elaborate why you threw her into that group? It just seems a little off track after previously talking about Carrie and I yet making no mention of her. My apologies if I have missed something, but I just want to make sure everything is out there. Likewise, can you elaborate on the scum Coco vs the non-scum Coco point? Not defending her or anything, but it just seems that you generalized her board personality to this game and I would love more pertinent facts to back this claim up. b) you mention that Gabe never explicitly talked about wasting a day or concluded that no lynch was doing such, but reading their posts I am left with the impression that they concluded such, despite never explicitly saying so. They just implied that a no lynch would be beneficial in their posts, which strikes me as slightly problematic in context. With this in mind, Gabe’s comment regarding Town still having a majority even if we lynch someone random isn’t sitting well with me. Like yeah, if we lynch town, sure, that ends up true. However, I find that is not the best viewpoint because we should always try to go for whomever seems the most sus during that Day, majority or not. It does not matter if we will maintain majority, what matters is that we get closer to weeding out mafia. Either way, the lynch helps us to garner vote information and to shell out more discussion the day after. Also, Carrie’s lack of input is starting to stand out to me. I know she is a rather new player, but just sitting back and “waiting for more info” as opposed to blindly voting is.. a little suspect? Even if your vote doesn’t have much to go off off in that moment, even putting your thoughts out there and pushing discussion in a certain way helps us to get closer to the end goal of Town winning. Sitting back and refusing to vote may not necessarily implicate you as Mafia, but it also doesn’t help Town in any capacity. Thanks! for a), I clarified earlier I was conflicted on Coco because I thought them being helpful would indicate them being mafia but I haven't found anything I'm actually suspicious of. So they're not really in my top town reads, I have paranoia about them just feigning it for the cameras lol. for b) I guess it could be implied they meant that haha. Maybe I was giving them too much credit, I thought they wanted a day of discussion and then a no lynch. Given we also have power roles this could have value, although I don't support it. I might've missed the part where they implied they wanted to not even talk before no lynching, which is absolutely anti-town. However either way, I don't think this necessarily leads to Gabe!Scum. Their background could easily have lead them to believe no lynching in a day is helpful, and perhaps even lynching without evidence. I remember playing Town of Salem and often not lynching because you'd wait for the power roles to be able to clear town or find scum, so I probably understand Gabe's hesitation to lynching more than those who have just played mafia haha. I don't even really town read Gabe - they could easily be doing this as scum lol - but the focus on them is odd considering it read 'inexperienced with how pulse mafia works' before anything else.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Apr 18, 2020 23:36:07 GMT -5
While I’m glad to see you chime in and vote, can you elaborate as to why you voted this way? What about Mylo strikes you as a worthwhile target? Is there anything that seems suspect? I don’t say this to single you out (or, by extension, defend Mylo), I just think that it is important that we have justification behind our votes. I was planning on making this exact type of post when I saw that vote haha. taylor if you think I'm too preppy to be town, how do you expect me then to behave as town? I'm not the best at self-analysing my gameplay but overly preppy is probably a term that I could use to describe my playstyle regardless of alignment haha.
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Post by Zeebz on Apr 18, 2020 23:39:27 GMT -5
While I’m glad to see you chime in and vote, can you elaborate as to why you voted this way? What about Mylo strikes you as a worthwhile target? Is there anything that seems suspect? I don’t say this to single you out (or, by extension, defend Mylo), I just think that it is important that we have justification behind our votes. Well I mean I'm voting blindly since I haven't gotten that much info, but from what I have seen, he seems overly peppy even for Town. I'm new to this so I'm probably way off but it's just what I'm thinking based off of what we've got right now. Thanks for providing some clarification, even if your vote was a blind vote! It absolutely helps to have some sort of reasoning behind every vote-- this will prove instrumental on Day 2, 3, etc. My only advice at this point would be to include this reasoning with your vote, even if it jut says exactly what you replied with. Ultimately, more discussion really serves to benefit Town. Appreciate your willingness to jump in as a new player.. I hope you are taking this all constructively. It is always thrilling to have new blood and your participation is appreciated!
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Post by Zeebz on Apr 19, 2020 0:03:06 GMT -5
Thanks again for clairfying, @grapefanatic.
Rgarding Miss Gabe, I am not sure that anyone ever implied that Gabe wanted a vote with no discussion. There is no mention of this, and I apologize if this was something I implied in my posts. While they never implied that, though, they did sort of imply that a no lynch scenario would be better than actively participating in the discussion, which is, quite frankly, a bad idea. I do not necessarily think this automatically lends itself to "zomg Gabe is scum!!", but it is just something to take note of this early on. I understand they may be a newer player, hence why I want to give them the benefit of the doubt while we are still waiting for more discussion, but I do not feel this should be overlooked-- perceived wagon or not. The post may have read as inexperienced Mafia player (a theory I am absolutely not ruling out), but it is helpful to keep our options open and to not just write off coincidences like this. I say this simply because discussion is still not at a point where we can adequately draw any definitive inferences as of yet.
Also, another point: you mention that you are more sus of Nick than Kunt (The House, I suppose, but fake news), with a claim that you have more evidence supporting this as opposed to evidence supporting "The House" is Mafia. Could you possibly elaborate? Is there anything that Nick has posted that strikes you as being more Mafia? In extension, is there anything that "The House" has posted that would lead you to believe he is not so? You mentioned you had more of a tone deaf read on him and I would love to hear more reasoning as to why!
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Mylo13 💜
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Apr 19, 2020 0:16:50 GMT -5
Thanks again for clairfying, @grapefanatic. Rgarding Miss Gabe, I am not sure that anyone ever implied that Gabe wanted a vote with no discussion. There is no mention of this, and I apologize if this was something I implied in my posts. While they never implied that, though, they did sort of imply that a no lynch scenario would be better than actively participating in the discussion, which is, quite frankly, a bad idea. I do not necessarily think this automatically lends itself to "zomg Gabe is scum!!", but it is just something to take note of this early on. I understand they may be a newer player, hence why I want to give them the benefit of the doubt while we are still waiting for more discussion, but I do not feel this should be overlooked-- perceived wagon or not. The post may have read as inexperienced Mafia player (a theory I am absolutely not ruling out), but it is helpful to keep our options open and to not just write off coincidences like this. I say this simply because discussion is still not at a point where we can adequately draw any definitive inferences as of yet. Also, another point: you mention that you are more sus of Nick than Kunt (The House, I suppose, but fake news), with a claim that you have more evidence supporting this as opposed to evidence supporting "The House" is Mafia. Could you possibly elaborate? Is there anything that Nick has posted that strikes you as being more Mafia? In extension, is there anything that "The House" has posted that would lead you to believe he is not so? You mentioned you had more of a tone deaf read on him and I would love to hear more reasoning as to why! That's a fair point on gabe and we should definitely keep it in mind haha. I just wanted to avoid people gravitating to Gabe!mafia off of something that doesn't really seem alignment indicating for me. As for Nick/The House, the first post where I was suspicious of Nick was here: Lol I can’t take myself seriously, Vote: NickIt was still RVS so take that into consideration but this immediately read like 'mafia trying too hard to be spontaneous'. I've done self-votes at the beginning before too but this came after almost two pages of other posts and felt out of place. It wasn't a 'let's start talking', and it just instantly gave me concern on them. Oh cool we’re in this now. I appreciate Kunt trying to push things in the right direction, but the sudden push on Coco does seem a bit suspicious. Her comments in the past three hours have been no less substantial than anyone else’s. Gabe promoting no lynch is also bad. Yeah, it would suck if we lynch town, but it would suck more if we lynch nobody and give scum a free kill. So Vote: Gabe for now This post, without being rude, just felt a touch fake to me. Again, this could be playstyle, but the choppy summary of ideas feels very structured to me. Town usually just says what they want and finish it there, mafia have more of a reason to look fancier and smarter imo. The Gabe vote is also pretty mediocre as I've clarified earlier, it reminds me of a vote a new player would make which Nick isn't. I have been known to read into things too much but these two posts and the response to Gabe are really the only consistent suspicions I've had on a player. My problem with The House is that I currently find him technically unreadable. There isn't anything to push him either way, but The House is a player I'd expect to be able to see as town easier than this game (so far). He's been pretty flat, no offense haha. Hopefully that makes sense?
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nick64
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Post by nick64 on Apr 19, 2020 0:18:20 GMT -5
My suspicions still lie in Nick/TH tbh. Lukas needs to get here ASAP but there's essentially nothing either way. I originally thought his laid-back nature could indicate town (Because scum can't afford to be laid-back generally) but I realise Lukas personally would probably do that either way. The House is being his usual helpful self but I'm just not feeling town energy off of it like I am Zeebz or Coco. I fear it could be to do with playstyle but when I hosted last game I felt like it was decently obvious he was town and here I'm definitely unsure. Nick kinda overemphasised Gabe's points which could be them trying to put suspicion on them. This post here was what really got me: So following basic game structure means I’m mafia? How would it be any better to wait until Day 2? We’d have one less town our side and less room for error. If we just casually wait til no lynch, that’s just coasting and we’ll essentially be in the Gomez stage all over again tomorrow. Yes, Gabe saying you're obviously scum is incorrect for what you did but nowhere did they say you should 'casually wait til no lynch' and that the phase would be wasted. It feels unnecessarily contrary for a point that could've just been 'most people agree lynching is best as it helps give town information'. I'm happy with my vote right now. I am wary that this could just be Nick's playing style lol, I've never played with them and so I feel less confident in my read on them then TH, but I've got more evidence that they're scum than TH (which is basically just a tone read/lack of town read). While he may not have said "casually wait til no lynch", that was my own wording of the situation, these two posts certainly imply it: i'm not talking much because all you're doing is adding to the paranoia and if you keep doing that it's gonna turn out like mylo's Right now there's 7 town and 2 mafia. And at this moment, we don't really have any clues. That means that if we random lynch someone, there's a 7/9 chance they're town. I don't like those odds and I'm not willing to random lynch someone at this point because we still have a huge majority. It's not like we're gonna lose majority tomorrowThe bolded implies he's cool with how the majority would lie with a no lynch scenario. Oh cool we’re in this now. I appreciate Kunt trying to push things in the right direction, but the sudden push on Coco does seem a bit suspicious. Her comments in the past three hours have been no less substantial than anyone else’s. Gabe promoting no lynch is also bad. Yeah, it would suck if we lynch town, but it would suck more if we lynch nobody and give scum a free kill. So Vote: Gabe for now 7/9 chance we lynch town. if that's a chance you're willing to take, you're obviously scum then because it works in your favor.I can't see how it gets more explicit than that. He literally said if you're willing to take the chance of lynching, you're scum. By his own logic, he must be advocate for no lynch, right? That much seems clear, and he hasn't even argued against that. I'm not saying it's explicitly scum behavior, but it's definitely not ideal behavior and it is a rather odd stance. But I'd like to ask you for a little more info on why you listed Kunt as one of your top suspicions. The whole "The House is being his usual helpful self but I'm just not feeling town energy off of it like I am Zeebz or Coco" seems really vague, especially when you are already suggested Max was doing things that threw you off. Why Kunt over Max? As for Carrie, I agree I'm getting town vibes, but only because I think a new player scum would have asked that question in the QT rather than out here. Could be a throw-off, but I do think it's a positive sign. I'm really not getting much of a vibe from Coco either way. Very present, but hasn't really been accusatory of anybody yet, mostly just defending herself against Kunt. Max and Lucas need to say more. And I'd like more from Carrie as well. I'm getting pretty similar vibes from Zebra and Kunt. Both are clearly trying to push the conversation, but jumped the gun a bit. The thing from Coco that Kunt was alluding to was just a joke, and Zeebz seems to have been drunkenly misreading things, but I did really like his last post. We using votes to track players and see who voted for who and why throughout the game. You should always have a vote down. also plurality lynching is gone (thank you GOD) so unless someone has 5 votes they won’t be lynched even if they have plurality lol. I'm blanking, what's plurality lynching? Sorry it's been awhile.
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nick64
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Post by nick64 on Apr 19, 2020 0:20:16 GMT -5
Okay just to keep things clear, the last thing on the screen when I posted that Zeebz @ing Mylo so let me read what's shown up since for more
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Mylo13 💜
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Apr 19, 2020 0:34:52 GMT -5
Copying this bc I don't need the whole quote filling up the page haha:
I can't see how it gets more explicit than that. He literally said if you're willing to take the chance of lynching, you're scum. By his own logic, he must be advocate for no lynch, right? That much seems clear, and he hasn't even argued against that.
I'm not saying it's explicitly scum behavior, but it's definitely not ideal behavior and it is a rather odd stance.
But I'd like to ask you for a little more info on why you listed Kunt as one of your top suspicions. The whole "The House is being his usual helpful self but I'm just not feeling town energy off of it like I am Zeebz or Coco" seems really vague, especially when you are already suggested Max was doing things that threw you off. Why Kunt over Max?
As for Carrie, I agree I'm getting town vibes, but only because I think a new player scum would have asked that question in the QT rather than out here. Could be a throw-off, but I do think it's a positive sign.
I wasn't arguing whether or not he wanted no lynch if that was the concern, I was saying that he didn't necessarily say he wanted no discussion on a no-lynch. My larger point is that I don't find it particularly scum-indicative.
I said this already but I think The House's lack of readability indicates scum!The House. I compare it to the other games I saw them play (the one I hosted and the first game) and both felt more energetic and more clearly town than this game (so far). I do think he might town it up soon but he hasn't done it for me yet.
I thought that exact point about carrie but didn't really want to say it haha. It's a pithole to WIFOM, maybe their scum partner simply told them to do it or Carrie just thought it'd be a good trick. I'd say that their lack of restraint to the game does overall lean towards them being town though, I'd imagine them to be far more shy and less involved. Although there was one post that reminded me of scum!Normusic haha, I'll have to check that at some point.
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