Biggest drops from the top 10 by position - Hot 100

[Gary]

The thread that discusses that

pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/26198?page=5

[Gary]

A couple Juice WRLD updates

[Gary]

8 to 55 Greece, DJ Khaled featuring Drake

[Gary]

Taylor Swift week 2


from 4 to 23, The 1
from 6 to 36, Exile

[Gary]

Billie Eilish falls from 6 to 39

Page 1 updated

[Gary]

7 Summers falls from 6 to 38

[phieaglesfan712]

The Christmas 19-20 asterisk should be applied to Heartless and Blinding Lights. The Christmas season definitely enhanced their falls. If this happened pretty much any other time of year, Heartless probably falls from 1 to 11 instead of 17, while Blinding Lights falls from 11 to around 40 instead of 52.

[chartfreak]

Did GMAYL by Madonna fall to #39 from #10?

[Gary]

yes - I was going for the 10 or so biggest drops by top 10 position (including drops at Christmas). If I extended the list a little more that would be on it.

I may separate Christmas and non-Christmas at some point when I have more time since Christmas songs follow a different statistical pattern

[Gary]

Franchise 1-25

2nd biggest drop to another rank and 3rd biggest overall

[Gary]

36 9 - 2 Runnin, 21 Savage & Metro Boomin 9

[Gary]

Luke Combs

4th biggest overall drop from #2

*Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree, Brenda Lee OUT
Mona Lisa, Lil Wayne Featuring Kendrick Lamar 23
Today Was A Fairytale, Taylor Swift 22
Forever After All, Luke Combs 18

[Gary]

Update to Post 1


From #1 --- Position next week is listed

*All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey OUT
Trollz, 6ix9ine & Nicki Minaj 34
Life Goes On, BTS,28

[Gary]

May 20, 2020 19:13:18 GMT -5 Gary said:

A lot of volatility recently - so thought this would be fun to look at.  

8 songs in chart history have fallen completely off the chart from the top 10 and will be reflected below
Only one was not due to the death of the artist or the end of Christmas

We Might Be Dead By Tomorrow, Soko


Biggest drops by each position in the top 10


From #1  --- Position next week is listed

*All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey OUT
Trollz, 6ix9ine & Nicki Minaj 34
Life Goes On, BTS,28
Franchise, Travis Scott 25
Heartless, The Weeknd 17
Nothing From Nothing, Billy Preston 15
Then Came You, Dionne Warwick,Spinners 15
Stuck With U, Ariana Grande & Justin Bieber 13
Can't Get Enough Of Your Love, Babe, Barry White 12
Rock Me Gently, Andy Kim 12
The Sounds Of Silence, Simon & Garfunkel 12
You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet, Bachman-Turner Overdrive 12
You Haven't Done Nothin, Stevie Wonder 12
THE SCOTTS, THE SCOTTS, Travis Scott & Kid Cudi 12
Whatever Gets You Thru The Night, John Lennon 12


*Christmas '19-'20

What this list looked like before 12 months ago



Nothing From Nothing, Billy Preston 15
Then Came You, Dionne Warwick,Spinners 15
Can't Get Enough Of Your Love, Babe, Barry White 12
Rock Me Gently, Andy Kim 12
The Sounds Of Silence, Simon & Garfunkel 12
You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet, Bachman-Turner Overdrive 12
You Haven't Done Nothin, Stevie Wonder 12
Whatever Gets You Thru The Night, John Lennon 12

[Gary]

12 months of drops from #1





A record that stood for 45 years has now been eclipsed 6 times overall and 5 to another rank in 12 months

*All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey OUT (2019 season)
Willow, Taylor Swift 38
Trollz, 6ix9ine & Nicki Minaj 34
Life Goes On, BTS 28
Franchise, Travis Scott 25
Heartless, The Weeknd 17
Nothing From Nothing, Billy Preston 15
Then Came You, Dionne Warwick,Spinners 15

[imbondz]

Taylor’s should have a small asterisk due to Christmas titles.

[mamooshka]

As mentioned, these big drops are often associated with the end of the holidays, deaths, memes/viral videos and streaming of new blockbuster releases.

Gary - any insight on what's behind the huge fluctuations during the pre-streaming/pre-SoundScan era? Looks like there was a lot of chart turnover in 1974 (for whatever reason) so that may explain a few of the examples you cited.

But it seems odd that tracks like 'Don't Talk To Strangers' (after a solid 4 weeks at #2 in '82) and 'Sexual Healing' (after holding at #3 for 3 weeks in '83) could simply freefall to #14 and #23 respectively. Meanwhile, the chart toppers during those years spent 6, 7, 8 and as many as 10 weeks at #1.

[Michael1973]

Dec 31, 2020 13:39:18 GMT -5 mamooshka said:

But it seems odd that tracks like 'Don't Talk To Strangers' (after a solid 4 weeks at #2 in '82) and 'Sexual Healing' (after holding at #3 for 3 weeks in '83) could simply freefall to #14 and #23 respectively. Meanwhile, the chart toppers during those years spent 6, 7, 8 and as many as 10 weeks at #1.

There was an odd rule applied to the Hot 100 in 1982 and early 1983 that forced songs to hold steady when they really should have been dropping. That's why there were so many songs during that era holding at their peaks for many weeks and/or making huge drops. The rule was finally removed in the spring of 1983.

[mamooshka]

Interesting.

Looking for a reference to that rule, but haven't found anything. Wonder if Billboard offers a detailed explanation somewhere?

[jebsib]

Re: The 1970s ('74 in particular) - lots of chart manipulation, because the Hot 100 wasn't scientific - it also included subjective elements such as 'how hot an act was', etc.

Bob White & Bill Wardlaw (Hot 100 chart managers from mid 70s through 4/30/83) are infamous for industry stories related to tinkering with the charts.
A song by John Lennon was free falling for weeks but then held in place one lone week just so the press could have a story about all 4 Beatles being in the Top 40 separately at the same time.

Michael1973 is correct about the HOLDING POLICY which artificially created those enormous drops.

[jebsib]

I got this from the old Radio and Records website:

The bullet/star holding period went into effect way back in the 60s but actually wasn't explained as such until 1974. A record received a bullet if it experienced significant gains in sales/airplay over the previous week. Therefore it easily signified records that were 
growing the most prominent on the chart. When a record received a bullet it was in effect "guaranteed" not to fall the next week. If the next week it appeared without a bullet it was said to be in a "holding period" signifying that the record might be peaking in sales and/or airplay. Occasionally there were exceptions to the rule [Couldn't Get It Right by the Climax Blues Band and One Chain Don't Make No Prison by the Four Tops come to mind]

 The holding period policy was brought about, it seems, at the request of retails and others in the industry that wanted a singles chart where climbers, peakers and decliners could easily be spotted at any given week. The holding period policy also allowed for the chance that a record might simply be in a lull and not on the verge of declining. At times holding period records did prevent songs below them from climbing as high as they might have, but these were not as common and you might think. And songs usually eventually climbed to their rightful positions. At worse the holding period might have prevented a song from peaking at say #31 and instead have it peak at #32. The holding period never applied to #1.

 Billboard abandoned the holding period policy pretty much in the mid-80s in an effort for a more accurate chart. In fact many long-standing chart rules changed in the mid-80s. The one downside of its removal was records occasionally declining even though they may have actually gained in points which led to the erroneous belief the record was 
declining when it actually wasn't.

There was also Oh Very Young by Cat Stevens which fell from a starred #10
the same week that One Chain Don't Make No Prison peaked.

 There were also a few songs during the late 70's and early 80's that fell from #1 to #2 and still had a bullet. The first case was Disco Duck by Rick Dees. The other singles were: Three Times A Lady (Commodores), Mac Arthur Park (Donna Summer), Le Freak (Chic*), Too Much Heaven (Bee Gees), I Will Survive (Gloria Gaynor*), Eye Of The Tiger (Survivor) and Every time You Go Away (Paul Young).
 (* fell from #1 twice with a bullet)
In all the above cases the song either held #2 for at least one more week or moved back to #1.

 After the holding period was abolished songs dropped with a bullet in lower positions as well.


[Gary]

posts updated for some of the Christmas droppers

[phieaglesfan712]

Dec 31, 2020 12:25:29 GMT -5 imbondz said:

Taylor’s should have a small asterisk due to Christmas titles.

Better yet, we should write Trollz and Franchise in big font to emphasize that their falls occurred under normal circumstances, and not during the holiday season.

[Gary]

BTS on this list for biggest drops from the top 10 for the second time

previously dropping from 9 to 44
now 5-25

[Gary]

11-Out Love Story(Taylor's Version), Taylor Swift

[Gary]

Outside of the 3-Out Christmas songs-- Lemon Pepper Freestyle takes the biggest drop from #3 in chart history 

[phieaglesfan712]

Just curious, where would Blinding Lights fall from 12 to 23 rank among songs that fell from #12?

Also, J Cole is going to give a fresh update to this list next week.

[Gary]

Biggest drops from #1 updated


*All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey OUT
Willow, Taylor Swift 38
Trollz, 6ix9ine & Nicki Minaj 34
Life Goes On, BTS,28
Franchise, Travis Scott 25
Butter, BTS 17
Heartless, The Weeknd 17
Nothing From Nothing, Billy Preston 15
Then Came You, Dionne Warwick,Spinners 15
Stuck With U, Ariana Grande & Justin Bieber 13
Can't Get Enough Of Your Love, Babe, Barry White 12
Rock Me Gently, Andy Kim 12
The Sounds Of Silence, Simon & Garfunkel 12
You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet, Bachman-Turner Overdrive 12
You Haven't Done Nothin, Stevie Wonder 12
THE SCOTTS, THE SCOTTS, Travis Scott & Kid Cudi 12
Whatever Gets You Thru The Night, John Lennon 12


*Christmas '19

[Gary]

May 20, 2020 19:13:18 GMT -5 Gary said:

From #1  --- Position next week is listed

*All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey OUT
Willow, Taylor Swift 38
Trollz, 6ix9ine & Nicki Minaj 34
Life Goes On, BTS,28
Franchise, Travis Scott 25
Butter, BTS 17
Heartless, The Weeknd 17
Nothing From Nothing, Billy Preston 15
Then Came You, Dionne Warwick,Spinners 15
Stuck With U, Ariana Grande & Justin Bieber 13
Can't Get Enough Of Your Love, Babe, Barry White 12
Rock Me Gently, Andy Kim 12
The Sounds Of Silence, Simon & Garfunkel 12
You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet, Bachman-Turner Overdrive 12
You Haven't Done Nothin, Stevie Wonder 12
THE SCOTTS, THE SCOTTS, Travis Scott & Kid Cudi 12
Whatever Gets You Thru The Night, John Lennon 12
My Universe, Coldplay x BTS 12


*Christmas '19-'20

Update to biggest drops from #1

[Gary]

#5 list updated for Adele