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Post by lady𝓐fan on May 30, 2020 20:54:56 GMT -5
Maybe republicans of times past were good people. Just look at the Senate, they have been confirming right wing judges that the American Bar Association deems as unfit to their new positions, yet the republican majority gives them lifetime positions. That, while they refuse to pass legislation that would help people in this pandemic. They claim they are pro life, yet, have no problem advocating for the opening of the country, when they know it's unsafe to do so. They always try to purge voter lists, they engage in voter supression, and the conservative majority in the Supreme Court, even stopped people from voting by mail in the midst of a pandemic, while they safely did it by mail (In Michigan or Wisconsin I think). They are usually among the champions of stopping legislation meant to create equal payment to women. They tend to oppose equal marriage. And they acquitted president Trump when he obviously had broken the law. Lindsey Graham, a republican, even was opposed to increasing the benefits to unemployed people during this pandemic, because those people "Would get used to it and would stop working". Those things off the top of my head. I admit, maybe republican voters are not the ones at fault here, but the politicians of their party, but if you support them, then I assume you support their policies, like deregulating banks and wall street. To give huge corporations tax breaks, and giving them billions of bailout money, yet for some reason, keep adamant about giving a second round of checks to working people. But they are the ones having to live with themselves. Sounds like you are brainwashed. You think Democrats are any better? LOL Why are you liking your own posts?
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Post by baltized on May 30, 2020 22:40:21 GMT -5
Sounds like you are brainwashed. You think Democrats are any better? LOL No, democrats might be as bad as republicans, but at least the face they show is that they try and help people even when republicans refuse to do so. And I am not brainwashed, what statement in my post is false? Or do you agree with those all policies? You are seriously brainwashed. My God. Democrats don’t “help” people anymore than Republicans do.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 23:06:46 GMT -5
No, democrats might be as bad as republicans, but at least the face they show is that they try and help people even when republicans refuse to do so. And I am not brainwashed, what statement in my post is false? Or do you agree with those all policies? You are seriously brainwashed. My God. Democrats don’t “help” people anymore than Republicans do. While I think democrats, for all the bad they can do, are better than republicans, it seems you ignored the comment I made. I was trying to find middle ground with you by saying democrats can be bad, but the face they show is a helping face. I wanted you to think "Well, XFER is not saying democrats are perfect, he admits they can be just as bad" but since you skipped that part, you avoided the questions I raised. What accusation I made of republicans is false? Do you agree with those abysmal policies? I also read today some article, that the longest people have been in the wrong side of whatever argument, it makes them double down and stick with the sinking ship, just to save face. I hope that's not the case with you, and that if you vote for republicans, you do it because they are proposing good policies that will benefit people and not only because you have been republican for a long time.
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Post by tim on May 30, 2020 23:33:04 GMT -5
You are seriously brainwashed. My God. Democrats don’t “help” people anymore than Republicans do. Never has the phrase “The pot calling the kettle black” been more appropriate than with your statement. And I don’t want to be stereotypical but I’d also guess you fall into the “Whataboutism” crowd too. In all seriousness, though, I will come back around and comment a bit further on my thoughts regarding artists and politics.
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Post by baltized on May 31, 2020 1:16:55 GMT -5
You are seriously brainwashed. My God. Democrats don’t “help” people anymore than Republicans do. While I think democrats, for all the bad they can do, are better than republicans, it seems you ignored the comment I made. I was trying to find middle ground with you by saying democrats can be bad, but the face they show is a helping face. I wanted you to think "Well, XFER is not saying democrats are perfect, he admits they can be just as bad" but since you skipped that part, you avoided the questions I raised. What accusation I made of republicans is false? Do you agree with those abysmal policies? I also read today some article, that the longest people have been in the wrong side of whatever argument, it makes them double down and stick with the sinking ship, just to save face. I hope that's not the case with you, and that if you vote for republicans, you do it because they are proposing good policies that will benefit people and not only because you have been republican for a long time. I’m 31 and used to occasionally vote Democrat when I was younger and just started to vote. Then I realized they don’t have our best interests in mind and are the bigger idiots of the two. Republican aren’t trying to “oppress” anybody like you claim. That is the huge lie that I have a problem with.
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Post by tim on May 31, 2020 1:28:46 GMT -5
I’m 31 and used to occasionally vote Democrat when I was younger and just started to vote. Then I realized they don’t have our best interests in mind and are the bigger idiots of the two. Republican aren’t trying to “oppress” anybody like you claim. That is the huge lie that I have a problem with. So given how this pandemic could in turn impact the general election you’d certainly be in favor of everyone being able to vote by absentee ballot right? I mean, you obviously wouldn’t want to “oppress” anybody so I couldn’t think of any reason why you’d be against this idea.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 1:44:51 GMT -5
I like John Rich & Natalie Maines lol
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 1:47:54 GMT -5
While I think democrats, for all the bad they can do, are better than republicans, it seems you ignored the comment I made. I was trying to find middle ground with you by saying democrats can be bad, but the face they show is a helping face. I wanted you to think "Well, XFER is not saying democrats are perfect, he admits they can be just as bad" but since you skipped that part, you avoided the questions I raised. What accusation I made of republicans is false? Do you agree with those abysmal policies? I also read today some article, that the longest people have been in the wrong side of whatever argument, it makes them double down and stick with the sinking ship, just to save face. I hope that's not the case with you, and that if you vote for republicans, you do it because they are proposing good policies that will benefit people and not only because you have been republican for a long time. I’m 31 and used to occasionally vote Democrat when I was younger and just started to vote. Then I realized they don’t have our best interests in mind and are the bigger idiots of the two. Republican aren’t trying to “oppress” anybody like you claim. That is the huge lie that I have a problem with. I do NOT want to sound like I'm right no matter what, but I keep referring you back to my post and you do not address the issues raised on it, you just generalize it all and say I'm brainwashed. I'm gonna let you out of this in trade for you to reply to this: Republicans don't want to give additional aid to the working class, while they gave HUGE amounts of dollars to big companies as bailout (and with no strings attached), while small businesses got loans (that they have to pay eventually). Democrats are fighting at the very least for another round of checks to people, which is particularly important now that over 40 million people lost their jobs. Do you see my point? Republicans want to slash social security in their next relief bill... if it ever comes. While democrats included provisions to help smaller businesses and people. In a moment so crucial to so many millions of people, can you see which party is actually trying to help?
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Post by bboat11 on May 31, 2020 5:53:20 GMT -5
This current conversation is waaaaaay too deep for me with all this economic mumbo jumbo. All we need to know is that the Republican Party is the one rallying behind a man who said “I did try to fuck her. She was married. I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful. I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything!”
And proceeding to prop that same man up like some shining example of the Perfect Christian Leader... As long as the GOP continues to feed into and enable such behavior, they have absolutely no moral ground to stand on whatsoever.
So we can gtfo with that “The Democrats are just as bad” bullshit. And get back to the point of the thread, which is whether or not your opinion of musicians changes when they voice their political opinions.
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Post by baltized on May 31, 2020 10:32:57 GMT -5
This current conversation is waaaaaay too deep for me with all this economic mumbo jumbo. All we need to know is that the Republican Party is the one rallying behind a man who said “I did try to f**k her. She was married. I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful. I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything!” And proceeding to prop that same man up like some shining example of the Perfect Christian Leader... As long as the GOP continues to feed into and enable such behavior, they have absolutely no moral ground to stand on whatsoever. So we can gtfo with that “The Democrats are just as bad” bulls**t. And get back to the point of the thread, which is whether or not your opinion of musicians changes when they voice their political opinions. And the democrats still stood behind Bill Clinton, who raped a few women including the infamous Monica Lewinski.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 31, 2020 10:40:11 GMT -5
My belief is that society can’t operate under Republican guidance unless every single person followed that same belief system because the basis of it is rooted in what amounts to inequality toward minorities. A left-wing-guided governance could work on the basis that people are treated based on who they are. It isn’t “equal” in the most basic sense of the word but it takes into account inequalities of society and attempts to work those out. Not everyone will be happy but at least everyone stands to succeed with a bare minimum.
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Post by bboat11 on May 31, 2020 14:02:44 GMT -5
This current conversation is waaaaaay too deep for me with all this economic mumbo jumbo. All we need to know is that the Republican Party is the one rallying behind a man who said “I did try to f**k her. She was married. I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful. I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything!” And proceeding to prop that same man up like some shining example of the Perfect Christian Leader... As long as the GOP continues to feed into and enable such behavior, they have absolutely no moral ground to stand on whatsoever. So we can gtfo with that “The Democrats are just as bad” bulls**t. And get back to the point of the thread, which is whether or not your opinion of musicians changes when they voice their political opinions. And the democrats still stood behind Bill Clinton, who raped a few women including the infamous Monica Lewinski. I guess I missed the part where he was caught bragging about it on tape and it only made his supporters love him more.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 14:09:28 GMT -5
To me politics is no longer about differing economic and political opinions. Its become literally a matter of life and death, good vs evil. I dont go looking for people or artists political stances but once it lands on my desk it makes me take action. If you spout of xenophobic and racist takes or one sided views i wont support your music. I've taken associates and friends of my social media and life for anti immigrant or anti Islamic takes .
If I won't put up with it from people I know why would I voluntarily support a musician who is against me?
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Post by vamp111 on May 31, 2020 22:11:12 GMT -5
Can we get this thread locked? Its turned ugly like the OP feared.
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Jun 1, 2020 9:53:20 GMT -5
I couldn't have responded to this dEmOcRaTs aRe JuSt aS bAd bulls**t more eloquently than bboat11. What he said 100000000000000000%. Also what Rose "Payola" Nylund said. 100000000000000000%.
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Post by baltized on Jun 1, 2020 21:21:09 GMT -5
And the democrats still stood behind Bill Clinton, who raped a few women including the infamous Monica Lewinski. I guess I missed the part where he was caught bragging about it on tape and it only made his supporters love him more. You’re generalizing like a typical liberal (see I can generalize too!). The vast majority of people who voted for him thought the comment was stupid. Democrats on the other hand, still defend the rapist Bill Clinton. Now your precious Biden has people accusing him of rape. Oops.
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Post by bboat11 on Jun 1, 2020 22:42:39 GMT -5
I guess I missed the part where he was caught bragging about it on tape and it only made his supporters love him more. You’re generalizing like a typical liberal (see I can generalize too!). The vast majority of people who voted for him thought the comment was stupid. Democrats on the other hand, still defend the rapist Bill Clinton. Now your precious Biden has people accusing him of rape. Oops. My precious Biden 😂😂😂 Oh Jesus
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 1, 2020 22:45:28 GMT -5
Forget musicians. Political stance affects how much I like a pulse poster.
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Jun 2, 2020 7:41:57 GMT -5
Forget musicians. Political stance affects how much I like a pulse poster. !!!!!!!!!!!! It's one thing to have discussions about this. It's another thing entirely to resort to "oh you're just a typical Liberal." That's...toxic at best.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 2, 2020 7:49:33 GMT -5
I hate it when just about any celebrity get political. They need to realize they have fans on both sides or even people like me who is on neither side, and anytime they say anything one way or another its gonna rile up their fans either good or bad depending on what your view is. I don't mind when they acknowledge something bad happening in the world, like what happened the other day in minneapolis(or whats even still happening with the looting, etc) but as long as they don't twist it to be a conservative vs liberal issue then i think that is fine. My feelings are that people are entitled to feel the way they feel and why because you are famous should your opinion be more worthy? For me at least its simply a turnoff when i see it and is more likely to make me not want to listen to their music, watch their movie, or whatever the case may be. Too many people just go by what others tell them how they should think or feel, and that just makes me sad that there's alot of people out there that can't seem to think for themselves. Definitely one of the major drawbacks of social media. They don't "need" to realize it. Musicians are still citizens who have a right to a viewpoint and to express that viewpoint. They of course may alienate some fans in doing so, but that's like telling me not to say "Black Lives Matter" on social media because I might lose some friends. Tbh if they don't like it, I don't want them as friends. I am sure many musicians feel that way about their fans when it comes to some specific issues. As for the topic question; yes, political views can affect my fandom. I don't want my money (not to mention my time and energy) going toward an artist that supports things I find discriminatory, offensive, etc.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 2, 2020 7:56:51 GMT -5
While I think democrats, for all the bad they can do, are better than republicans, it seems you ignored the comment I made. I was trying to find middle ground with you by saying democrats can be bad, but the face they show is a helping face. I wanted you to think "Well, XFER is not saying democrats are perfect, he admits they can be just as bad" but since you skipped that part, you avoided the questions I raised. What accusation I made of republicans is false? Do you agree with those abysmal policies? I also read today some article, that the longest people have been in the wrong side of whatever argument, it makes them double down and stick with the sinking ship, just to save face. I hope that's not the case with you, and that if you vote for republicans, you do it because they are proposing good policies that will benefit people and not only because you have been republican for a long time. I’m 31 and used to occasionally vote Democrat when I was younger and just started to vote. Then I realized they don’t have our best interests in mind and are the bigger idiots of the two. Republican aren’t trying to “oppress” anybody like you claim. That is the huge lie that I have a problem with. Have you missed all of the instances around the country where Republicans gerrymander, suppress votes, etc? There have been plenty of court rulings overturning the practices and even stating they are discriminatory. Republicans' economic policies are also responsible for the increase in income inequality in our nation, which keeps a lot of people oppressed. We also know Republican criminal justice policies tend to result in more arrests and harsher sentences (including the death penalty) for minorities.
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Post by fe_lipeoliveira on Jun 2, 2020 9:47:20 GMT -5
I think the very idea of being affected or not by artists' ~political views and stances is a privilege. Like many have said, some of these beliefs and statements go against my right of just being and existing. As a black gay guy listening to country music from Brazil, I see a lot of things from the outside and it's shocking sometimes. I try my best to get past it, but it's not always easy.
For example, I still remember those specific tweets by two country singers I love and somewhat admire, and I was kinda disappointed. But I have to remember that unfortunately we will never agree on everything, so I try be a little more understanding. That's kind of the point of the idea of democracy and hegemony anyway. Of course I do this because I like them. If they were artists I do not care about, I wouldn't even mind. They were commenting on Obama's reelection.
People weren't telling them to shut up and sing. They were not worried about losing fans. I think there's a double standards when it comes to artists being ~political or not. Like, if I agree with them, that's ok, you have a right of having and voicing your opinion. If I disagree, then I think you shouldn't be talking about it. It's a very oppressive way of thinking and it shows how our society is build.
I think everything is political. Living is political. Making art is political. Chosing to make art that is ~apolitical is political. For me, it means that you have the privilege of living your life without being affected to a lot of the issues that affects a lot of people in the whole world. So, to answer the question of the topic, yes.
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Post by fe_lipeoliveira on Jun 2, 2020 10:08:25 GMT -5
Also, just to add a little fuel to the fire, since Dolly has been mentioned before, I remember this particular photo she posted on the very same week that Trump was calling Colin Kaepernick a son of a b* that should be fired for not STANDING during the national anthem. https://www.instagram.com/p/BZgvHKWBwAZ I know she tends to shy away from controversial topics, but I find her attitude very similar to people who pretend to be on the fence, but every now and then let something slip. Like saying we need to pray and cheer for whoever's in charge, I think that's interesting because that was not said when other people were in charge, you know? As we can see, Martina and Sara were NOT praying for Obama when he got reelected lol Anyway, there's a lot of things here and there that sometimes raise my eyebrows and you can see by my ressurrecting posts from 2012 that I can't let go But then again, country music today is mostly made by southern white people so I try not to be that surprised when things like these catch my attention.
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Post by bboat11 on Jun 2, 2020 11:27:30 GMT -5
I think the very idea of being affected or not by artists' ~political views and stances is a privilege. Like many have said, some of these beliefs and statements go against my right of just being and existing. As a black gay guy listening to country music from Brazil, I see a lot of things from the outside and it's shocking sometimes. I try my best to get past it, but it's not always easy. For example, I still remember those specific tweets by two country singers I love and somewhat admire, and I was kinda disappointed. But I have to remember that unfortunately we will never agree on everything, so I try be a little more understanding. That's kind of the point of the idea of democracy and hegemony anyway. Of course I do this because I like them. If they were artists I do not care about, I wouldn't even mind. They were commenting on Obama's reelection. People weren't telling them to shut up and sing. They were not worried about losing fans. I think there's a double standards when it comes to artists being ~political or not. Like, if I agree with them, that's ok, you have a right of having and voicing your opinion. If I disagree, then I think you shouldn't be talking about it. It's a very oppressive way of thinking and it shows how our society is build. I think everything is political. Living is political. Making art is political. Chosing to make art that is ~apolitical is political. For me, it means that you have the privilege of living your life without being affected to a lot of the issues that affects a lot of people in the whole world. So, to answer the question of the topic, yes. Oh yes, I remember that day... Seeing that tweet from Sara come up was shocking and kinda ruined my day 😰 I remember her getting all kinds of backlash though, and I thought she deleted the tweet after a few hours... It was sad though, as she was literally whining just to hear herself whine... Not a good look at all! The Martina tweet, though, feels very different from Sara’s to me, and I would actually say it is quite on-brand for her. It is distinctly non-political, as it doesn’t draw a line between two sides. Hell, everybody in the US could agree that politicians spend WAAAAAY too much money on funding elections. She didn’t seem sad about Obama specifically being elected as much as she was critical of our electoral system. She is merely using her platform to call out a corrupt or unjust system and offer a more humane viewpoint, which we all know she has always tried to do throughout her career. I have always admired her ability to speak out about injustice without getting political ♥️ It’s partly why she has such a classy reputation, I’m sure.
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