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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 0:14:56 GMT -5
A live from home type of show would have felt more organic than this.
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Post by Anticonformity on Aug 31, 2020 0:46:00 GMT -5
Wow, I guess I'm the only one who happy to have something to take my mind off of the world falling apart for moment...
I feel like covid or not peeps would complain as they seem to do every year...
Just don't get that, but anyway I was blown away by GaGa and hoping 911 is the next single as that and Fun Tonight are some of the best songs she ever recorded...
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Post by m450n on Aug 31, 2020 0:47:54 GMT -5
This is how you do a performance.
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Post by lancey on Aug 31, 2020 1:16:38 GMT -5
A lip sync fest!
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 31, 2020 2:34:07 GMT -5
I was honestly more annoyed at the fact that they couldn't make these performances live given that the show was pre-recorded and not in front of any audience. Yeah why did Roddy and MalumaΒ J BalvinΒ back out? Obviously they were all pre-recorded performances. What, did MTV decide to pre-record the show like 2 weeks ago? They backed out for safety concerns. They also taped it 2 weeks in advance probably so they could edit it.
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 31, 2020 2:36:55 GMT -5
The Gaga performance was recorded last minute though, if we believe what her and Ariana's IG told us.
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Post by pnobelysk on Aug 31, 2020 2:41:07 GMT -5
So yes this was bad but i donβt feel comfortable saying the vmas donβt matter anymore this is the worst etc when this was put on during covid. Like they usually get much bigger names but that truly just wasnβt an option this year. The US (and the world) are in a bad/weird place right now. I doubt the Americans music awards are going to be 100x better than this
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Post by spiritboy on Aug 31, 2020 7:54:22 GMT -5
Congrats to all winners!! And also congrats to MTV for preparing a good show during the pandemic, i enjoyed the show. Now if i have to comment on some performances;
- Miley gave the best performance of the night. It was so iconic. - Black Eyed Peas bored me to death, couldn't watch the whole thing. - The Weeknd was also good, the song still sounds great. - Didn't like Gaga's performance. I enjoyed Rain On Me though. - Julia Michaels & JP Cooper gave a very cute performance. - Lewis Capaldi served good vocals.
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Post by spiritboy on Aug 31, 2020 8:04:10 GMT -5
Isn't singing live banned during this pandemic? I remember reading something like that, in UK musical theatres were told they were only allowed to perform if they lip synced. Singing helps the virus spread faster and wider. It's only logical that only pre-recorded vocals were allowed on this show.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 31, 2020 9:35:03 GMT -5
I thought we knew that? Even some of the camera shot-to-shot of the host couldnβt be done live. There were a couple of instances where continuity wasnβt as smooth as it would be if it were live.
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Post by Joe1240 on Aug 31, 2020 9:46:26 GMT -5
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Post by Choco on Aug 31, 2020 11:46:09 GMT -5
Wow, I guess I'm the only one who happy to have something to take my mind off of the world falling apart for moment... I understand your point but to me it had the opposite effect. Every weird cut, green screen and mask reminded me of the mess we're currently living. What little I saw of Premios Juventud had a much better flow to it. Btw some New York residents confirmed the fireworks for The Weeknd happened earlier in the week. It wasn't even dark in NY when they aired the performance lol.
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Post by kimberly on Aug 31, 2020 12:12:30 GMT -5
Gaga literally changed by laying on the floor lol everything must have required a lot more time to set up and film, a live production would not be possible to pull off.
To the singing point, I also think live vocals would require more crew to be involved and a live broadcast would require an additional team on top of that. That's in addition to the fact that singing spreads more particles that could potentially infect others.
Overall, I get what they were trying to do with the show, but I don't think they succeeded. They would have been much, much better off had they done a "live at home" version and let artists send in their performances. That way, it would promote staying at home, bring in a better lineup of artists AND be less dystopian of a viewing experience.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 31, 2020 12:30:28 GMT -5
Having a live feed set up in artistβs homes might work (assuming they were able to work out any and all kinks) but it would severely limit the potential for what types of performances they could have. Any chance for upbeat numbers with decent production values would be stripped to the artists dancing in their living rooms like kids putting on performances for their parents. It would work if the big names were musicians and performers instead of performers, but I donβt think people are interested in another One World or whatever the show was from earlier in the year.
I am curious, sceptical and worried about how the Grammys will do it when the time comes. I think having an Oscar-audience setup with tables might be an option, since there could be space between those, and maybe focus more on musical numbers and less on high energy dancing performances with big stage setups might work. I feel like the Oscars is an award show that could be done because much of it is clips and speeches, which can be done without much interaction. The challenge comes with performances requiring many people.
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Post by kimberly on Aug 31, 2020 12:41:58 GMT -5
Having a live feed set up in artistβs homes might work (assuming they were able to work out any and all kinks) but it would severely limit the potential for what types of performances they could have. Any chance for upbeat numbers with decent production values would be stripped to the artists dancing in their living rooms like kids putting on performances for their parents. It would work if the big names were musicians and performers instead of performers, but I donβt think people are interested in another One World or whatever the show was from earlier in the year. I am curious, sceptical and worried about how the Grammys will do it when the time comes. I think having an Oscar-audience setup with tables might be an option, since there could be space between those, and maybe focus more on musical numbers and less on high energy dancing performances with big stage setups might work. I feel like the Oscars is an award show that could be done because much of it is clips and speeches, which can be done without much interaction. The challenge comes with performances requiring many people. These performances were all done in quarantine, and worked really well in my opinion, much better than anything we saw last night aside from Doja and Chloe x Halle:
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 31, 2020 12:56:05 GMT -5
And Gaga, donβt even pretend Gaga didnβt give it with her performance. I also thought the BTS performance was pretty good too despite the obvious green screening. But having them perform actually in person is very unlikely.
In any case, point taken. Itβs possible to do. I think the challenge just might be how to arrange the audience while keeping things safe.
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Post by kimberly on Aug 31, 2020 13:10:06 GMT -5
And Gaga, donβt even pretend Gaga didnβt give it with her performance. I also thought the BTS performance was pretty good too despite the obvious green screening. But having them perform actually in person is very unlikely. In any case, point taken. Itβs possible to do. I think the challenge just might be how to arrange the audience while keeping things safe. Gaga's performance had weird cuts, and the mask and lighting were both quite awful imo. Again, to each their own, but I don't see myself ever revisiting Gaga's performance (whereas I might go back to Doja's and I've already rewatched Chloe x Halle's). Had Gaga done this in LA, with a crew she made sure got tested negative twice, filming on her private property, I think she could have put on a much better show.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 1, 2020 0:36:02 GMT -5
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Post by forg on Sept 1, 2020 0:38:28 GMT -5
I'm bored of at-home/zoom performances at this point so I'm glad MTV tried something else that could work with limited setup. I really like the Blinding Lights performance in particular and renewed my interest of the song again and it has been on repeat!
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 1, 2020 2:07:27 GMT -5
Yes. I was bored at times but that was because of the lack of interaction between the audience, not because MTV failed to do a broadcast. If they can return to normal next year, I think the show will be fine again.
Obviously they need the Gaga and BTS of 2021 as well to draw attention but with that encouraging numbers it shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by aussie1 on Sept 1, 2020 4:15:02 GMT -5
Not sure if it is true or not but I saw on Twitter that the showed drew in 0.7M viewers.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 1, 2020 4:21:41 GMT -5
Not sure if it is true or not but I saw on Twitter that the showed drew in 0.7M viewers. I saw 6+ million, and an increase on last year, but I donβt know if itβs confirmed or true.
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Post by kimberly on Sept 1, 2020 4:31:57 GMT -5
Not sure if it is true or not but I saw on Twitter that the showed drew in 0.7M viewers. I saw 6+ million, and an increase on last year, but I donβt know if itβs confirmed or true. 6 million figure is correct, but the viewership size actually continued its downward trend. from Deadline: it seems that the people who did tune in kept watching for longer, so I guess there's that?
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 1, 2020 13:12:58 GMT -5
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Post by Choco on Sept 1, 2020 14:49:20 GMT -5
Down 5% in spite of actually airing on broadcast this year ain't great, but 6.4M is a decent number for 2020. Award shows aren't getting great numbers anymore.
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Post by kanimal on Sept 1, 2020 15:02:50 GMT -5
6.4 million isn't the real number - it includes the pre-show and encores.
Real number looks to be in the 4-4.5 million range, which would be down from 4.9 million last year. Not a terrible drop, but keep in mind last year's show aired on a Monday, had fewer simulcasts (and notably didn't include The CW, which contributed over 800K viewers this year**), and set a record low.
**People will argue that more simulcasts = the same viewer pool just spreads out across different channels, but it doesn't work that way. Simulcasts do seem to expand the reach of a program.
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Post by felipe on Sept 11, 2020 13:59:18 GMT -5
Gaga's performance had weird cuts, and the mask and lighting were both quite awful imo. Again, to each their own, but I don't see myself ever revisiting Gaga's performance (whereas I might go back to Doja's and I've already rewatched Chloe x Halle's). Had Gaga done this in LA, with a crew she made sure got tested negative twice, filming on her private property, I think she could have put on a much better show. You make not like the weird cuts or her masks, but these were her choices, not limitations imposed by MTV. I guess you might like not this year's lineup, their song choices and so on, but I think they actually managed to put out performances that feel just like regular VMA performances. If you watch The Weeknd's performance, or Miley's, you don't really see the limitations imposed by the pandemic at all.
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Post by kimberly on Sept 11, 2020 18:37:37 GMT -5
Gaga's performance had weird cuts, and the mask and lighting were both quite awful imo. Again, to each their own, but I don't see myself ever revisiting Gaga's performance (whereas I might go back to Doja's and I've already rewatched Chloe x Halle's). Had Gaga done this in LA, with a crew she made sure got tested negative twice, filming on her private property, I think she could have put on a much better show.Β You make not like the weird cuts or her masks, but these were her choices, not limitations imposed by MTV. I guess you might like not this year's lineup, their song choices and so on, but I think they actually managed to put out performances that feel just like regular VMA performances. If you watch The Weeknd's performance, or Miley's, you don't really see the limitations imposed by the pandemic at all. they still werenβt live. I find the βpretending to be live when itβs clearly re-recordedβ kinda thing unsettling.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Sept 12, 2020 8:26:35 GMT -5
Can't wait till next year when we all get mad at the nominations and winners again!
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