Billboard Hot 100: 07/25/2020

[thegreatdivine]

Jul 14, 2020 5:31:06 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Album	Artist	Day 1	Day 2	Day 3	Day 4	Day 5	Day 6	Day 7
Carter V	Lil Wayne	49,469,116	30,039,134	19,224,681	21,322,277	18,209,086	15,989,633	14,141,864
Legends Never Die	Juice WRLD	47,849,132	30,786,059	23,133,726	22,473,754	-	-	-

124,242,671 US streams from Spotify in 4 days. If it holds steady at 22,500,000 for the next 3 days, that'll bring it to 191,742,671 US streams from Spotify alone for the week. If it pulls 200 million streams from Apple Music, that's just under 400 million streams from two streaming services. It should surpass Tha Carter V's record, but I keep feeling like it'll miss it by just a tiny bit. I hope I'm wrong.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Spotify - 07/11/20

1(=) Juice WRLD - Come & Go 2,070,101 (+20,436)
2(=) Juice WRLD - Wishing Well 1,922,944 (+136,536)
3(=) Juice WRLD - Conversations 1,601,303 (-110,555)
4(=) Juice WRLD - Life's a Mess 1,522,122 (-25,721)
5(=) Juice WRLD - Hate the Other Side 1,442,180 (-55,016)
6(=) DaBaby - ROCKSTAR 1,422,185 (+21,179)
7(=) Juice WRLD - Righteous 1,319,932 (-54,466)
8(=) Juice WRLD - Blood on My Jeans 1,184,040 (-15,575)
9(=) Juice WRLD - Titanic 1,136,298 (-61,111)
10(=) Juice WRLD - Bad Energy 1,100,729 (-55,264)

Legends Never Die:
11(=) Stay High 1,049,087 (-17,693)
12(+2) Up Up And Away 1,017,178 (-24,906)
13(=) Fighting Demons 1,002,388 (-42,849)
15(-3) Tell Me U Luv Me 992,563 (-69,440)
16(-1) Screw Juice 959,178 (-62,789)
17(=) Man of the Year 914,892 (-12,607)
19(-1) I Want It 886,171 (-40,872)
21(-2) Can't Die 876,414 (-33,820)
44(-8) Anxiety - Intro 508,326 (-46,670)
48(-8) The Man, The Myth, The Legend - Interlude 492,024 (-41,799)
53(-10) Juice WRLD Speaks from Heaven - Outro 475,884 (-45,791)

Others:
14(+2) Jack Harlow - WHATS POPPIN Remix 996,300 (+44,177)
18(+2) Lil Mosey - Blueberry Faygo 908,978 (+35,305)
20(+1) Harry Styles - Watermelon Sugar 877,311 (+14,402)
22(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 842,458 (-38)
23(=) Pop Smoke - For the Night 798,451 (+25,463)
24(=) StaySolidRocky - Party Girl 778,031 (+48,018)
25(+2) Rod Wave - Rags2Riches 749,101 (+81,002)
26(-1) Lil Baby - We Paid 726,236 (+19,501)
27(-1) Jawsh 365 - Savage Love 708,548 (+15,317)
28(=) Pop Smoke - The Woo 707,800 (+74,419)
30(-1) SAINt JHN - Roses (Imanbek Remix) 626,555 (-1,807)
32(-1) Kid Cudi - The Adventures of Moon Man & Slim Shady 608,026 (-16,035)
33(=) Lil Baby - The Bigger Picture 591,530 (+6,139)
34(+4) Don Toliver - After Party 570,738 (+27,651)
36(-1) Megan Thee Stallion - Savage Remix 552,766 (-11,375)
37(+4) Jack Harlow - WHATS POPPIN 552,343 (+19,600)
40(+2) Lady Gaga - Rain on Me 539,376 (+11,190)
41(+3) powfu - death bed 536,593 (+30,822)
42(+3) The Kid LAROI - GO! 525,475 (+28,466)
45(+1) Justin Bieber - Intentions 501,202 (+15,405)
51(+1) Chris Brown - Go Crazy 479,778 (+36,363)
54(+7) Polo G - Flex 461,324 (+55,340)
60(+8) Lewis Capaldi - Before You Go 420,738 (+40,107)
61(+2) Ariana Grande - Stuck with U 420,256 (+23,534)
62(-6) YG - SWAG 419,387 (-16,856)
64(-4) Dua Lipa - Break My Heart 412,415 (-6,297)
66(+13) Polo G - 21 403,080 (+42,121)
67(+8) Wallows - Are You Bored Yet? 398,465 (+34,306)
72(-6) BENEE - Supalonely 392,810 (+215)
73(=) Marshmello - Be Kind 389,866 (+20,813)
74(=) Curtis Waters - Stunnin' 386,605 (+22,274)
76(-9) StaySolidRocky - Party Girl Remix 377,548 (-4,720)
81(-4) Doja Cat - Say So 364,345 (+1,512)
82(-10) Surf Mesa - ily 371,058 (-36,366)
83(+3) Topic - Breaking Me 357,748 (+15,262)
92(+6) Kane Brown - Be Like That 325,567 (+21,957)
99(+17) Renée Elise Goldsberry - Satisfied 292,455 (+23,821)

109(+6) Lil Durk - 3 Headed Goat 281,980 (+12,957)
110(+7) Peach Tree Rascals - Mariposa 281,478 (+13,050)

[strongerq]

Jul 14, 2020 4:51:55 GMT -5 higilo said:

Jul 14, 2020 4:41:52 GMT -5 shayonce said:

he has strong streams. his next album will hit #1 easily too. so he's fine.

It'll hit #1 but it might not be one of the highest performing albums of the year

ASTROWORLD had 1,985,000 SPS in 2018 (464,000 album sales). In 2019 it had 1,201,000 Album Units.

It might not have a huge first week. ASTROWORLD had huge hype + bundles. But overall he will sell pretty high.

The only albums that have sold 2M in the first year and then 1M in second year in the "Streaming era (2015-)" are: Scorpion(3.9M ->1.2M), beerbongs & bentleys(3.3M ->1.4M),       ÷ (2.8M -> 1.5M), DAMN.(2.7M -> 1M), Reputation (2.3M -> 1M), Beauty Behind The Madness(2M -> 1M), Purpose(2.2M -> 1.6M) & 25(8M -> 2.2M). This year Hollywood's Bleeding & WHEN WE ALL FALL ASLEEP WHERE DO WE GO? will sell over 1M so (HB already has, Billie is 200K short) so they can be counted too.

[thelegends]

Jul 14, 2020 3:12:08 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

TROLLZ is gonna be out next week after spending only four weeks on the charts

You love to see it happen.

Taylor Hicks is celebrating rn.

[Abbaschand]

Jul 14, 2020 5:58:36 GMT -5 thelegends said:

Jul 14, 2020 3:12:08 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

TROLLZ is gonna be out next week after spending only four weeks on the charts

You love to see it happen.

Taylor Hicks is celebrating rn.

I hope he's secretly a Pulse member. I want him to know that even though he's far from relevant, we (loyal chart followers) will never forget him.

[GP]

Bye Bye Bundles!

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 13, 2020 12:05:19 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Jul 13, 2020 11:56:24 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

It's also possible that not many people care about the new DJ Khaled. His song with Post and Travis reached the mighty #52.

It's possible, but then again, Post Malone and Travis Scott are not Drake.

Lol, I’ve kind of missed you

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 13, 2020 19:40:41 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Streaming is, by far and away, the most accurate measure of music consumption. Streaming is how people and most active music consumers (youth) absorb music in digital age. There's no need for a seperate ''streaming songs'' chart anymore. Hot 100 should be all streaming chart!

I agree streaming isn’t accurate but it still only captures a portion of the population. Even if youth are the most active music consumers, that isn’t reason enough to completely drop other demos who aren’t as active or who consume music through other means - actively or passively.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 13, 2020 20:02:05 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Radio deals need to be forbidden, especially those massive deals (think Cardi & Bruno's Please Me) that can influence chart positions quite a bit and result in almost 40M audience within 7 days. That's beyond ridiculous and shady.

What if radio deals are driven by radio without label involvement? I’ve tried asking on here before and no one seems to know for sure what a “radio deal” even is.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 13, 2020 20:23:28 GMT -5 kimberly said:

In most cases, the "deals" come with incentives like concert tickets artist give away to the listeners of that channel, or on the flip side, for big enough artists, radio needs them more than they need radio. Announcing "we're playing new Taylor Swift song top of every hour" is a great way to get people to listen to you and interact with you on socials. 

Do you know this for sure though?

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 13, 2020 23:33:22 GMT -5 iHype. said:

The problem isn't radio being included imo, but radio's fckin lack of pace as of recent. It's just pathetic at this point they're basically now ignoring most new music in preference of a majority playlist that are megahits from 6 months - 2 years ago. It's intolerable that Don't Start Now, Circles, Blinding Lights, and Adore You are still being played every single hour on stations. Seriously who can sit and tolerate hearing these songs every single time they turn on their car still? You truly have to be the most basic type of person that just isn't in touch with anything else in music. 

You think that’s bad, when until you find out what classic rock stations have been playing for the last 30 years.

[Enigma.]

Jul 14, 2020 7:34:35 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jul 13, 2020 19:40:41 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Streaming is, by far and away, the most accurate measure of music consumption. Streaming is how people and most active music consumers (youth) absorb music in digital age. There's no need for a seperate ''streaming songs'' chart anymore. Hot 100 should be all streaming chart!

I agree streaming isn’t accurate but it still only captures a portion of the population. Even if youth are the most active music consumers, that isn’t reason enough to completely drop other demos who aren’t as active or who consume music through other means - actively or passively.

Not to mention that streaming alone would mean that there would be less room for diversity and gender equality as everything in it (playlisting, gender bias, listening habits and collaboration culture) favors male (solo) artists.

thebaffler.com/latest/discover-weakly-pelly

[GP]

Drake is back and so is thegreatdivine's feud with Pulse, the nostalgia is hitting me.

[shaz196]

Jul 14, 2020 5:42:35 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Jul 14, 2020 5:31:06 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Album	Artist	Day 1	Day 2	Day 3	Day 4	Day 5	Day 6	Day 7
Carter V	Lil Wayne	49,469,116	30,039,134	19,224,681	21,322,277	18,209,086	15,989,633	14,141,864
Legends Never Die	Juice WRLD	47,849,132	30,786,059	23,133,726	22,473,754	-	-	-

124,242,671 US streams from Spotify in 4 days. If it holds steady at 22,500,000 for the next 3 days, that'll bring it to 191,742,671 US streams from Spotify alone for the week. If it pulls 200 million streams from Apple Music, that's just under 400 million streams from two streaming services. It should surpass Tha Carter V's record, but I keep feeling like it'll miss it by just a tiny bit. I hope I'm wrong.

HDD's projections puts Juice around 310-330k SEA, give or take the few thousand units that are TEA. Wayne had 325k SEA with 433 million streams. The addition of YouTube streams and Juice's performance on SoundCloud's subscription service should make up for Wayne doing better on AM.

I'm leaning towards Juice having a bigger streaming total, but with a similar SEA conversion due to Wayne having a greater percentage of paid streams.

[fhas]

Jul 14, 2020 0:53:29 GMT -5 starlord said:

Funny how Travis scott got 2 no 1 from bundles and still got away from getting mentioned. Poor Justin, lol.

Maybe because all of his #1s also reached #1 on Streaming Songs with big numbers.

[iHype.]

Jul 14, 2020 7:40:05 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jul 13, 2020 23:33:22 GMT -5 iHype. said:

The problem isn't radio being included imo, but radio's fckin lack of pace as of recent. It's just pathetic at this point they're basically now ignoring most new music in preference of a majority playlist that are megahits from 6 months - 2 years ago. It's intolerable that Don't Start Now, Circles, Blinding Lights, and Adore You are still being played every single hour on stations. Seriously who can sit and tolerate hearing these songs every single time they turn on their car still? You truly have to be the most basic type of person that just isn't in touch with anything else in music. 

You think that’s bad, when until you find out what classic rock stations have been playing for the last 30 years.

Well the format is “classic” so they have the rights to play the same 10 songs from years ago lol.

Top 40 is branded as “the current hits” but playing majority songs that consumers stopped personally consuming months ago. Urban radio atleast actually is still largely playing current / upcoming hits, any time I listen to radio now I’m playing that current format solely.

Toosie Slide, Savage, Life Is Good, and the likes already are far down the charts. Go Crazy is already #1 in its 9th week charting.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Along with TROLLZ exiting this week, GOOBA might also leave (so 6ix9ine might not have a song on the year-end after all ), After a Few and Beer Can't Fix might get cutoff and not make the year-end, P*$$Y Fairy is finally gonna be killed off, & High Fashion and Chasin' You might also be gone. This album bomb may also kill Party Girl's momentum so it'll be gone not long after this.

Some of these may survive given most of the Pop Smokes songs may just get replaced but these are the songs that are the most vulnerable at the moment.

[lazer]

Is the Covid-19 lockdown responsible for such slow turnover rates on pop radio? It just seems that when many people aren’t going to work or school, it gives an excuse for radio to keep on playing songs that peaked 4-6 months ago.

[shayonce]

Jul 14, 2020 7:53:24 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Jul 14, 2020 7:34:35 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

I agree streaming isn’t accurate but it still only captures a portion of the population. Even if youth are the most active music consumers, that isn’t reason enough to completely drop other demos who aren’t as active or who consume music through other means - actively or passively.

Not to mention that streaming alone would mean that there would be less room for diversity and gender equality as everything in it (playlisting, gender bias, listening habits and collaboration culture) favors male (solo) artists.

thebaffler.com/latest/discover-weakly-pelly

Radio and sales, just everything in general favor Male Artist too.

[chartfreak]

Kygo and Tina Turner coming Friday. Remix for What's Love Got To Do With It! Yes, one of my favorite Tina tracks.

[Enigma.]

Jul 14, 2020 9:18:44 GMT -5 shayonce said:

Jul 14, 2020 7:53:24 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Not to mention that streaming alone would mean that there would be less room for diversity and gender equality as everything in it (playlisting, gender bias, listening habits and collaboration culture) favors male (solo) artists.

thebaffler.com/latest/discover-weakly-pelly

Radio and sales, just everything in general favor Male Artist.

But if the chart was streaming only, based on HDD streaming chart top 50 would have 7 songs lead by a female artist (one of them is a co-lead, Heartless). That's 14 per cent!

Basically, there would be few rap hits and rap album tracks and nothing else most of the time.

Songs like Break My Heart, The Bones, I Hope would be nowhere near top 20 and Rain on Me would be a borderline case depending what albums are released on any given week.

[shayonce]

playlist is extremely overrated. do we have any data on playlist effect? because it seems really bad.
it probably only adds 30k~50k streams at best for first week and If the song is high on top playlists.

also I wouldn't be surprised If people are more into specific mood/feeling/vibe related playlist than TTH type popularity playlist.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 14, 2020 9:14:25 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Jul 14, 2020 7:40:05 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

You think that’s bad, when until you find out what classic rock stations have been playing for the last 30 years.

Well the format is “classic” so they have the rights to play the same 10 songs from years ago lol.

Top 40 is branded as “the current hits” but playing majority songs that consumers stopped personally consuming months ago. Urban radio atleast actually is still largely playing current / upcoming hits, any time I listen to radio now I’m playing that current format solely.

Toosie Slide, Savage, Life Is Good, and the likes already are far down the charts. Go Crazy is already #1 in its 9th week charting.

Clearly people are still enjoying them if radio keeps playing them. This whole idea that radio listeners = streaming listeners needs to stop being a thing.

[shayonce]

Jul 14, 2020 9:25:16 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Jul 14, 2020 9:18:44 GMT -5 shayonce said:

Radio and sales, just everything in general favor Male Artist.

But if the chart was streaming only, based on HDD streaming chart top 50 would have 7 songs lead by a female artist (one of them is a co-lead, Heartless). That's 14 per cent!

Basically, there would be few rap hits and rap album tracks and nothing else most of the time.

Songs like Break My Heart, The Bones, I Hope would be nowhere near top 20 and Rain on Me would be a borderline case depending what albums are released on any given week.

their music is less popular. that's all. even with airplay billboard still doesn't have much female artists too.
(including co-lead/feature)

Billboard hot100 Top50 - 11 female artists
RS single chart Top50 - 9 Female artists.

[strongerq]

Jul 14, 2020 9:47:15 GMT -5 shayonce said:

Jul 14, 2020 9:25:16 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

But if the chart was streaming only, based on HDD streaming chart top 50 would have 7 songs lead by a female artist (one of them is a co-lead, Heartless). That's 14 per cent!

Basically, there would be few rap hits and rap album tracks and nothing else most of the time.

Songs like Break My Heart, The Bones, I Hope would be nowhere near top 20 and Rain on Me would be a borderline case depending what albums are released on any given week.

their music is less popular. that's all. even with airplay billboard still doesn't have much female artists too.
(including co-lead/feature)

Billboard hot100 Top50 - 11 female artists
RS single chart Top50 - 9 Female artists.

Exactly i will quote this from a week ago. There are 4 years out of the last 10 when only 10% of top 10 best-selling albums are from females. So streaming isn't favouring anyone any more than sales were in the past.

Jul 7, 2020 10:10:48 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Something similar to this would be, how many of the biggest albums(commercially) each year are from females.
Here are the top 10 bestselling albums the past decade (with respective genres):

2020 - 1 female - MID YEAR - 6 Hip-Hop, 3 Pop & 1 R&B
2019 - 4 females - 5 Hip-Hop, 4 Pop & 1 R&B
2018 - 1 female - 8 Hip-Hop & 2 Pop
2017 - 1 female - 4 Hip-Hop, 4 Pop & 2 R&B
2016 - 4 females - 5 Pop, 1 Hip-Hop, 1 R&B, 1 Rock & 1 Country (Where does HAMILTON fit genre wise?)
2015 - 3 females - 6 Pop, 2 Hip-Hop, 1 R&B & 1 Country
2014 - 4 females - 7 Pop, 1R&B, 1 Rock & 1 Country
2013 - 1 female - 3 Hip-Hop, 3 Country, 2 R&B, 1 Pop & 1 Rock
2012 - 3 females - 5 Country, 4 Pop & 1 Rock
2011 - 3 females - 4 Pop, 3 Hip-Hop, 2 Country & 1 Rock

Total: 40 Pop, 32 Hip-Hop, 13 Country, 9 R&B & 5 Rock. + HAMILTON

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Maybe I’m missing context or sarcasm but it looks like streaming does favour male artists.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 14, 2020 9:56:25 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Maybe I’m missing context or sarcasm but it looks like streaming does favour male artists.

I’ll quote my own post to add that I don’t think it’s up to Billboard or any sort of measurement such as Billboard to change the data so that genders are reflected equally. The “fault” isn’t with Billboard so including that as part of the streaming vs sales vs radio (the makeup of the Hot 100) discussion doesn’t make sense. If the Hot 100 top 10 is all men all the time, that isn’t Billboard’s fault and whether they were to include or not include a medium like radio or sales shouldn’t be to make the chart gender equal.

[Enigma.]

The article I shared above also stated that if Spotify keeps "overplaylisting" male artists, the algorithms will follow as they learn what people are listening. It's like a circle. If Rap Caviar has 95% male artists on their playlist, it's not a good starting point for female rappers out there let alone promote gender equality.

[strongerq]

Jul 14, 2020 9:56:25 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Maybe I’m missing context or sarcasm but it looks like streaming does favour male artists.

It was not sarcasm. The point made was Streaming does favour male artist, So did sales go and look at the bestselling albums each year (only 2-3-4 (rerely) are from females).

The table was because before 2015 streaming wasn't counted, and still the most females in top 10 was 4, 2013 had only 1. Yes in recent years (2017-now) there are more males (because the biggest genre called Hip-Hop is 90% males).

Point made was streaming favours male artists , so did sales and everything else, so it is nothing new it is nothing related to streams.

Edit: MOST IMPORTANT LINE from my previous comment: streaming isn't favouring anyone any more than sales were in the past.

Edit2: 1993 - 3 females

1994 - 1  and 1/2 female

I am not doing every year. Just to prove a point

[strongerq]

Jul 14, 2020 9:59:17 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jul 14, 2020 9:56:25 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Maybe I’m missing context or sarcasm but it looks like streaming does favour male artists.

I’ll quote my own post to add that I don’t think it’s up to Billboard or any sort of measurement such as Billboard to change the data so that genders are reflected equally. The “fault” isn’t with Billboard so including that as part of the streaming vs sales vs radio (the makeup of the Hot 100) discussion doesn’t make sense. If the Hot 100 top 10 is all men all the time, that isn’t Billboard’s fault and whether they were to include or not include a medium like radio or sales shouldn’t be to make the chart gender equal.

This is what i said in the post, men were selling better in the past, men are geting streamed more, and recieve higher airplay (probably-i am not much into radio). It is nothing new, it is just the way things have been in the industry forever.

And yes the charts should't be tweaked to have even gender representating (if the real picture isn;t like that). The think i dislike the most are Best Male Artist and Best Female Artist. Just say who the best artist was and be done with it. Same with Oscars ...