Billboard Hot 100: 07/25/2020

[Gary]

Jul 18, 2020 13:40:29 GMT -5 85la said:

Jul 18, 2020 10:50:24 GMT -5 Gary said:

Thriller had 37 weeks at #1 as it was in multiple stints.

The last 17 was solely due to the release of the Thriller video in late 1983

They were referring to the Thriller single, not the album.

I see.

A 7th single released in this market a year plus into being able to stream everything may not have even charted much less spend a year at number one

[imbondz]

Jul 18, 2020 10:50:24 GMT -5 Gary said:

Jul 18, 2020 8:23:26 GMT -5 imbondz said:

Thriller would have been #1 for 52 weeks possibly back then. If people had the ability to watch that video on demand back then it would have been #1 for a long long time. 16-19 weeks would pail in comparison to that song and video from a cultural stand point.

Thriller had 37 weeks at #1 as it was in multiple stints.

The last 17 was solely due to the release of the Thriller video in late 1983

I meant just the song not the album. Thriller only went to #4 which never made sense to me.

[Gary]

Simply put - the 7th single, much like now when an album lasts long enough for 7 singles, people have already heard the song. The radio - 45 version was edited (3:56 v nearly 6 minutes - for one no Vincent Price on the single)

However the video put the album at #1 for 17 more weeks

[strongerq]

Jul 18, 2020 15:51:56 GMT -5 Gary said:

Simply put - the 7th single, much like now when an album lasts long enough for 7 singles, people have already heard the song. The radio - 45 version was edited (3:56 v nearly 6 minutes - for one no Vincent Price on the single)

However the video put the album at #1 for 17 more weeks

Yup it is uncaracteristic to have that many post album singles today. Since this is an what-if, i will add another if. If the song was the first released single in today's climate it would spend a long time at the top.

The user was saying if we have that popular of a video today it would spend half a year at #1. (or if streaming was available back then, whatever).

[Gary]

Yes that is what makes comparing dramatically different eras so difficult.

That level of popularity for a video will never happen again. The infancy of videos in general, the uniqueness of the first of its kind 13 minute video, (more of a short movie rather than a music video) and the near God-like status of Michael Jackson at that time.

You can't recreate that today.

And with streaming, everything is available the day it comes out.

The Thriller single, in addition to being the 7th single of the biggest album ever, it was also a very shortened radio version (shortened by 2 minutes) - take Vincent Price out you don't have the same song in my opinion.

[rosalina4812]

We are talking about Thriller, a Halloween song, in July? Never change, Pulse...

[kcdawg13]

Jul 18, 2020 17:29:26 GMT -5 rosalina4812 said:

We are talking about Thriller, a Halloween song, in July? Never change, Pulse...

Because it has significance to the current conversation

[GP]

Jul 18, 2020 17:34:50 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Jul 18, 2020 17:29:26 GMT -5 rosalina4812 said:

We are talking about Thriller, a Halloween song, in July? Never change, Pulse...

Because it has significance to the current conversation

And also quite a timeless song, no need to only mention it in Halloween alone.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Rockstar remained at #1 in the weekly US YouTube chart, Come & Go rocketed 81-4, Wishing Well debuted at #5, Said Sum rose 15-8, Hate the Other Side debuted at #10, The Adventures of Moon Man & Slim Shady debuted at #12 and Conversation debuted at #18. In the Global YouTube chart, How You Like That remained at #1 for a third week with more than triple the #2's weekly views.

[kcdawg13]

Jul 18, 2020 19:03:26 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

Rockstar remained at #1 in the weekly US YouTube chart, Come & Go rocketed 81-4, Wishing Well debuted at #4, Said Sum rose 15-8, Hate the Other Side debuted at #10, The Adventures of Moon Man & Slim Shady debuted at #12 and Conversation debuted at #18. In the Global YouTube chart, How You Like That remained at #1 for a third week with more than triple the #2's weekly views.

Hol up, Come & Go and Wishing Well are both #4?

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^Oops, typo! It's been corrected.

[spicymapping]

preds woo

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^Gooba may survive, but Trollz should be gone.

[kcdawg13]

Juice almost pushing Circles out the Top 20, it'll be back up next week lol

[Choco]

Jul 18, 2020 21:29:44 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

^Gooba may survive, but Trollz should be gone.

Historic.

[garrettlen]

Jul 16, 2020 22:21:35 GMT -5 degen said:

Jul 16, 2020 21:44:40 GMT -5 garrettlen said:

Wow.  HDD REALLY hates Billboard.

Well do you blame them? Billboard has had several eras of inaccurate metrics, with the late 90s being one of them when they had that ridiculous rule in place that made songs like “Don’t Speak” unable to chart on the Hot 100.

As I've explained previously that "ridiculous rule" had been in place since the inception of the Hot 100 in August 1958.   In order to chart on the Hot 100 a song HAD TO HAVE a commercial single available for purchase.  It was the RECORD LABELS that changed things in the 1990's and started releasing songs to radio stations without releasing a commercially available single as well; in order to bulk up album sales by making the consumer buy the album in order to get the radio song.   What was Billboard supposed to do, just change their nearly 40 year old (at the time) rule overnight?  They did finally change their rules in December 1998 when they changed the Hot 100 from being a SINGLES chart and made it a SONGS chart thereafter.

[garrettlen]

Jul 18, 2020 10:37:13 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Music Videos were not included because MTV was not available in most US homes until the early 90s. Cable penetration was a niche market.

It was also considered just one "radio station" or programming voice as opposed to what the Hot 100 tried to measure, which was hundreds of decision makers (retail / radio stations)

MTV debuted in (I believe) August 1981.   We didn't get it in our area until about September 1982 If I remember correctly.

So yeah, it did take time for it to reach a lot of cable providers across the nation.

[garrettlen]

Jul 18, 2020 17:29:26 GMT -5 rosalina4812 said:

We are talking about Thriller, a Halloween song, in July? Never change, Pulse...

Thriller didn't start off as a Halloween song.   It's "evolved" into one over the years.

[cedric]

07/25 preds

1. Rockstar (-) (37400)
2. Come & Go (NR) (30100)
3. Blinding Lights (-1) (26000)
4. WHATS POPPIN (-1) (25700)
5. Wishing Well (NR) (25000)
6. Conversations (NR) (24700)
7. Savage (-3) (23600)
8. Life's A Mess (+66) (22500)
9. Roses (Imanbek Remix) (-4) (22300)
10. Hate The Other Side (NR) (21700)

11. Watermelon Sugar (-4) (21600)
12. Blood On My Jeans (NR) (19800)
13. Blueberry Faygo (-5) (19100)
14. Titanic (NR) (18800)
15. Bad Energy (NR) (17900)
16. Righteous (RE) (17900)
17. Adore You (-5) (17400)
18. Intentions (-8) (16900)
19. Circles (-6) (16700)
20. I Hope (+3) (16600)

SPOILER: Click to show

{#21-#100}21. Say So (-12) (16500)
22. The Adventures of Moon Man & Slim Shady (NR) (16500)
23. Break My Heart (-6) (16200)
24. Party Girl (+12) (15700)
25. We Paid (-11) (15500)
26. Savage Love (Laxed - Siren Beat) (+3) (15400)
27. Fighting Demons (NR) (15400)
28. Stay High (NR) (15300)
29. Rain On Me (-13) (15200)
30. Don't Start Now (-15) (15200)

31. One Margarita (-12) (15200)
32. Before You Go (-6) (15200)
33. Go Crazy (-5) (15100)
34. The Bones (-16) (14900)
35. For The Night (-29) (14700)
36. Falling (-11) (14700)
37. Hard To Forget (-10) (14700)
38. Tell Me U Luv Me (RE) (14600)
39. Bluebird (-6) (14100)
40. Up Up And Away (NR) (14100)

41. death bed (-9) (14000)
42. Life Is Good (-18) (13600)
43. The Bigger Picture (-23) (13400)
44. The Box (-23) (13300)
45. Screw Juice (NR) (13200)
46. Sunday Best (-16) (13100)
47. I Want It (NR) (12900)
48. Man of the Year (NR) (12700)
49. Chasin You (-14) (12200)
50. Can't Die (NR) (12200)

51. Die From A Broken Heart (-9) (12200)
52. The Woo (-41) (12100)
53. Rags2Riches (+11) (11400)
RC. Dior (10700)
54. Toosie Slide (-16) (10600)
RC. High Fashion (10600)
55. Anxiety (Intro) (NR) (10200)
56. Girls In The Hood (-5) (9800)
57. Emotionally Scarred (-11) (9700)
58. Walk Em Down (-10) (9500)
59. Supalonely (-12) (9300)
60. Got It On Me (-29) (9200)

61. If The World Was Ending (-2) (8700)
62. Be Kind (-12) (8500)
63. Stuck With U (-18) (8300)
64. I Love My Country (-6) (8100)
65. Got What I Got (-5) (8100)
66. Said Sum (-3) (8100)
67. Like That (-6) (8000)
68. Juice WRLD Speaks from Heaven (Outro) (NR) (7900)
69. One Big Country Song (+4) (7700)
70. The Man, The Myth, The Legend (Interlude) (NR) (7700)

71. Done (-2) (7500)
72. Mamacita (-5) (7400)
73. THE SCOTTS (-20) (7300)
74. Don't Rush (-6) (7300)
75. Be A Light (-9) (7300)
76. God Whispered Your Name (-4) (7000)
77. Be Like That (NR) (6800)
78. Something Special (-37) (6800)
79. Here And Now (-17) (6800)
RC. P*$$Y Fairy (OTW) (6700)
80. Cool Again (-3) (6600)

81. Why We Drink (-3) (6500)
82. Does To Me (-11) (6500)
83. My Affection (NR) (6400)
84. Need It (-2) (6400)
85. Mood Swings (-41) (6400)
86. Gangstas (-49) (6400)
87. After Party (-7) (6400)
88. Let It Go (NR) (6400)
89. One Of Them Girls (-2) (6300)
90. Past Life (RE) (6300)

91. Lovin' On You (+6) (6200)
92. ily (-6) (6100)
93. Aim For The Moon (-59) (5900)
94. More Than My Hometown (-1) (5900)
95. Chicago Freestyle (-11) (5900)
96. GO (-2) (5900)
97. Girl Of My Dreams (+1) (5800)
98. Bang! (RE) (5800)
99. One Night Standards (-4) (5800)
100. One Beer (-) (5700)

101. Flex (5700)
102. 3 Headed Goat (5600)
103. 44 BullDog (5600)
104. GOOBA (5600)
105. Daisies (5500)
106. Grace (5400)
107. DOLLAZ ON MY HEAD (5400)
108. After A Few (5400)
109. Beer Can't Fix (5400)
110. Pretty Heart (5400)

111. Tap In (5400)
112. 21 (5400)
113. TROLLZ (5200)
114. I Called Mama (5100)
115. Yo Perreo Sola (5100)
116. What You Know Bout Love (5100)
117. In Between (4900)
118. Do It (4900)
119. Make It Rain (4800)
120. How You Like That (4800)

Black Parade (4700)
In Your Eyes (4500)
Lose Somebody (4400)
TKN (4200)
Are You Bored Yet? (4100)
Kings & Queens (3800)
Wash Us In The Blood (3500)
Smile (2900)
YAYA (2300)

Recurrents: High Fashion, Dior, P*$$y Fairy. I actually have Chasin' You staying by my numbers, but my gut tells me it will leave as well. 6ix9ine (all of him), After A Few, Beer Can't Fix, and In Between are all out as well and will probably miss the yearend.

Also, Smile might not even debut in the Bubbling Under.

[degen]

Jul 18, 2020 22:35:03 GMT -5 garrettlen said:

Jul 16, 2020 22:21:35 GMT -5 degen said:

Well do you blame them? Billboard has had several eras of inaccurate metrics, with the late 90s being one of them when they had that ridiculous rule in place that made songs like “Don’t Speak” unable to chart on the Hot 100.

As I've explained previously that "ridiculous rule" had been in place since the inception of the Hot 100 in August 1958.   In order to chart on the Hot 100 a song HAD TO HAVE a commercial single available for purchase.  It was the RECORD LABELS that changed things in the 1990's and started releasing songs to radio stations without releasing a commercially available single as well; in order to bulk up album sales by making the consumer buy the album in order to get the radio song.   What was Billboard supposed to do, just change their nearly 40 year old (at the time) rule overnight?  They did finally change their rules in December 1998 when they changed the Hot 100 from being a SINGLES chart and made it a SONGS chart thereafter.

Lol they have no problem changing the rules overnight now, ur telling me they had a hard time changing a rule after 50 years?!.

[Gary]

Yes - this is a magazine that has had many changes over the years but at its core has been a sales and/or airplay chart (some combination of one or both - at one point the top 50 was a pure sales chart) plus recently streaming.

They have made several adaptations to the changing market but it is rarely "overnight" - the current bundles wasn't an "overnight" decision either.

They serve the industry - not the fans - some rule changes need industry approval. The 90s was a push to drive CD sales, not singles as that was what the industry wanted.

[sirskimask]

Jul 18, 2020 21:49:34 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Juice almost pushing Circles out the Top 20, it'll be back up next week lol

Hasn't left the top 20 since its debut in September. How insane is that 

[jebsib]

BB tried to change the Hot 100 formula to accommodate non singles as early as 1995 but the record labels resisted and couldn’t reach a consensus. Please do some research before you speak with such negative authority.

[kcdawg13]

Jul 19, 2020 0:25:17 GMT -5 sirskimask said:

Jul 18, 2020 21:49:34 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Juice almost pushing Circles out the Top 20, it'll be back up next week lol

Hasn't left the top 20 since its debut in September. How insane is that 

Hasn't gone any lower than #13 since it's debut so far, which is incredible

[degen]

Jul 18, 2020 12:03:48 GMT -5 Push The Button said:

Jul 17, 2020 15:52:04 GMT -5 degen said:

Sure there were rare cases like “Beautiful” peaking at #2 or “Toxic” peaking at #9, but some would argue those peaks were low for how big of hits those songs were (“Bump Bump Bump” at #1?). Other metrics should’ve been added on the Hot 100 back then. Why did Billboard completely ignore counting music videos back then? They were so adamant about adding YouTube views in 2013 onward, but why did that only start just then. Music video airing on MTV/Vh1/BET were very relevant back then, yet they were not being counted on Billboard. But now Billboard wants to add tik tok views. Okay, well, why weren’t they counting TRL votes in 2001 then? It just seems they ignored a whole chunk of the pie for so long but then suddenly in the early 2010s they woke up and said we are not only counting the entire pie, but we will count the cake too. They literally went from undercounting to overreaching at the turn of the 2010s. All we are looking for is some consistency.

“Beautiful” needed only 8,000 copies sold of a physical single for it to have hit #1 the week it was #2. Shame they didn’t release one in the U.S.

Since the Britney fans are in here are claiming “I’m a Slave 4 U” would’ve hit #1 if YouTube existed, you know damn well “Dirrty” would’ve hit #1 for several weeks, since it had more airplay and the video was more controversial.

[degen]

Jul 18, 2020 17:29:26 GMT -5 rosalina4812 said:

We are talking about Thriller, a Halloween song, in July? Never change, Pulse...

“Thriller” the song was actually released as a single in December 1983. And it peaked on radio in the first quarter of 1984. But never change Pulse...unless you get schooled.

[kingvavis]

According to spicy's and cedric's predictions it looks like Circles may have entered the top 10 for a 40th week if it wasn't for the Juice album bomb.

[Enigma.]

And Harry Styles would have two songs there.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2020/07/19

1(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 143.07(-0.52)
2(=) Harry Styles - Adore You 125.26(-0.04)
3(=) DaBaby - ROCKSTAR (feat. Roddy Ricch) 107.77(+1.46)
4(+1) Dua Lipa - Break My Heart 101.17(+1.03)
5(-1) Megan Thee Stallion - Savage Remix (feat. Beyoncé) 99.83(-1.22)
6(=) SAINt JHN - Roses (Imanbek Remix) 97.20(+0.30)

7(=) Post Malone - Circles 95.10(-0.43)
8(+1) Harry Styles - Watermelon Sugar 94.93(+1.57)
9(-1) Dua Lipa - Don't Start Now 94.16(-0.40)
10(=) Justin Bieber - Intentions (feat. Quavo) 87.31(-1.21)

17(=) Gabby Barrett - I Hope (feat. Charlie Puth) 66.03(+0.83)

24(=) Miranda Lambert - Bluebird 54.46(+0.63)

27(+1) Chris Janson - Done 48.55(+0.61)

31(=) BENEE - Supalonely (feat. Gus Dapperton) 45.94(+0.68)

32(+2) Maddie & Tae - Die From A Broken Heart 45.90(+1.06)

33(-1) LOCASH - One Big Country Song 45.72(+0.80)

45(+2) Black Eyed Peas, Ozuna & J. Rey Soul - MAMACITA 35.39(+0.60)

77(+5) Jawsh 685 X Jason Derulo - Savage Love (Laxed-Siren Beat) 22.28(+1.59)

95(+4) Prince Royce - Carita De Inocente 18.08(+0.87)

-(-) Bad Bunny - La Dificil 12.40(+0.64)

-(-) DJ Khaled - POPSTAR (feat. Drake) 12.17(+5.87) +

-(-) DJ Khaled - GREECE (feat. Drake) 10.75(+4.80) +

-(-) Kane Brown, Swae Lee, Khalid - Be Like That 7.32(+1.00)

-(-) Tainy & J Balvin - Aqua 4.90(+0.82)

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 60, 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:

July 18, 1960 (For the week ending July 23)

01 02 I'm Sorry - Brenda Lee (1st of 3 weeks at #1)
02 01 Alley-Oop - The Hollywood Argyles
03 03 Everybody's Somebody's Fool - Connie Francis
04 06 Only The Lonely - Roy Orbison
05 04 Because They're Young - Duane Eddy
06 07 That's All You Gotta Do - Brenda Lee
07 05 Mule Skinner Blues - The Fendermen
08 10 When Will I Be Loved - The Everly Brothers
09 12 Tell Laura I Love Her - Ray Peterson
10 20 Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Yellow Polka Dot Bikini - Brian Hyland


July 24, 1965

01 01 (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones (3rd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 03 I'm Henry VIII, I Am - Herman's Hermits
03 02 I Can't Help Myself (Sugar Pie Honey Bunch) - The Four Tops
04 10 What's New, Pussycat? - Tom Jones
05 05 Cara Mia - Jay & The Americans
06 06 Yes I'm Ready - Barbara Mason
07 09 What The World Needs Now Is Love - Jackie DeShannon
08 07 Seventh Son - Johnny Rivers
09 04 Mr. Tambourine Man - The Byrds
10 08 You Turn Me On - Ian Whitcomb

13 40 Save Your Heart For Me - Gary Lewis & The Playboys


July 25, 1970

01 03 (They Long To Be) Close To You - The Carpenters (1st of 4 weeks at #1)
02 01 Mama Told Me Not To Come - Three Dog Night
03 04 Band Of Gold - Freda Payne
04 02 The Love You Save - The Jackson 5
05 10 Make It With You - Bread
06 05 Ball Of Confusion (That's What The World Is Today) - The Temptations
07 06 Ride Captain Ride - Blues Image
08 08 O-o-h Child - The Five Stairsteps
09 18 Signed, Sealed, Delivered (I'm Yours) - Stevie Wonder
10 07 Lay Down (Candles In The Rain) - Melanie w/The Edwin Hawkins Singers

25 44 War - Edwin Starr


July 26, 1975

01 02 The Hustle - Van McCoy & The Soul City Symphony (1st and only week at #1)
02 03 I'm Not In Love - 10cc
03 04 One Of These Nights - The Eagles
04 05 Please Mr. Please - Olivia Newton-John
05 01 Listen To What The Man Said - Paul McCartney & Wings
06 07 Swearin' To God - Frankie Valli
07 09 Jive Talkin' - The Bee Gees
08 15 Someone Saved My Life Tonight - Elton John
09 11 Midnight Blue - Melissa Manchester
10 10 Rockin' Chair - Gwen McCrae


July 26, 1980

01 01 It's Still Rock & Roll To Me - Billy Joel (2nd and final week at #1)
02 07 Magic - Olivia Newton-John
03 03 Little Jeannie - Elton John
04 04 Cupid - The Spinners
05 05 Shining Star - The Manhattans
06 02 Coming Up - Paul McCartney
07 06 Steal Away - Robbie Dupree
08 12 Tired Of Toein' The Line - Rocky Burnette
09 11 Take Your Time (Do It Right) - The S.O.S. Band
10 08 The Rose - Bette Midler