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Post by davidcountry on Nov 14, 2020 17:46:13 GMT -5
Because most of the songs are connected to pop success and not by country audience. Kane Brown Dan + Shay Maren Morris Gabby Barrett Thomas Rhett Some others are inflated because they had songs that spent time on the pop and on the AC charts. Their numbers are inflated. If you subtract those artists? You have basically Luke Combs who attrcts artists of all ages. Really because the only songs that received substantial crossover airplay are "10,000 Hours", "The Bones" and "I Hope" which all 3 probably would have made the year end Hot 100 regardless anyway. Also you mean to tell me songs like "Die From A Broken Heart", "Bluebird", "Hard To Forget", "Homesick", "I Hope You're Happy Now", and "One Margarita" are only big because of pop success when someone correct me if I'm wrong but I am pretty sure none of those songs went for any type of crossover airplay and were successful based on how well they sold, streamed and connected at country radio. That's not just matter of opinion that is just straight up facts. Also you can't subtract those artists because those artists are big and are still within the country genre. That is not how any of that works. "Die From A Broken Heart" did made an appearence a month ago. "Bluebird" could be a cross over hit. "Hard To Forget" and Sam Hunt is already a pop favorite no matter what he releases. "Homesick" was mostly last years news. "I Hope You're Happy Now" is mostly traditional sound which the older audience would buy just like Bluebird. Luke Bryan have pop appeal because of him being the judge on American Idol. Luke gave one Make-A-Wish kid his guitar and had him sing with him on stage at a concert and 2 years later, that same kid performed on American Idol. Another kid, Luke gave that kid his boots as that kid's boots were worn out and can't afford to buy another pair.
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Post by davidcountry on Nov 14, 2020 17:51:10 GMT -5
I am not agreeing with what davidcountry said, but I will also say 1 person being an exception doesn't inherently disprove a general statement. But the amount of success country music has had in 2020 and the fact that more than likely the 18-24 crowd tends to be the biggest buyers/streamers of music does make taylor statement hold much more water Are you saying us older crowd don't stream and buy music online? It is how artists like Koe Wetzel, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Tyler Childers, Cody Jinks, Cody Johnson, Reba, Tanya Tucker, Jason Isbell and others who are not on being pushed by Nashville labels have better selling albums and singles than most of the current labels lineup. Mostly a lot of Independent artists are selling online than major label artists.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2020 17:53:30 GMT -5
I am not agreeing with what davidcountry said, but I will also say 1 person being an exception doesn't inherently disprove a general statement. But the amount of success country music has had in 2020 and the fact that more than likely the 18-24 crowd tends to be the biggest buyers/streamers of music does make taylor statement hold much more water That may be, but that isn't what the post I responded to mentioned.
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Post by raylatch98 on Nov 14, 2020 18:02:00 GMT -5
Really because the only songs that received substantial crossover airplay are "10,000 Hours", "The Bones" and "I Hope" which all 3 probably would have made the year end Hot 100 regardless anyway. Also you mean to tell me songs like "Die From A Broken Heart", "Bluebird", "Hard To Forget", "Homesick", "I Hope You're Happy Now", and "One Margarita" are only big because of pop success when someone correct me if I'm wrong but I am pretty sure none of those songs went for any type of crossover airplay and were successful based on how well they sold, streamed and connected at country radio. That's not just matter of opinion that is just straight up facts. Also you can't subtract those artists because those artists are big and are still within the country genre. That is not how any of that works. "Die From A Broken Heart" did made an appearence a month ago. "Bluebird" could be a cross over hit. "Hard To Forget" and Sam Hunt is already a pop favorite no matter what he releases. "Homesick" was mostly last years news. "I Hope You're Happy Now" is mostly traditional sound which the older audience would buy just like Bluebird. Luke Bryan have pop appeal because of him being the judge on American Idol. Luke gave one Make-A-Wish kid his guitar and had him sing with him on stage at a concert and 2 years later, that same kid performed on American Idol. Another kid, Luke gave that kid his boots as that kid's boots were worn out and can't afford to buy another pair. "Die From A Broken Heart" didn't receive any crossover airplay, just because "Bluebird" could be a crossover hit does not mean it was. Same thing with "Hard To Forget", "Homesick" peaked this year, "I Hope You're Happy Now" probably resonated with younger listeners as well. Finally just because Luke Bryan has pop appeal doesn't mean "One Margarita" got pop airplay. But the amount of success country music has had in 2020 and the fact that more than likely the 18-24 crowd tends to be the biggest buyers/streamers of music does make taylor statement hold much more water Are you saying us older crowd don't stream and buy music online? It is how artists like Koe Wetzel, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Tyler Childers, Cody Jinks, Cody Johnson, Reba, Tanya Tucker, Jason Isbell and others who are not on being pushed by Nashville labels have better selling albums and singles than most of the current labels lineup. Mostly a lot of Independent artists are selling online than major label artists. No. What I am saying is that the majority, not all but the majority of people buying/streaming music are people in the 18-24 crowd. I'm done with this conversation because it's clear this is going in circles at this point.
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Post by taylor on Nov 14, 2020 18:05:19 GMT -5
1) I am 20 (and therefore a member of the 18-24 crowd) and I love country music, so you can throw this statement right out the window because it's wholly and entirely false. I am not agreeing with what davidcountry said, but I will also say 1 person being an exception doesn't inherently disprove a general statement. Morgan Wallen debuted at #6 and Luke Combs at #2 on the Hot 100 in the past few months with their latest releases due to a massive wave of streaming. These artists have a huge 18-24 base of fans, and those are numbers that are comparable to major pop artists. There are plenty more examples of 18-24 year olds who are interested in/love country music, too. I am not an exception. 1) Yes our time periods are different. It's not the 1980s. It's 2020. Like you just said, the times have changed. And being 32 years younger than you, I'm telling you that I know what I'm talking about when I tell you what we 18-24 year olds wanna hear. I literally come from the streaming generation. 2) That is a non-issue. With every ounce of respect to these older artists...they were just as young when they were at their commercial peak as the artists from my generation of country music are now. They had their time in the sun; it was inevitable that the Lorettas and Georges of country music were gonna stop seeing nominations and wins, just as it is inevitable that the Carries and Mirandas, the Lukes and Morgans, the Gabbys and Carlys are going to eventually stop seeing nominations and wins...because their commercial peaks will have passed. 3) Yes. Yes, it does. Literally just about everything does. That's how they sell what they have to offer, because we 18-24 year olds are the key demographic. Meaning we're the major force. The deciding factor. 4) No, it doesn't often help ratings. But it would if streaming were able to happen live at the same time as it is aired on TV. Because, again, we 18-24 year olds almost exclusively stream things. For nearly all of us, our TV is our phone. The CMAs not being able to stream on our phones kills the ratings. This goes for every single awards show ever. And PS. Yes it does help sell albums and singles. Trust me. 5) Once again, with every ounce of respect to these artists, they had their time in the nomination sun. 6) How did we go from whether or not storytelling is dead (which it isn't) to a discussion on songs and artists in Nashville? I'm perplexed. Because of the traditions that we have with country artists with the songs, the story telling, the artists and Nashville. Jason Isbell pointed out the disrespect of the three legends that were never given tribute. I can point out other disrespect like Chris Darrow of Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, Bob Shane the last member of The Kingston Trio, Willie Nelson's drummer, Bonnie Pointer (her and her sisters were the only black female artists who won a major country music award), Jan Howard, Bonnie Lou, Justin Toenrs Earle and others. Jan Howard welcomed new country artists to the Grand Ole Opry. Dierks Bentley this year respected the Legend Travis Tritt giving Travis another hit. Thomas Rhett and Caylee Hammack got Reba. Jackson Michelson got Collin Raye. Lauren Aliana got Trisha Yearwood. Jody Booth got Tracy Byrd out of retirement. Danny Griego just released his duet with Waylon Jennings that they recorded before Waylon died. Stoney LaRue got Tanya Tucker David Joel got Mickey Gilley. Jimmie Allen got Charley Pride. Joe and Martina got Jon Berry. These artist do respect their peers. Could any of these legends get a hit on the country charts alone? No. Nashville will not push them. I tend to like songs no matter how young or old the singers are. The songs have to be great. If Mary Chapin Carpenter sings "More Hearts Than Mine" on country radio today? Nope. There is an issue in this industry that needs to be fixed, but the over all problem is the agism, lack of females on country radio, the hate of gay artists and the lack of minorities in country music, plus the lack of disabled singers in the business. There is a country singer who is in a wheelchair who have MS. I think he should have his dreams come true and get 1 #1 before he leaves us. Country music industry really needs to fixed their image. As for the lack of artists being honored during the In Memoriam, I agree that they dropped the ball on a lot of major artists. What should've happened was something like in 2017, where a song was performed for all of them in one fell swoop, with the names of these artists all on the screen. I agree on the ageism too, as well as the lack of women (which has gotten better in 2020 but still needs work), and especially the completely barren amount of gay artists and minority artists (Chely Wright is openly gay but wasn't at the time of her success in the industry, and no openly gay artist has been as successful as her since; Mickey Guyton is the only Black woman signed to a major country music label and she is one of four Black country artists I can recall ever being in the industry, let alone successful). That has to change and we have to work very, very hard to force the change upon the industry. It needs to get into the 21st century. But I'm confused by this respecting older artists argument. To respect their elder artists, a new artist has to land a collaboration with them? That's...I don't even know what to make of that. You can respect your elders without bringing them along on a collab with you. And this is likely the last I'm gonna say to you on this entire conversation, because it's starting to go in circles.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 14, 2020 18:05:56 GMT -5
But the amount of success country music has had in 2020 and the fact that more than likely the 18-24 crowd tends to be the biggest buyers/streamers of music does make taylor statement hold much more water That may be, but that isn't what the post I responded to mentioned. And his statement that young people don't care about country music continues to be wrong, with or without the point you made. Like, he's literally an old man yelling on a forum comprised of mostly teens and 20-somethings that they don't care about country music and the posters actually in that age group are telling him otherwise.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 14, 2020 18:08:47 GMT -5
This thread:
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Post by carriekins on Nov 14, 2020 18:22:56 GMT -5
I'm 41 and just want to chime in and say that the 18-24 demographic is definitely alive and well in country music. Had you BEEN to a country concert in the Before Times? Like it's preposterous that it's even a question.
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Post by stanches2318 on Nov 14, 2020 19:19:19 GMT -5
This has always been the case in country music. Even in the older days. The songs that were huge crossover success were the songs that the fans liked the best no matter if they sounded actually country or not. What I think is is whatever they think the fans wanna hear or see on these award shows is what’s gonna be. I’m 33 been paying attention to Country Music since I was about 5. I’ve noticed how the award shows have worked over the years especially the CMAs. I say it’s all good. The music sounds good to me. Obviously the fans like it cause they are charting good on singles and albums.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2020 20:56:23 GMT -5
Btw the Masters is down 21% in viewers. I think that's a general trend.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2020 22:04:37 GMT -5
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 15, 2020 13:24:40 GMT -5
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Post by davidcountry on Nov 16, 2020 17:58:08 GMT -5
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 15, 2020 15:03:01 GMT -5
Not that Shaun King is a fave, but I've seen this from others as well.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Dec 15, 2020 17:50:36 GMT -5
An incredibly ironic situation... the country music community’s negligence leads to the death of its biggest and only icon of color... In a pandemic which has disproportionately impacted communities of color.
Well done, CMA. What a shitty organization. To hell with them.
Pride’s Facebook post said he exhibited symptoms towards the end of November and ended up in the hospital shortly thereafter. Given the incubation period can be anywhere from 5-14 days, it’s pretty likely that he contracted the virus at the CMAs.
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Post by bigd79 on Dec 15, 2020 18:07:10 GMT -5
Considering all the testing beforehand that went into even getting in the building for the CMA awards i would say its more likely he got it either at whatever airport or airline he he flew on from texas to nashville or the way back. Does anyone know if he flew commercial or a charter or private type flight? I have no idea. Everything is pure speculation and we’ll probably never really know for sure. I personally don’t think the CMA should be blamed for it. Has anyone else that the attended the awards been confirmed to be positive in recent weeks also? I have not heard anything in regards to that.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Dec 15, 2020 18:30:24 GMT -5
Considering all the testing beforehand that went into even getting in the building for the CMA awards i would say its more likely he got it either at whatever airport or airline he he flew on from texas to nashville or the way back. Does anyone know if he flew commercial or a charter or private type flight? I have no idea. Everything is pure speculation and we’ll probably never really know for sure. I personally don’t think the CMA should be blamed for it. Has anyone else that the attended the awards been confirmed to be positive in recent weeks also? I have not heard anything in regards to that. It’s very possible, but testing even in real time doesn’t guarantee anything. It’s helpful, but not foolproof and the larger the number of attendees, the less effective testing is. You can carry enough of the virus to spread it but not test positive, and conversely you can full-on have it and still test negative. None of the attendees quarantined before the show and many participated in “small” events the entire week before. The CMA’s should never have hosted an in-person event, it was too far into the fall spike; even doing a show like the ACMs did would have been extra risky. It should’ve been virtual or nothing at all. Even if Charley didn’t get it from the CMA’s or traveling, it still puts the CMAs in a spot they should’ve entirely avoided, not only for the organization itself but for the health and wellbeing of the artists and all the crew involved, too.
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Post by davidcountry on Dec 15, 2020 19:19:30 GMT -5
Considering all the testing beforehand that went into even getting in the building for the CMA awards i would say its more likely he got it either at whatever airport or airline he he flew on from texas to nashville or the way back. Does anyone know if he flew commercial or a charter or private type flight? I have no idea. Everything is pure speculation and we’ll probably never really know for sure. I personally don’t think the CMA should be blamed for it. Has anyone else that the attended the awards been confirmed to be positive in recent weeks also? I have not heard anything in regards to that. It’s very possible, but testing even in real time doesn’t guarantee anything. It’s helpful, but not foolproof and the larger the number of attendees, the less effective testing is. You can carry enough of the virus to spread it but not test positive, and conversely you can full-on have it and still test negative. None of the attendees quarantined before the show and many participated in “small” events the entire week before. The CMA’s should never have hosted an in-person event, it was too far into the fall spike; even doing a show like the ACMs did would have been extra risky. It should’ve been virtual or nothing at all. Even if Charley didn’t get it from the CMA’s or traveling, it still puts the CMAs in a spot they should’ve entirely avoided, not only for the organization itself but for the health and wellbeing of the artists and all the crew involved, too. Another legend we need to worry about who was there. Mickey Gilley was in the audiance because he was on the soundtrack of Urban Cowboy with Charlie Daniels.
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 15, 2020 19:36:23 GMT -5
It’s very possible, but testing even in real time doesn’t guarantee anything. It’s helpful, but not foolproof and the larger the number of attendees, the less effective testing is. You can carry enough of the virus to spread it but not test positive, and conversely you can full-on have it and still test negative. None of the attendees quarantined before the show and many participated in “small” events the entire week before. The CMA’s should never have hosted an in-person event, it was too far into the fall spike; even doing a show like the ACMs did would have been extra risky. It should’ve been virtual or nothing at all. Even if Charley didn’t get it from the CMA’s or traveling, it still puts the CMAs in a spot they should’ve entirely avoided, not only for the organization itself but for the health and wellbeing of the artists and all the crew involved, too. Another legend we need to worry about who was there. Mickey Gilley was in the audiance because he was on the soundtrack of Urban Cowboy with Charlie Daniels. Johnny Lee was there, too. Just sayin'.
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