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Post by Albie on Jul 16, 2020 14:44:49 GMT -5
ok knock yourselves out guys (figuratively and literally speaking)! Day 1 BeginsDeadline has been set for 07.17.2020 3:45PM CDT (4:45PM EDT)It takes 7/12 votes to lynch eliminate! Day One: Tag Count 0 Not tagging: .exclusive, Albie, Az, Koochie, gabe, Lukas, Blue Martian, Max, Mylo, Pink Martian, Shooter, wripwrap This is pre-Lukas being tagged out, Martians are still there. I say kill one of them. Actually, if you look at the time stamps, that post you're quoting was edited to include the Blue Martian and Pink Martian afterwards. I KNOW they weren't there when that post was first made. The time stamp sequence goes like this: -lukas votes exclusive -less than 20 minutes later, exclusive appears and makes the post after lukas's -about a minute later, another vote count update is posted (I can't say for sure whether this one included the martians to begin with or not..but it was also edited a minute later) -a couple minutes later, the original vote count post that you quoted above was edited to include the martians -Matt tags cynthia -Max tags shoooter -Lukas's death scene is posted
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Post by gabe on Jul 16, 2020 14:49:22 GMT -5
Ok I was re-reading the rules with the intention of seeing if a role claim would be useful in this case. I was thinking it wouldn't hurt us as it appears that all Teacher's Pets have the same role and there are no Cops or Doctors for us to protect. BUT I noticed the last rule listed below which leaves it kind of open for town power roles to be perhaps be present? I guess I'm asking for help on interpreting this and seeing what everyone else thinks. Role claiming isn't something I'm saying we should or shouldn't do right at this moment. But trying to think of whether its less risky for us to do than it is in other games this early on just because of the game mechanics. Reason being, if we at some point decide to strategize who will hide and who will seek, we can better interpret any information we get on D2 from N1 actions. At any rate...all that aside, after reading the rules over again, I then zeroed in on the phrase: "...all teacher's pets have identical role function while active in this game". The last few words have me wondering: if you become inactive, or 'tagged' in this case, does this imply you then have a different role function? i.e. Lukas dies and then martians appear. Maybe its something Lukas did. Am I reading too much into things already? lmao I DO confirm that there is a faction named Teacher's Pets, who function as 'town' players. I DO confirm that all Teacher's Pets have identical role functions while active in this game. I DO confirm the existence of at least one scum faction. I DO NOT confirm the existence or non-existence of more than one scum faction. I DO confirm that non-Town players receive both flavor and role safe-claims. I DO confirm the absence of a Cop, or any conventional Cop variants in this game. I DO confirm the absence of a Doctor, or any conventional Doctor variants in this game. I DO NOT confirm the presence or absence of any other roles.I realize you were probably writing this while I made my last post but just look up a bit for it, Lukas and the martians were in the game at the same time. I'm also not convinced that there's town power roles present because remember that all Teacher's Pets (town) have identical functions in the game. Everyone else will be some opposing faction, which I doubt will work with town. I do think that the wording is interesting (while *active* in this game) but I'm not sure that's super relevant right now seeing as only Lukas has been tagged out yet so we don't have too much to go off.. Re: claiming early, I think it could actually be beneficial. Given that all Teacher's pets (town) have a function each night that can protect from direct attacks on us I think the risk is less than it would be in another game. I still think we need to push up a martian and see what happens. In the unlikely event that the martians are somehow useful to town, we still have one more after the first is lynched.
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Post by gabe on Jul 16, 2020 14:54:32 GMT -5
This is pre-Lukas being tagged out, Martians are still there. I say kill one of them. Actually, if you look at the time stamps, that post you're quoting was edited to include the Blue Martian and Pink Martian afterwards. I KNOW they weren't there when that post was first made. The time stamp sequence goes like this: -lukas votes exclusive -less than 20 minutes later, exclusive appears and makes the post after lukas's -about a minute later, another vote count update is posted (I can't say for sure whether this one included the martians to begin with or not..but it was also edited a minute later) -a couple minutes later, the original vote count post that you quoted above was edited to include the martians -Matt tags cynthia -Max tags shoooter -Lukas's death scene is posted oops okay I didn't realize that. Ignore my point about that above then, i'm a clown!!
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 16, 2020 14:58:14 GMT -5
Is it possible that Lukas is still in the game or is he gone completely: i.e. lynched?
Is there any benefit to hypothesizing the makeup of the game as if it were not bastard? If we know all town roles are the same, suggesting there are no power roles, and there are ten players, is there likely one scum faction or could there be some other makeup? I guess it doesn’t matter as a bastard game but I’d still like to believe there be some sort of balance despite that...
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Post by Albie on Jul 16, 2020 15:02:05 GMT -5
No worries! And I'm not saying the Martians appearing have to correlate with the lukas death necessarily. But all I do know is that they weren't there at first and then they were edited in. So, I have to believe its as a consequence of something. I think I can get with the idea of voting out a martian to see what happens. But maybe we should agree on which martian? The con is that we might miss a chance at possibly lynching scum. Although I guess we have no idea what will actually happen if we lynch a martian lol. Also, I think wrip is the only person that hasn't checked in yet? I know since this is bastard, there are more things to talk about than in a normal game right off the bat. But in a normal game, we'd also be pointing out that we haven't heard from someone and its been a whole day so where are you wripwrap?
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Post by Albie on Jul 16, 2020 15:03:20 GMT -5
Oops, the above post was in reply to gabe just FYI
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Post by Albie on Jul 16, 2020 15:05:45 GMT -5
Is it possible that Lukas is still in the game or is he gone completely: i.e. lynched?
Is there any benefit to hypothesizing the makeup of the game as if it were not bastard? If we know all town roles are the same, suggesting there are no power roles, and there are ten players, is there likely one scum faction or could there be some other makeup? I guess it doesn’t matter as a bastard game but I’d still like to believe there be some sort of balance despite that... That's what I was trying to think about as well. I wonder if the word 'eliminated' could mean what it means irl...which is you're out of the game being played. But that person is still on the sidelines watching everyone else have fun. Maybe lukas is on the sidelines but not totally gone?
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Post by wrip on Jul 16, 2020 15:19:33 GMT -5
No worries! And I'm not saying the Martians appearing have to correlate with the lukas death necessarily. But all I do know is that they weren't there at first and then they were edited in. So, I have to believe its as a consequence of something. I think I can get with the idea of voting out a martian to see what happens. But maybe we should agree on which martian? The con is that we might miss a chance at possibly lynching scum. Although I guess we have no idea what will actually happen if we lynch a martian lol. Also, I think wrip is the only person that hasn't checked in yet? I know since this is bastard, there are more things to talk about than in a normal game right off the bat. But in a normal game, we'd also be pointing out that we haven't heard from someone and its been a whole day so where are you wripwrap? Tag: albie
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Post by gabe on Jul 16, 2020 15:23:14 GMT -5
Sunny days, everything's a-ok...until it's not!
It's time to head to the playground and play some hide-and-seek! But A few of you guys are not cooperating and you're trying to play tag instead. Can the rest of you find them before everyone gets tagged out of the game?Liucci, Zoe, Teacher's Pet, has been tagged out of the game! It is now Day 1.Regarding whether Lukas is actually gone or whether the aliens abducted him or something, I just wanted to go back and take a look at the verbage Cynthia has used in the posts so far. "A few of you guys are not cooperating and you're trying to play tag instead" -- This suggests that there are at least 2 "Mafia" players whose goal is to tag out the Teacher's Pets. "Can you find the rest of them before everyone gets tagged out of the game" -- To me this would suggest that when the Mafia tags someone, they are out of the game, dead with no chance of returning. Since "tag" is also being used to vote to lynch someone, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that those who are lynched are also tagged out of the game. Oh no! We just got here and already someone has been tagged!
Lukas , Bert, Teacher's Pet, has been eliminated from the game! From this we know that Lukas was tagged however he was not tagged out, instead he was eliminated from the game. This makes me want to believe that this was from a different faction with different mechanics but I think we might get some more clarity after we see what a night kill looks like.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 16, 2020 15:47:57 GMT -5
Wait - what if it’s like tag and roles (or in this case, scum roles) get passed? Could that even make sense in this game?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 16:41:10 GMT -5
#Mod: I will be updating with a new vote count shortly, but before I do I want to clarify this one thing This is pre-Lukas being tagged out, Martians are still there. I say kill one of them. Actually, if you look at the time stamps, that post you're quoting was edited to include the Blue Martian and Pink Martian afterwards. No, the Martians were always there. I edited the post bc after I was posted vote count 1, I noticed that I had typed the wrong date in the tag counts, and also had referred to needing so many votes to 'lynch' (I'm avoiding using the word lynch both for flavor purposes and because with current events I don't want anyone to feel triggered by the usual mafia verbiage - it's a sensitivity issue more so than anything) so I went back in to fix those errors. Otherwise, no other information was added that wasn't already there. If you go back and look at the time stamps you can see that the edit times in Tag counts 0 and 1 are barely a minute apart, but the tag count that comes with Lukas' elimination was made over two hours later. Likewise, I also made a couple of typographical edits to the setup post, but I didn't add or take away anything pertinent to the players' understanding of the game (as it were). Meanwhile I was sitting here wondering if or when anyone was ever gonna notice those Martians there lol. This post is not to be construed as indicating anything else regarding the events of the game thus far, but just want to make sure that is clear as you all try to figure out what is happening. The Martians are indeed taggable, but I will say no more on that. What to do with them is for you guys to figure out!
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Post by gabe on Jul 16, 2020 16:44:36 GMT -5
#Mod: I will be updating with a new vote count shortly, but before I do I want to clarify this one thing Actually, if you look at the time stamps, that post you're quoting was edited to include the Blue Martian and Pink Martian afterwards. No, the Martians were always there. I edited the post bc after I was posted vote count 1, I noticed that I had typed the wrong date in the tag counts, and also had referred to needing so many votes to 'lynch' (I'm avoiding using the word lynch both for flavor purposes and because with current events I don't want anyone to feel triggered by the usual mafia verbiage - it's a sensitivity issue more so than anything) so I went back in to fix those errors. Otherwise, no other information was added that wasn't already there. If you go back and look at the time stamps you can see that the edit times in Tag counts 0 and 1 are barely a minute apart, but the tag count that comes with Lukas' elimination was made over two hours later. Likewise, I also made a couple of typographical edits to the setup post, but I didn't add or take away anything pertinent to the players' understanding of the game (as it were). Meanwhile I was sitting here wondering if or when anyone was ever gonna notice those Martians there lol. This post is not to be construed as indicating anything else regarding the events of the game thus far, but just want to make sure that is clear as you all try to figure out what is happening. The Martians are indeed taggable, but I will say no more on that. What to do with them is for you guys to figure out! @mod: Thanks for the clarification! Can you confirm or deny that in the future, new information won't be added to already existing posts by an edit (basically when you edit a post it's just because you made an error, not because you're introducing new things into the game)?
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Post by Albie on Jul 16, 2020 16:48:00 GMT -5
Welp, then I guess they were already there lol. Thanks Cynthia!
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Post by Albie on Jul 16, 2020 16:48:54 GMT -5
Wait - what if it’s like tag and roles (or in this case, scum roles) get passed? Could that even make sense in this game? Are you saying like if a scum player tags a town player they'd pass their scum role onto them?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 16:49:51 GMT -5
Day 1 BeginsDeadline has been set for 07.17.2020 3:45PM CDT (4:45PM EDT)It takes 6/11 votes to eliminate! Day One: Tag Count 4 Blue Martian: gabe, Koochie Max: Shooter Pink Martian: Max, Az .exclusive: albie albie: wripwrap Not tagging: .exclusive, Blue Martian, Mylo, Pink Martian You only have ~23 hours left to vote!
Also just fyi wrip , I will recognize your tag/vote for now, but please bold your tags in the future to make sure I notice them! Unbolded tags are easily missed if I'm doing a quick scroll through
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 16:51:27 GMT -5
#Mod: I will be updating with a new vote count shortly, but before I do I want to clarify this one thing No, the Martians were always there. I edited the post bc after I was posted vote count 1, I noticed that I had typed the wrong date in the tag counts, and also had referred to needing so many votes to 'lynch' (I'm avoiding using the word lynch both for flavor purposes and because with current events I don't want anyone to feel triggered by the usual mafia verbiage - it's a sensitivity issue more so than anything) so I went back in to fix those errors. Otherwise, no other information was added that wasn't already there. If you go back and look at the time stamps you can see that the edit times in Tag counts 0 and 1 are barely a minute apart, but the tag count that comes with Lukas' elimination was made over two hours later. Likewise, I also made a couple of typographical edits to the setup post, but I didn't add or take away anything pertinent to the players' understanding of the game (as it were). Meanwhile I was sitting here wondering if or when anyone was ever gonna notice those Martians there lol. This post is not to be construed as indicating anything else regarding the events of the game thus far, but just want to make sure that is clear as you all try to figure out what is happening. The Martians are indeed taggable, but I will say no more on that. What to do with them is for you guys to figure out! @mod: Thanks for the clarification! Can you confirm or deny that in the future, new information won't be added to already existing posts by an edit (basically when you edit a post it's just because you made an error, not because you're introducing new things into the game)? #Mod: Yes! I can confirm that new information will never be added to already existing posts. If I need to inform you guys of something new or introduce something new to the game, I'll make a new post.
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Post by Albie on Jul 16, 2020 16:55:59 GMT -5
Wait I just realized the Martians are even in the player/vote count. It takes 6/11 votes to eliminate. There are 9 players and 2 martians playing for a total of 11. Does that mean they can vote somehow?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 16, 2020 17:03:42 GMT -5
Wait - what if it’s like tag and roles (or in this case, scum roles) get passed? Could that even make sense in this game? Are you saying like if a scum player tags a town player they'd pass their scum role onto them? I ...guess? I’m just kind of thinking out loud here because of the focus on the use of ‘tag’ in here. And it being a children’s theme with Sesame Street and stuff. Maybe tag has something to do with it? I’m just not sure if it even makes sense because, would the people tagged or even the people tagging know about it? Idk. Even if not, might be an idea I can steal for a future bastardized version :kii:
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Post by gabe on Jul 16, 2020 17:07:33 GMT -5
Wait I just realized the Martians are even in the player/vote count. It takes 6/11 votes to eliminate. There are 9 players and 2 martians playing for a total of 11. Does that mean they can vote somehow? I guess? But it doesn't seem like they're able to chat so... I don't think they really serve much purpose to us right now other than requiring more votes for majority
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Post by Albie on Jul 16, 2020 17:08:33 GMT -5
Are you saying like if a scum player tags a town player they'd pass their scum role onto them? I ...guess? I’m just kind of thinking out loud here because of the focus on the use of ‘tag’ in here. And it being a children’s theme with Sesame Street and stuff. Maybe tag has something to do with it? I’m just not sure if it even makes sense because, would the people tagged or even the people tagging know about it? Idk. Even if not, might be an idea I can steal for a future bastardized version It does make sense from the game mechanics of the games of Tag and Hide & Seek. Because in those games, when you're tagged, you're "it". And being "it" means you're now the one getting everyone. So, I see where you're going with it. Whether or not that can translate to this game though, I'm not sure.
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Post by Albie on Jul 16, 2020 17:15:54 GMT -5
Wait I just realized the Martians are even in the player/vote count. It takes 6/11 votes to eliminate. There are 9 players and 2 martians playing for a total of 11. Does that mean they can vote somehow? I guess? But it doesn't seem like they're able to chat so... I don't think they really serve much purpose to us right now other than requiring more votes for majority Ok, I think you're right. The purpose is to make it more difficult for town. And it does that in at least two ways: 1) it requires us to need a higher number of votes to reach a majority vote and 2) it confuses us because we don't have any basis for these people's existence or actions, if they should ever act. It is notable that they've been in the game the whole time and have not acted. I'm reminded of another Mafia game - also led by Cynthia, mind you - where I had a role in which I could add in an additional anonymous vote into the game. However, iirc, in that game my extra vote didn't get counted in the required vote minimum. All it did was make it easier for me as mafia to get to a mislynch quicker. So, I guess we can be on the lookout for whether the martians ever vote. And if they don't is that because they can't or because whoever controls them has chosen not to. And are both controlled by one other player? Or one each?
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Post by SHOOTER on Jul 16, 2020 17:50:32 GMT -5
Yes, can we please use anything other than lynch (especially considering it's still happening IRL in 2020)? I'm far from an SJW but that word rubs me wrong for all of the reasons. Thank you.
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Post by SHOOTER on Jul 16, 2020 17:51:28 GMT -5
Also, I'm a Mafia virgin but there's two Martians so is it wrong to assume they have different functions? Just a thought.
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Post by Koochie on Jul 16, 2020 17:53:58 GMT -5
Role claiming sounds like a bad idea in a bastard game since scum could just flagrantly lie, lol. Also if town DOES have power roles, outing them seems like a bad idea.
Also, not to throw wrenches in the martians thing either after I just said we should go for them, but considering we now have a townie dead and possible scum day kills, factored into the mix, maybe scum hunting over alien hunting should be prioritized?
@mod: yolo question you probably can’t answer, but does lynching/tagging an alien out of the game end the day phase?
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Post by Koochie on Jul 16, 2020 17:58:15 GMT -5
Oh, a lot more discussion I missed.
So, ok, I think Max is on a wild goose chase with the mafia tagging people into their faction. The possibility of a reviver potentially bringing Lukas back into the game isn’t unheard of, but it’s also not something we can plan for so it’s a moot point.
Right now I think we’re mostly in agreement that the martians should be investigated, BUT I think Albie has a point that we’ve wasted a lot of time scum hunting as well. (Also random side note, but could be a red pill blue pill situation where the martian we lynch significantly alters the game in different ways).
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Post by Koochie on Jul 16, 2020 17:58:37 GMT -5
O just read the request RE: lynch, I’ll try to do better about not using it
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Jul 16, 2020 17:59:42 GMT -5
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Cursory glance at those martians makes me think one might be a town helper and one might be scum helper, in some form. Could be wrong with this but I don't think we should mindlessly kill them (especially if it gives us zero information lol).
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Post by gabe on Jul 16, 2020 18:05:57 GMT -5
Role claiming sounds like a bad idea in a bastard game since scum could just flagrantly lie, lol. Also if town DOES have power roles, outing them seems like a bad idea. Also, not to throw wrenches in the martians thing either after I just said we should go for them, but considering we now have a townie dead and possible scum day kills, factored into the mix, maybe scum hunting over alien hunting should be prioritized? @mod: yolo question you probably can’t answer, but does lynching/tagging an alien out of the game end the day phase? All town roles are identical and not power roles
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 16, 2020 18:14:20 GMT -5
Role claiming sounds like a bad idea in a bastard game since scum could just flagrantly lie, lol. Also if town DOES have power roles, outing them seems like a bad idea. Also, not to throw wrenches in the martians thing either after I just said we should go for them, but considering we now have a townie dead and possible scum day kills, factored into the mix, maybe scum hunting over alien hunting should be prioritized? @mod: yolo question you probably can’t answer, but does lynching/tagging an alien out of the game end the day phase? All town roles are identical and not power roles Looking at the OP, it says all Teacher's Pets are identical. What it doesn't say is that Teacher's Pet is the only Town role in the game.
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Post by Albie on Jul 16, 2020 18:24:24 GMT -5
All town roles are identical and not power roles Looking at the OP, it says all Teacher's Pets are identical. What it doesn't say is that Teacher's Pet is the only Town role in the game. I think it does though, if all that's actually happening is the words "Teacher's Pets" are standing in for the word "Town" for flavor purposes only.
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