Hide & Seek Mafia: Day 4

[Az Paynter]

But it says further down that Cynthia did NOT confirm the presence or absence of other roles. That still leaves it open to Town roles other than Teacher's Pet.

[SHOOTER]

Jul 16, 2020 17:58:15 GMT -5 Koochie said:

Oh, a lot more discussion I missed.

So, ok, I think Max is on a wild goose chase with the mafia tagging people into their faction. The possibility of a reviver potentially bringing Lukas back into the game isn’t unheard of, but it’s also not something we can plan for so it’s a moot point.

Right now I think we’re mostly in agreement that the martians should be investigated, BUT I think Albie has a point that we’ve wasted a lot of time scum hunting as well. (Also random side note, but could be a red pill blue pill situation where the martian we lynch significantly alters the game in different ways).

That was my thought especially considering how unconventional this version is by design. There's got to be a pair for a reason. Or maybe that's just to throw us off.

[gabe]

Jul 16, 2020 18:26:24 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

But it says further down that Cynthia did NOT confirm the presence or absence of other roles. That still leaves it open to Town roles other than Teacher's Pet.

I DO confirm that there is a faction named Teacher's Pets, who function as 'town' players.
I DO confirm that all Teacher's Pets have identical role functions while active in this game.

(The above is from the OP just too lazy to quote)

That means that all Teacher's Pets (which are town players) have identical role functions. Sure, there may be other factions out there but they are not Town/Teacher's Pets.

[Albie]

Jul 16, 2020 18:26:24 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

But it says further down that Cynthia did NOT confirm the presence or absence of other roles. That still leaves it open to Town roles other than Teacher's Pet.

...admittedly that's the part I'm hung up on. And the more I think about it the more I wonder if these martians are meant to be helpful? That is, if lukas isn't truly gone, then that is a way for there to be a town role that isn't just vanilla. Though I don't understand how we're supposed to utilize them if they're meant to be helpful.

But the rule stating "...have identical roles while active in this game" would make sense in this case. Again, I might be over-thinking it. I do think its possible that was just a way for Cynthia not say 'dead' or any such words. 

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

Maybe Lukas is still a player in the game, but is no longer active but now has a power role, he just can’t interact with us in this thread?

[Albie]

Jul 16, 2020 18:37:26 GMT -5 Devil Marlena Nylund said:

Maybe Lukas is still a player in the game, but is no longer active but now has a power role, he just can’t interact with us in this thread?

Yeah! That's kind of where I was going. I remember a game where someone was silenced or something and all they could do was place their vote to tell us what they thought.

Although, again, that hinged upon using the vote as a means of communication. And these martians haven't done shit lol

[gabe]

Jul 16, 2020 18:33:36 GMT -5 Albie said:

Jul 16, 2020 18:26:24 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

But it says further down that Cynthia did NOT confirm the presence or absence of other roles. That still leaves it open to Town roles other than Teacher's Pet.

...admittedly that's the part I'm hung up on. And the more I think about it the more I wonder if these martians are meant to be helpful? That is, if lukas isn't truly gone, then that is a way for there to be a town role that isn't just vanilla. Though I don't understand how we're supposed to utilize them if they're meant to be helpful.

But the rule stating "...have identical roles while active in this game" would make sense in this case. Again, I might be over-thinking it. I do think its possible that was just a way for Cynthia not say 'dead' or any such words. 

I have a hard time believing that the martians are on Town's side. I think we can all agree that, whatever faction they are, they are definitely not Town Teacher's Pet (and since Teacher's Pet is the only town, therefore not Town). 

With that being said, the martians are probably not here to help us win. Even though we haven't been playing for too long, it's already evident that the martians have made it more complicated for us and will continue to make it more difficult because a) they are a complete mystery; b) they cannot communicate with us (at least they haven't been able to so far); and c) while they are able to vote, they have not voted yet which to me suggests that they are just here to raise the number needed for a majority or perhaps something like I believe Albie said, where they can vote last minute to mis-tag.

I think that with the information we have now, there is no reason to not tag one of them. They have only been a roadblock in this game so far. Whether they're a neutral faction or simply there to throw us off, they aren't helping. 

If we vote one of them up now we may be able to get some valuable information that could give us an advantage early in the game. 

[gabe]

Exclusive  Mylo13 💜 SHOOTER wrip  I would be OVERJOYED to hear your ideas and speculations about what's going on when you get the chance! Especially you wripwrap, you might as well be a damn martian.. go girl give us nothing! 

[Exclusive]

Jul 16, 2020 12:19:47 GMT -5 Albie said:

Tag: Exclusive

Did you bring these Martians with you?

2020 Alien invasion conformed! This is my second time playing and damn I feel as if I have no clue what's happening but I'll share my thoughts.

What I noticed is that apart from the named players, there are two Martians and two alternatives listed (Coco & Zebra). Although it may be a stretch, could there be a chance that there are players interacting that we are unaware of under the guise of martian? I think it would least likely be the alternative players though. This speculation is also stemmed from this quote in the OP.

Set-Up:

This is a Semi-Open set-up for 12 Players.

[wrip]

I don’t have much else that needs to be said since everyone has mentioned what I’ve thought. I don’t really know if I trust the martians though, something about that seems off to me

[gabe]

Jul 16, 2020 22:03:03 GMT -5 Exclusive said:

Jul 16, 2020 12:19:47 GMT -5 Albie said:

Tag: Exclusive

Did you bring these Martians with you?

2020 Alien invasion conformed! This is my second time playing and damn I feel as if I have no clue what's happening but I'll share my thoughts.

What I noticed is that apart from the named players, there are two Martians and two alternatives listed (Coco & Zebra). Although it may be a stretch, could there be a chance that there are players interacting that we are unaware of under the guise of martian? I think it would least likely be the alternative players though. This speculation is also stemmed from this quote in the OP.

Set-Up:

This is a Semi-Open set-up for 12 Players.

Good point! I noticed this before which does definitely lead me to believe that the martians are players, but also at the same time they've essentially functioned as NPCs. I doubt we'll ever be able to interact with them.. I feel like they would have posted if they were able to talk

[gabe]

Jul 16, 2020 22:12:23 GMT -5 wrip said:

I don’t have much else that needs to be said since everyone has mentioned what I’ve thought. I don’t really know if I trust the martians though, something about that seems off to me

So what do you think? We've been floating around a few different ideas. Certainly you can pinpoint one specific one that you fuck with! And saying you don't trust the martians is like saying we're playing mafia... no shit

This is giving me gabe vibes from the last mafia game.. low effort & confused. I'm thinking town for now (or perhaps a potential neutral faction) because I feel like if they were mafia, their partner(s) would be pushing them to be more active and insightful

[SHOOTER]

Tag: gabe

I'm completely new to Mafia so please forgive me if I'm not a great strategist yet. That said, the one thing I noticed is that Lukas was eliminated immediately (and I didn't know that was even possible), the Martians were introduced and we have yet to see either of them surface in here. Then exclusive pointed out we have two Martians and two "alternates" listed so I feel like these Martians are active, just not active in the thread. For what reason though? Idk.

[Deleted]

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Day 1 Begins

Deadline has been set for 07.17.2020 3:45PM CDT (4:45PM EDT)

It takes 6/11 votes to eliminate!

Day One: Tag Count 5

Blue Martian: gabe, Koochie
Pink Martian: Max, Az
.exclusive: albie
albie: wripwrap
wripwrap: Pink Martian
gabe: Shooter

Not tagging: .exclusive, Blue Martian, Mylo

You only have ~13.75 hours left to vote!

[Albie]

Jul 17, 2020 0:14:40 GMT -5 SHOOTER said:

Tag: gabe

I'm completely new to Mafia so please forgive me if I'm not a great strategist yet. That said, the one thing I noticed is that Lukas was eliminated immediately (and I didn't know that was even possible), the Martians were introduced and we have yet to see either of them surface in here. Then exclusive pointed out we have two Martians and two "alternates" listed so I feel like these Martians are active, just not active in the thread. For what reason though? Idk.

I have my reasons for thinking why one would vote for gabe but I'm not quite following what your reason is.  Is this an RVS vote still? Or is there a logical reason that I'm not following? 

I ask because if so, this would be the first real non-RVS vote so far but trying to figure out what your reasoning is. Apologies if its clear but I've re-read what you said after the vote and I don't see the connection to your vote.

[Deleted]

Jul 16, 2020 17:53:58 GMT -5 Koochie said:

Role claiming sounds like a bad idea in a bastard game since scum could just flagrantly lie, lol. Also if town DOES have power roles, outing them seems like a bad idea.

Also, not to throw wrenches in the martians thing either after I just said we should go for them, but considering we now have a townie dead and possible scum day kills, factored into the mix, maybe scum hunting over alien hunting should be prioritized?

@mod: yolo question you probably can’t answer, but does lynching/tagging an alien out of the game end the day phase?

#Mod: No, I cannot answer that until it happens

[Albie]

ok also wtf even is this vote count update!?

The damn martians are talking and the Pink Martian has voted for wripwrap. Ok let me Untag: exclusive.

We have half a day and way less time than that by the time I wake up tomorrow so I want to have my vote somewhere.

Tag: Pink Martian

But uhh I'm annoyed that we're only talking martians and D1 is coming to an end and we haven't really scum hunted lmao

[Albie]

oh damn it I did that in quick reply and forgot to format

Tag: Pink Martian

[SHOOTER]

Jul 17, 2020 2:07:16 GMT -5 Albie said:

Jul 17, 2020 0:14:40 GMT -5 SHOOTER said:

Tag: gabe

I'm completely new to Mafia so please forgive me if I'm not a great strategist yet. That said, the one thing I noticed is that Lukas was eliminated immediately (and I didn't know that was even possible), the Martians were introduced and we have yet to see either of them surface in here. Then exclusive pointed out we have two Martians and two "alternates" listed so I feel like these Martians are active, just not active in the thread. For what reason though? Idk.

I have my reasons for thinking why one would vote for gabe but I'm not quite following what your reason is.  Is this an RVS vote still? Or is there a logical reason that I'm not following? 

I ask because if so, this would be the first real non-RVS vote so far but trying to figure out what your reasoning is. Apologies if its clear but I've re-read what you said after the vote and I don't see the connection to your vote.

It's not that deep. I thought it was a random tag spree since there didn't seem to be any real direction.

untag: gabe

tag: pink martian

I don't trust either of them hoes.

[Albie]

Ok I'm not crazy then lol. You're absolutely right in that it had been a random tag spree. That's Random Voting Stage or RVS which always takes place for the better part of Day 1.

We usually leave RVS by the time we get closer to deadline so I guess that's now being that we have 4 votes on Pink Martian at this point - that's a legit wagon. We only need 2 more votes for a lynch though so I would definitely say anyone else let's hold off on votes until we get more input (although its probably just California people and zombie-ass Cynthia until everyone else wakes up).

[Albie]

oh damn it I'm sorry for using the L word and I can't edit. its such a part of the Mafia lingo :(

[Deleted]

leave my zombie ass alone! Walking Dead is another flavor for another time

last tag update for the night pre-sunrise morning

Day 1 Begins

Deadline has been set for 07.17.2020 3:45PM CDT (4:45PM EDT)

It takes 6/11 votes to eliminate!

Day One: Tag Count 6

Pink Martian: Max, Az, Albie, Shooter
Blue Martian: gabe, Koochie
albie: wripwrap
wripwrap:Pink Martian

Not tagging: .exclusive, Blue Martian, Mylo

You only have ~13.25 hours left to vote!

[gabe]

Pink martian did NOT come to play omg

Just from the little martian-talk it seems like the two martians are working together and have the ability to tag someone out of the game.

untag: blue martian


tag: pink martian

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

I forget, in bastard games, do things generally make sense at the end? As in, would pink Martian’s vote be something that will make sense once we know why or could it be completely random and up to Cynthia’s will? I’m just wondering if it’s worth looking into why it suddenly has a vote. Could there be a keyword in wripwrap’s post that triggered a vote?

[Zeebz]

Since I’m being tagged, I may as well come clean about my role. I’m the Pink Martian. I’m just now claiming this because, well, we can only speak if we are voted for or tagged lol (and that’s only if we actually want to.) My role isn’t what you think, though. Literally the sole purpose of the Martian role is so that Town has the extra numbers while also allowing me to basically do nothing as an alternate should I not want to, lmao

Highkey debated not posting and just letting the confusion continue, but here we are.

[Zeebz]

Also lmao I didn’t see the vote on wripwrap, that wasn’t me. My vote is random, unless I choose it to not be

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

Lmao okay so that theory someone mentioned was right. I didn’t think it could be an option because to be listed as “alternates” by definition means you’re not in the game at all (yet). I also lowkey thought it couldn’t be possible because no way would coco be a player in the game and willingly be silent :kii:
I guess being bastard means rules can be bent slightly.

Does that mean if we tag blue Martian we get coco in here too?

That still doesn’t explain Lukas’ tagging out tho

[Zeebz]

Listen I didn’t think it was possible either but here we are, lol. I was an alternate, but now I’m in the game with the most relaxed role ever lmao

[gabe]

Jul 17, 2020 7:45:00 GMT -5 Zeebz said:

Since I’m being tagged, I may as well come clean about my role. I’m the Pink Martian. I’m just now claiming this because, well, we can only speak if we are voted for or tagged lol (and that’s only if we actually want to.) My role isn’t what you think, though. Literally the sole purpose of the Martian role is so that Town has the extra numbers while also allowing me to basically do nothing as an alternate should I not want to, lmao

Highkey debated not posting and just letting the confusion continue, but here we are.

I'm sorry Ms. Zebra but something seems off here... you were first tagged 18 hours ago but are just now talking. Why the delay? If anything it sounds like scum trying to help scum out by keeping the focus on the martians and not on scum hunting. What about the Blue Martian? Can you communicate with him? Does he have the same mechanics? If so, he was tagged almost 24 hours ago.. why the wait again? None of what you have done (or rather, haven't done) has helped town out so I have a hard time believing that there's two people out there whose sole focus is to help town win. 

[Zeebz]

Lmao read into my lack of participation as you will, but my lack of a response comes from me genuinely being busy and honestly not really caring? I signed up to be an alternate and one of the conditions of our role is that we are allowed to sit back. For half of the game nobody even noticed the Martians and then when they did I didn’t assume anything of the vote, hence why I didn’t bother to pop in until now.

Why would I claim this random asf role that’s about to be lynched if I was scum? I would’ve just voted for Pink Martian. I think you’re reading too much into this role which is clearly just meant to be a bastard role.

I suspect that Blue Martian (Coco if you’re all following along lmao) is just not participating for the same reason. Neither of us really had the time right now to go into a full fledged mafia game and this is bastard so I thought why not just let them think what they want for shits and giggles.

Yes, we can communicate. We don’t have to, but we can discuss the vote in our QT (since we can’t discuss in thread unless we are summoned) so that we can make the best decision to help Town. We have the exact same mechanics. We don’t speak unless directly spoken to or voted for, but even then only if we care enough to do so