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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 5, 2020 8:10:49 GMT -5
Am I the only one annoyed that this is being released as a country single? It’s a great song don’t get me wrong but Taylor has made it clear she is no longer a country artist. Now I don’t think this is going to do very much at country radio but I wish our industry would actually support our artist like Kacey, Ashley, Lauren ect. Again not bashing the song I like it.....I don’t like that her/her label are just trying to get more exposure by pushing it on country radio. For every spin this gets its one less for another female that is actually in the country format. She respectfully pulled herself out of country music because she started focusing on making pop music, but she has made it clear that she'll always have a desire to keep her country roots, and "Betty" is a country song so I see absolutely no issue with its release to country radio, especially since she still has a lot of support in the country industry. It's also not Taylor's responsibility to step aside just so sexist country radio can have more room to play females. "Betty" getting airplay on country radio is going to be much less of an issue for her fellow women than it is for radio to continually prop up all the non-entity generic fodder churned out by faceless new males who fail to move the needle. Taylor isn't squeezing the females out and pitting females against each other for precious space is the problem: the real issue is the glut of artists like Jon Langston, Travis Denning, LoCash, Chase Rice, etc. Women's slice of the country radio pie is thankfully increasing a lot more though, as evidenced by their successes in 2020, so it's nice to see the tides starting to shift a little bit. "Betty" will only add to that statistic if it succeeds in a big way and I see it as advocating for the cause of playing more women.
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Post by austin on Aug 5, 2020 9:08:58 GMT -5
Am I the only one annoyed that this is being released as a country single? It’s a great song don’t get me wrong but Taylor has made it clear she is no longer a country artist. Now I don’t think this is going to do very much at country radio but I wish our industry would actually support our artist like Kacey, Ashley, Lauren ect. Again not bashing the song I like it.....I don’t like that her/her label are just trying to get more exposure by pushing it on country radio. For every spin this gets its one less for another female that is actually in the country format. No. Taylor "left" country because she made a pop album and didnt want to service the singles to Country Radio just because she could. It isn't really her fault once she left, Radio gave up on women rather than allocating her spins to other talented ladies. This is a country song. It deserves to get airplay if the general public has interest in it. It's no different than Sheryl Crow releasing singles to country (beyond her Country album) or Kelly Clarkson being featured on a Country single. Hopefully it smashes, but I expect a peak in the 30s.
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Post by ethanhunt on Aug 5, 2020 12:25:25 GMT -5
Am I the only one annoyed that this is being released as a country single? It’s a great song don’t get me wrong but Taylor has made it clear she is no longer a country artist. Now I don’t think this is going to do very much at country radio but I wish our industry would actually support our artist like Kacey, Ashley, Lauren ect. Again not bashing the song I like it.....I don’t like that her/her label are just trying to get more exposure by pushing it on country radio. For every spin this gets its one less for another female that is actually in the country format. Yes, you are in fact the only one
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Post by taylor on Aug 5, 2020 13:04:53 GMT -5
Am I the only one annoyed that this is being released as a country single? It’s a great song don’t get me wrong but Taylor has made it clear she is no longer a country artist. Now I don’t think this is going to do very much at country radio but I wish our industry would actually support our artist like Kacey, Ashley, Lauren ect. Again not bashing the song I like it.....I don’t like that her/her label are just trying to get more exposure by pushing it on country radio. For every spin this gets its one less for another female that is actually in the country format. A few reminders as to how well-respected Taylor Swift is by the country music industry to this day: -- "Shake It Off," despite not being a country song or a country single, still garnered radio airplay (I remember one time a couple years ago, in 2018, I was eating lunch and listening to the radio and this song came on. I was listening to my country station. I thought the antenna's signals had been altered somehow.) --in 2015 at the ACM Awards when she received the Milestone Award, she had to literally drive the point home that she wouldn't be making country music albums but still would keep her roots. The executives said that if she had a desire to completely return, she'd be welcomed with open arms. --"Better Man," written solely by Taylor and given to Little Big Town in late 2016, became (to date) the group's last #1 hit and won Taylor the CMA for Song of the Year in 2017 --also in 2017, "New Year's Day" from her reputation album was sent to country radio and nearly cracked the Top 40 with literally zero effort --in 2018 "Babe," which was also written solely by Taylor and given to Sugarland for their then-brand-new album and featuring vocals from Taylor, became a single and peaked in the Top 20. So not to drive the point home because multiple people now have responded to this post, but Taylor Swift releasing "betty" to country radio is far from a bad thing, especially considering the tides that women have finally seen changing at radio in 2020. If the label is going to actively push this single (which it's been confirmed so), this song will easily gain some decent airplay and perhaps get as far as Top 20 max (I say Top 20 because we have the performance of "Babe" to go off of). That will actually be a good thing for Taylor, because those country Taylor fans who have missed her impeccable songwriting and quite frankly missed hearing her on the radio will perhaps be interested in hearing the folklore album, quite a few songs on which could frankly pass as country music imo...so they'll buy it or stream it, which keeps her on the charts. Win-win from a label/marketing perspective if you ask me (although I'm no expert on that).
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Post by jacobl18 on Aug 5, 2020 13:50:38 GMT -5
Am I the only one annoyed that this is being released as a country single? It’s a great song don’t get me wrong but Taylor has made it clear she is no longer a country artist. Now I don’t think this is going to do very much at country radio but I wish our industry would actually support our artist like Kacey, Ashley, Lauren ect. Again not bashing the song I like it.....I don’t like that her/her label are just trying to get more exposure by pushing it on country radio. For every spin this gets its one less for another female that is actually in the country format. A few reminders as to how well-respected Taylor Swift is by the country music industry to this day: -- "Shake It Off," despite not being a country song or a country single, still garnered radio airplay (I remember one time a couple years ago, in 2018, I was eating lunch and listening to the radio and this song came on. I was listening to my country station. I thought the antenna's signals had been altered somehow.) --in 2015 at the ACM Awards when she received the Milestone Award, she had to literally drive the point home that she wouldn't be making country music albums but still would keep her roots. The executives said that if she had a desire to completely return, she'd be welcomed with open arms. --"Better Man," written solely by Taylor and given to Little Big Town in late 2016, became (to date) the group's last #1 hit and won Taylor the CMA for Song of the Year in 2017 --also in 2017, "New Year's Day" from her reputation album was sent to country radio and nearly cracked the Top 40 with literally zero effort --in 2018 "Babe," which was also written solely by Taylor and given to Sugarland for their then-brand-new album and featuring vocals from Taylor, became a single and peaked in the Top 20. So not to drive the point home because multiple people now have responded to this post, but Taylor Swift releasing "betty" to country radio is far from a bad thing, especially considering the tides that women have finally seen changing at radio in 2020. If the label is going to actively push this single (which it's been confirmed so), this song will easily gain some decent airplay and perhaps get as far as Top 20 max (I say Top 20 because we have the performance of "Babe" to go off of). That will actually be a good thing for Taylor, because those country Taylor fans who have missed her impeccable songwriting and quite frankly missed hearing her on the radio will perhaps be interested in hearing the folklore album, quite a few songs on which could frankly pass as country music imo...so they'll buy it or stream it, which keeps her on the charts. Win-win from a label/marketing perspective if you ask me (although I'm no expert on that). I will push back on the well respected and say the only reason that programmers play her pop songs on country radio is because they are trying to get listeners of pop stations to tune into country stations. I wish Country music would quit worrying about what other genres do and quit trying to sound like them. Country music is cool and I wish the gate keepers could see that. I want less of the Bebe Rexa, Gwen Stefani, Taylor Swift & more Miranda, Kacey, Carrie, Ashley, Lauren, ect. Could you guys imagine Vanilla Ice being played on country radio in the early 90’s? Nope!
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Post by taylor on Aug 5, 2020 14:21:39 GMT -5
A few reminders as to how well-respected Taylor Swift is by the country music industry to this day: -- "Shake It Off," despite not being a country song or a country single, still garnered radio airplay (I remember one time a couple years ago, in 2018, I was eating lunch and listening to the radio and this song came on. I was listening to my country station. I thought the antenna's signals had been altered somehow.) --in 2015 at the ACM Awards when she received the Milestone Award, she had to literally drive the point home that she wouldn't be making country music albums but still would keep her roots. The executives said that if she had a desire to completely return, she'd be welcomed with open arms. --"Better Man," written solely by Taylor and given to Little Big Town in late 2016, became (to date) the group's last #1 hit and won Taylor the CMA for Song of the Year in 2017 --also in 2017, "New Year's Day" from her reputation album was sent to country radio and nearly cracked the Top 40 with literally zero effort --in 2018 "Babe," which was also written solely by Taylor and given to Sugarland for their then-brand-new album and featuring vocals from Taylor, became a single and peaked in the Top 20. So not to drive the point home because multiple people now have responded to this post, but Taylor Swift releasing "betty" to country radio is far from a bad thing, especially considering the tides that women have finally seen changing at radio in 2020. If the label is going to actively push this single (which it's been confirmed so), this song will easily gain some decent airplay and perhaps get as far as Top 20 max (I say Top 20 because we have the performance of "Babe" to go off of). That will actually be a good thing for Taylor, because those country Taylor fans who have missed her impeccable songwriting and quite frankly missed hearing her on the radio will perhaps be interested in hearing the folklore album, quite a few songs on which could frankly pass as country music imo...so they'll buy it or stream it, which keeps her on the charts. Win-win from a label/marketing perspective if you ask me (although I'm no expert on that). I will push back on the well respected and say the only reason that programmers play her pop songs on country radio is because they are trying to get listeners of pop stations to tune into country stations. I wish Country music would quit worrying about what other genres do and quit trying to sound like them. Country music is cool and I wish the gate keepers could see that. I want less of the Bebe Rexa, Gwen Stefani, Taylor Swift & more Miranda, Kacey, Carrie, Ashley, Lauren, ect. Could you guys imagine Vanilla Ice being played on country radio in the early 90’s? Nope! But see, that right there is gatekeeping. I agree that "Meant to Be" is 100% a pop song and slapping George Strait on it wasn't gonna make it country let alone Florida Georgia Line, and I always scratch my head when I hear "Shake It Off" on my radio station (mind you, it's very rare they do so), but as for this song "betty" in particular...it's a country song and as such deserves proper treatment. It's literally no different from when Kelly Clarkson joined Jason Aldean for "Don't You Wanna Stay," when P!nk joined Kenny Chesney for "Setting the World on Fire," or when Demi Lovato joined Brad Paisley for "Without a Fight." Those are all country songs and deserved the treatment they got. The same goes for Taylor with this song. Pop radio currently has "The Bones" by Maren Morris but she's a country artist. That's because "The Bones" is pop-radio friendly (and imo passes as a purely pop song). Same with "I Hope." Charlie Puth was slapped onto a pop remix of that Gabby Barrett song and is currently on pop radio. By your logic, neither Maren nor Gabby should be played on pop radio because they're country artists and pop artists need more room. That doesn't make sense to me tho. The songs are pop or at least poppier, and as such deserve to be played on pop radio and if anything will actually help the pop radio audience dip their feet in the country music water. The same directly applies with "betty."
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Post by jacobl18 on Aug 5, 2020 14:40:51 GMT -5
I will push back on the well respected and say the only reason that programmers play her pop songs on country radio is because they are trying to get listeners of pop stations to tune into country stations. I wish Country music would quit worrying about what other genres do and quit trying to sound like them. Country music is cool and I wish the gate keepers could see that. I want less of the Bebe Rexa, Gwen Stefani, Taylor Swift & more Miranda, Kacey, Carrie, Ashley, Lauren, ect. Could you guys imagine Vanilla Ice being played on country radio in the early 90’s? Nope! But see, that right there is gatekeeping. I agree that "Meant to Be" is 100% a pop song and slapping George Strait on it wasn't gonna make it country let alone Florida Georgia Line, and I always scratch my head when I hear "Shake It Off" on my radio station (mind you, it's very rare they do so), but as for this song "betty" in particular...it's a country song and as such deserves proper treatment. It's literally no different from when Kelly Clarkson joined Jason Aldean for "Don't You Wanna Stay," when P!nk joined Kenny Chesney for "Setting the World on Fire," or when Demi Lovato joined Brad Paisley for "Without a Fight." Those are all country songs and deserved the treatment they got. The same goes for Taylor with this song. Pop radio currently has "The Bones" by Maren Morris but she's a country artist. That's because "The Bones" is pop-radio friendly (and imo passes as a purely pop song). Same with "I Hope." Charlie Puth was slapped onto a pop remix of that Gabby Barrett song and is currently on pop radio. By your logic, neither Maren nor Gabby should be played on pop radio because they're country artists and pop artists need more room. That doesn't make sense to me tho. The songs are pop or at least poppier, and as such deserve to be played on pop radio and if anything will actually help the pop radio audience dip their feet in the country music water. The same directly applies with "betty." “The Bones” & “I Hope” are pop songs thou! This is my point about country radio. Top 40 stations would never even consider playing Jon Pardi or Midland because they know it’s not pop. Country Radio / Industry is so insecure about actual country music that they take pop songs and say their country.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 5, 2020 14:52:17 GMT -5
I was going to post post-Red country endeavors, but see someone already has. :)
"Betty" is a decent fit for the format, more so than "New Year's Day." So, we will see.
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Post by matty005 on Aug 5, 2020 16:05:51 GMT -5
I feel like, "Pop" music gets such a bad wrap - especially from country fans (this isn't directed at you at all jacobl18 btw) . And I get it. But I also think there's a few double standards and some uniformed opinions. So many times when a song doesn't sound country people say, "they should just release it to Pop - this isn't country!" Yes, the style isn't at all what, "Pop" has been playing. I also wonder why there isn't much push back when an obvious Christian song (take, "Talking To God," by Chrissy Metz) is sent to country radio. I get that Christian/Country kind of go hand and hand, but again, so do Country/Pop.
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Post by rsmatto on Aug 5, 2020 16:48:20 GMT -5
But see, that right there is gatekeeping. I agree that "Meant to Be" is 100% a pop song and slapping George Strait on it wasn't gonna make it country let alone Florida Georgia Line, and I always scratch my head when I hear "Shake It Off" on my radio station (mind you, it's very rare they do so), but as for this song "betty" in particular...it's a country song and as such deserves proper treatment. It's literally no different from when Kelly Clarkson joined Jason Aldean for "Don't You Wanna Stay," when P!nk joined Kenny Chesney for "Setting the World on Fire," or when Demi Lovato joined Brad Paisley for "Without a Fight." Those are all country songs and deserved the treatment they got. The same goes for Taylor with this song. Pop radio currently has "The Bones" by Maren Morris but she's a country artist. That's because "The Bones" is pop-radio friendly (and imo passes as a purely pop song). Same with "I Hope." Charlie Puth was slapped onto a pop remix of that Gabby Barrett song and is currently on pop radio. By your logic, neither Maren nor Gabby should be played on pop radio because they're country artists and pop artists need more room. That doesn't make sense to me tho. The songs are pop or at least poppier, and as such deserve to be played on pop radio and if anything will actually help the pop radio audience dip their feet in the country music water. The same directly applies with "betty." “The Bones” & “I Hope” are pop songs thou! This is my point about country radio. Top 40 stations would never even consider playing Jon Pardi or Midland because they know it’s not pop. Country Radio / Industry is so insecure about actual country music that they take pop songs and say their country. Genres really exist and grew out of racist ideas to keep “white music” for white people and “race records” for black people. Then people wanted to buy music and rural music became “country” and marginalized as “pop” came along but really, pop plays and has ALWAYS played what’s popular. Pop music as a genre became a thing as Elvis and others turned early rock n roll into rockabilly. Country radio has always had wide sounds on it too. So the whole thing you’re screaming out for here has always happened and if you wish to not hear “pop records” on country radio, I suggest you listen to your own playlists through a streaming service.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 5, 2020 22:16:19 GMT -5
Also, a country track featured on on her last album, so while that track (understandably) was not promoted to country radio, this one i a given. As no one put baby in a corner, no one will put Ms. Swift in one musical box.
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Post by Caviar on Aug 5, 2020 22:31:03 GMT -5
This isn’t as instant as “New Years Day”.
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Post by HeyHeyHey on Aug 5, 2020 23:13:35 GMT -5
Honestly, even though some people don’t like Taylor because she “abandoned country” or whatever, in my opinion that is such a small majority.
A lot of the people I know who love Taylor now loved her 10+ years ago when she was a country star and they don’t feel betrayed by her at all. In fact, they feel like they grew up with her and as they grew up her music told the story of their life at the time.
Also, she has “Better Man” which is a song she wrote, “Babe” with Sugarland and still a respect for country artists and the genre. It isn’t like she slammed the genre or anything.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 5, 2020 23:35:44 GMT -5
I mean, the argument might be stronger if country radio wasn’t already playing songs that sound like late-90s boyband pop music by artists labeled as country. The fact one of the biggest artists around today, who started in country music, has released a country-sounding song should be a godsend for country radio, but go on with your elitism.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Aug 5, 2020 23:46:02 GMT -5
The Fighter was a huge country airplay hit despite not being a country song, people should have no issue with this track being sent.
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Post by Joe1240 on Aug 6, 2020 0:46:58 GMT -5
I hope this does well for Taylor on the Country format. Taylor has mentioned in interviews in recent years that she will never forget her Country roots and it is great to see her back on this format with this great song. As already mentioned, Country artists are on pop radio with their crossover hits in recent years such as Kelsea Ballerini "Miss Me More",Maren Morris "The Bones" and Gabby Barrett "I Hope" and Kelsea Ballerini has her song with Halsey "The Other Girl" playing on pop radio at the moment.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 7, 2020 15:42:19 GMT -5
Seriously- "The Fighter" has to be one of the least country-sounding country hits of all time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 16:02:33 GMT -5
I hope for betty to smash! Taylor is amazing and the song is too. Also, The Bones and I Hope are pop, not country.
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Post by Taylor. on Aug 7, 2020 16:19:40 GMT -5
She's been doing interviews with some country stations, so seems like they're legit gonna push this.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Aug 7, 2020 17:16:53 GMT -5
I personally am thrilled to see this getting promoted to country, and hope it is a hit. Love the song, and I definitely feel there are other tracks on this album that can be potentially pushed to country.
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Post by GrinningLikeADevil on Aug 8, 2020 7:37:19 GMT -5
I’m glad this is getting a push and I hope it does well for Taylor. Am I mad to think that if this does well then she could push “invisible string” to Country afterwards?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 8, 2020 8:51:45 GMT -5
^Not necessarily. :) There are a few other songs from the album that have a Swift-country feel.
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Post by taylor on Aug 8, 2020 13:35:10 GMT -5
I’m glad this is getting a push and I hope it does well for Taylor. Am I mad to think that if this does well then she could push “invisible string” to Country afterwards? Not really. I'd go as far as to say "the last great american dynasty" could be a great country single.
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Post by NeRD on Aug 10, 2020 13:18:53 GMT -5
Top 5 on Taking Off.
Not sure if it's as appealing to country as this, but I think Invisible String could do something on Country.
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Post by fearlessarrow on Aug 10, 2020 20:10:59 GMT -5
Her team has a full-page ad for "betty" in the Billboard Country Update, they're not playing around this time.
Up 60-52 on Billboard this week.
EDIT: The ad is on Country Aircheck as well!
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Post by Snowbeast on Aug 10, 2020 23:10:00 GMT -5
She sold 7 million albums from country radio’s upbringing before some of the names dropped here even had a record deal. If she wants to make a country song and send it back to the format, she has more than earned that right.
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Post by fearlessarrow on Aug 11, 2020 0:42:54 GMT -5
Tied for eighth most added with 10 adds this week.
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Post by jab820 on Aug 11, 2020 1:58:10 GMT -5
Tied for eighth most added with 10 adds this week. A week before the official add date, too. It feels like country radio is biting at the bit for this song. Peak at the end of 2020 to celebrate the end of the best year for country women in a decade!!
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Post by tim on Aug 11, 2020 8:39:27 GMT -5
I'd go as far as to say "the last great american dynasty" could be a great country single. THIS! I had the same thought about that song when I was listening to the album the other day...I think it’d be a great choice for country radio as well.
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Post by djHayStack on Aug 11, 2020 12:03:50 GMT -5
I'm not a reporter so nobody cares what I do, but I'm gonna add this to my teaser / tester rotation and play it mostly at night and overnight for now. Just a few prime spins to see if I get feedback. As far as I'm concerned if Blake Shelton loves it that's good enough for me! (j/k obvs)
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