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Post by atg on Aug 14, 2020 14:51:12 GMT -5
The worse these A listers underperform, the better drake performs
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Post by renfield75 on Aug 14, 2020 14:52:36 GMT -5
I think Taylor was super smart with this era. Reputation and Lover saw her doing the same pop music with the same marketing to slightly diminishing returns, a trend that would have continued over the years until no one cared. A surprise album with a slight genre shift was a brilliant move. Taylor will never be a has-been but true legends go on being relevant long after their singles stop racing up the chart. Beyoncé stopped playing that game a while ago while maintaining event status for her albums. It's a smart move for the long run, and since Beyoncé and Taylor are both very smart I'm not surprised that's the direction they're going.
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Post by kingvavis on Aug 14, 2020 15:12:32 GMT -5
No way highest in the room was bigger either. I define a big event as a) influencers outside of music critics/reactors/etc talking about it or b) my grandma and my neighbour's baby sister knowing the song. A song cannot reach the latter in a week, and for the prior it has to have something "special" about it, like Gooba which inspired many, many parodies and re-launched 6ix9ine into the public concious for those fifteen minutes of fame, while laso making it break the record for most-watched rap music video within the first 24 hours (which WAP couldn't break). Highest in the Room on the other hand literally debuted with almost twice the amount of streams of WAP and kept the numbers high throughout the week so saying that it wasn't big just isn't true, especially since it was also discussed because of Travis' breakup with Kylie Jenner. I am not saying that WAP won't be as big as those songs in some time, but saying that it is the biggest event since OTR is just plain wrong. However, I do hope that it will reach those levels, since I really enjoy the song. First of all, circles outside of music have been talking about this song which has gained traction such as in politics. For example, Mr Ben "Wet Ass P-Word" Shapiro making a fool of himself once again for being offended by the song. Second of all, WAP has surpassed HITR in on demand streaming according to the HDD charts (HITR 47m vs WAP 51m). Spotify numbers aren't all that's considered. It is also looking to surpass HITR on US YouTube streams aswell.
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Post by After Minutes on Aug 14, 2020 16:08:24 GMT -5
I define a big event as a) influencers outside of music critics/reactors/etc talking about it or b) my grandma and my neighbour's baby sister knowing the song. A song cannot reach the latter in a week, and for the prior it has to have something "special" about it, like Gooba which inspired many, many parodies and re-launched 6ix9ine into the public concious for those fifteen minutes of fame, while laso making it break the record for most-watched rap music video within the first 24 hours (which WAP couldn't break). Highest in the Room on the other hand literally debuted with almost twice the amount of streams of WAP and kept the numbers high throughout the week so saying that it wasn't big just isn't true, especially since it was also discussed because of Travis' breakup with Kylie Jenner. I am not saying that WAP won't be as big as those songs in some time, but saying that it is the biggest event since OTR is just plain wrong. However, I do hope that it will reach those levels, since I really enjoy the song. First of all, circles outside of music have been talking about this song which has gained traction such as in politics. For example, Mr Ben "Wet Ass P-Word" Shapiro making a fool of himself once again for being offended by the song. Second of all, WAP has surpassed HITR in on demand streaming according to the HDD charts (HITR 47m vs WAP 51m). Spotify numbers aren't all that's considered. It is also looking to surpass HITR on US YouTube streams aswell. The backlash against those comments is mostly from people that usually talk about such things. If some people will keep repeating them, I can see the song reaching more and more people though. I'm not saying that WAP's numbers are bad, am I? They're great, and since they are so similar to what HITR was doing, that song was massive too, just, because of how long it has been out, it gained more traction. I'm looking not only at spotify, that was really just an example that I used mostly because the numbers are made public.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Aug 14, 2020 18:12:59 GMT -5
No way highest in the room was bigger either. I define a big event as a) influencers outside of music critics/reactors/etc talking about it or b) my grandma and my neighbour's baby sister knowing the song. A song cannot reach the latter in a week, and for the prior it has to have something "special" about it, like Gooba which inspired many, many parodies and re-launched 6ix9ine into the public concious for those fifteen minutes of fame, while laso making it break the record for most-watched rap music video within the first 24 hours (which WAP couldn't break). Highest in the Room on the other hand literally debuted with almost twice the amount of streams of WAP and kept the numbers high throughout the week so saying that it wasn't big just isn't true, especially since it was also discussed because of Travis' breakup with Kylie Jenner. I am not saying that WAP won't be as big as those songs in some time, but saying that it is the biggest event since OTR is just plain wrong. However, I do hope that it will reach those levels, since I really enjoy the song. WAP started a whole discourse on women and sexuality in music in a matter of 24 hours. Athletes, bloggers, politicians, conservatives, artists etc. all came together over one song by two women. IT IS AN EVENT. As the discussion continued so did the strength of the song on both the sales and streaming metric. In its 7th day it has reached its highest streaming numbers both in the US and Globally due to the impact of these talks. Get Travis off that pedestal, please. People praised the video and said it "might" be about Kylie, but what else was centered around the song that made it an event?
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Post by After Minutes on Aug 14, 2020 19:10:41 GMT -5
I define a big event as a) influencers outside of music critics/reactors/etc talking about it or b) my grandma and my neighbour's baby sister knowing the song. A song cannot reach the latter in a week, and for the prior it has to have something "special" about it, like Gooba which inspired many, many parodies and re-launched 6ix9ine into the public concious for those fifteen minutes of fame, while laso making it break the record for most-watched rap music video within the first 24 hours (which WAP couldn't break). Highest in the Room on the other hand literally debuted with almost twice the amount of streams of WAP and kept the numbers high throughout the week so saying that it wasn't big just isn't true, especially since it was also discussed because of Travis' breakup with Kylie Jenner. I am not saying that WAP won't be as big as those songs in some time, but saying that it is the biggest event since OTR is just plain wrong. However, I do hope that it will reach those levels, since I really enjoy the song. WAP started a whole discourse on women and sexuality in music in a matter of 24 hours. Athletes, bloggers, politicians, conservatives, artists etc. all came together over one song by two women. IT IS AN EVENT. As the discussion continued so did the strength of the song on both the sales and streaming metric. In its 7th day it has reached its highest streaming numbers both in the US and Globally due to the impact of these talks. Get Travis off that pedestal, please. People praised the video and said it "might" be about Kylie, but what else was centered around the song that made it an event? It might just be a matter of perspective since I live in Europe, but HITR in general made people here talk about the art of music videos in rap music, since, at least where I live, they weren't really ever that impressive. Travis is one of, if not the most popular american rapper here, so he obviously influenced many people, including our artists. WAP is probably doing a similar thing overseas since that video is also really interesting, but I just don't see it here. The discussion about sexuality and women in rap has been going on for a while on the other hand, but this may just be some sort of pinnacle for it I guess. But reallym now with the backlash against that post I am honestly starting to think that it may just be that I'm European and I just don't get some things
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Post by gabe on Aug 14, 2020 19:32:47 GMT -5
We’re entering Autumn, the season most people associate “Circles” with. Hopefully this means it will continue to be immortal in the top 20. we're still in the first half of august..
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Post by chartfreak on Aug 14, 2020 19:59:30 GMT -5
Spotify 08/10/20 1( =) Cardi B - WAP 2,735,926 ( +33,678) 2( =) DaBaby - ROCKSTAR 1,158,289 ( -6,656) 3( =) Juice WRLD - Wishing Well 1,117,708 ( -12,319) 4( =) Juice WRLD - Smile 1,066,994 ( -45,529) 5( =) Juice WRLD - Come & Go 1,011,192 ( -18,971) 6( =) Jack Harlow - WHATS POPPIN Remix 985,364 ( +1,654) 7( =) Pop Smoke - For the Night 908,722 ( -18,971) 8( =) Harry Styles - Watermelon Sugar 837,737 ( -15,732) 9( =) Pop Smoke - Mood Swings 824,138 ( -735) 10( =) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 812,013 ( -4,796) Others: 11( =) Lil Mosey - Blueberry Faygo 790,979 ( -713) 12( =) Pop Smoke - The Woo 714,214 ( -22,374) 13( +2) Jawsh 365 - Savage Love 699,426 ( -2,256) 14( +10) 24kGoldn - Mood 698,875 ( +113,074) 15( -1) Taylor Swift - exile 687,129 ( -20,562) 16( -3) Taylor Swift - cardigan 678,544 ( -43,513) 18( -1) Billie Eilish - my future 617,385 ( -12,449) 19( =) StaySolidRocky - Party Girl 613,182 ( -4,042) 21( +1) SAINt JHN - Roses (Imanbek Remix) 601,565 ( +2,744) 21( -1) DJ Khaled - POPSTAR 599,774 ( -5,761) 24( -1) Chris Brown - Go Crazy 586,291 ( -5,878) 25( =) DJ Khaled - GREECE 546,565 ( -7,571) 28( -2) Lil Baby - We Paid 528,150 ( -8,019) 29( +1) powfu - death bed 521,459 ( -935) 30( -1) Gunna - DOLLAZ ON YA HEAD 502,682 ( -23,747) 34( +1) Kane Brown - Be Like That 473,251 ( -192) 35( -1) Machine Gun Kelly - my ex's best friend 468,860 ( -6,826) 36( -3) Rod Wave - Rags2Riches 2 466,641 ( -12,341) 37( =) Rod Wave - Rags2Riches 465,894 ( -2,485) 41( -5) J. Balvin - UN DIA (ONE DAY) 449,069 ( -23,392) 51( +5) Conan Gray - Heather 430,233 ( +13,419) 53( -1) Saweetie - Tap In 417,742 ( -10,218) 55( =) Jack Harlow - WHATS POPPIN 415,805 ( -1,539) 57( +4) BØRNS - Electric Love 408,129 ( +5,370) 59( +1) Lewis Capaldi - Before You Go 404,800 ( -2,166) 61( -8) iann dior - Prospect 397,627 ( -30,182) 62( +1) Pop Smoke - Got It On Me 397,109 ( -1,448) 65( +2) Megan Thee Stallion - Girls in the Hood 390,631 ( +758) 70( +1) Lil Baby - The Bigger Picture 377,525 ( -1,833) 72( =) Topic - Breaking Me 372,012 ( -6,835) 73( +4) Curtis Waters - Stunnin' 369,677 ( +3,842) 74( -1) Dua Lipa - Break My Heart 367,193 ( -6,159) 76( -2) Wallows - Are You Bored Yet? 365,629 ( -5,425) 77( -2) NLE Choppa - Narrow Road 352,128 ( -17,539) 94( +5) Tate McRae - you broke me first 312,157 ( +6,709) 95( -6) Maroon 5 - Nobody's Love 311,607 ( -17,931) 98( +17) NextYoungin - 3 Musketeers 306,396 ( +17,631) 99( +1) Kendrick Lamar - Money Trees 306,303 ( +1,902) 102( -8) DaBaby - BLIND 305,103 ( -13,151) 107( -3) Money Man - 24 300,372 ( -752) 109( +9) Labrinth - Still Don't Know My Name 297,223 ( +10,829) 140( +8) Joel Corry - Head & Heart 255,743 ( +4,204) I'm a little confused. Is this really from Aug. 10. Today is 8/14, yet I don't see the other days? Was it not posted, or am I going crazy? Guess, i'm looking for figures for 8/13, but looks like it was not posted.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 14, 2020 22:22:27 GMT -5
Spotify 08/10/20 1( =) Cardi B - WAP 2,735,926 ( +33,678) 2( =) DaBaby - ROCKSTAR 1,158,289 ( -6,656) 3( =) Juice WRLD - Wishing Well 1,117,708 ( -12,319) 4( =) Juice WRLD - Smile 1,066,994 ( -45,529) 5( =) Juice WRLD - Come & Go 1,011,192 ( -18,971) 6( =) Jack Harlow - WHATS POPPIN Remix 985,364 ( +1,654) 7( =) Pop Smoke - For the Night 908,722 ( -18,971) 8( =) Harry Styles - Watermelon Sugar 837,737 ( -15,732) 9( =) Pop Smoke - Mood Swings 824,138 ( -735) 10( =) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 812,013 ( -4,796) Others: 11( =) Lil Mosey - Blueberry Faygo 790,979 ( -713) 12( =) Pop Smoke - The Woo 714,214 ( -22,374) 13( +2) Jawsh 365 - Savage Love 699,426 ( -2,256) 14( +10) 24kGoldn - Mood 698,875 ( +113,074) 15( -1) Taylor Swift - exile 687,129 ( -20,562) 16( -3) Taylor Swift - cardigan 678,544 ( -43,513) 18( -1) Billie Eilish - my future 617,385 ( -12,449) 19( =) StaySolidRocky - Party Girl 613,182 ( -4,042) 21( +1) SAINt JHN - Roses (Imanbek Remix) 601,565 ( +2,744) 21( -1) DJ Khaled - POPSTAR 599,774 ( -5,761) 24( -1) Chris Brown - Go Crazy 586,291 ( -5,878) 25( =) DJ Khaled - GREECE 546,565 ( -7,571) 28( -2) Lil Baby - We Paid 528,150 ( -8,019) 29( +1) powfu - death bed 521,459 ( -935) 30( -1) Gunna - DOLLAZ ON YA HEAD 502,682 ( -23,747) 34( +1) Kane Brown - Be Like That 473,251 ( -192) 35( -1) Machine Gun Kelly - my ex's best friend 468,860 ( -6,826) 36( -3) Rod Wave - Rags2Riches 2 466,641 ( -12,341) 37( =) Rod Wave - Rags2Riches 465,894 ( -2,485) 41( -5) J. Balvin - UN DIA (ONE DAY) 449,069 ( -23,392) 51( +5) Conan Gray - Heather 430,233 ( +13,419) 53( -1) Saweetie - Tap In 417,742 ( -10,218) 55( =) Jack Harlow - WHATS POPPIN 415,805 ( -1,539) 57( +4) BØRNS - Electric Love 408,129 ( +5,370) 59( +1) Lewis Capaldi - Before You Go 404,800 ( -2,166) 61( -8) iann dior - Prospect 397,627 ( -30,182) 62( +1) Pop Smoke - Got It On Me 397,109 ( -1,448) 65( +2) Megan Thee Stallion - Girls in the Hood 390,631 ( +758) 70( +1) Lil Baby - The Bigger Picture 377,525 ( -1,833) 72( =) Topic - Breaking Me 372,012 ( -6,835) 73( +4) Curtis Waters - Stunnin' 369,677 ( +3,842) 74( -1) Dua Lipa - Break My Heart 367,193 ( -6,159) 76( -2) Wallows - Are You Bored Yet? 365,629 ( -5,425) 77( -2) NLE Choppa - Narrow Road 352,128 ( -17,539) 94( +5) Tate McRae - you broke me first 312,157 ( +6,709) 95( -6) Maroon 5 - Nobody's Love 311,607 ( -17,931) 98( +17) NextYoungin - 3 Musketeers 306,396 ( +17,631) 99( +1) Kendrick Lamar - Money Trees 306,303 ( +1,902) 102( -8) DaBaby - BLIND 305,103 ( -13,151) 107( -3) Money Man - 24 300,372 ( -752) 109( +9) Labrinth - Still Don't Know My Name 297,223 ( +10,829) 140( +8) Joel Corry - Head & Heart 255,743 ( +4,204) I'm a little confused. Is this really from Aug. 10. Today is 8/14, yet I don't see the other days? Was it not posted, or am I going crazy? Guess, i'm looking for figures for 8/13, but looks like it was not posted. Ignore the date lmao. Sometimes I forget to change the date.
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Post by chartfreak on Aug 14, 2020 22:29:21 GMT -5
[I'm a little confused. Is this really from Aug. 10. Today is 8/14, yet I don't see the other days? Was it not posted, or am I going crazy? Guess, i'm looking for figures for 8/13, but looks like it was not posted. [/quote]Ignore the date lmao. Sometimes I forget to change the date.[/quote]
So was that 8/12 or 8/13? Thanks.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Aug 14, 2020 22:49:12 GMT -5
WAP started a whole discourse on women and sexuality in music in a matter of 24 hours. Athletes, bloggers, politicians, conservatives, artists etc. all came together over one song by two women. IT IS AN EVENT. As the discussion continued so did the strength of the song on both the sales and streaming metric. In its 7th day it has reached its highest streaming numbers both in the US and Globally due to the impact of these talks. Get Travis off that pedestal, please. People praised the video and said it "might" be about Kylie, but what else was centered around the song that made it an event? It might just be a matter of perspective since I live in Europe, but HITR in general made people here talk about the art of music videos in rap music, since, at least where I live, they weren't really ever that impressive. Travis is one of, if not the most popular american rapper here, so he obviously influenced many people, including our artists. WAP is probably doing a similar thing overseas since that video is also really interesting, but I just don't see it here. The discussion about sexuality and women in rap has been going on for a while on the other hand, but this may just be some sort of pinnacle for it I guess. But reallym now with the backlash against that post I am honestly starting to think that it may just be that I'm European and I just don't get some things It was a Dave Meyers video not a Johannas Vermeer painting. A lot of templates in that video can be seen across all of the videos he did for Kendrick during the .DAMN era and even Travis’ own Sicko Mode. You may also want to start prefacing certain discussions that your viewpoint is from a European residence because some of this could’ve been avoided earlier. But honestly, I wouldn’t even buy that excuse now because Dizzee Rascal was pulling this a decade earlier.
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Post by Joe1240 on Aug 14, 2020 23:22:24 GMT -5
Taylor’s song “Cardigan” is doing just fine. The song is doing great with no promotion and mainly streaming from us Swifties and purchases on ITunes/Target, This era is a success no matter what. While Rep And Lover got minimal Critical Acclaim, This Album has massive Critical Acclaim and is a major contender for AOTY at the Grammys. This album is like Beyoncé’s 2013 Surprise release, the songs are intended for major chart placements like “Me!” And “You Need To Calm Down”. The intention this era is different than her past eras and so far it is done far better on the charts than anyone expected and in that way it is considered a major win for Taylor on this project.
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Post by 85la on Aug 15, 2020 1:03:18 GMT -5
Yeah, and though the album is definitely more folk-skewed, it was marketed and intended as a full-blown, mainstream studio release, so let's not pretend like this is some completely obscure, indie side-project, and as mentioned, there have been other more acoustic, folky-type songs that have had better staying power (though many of them, such as Shallow, take a while to build up, so it's still early and Cardigan might eventually follow that route), but I do think it's completely fair to say that so far, as far as #1 debuts go (like many others this year), it's not holding up as well as could be desired. It was marketed as mainstream and intended as a full-blow studio release? Bruh. The surprise album that was dropped in hours without notice or any kind of advanced promotion? Mainstream? What is "mainstream" about this album other than Taylor being the artist? Any and every review speaks of the shift in style and sound of the album and how it largely leans alternative/indie. It is in no way crafted for mainstream success in the way Lover was and sounds nothing like/is the antethisis of everything that is popular atm. You must be listening to a completely different album. Interesting the only comparison you have to draw a parallel to is "Shallow", a song that was a phenomenon all its own, backed by a huge push via the film and music industry, award season buzz, and mumerings of an alleged romance between its artists. Even still "Shallow", with all its success, crawled up radio and failed to hit big on pop peaking just within the top 20 at #18 (right where "Cardigan" is now,funnily enough). Not to mention "Cardigan" isn't backed by a hugely successful film and blockbuster, consistent promotional train. Let's not even mention the fact that "Cardigan" outpeaked every single from Lover despite that and streaming for Folklore has vastly been more stable and consistent than her last release as well despite this all. The fact that a song like "Cardigan" hit #1 to start with and Taylor brought a folk album to the summit of the yearly album sales chart 15 years into her career after two weeks is a testament to her success, yet some try to paint it is a sign of her struggling/under-performance. Y'all crack me up. So, as is shown, yes, this was ABSOLUTELY a full-blown, mainstream, fully-promoted studio release. She uses the exact words, "I will be releasing my 8th STUDIO album," and in 16 different physical versions nonetheless, which you do not do for a side project. The fact that it was announced last minute is immaterial nowadays, as many, many album releases are announced last minute. It was all over social media, the news, entertainment sites, etc., it was inescapable that this album was out and it got a full rollout. And yes, I already mentioned that it's heavily folk-leaning, but an album can absolutely be non-pure pop and have other genre leanings but still be considered a mainstream release, and it's not like it's the Fleet Foxes or Leonard Cohen or anything, and many (but not all) the songs still have pretty strong pop undergirdings, including especially Cardigan, and is still classically Taylor. I mentioned Shallow just as an example, there are others, and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I don't like the album or that it's underperforming or anything or that Cardigan is a flop per se, but it was designated as the lead single, had a video right away, and is being pushed to major radio formats, and since IT DID debut at number one, that by default set a high bar for itself, so comparing it against OTHER #1 DEBUTS, it is disappointing to see it drop to possibly the 20s already by its third week. But like I said, it is early and it still could rebound, so I don't know why YOU ALL have to come at me so strong. Like, people complain about us trying to discredit Taylor when it's really not discrediting but just bringing up small criticisms about how things aren't quite as they used to be with her or that she's slipping in one particular instance, so it really is funny how stans go to great lengths to silence all criticisms and say they have absolutely no merit and to paint the picture that everything is completely pristine and stellar with her.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Aug 15, 2020 7:19:35 GMT -5
^One great opportunity for Taylor as well as other artists to get a boost for their songs will be to perform at the BBMAs in just under two months. I can definitely see her perform Cardigan the way she performed Lover at the AMAs last year. Of course, performing in other television shows, such as the late night ones or SNL is also a good option.
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Post by GP on Aug 15, 2020 8:11:30 GMT -5
Sometimes I don't believe I'm actually reading some of the comments on these chart threads, these are truly another beast like..
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Post by kierz7 on Aug 15, 2020 8:20:19 GMT -5
It was marketed as mainstream and intended as a full-blow studio release? Bruh. The surprise album that was dropped in hours without notice or any kind of advanced promotion? Mainstream? What is "mainstream" about this album other than Taylor being the artist? Any and every review speaks of the shift in style and sound of the album and how it largely leans alternative/indie. It is in no way crafted for mainstream success in the way Lover was and sounds nothing like/is the antethisis of everything that is popular atm. You must be listening to a completely different album. Interesting the only comparison you have to draw a parallel to is "Shallow", a song that was a phenomenon all its own, backed by a huge push via the film and music industry, award season buzz, and mumerings of an alleged romance between its artists. Even still "Shallow", with all its success, crawled up radio and failed to hit big on pop peaking just within the top 20 at #18 (right where "Cardigan" is now,funnily enough). Not to mention "Cardigan" isn't backed by a hugely successful film and blockbuster, consistent promotional train. Let's not even mention the fact that "Cardigan" outpeaked every single from Lover despite that and streaming for Folklore has vastly been more stable and consistent than her last release as well despite this all. The fact that a song like "Cardigan" hit #1 to start with and Taylor brought a folk album to the summit of the yearly album sales chart 15 years into her career after two weeks is a testament to her success, yet some try to paint it is a sign of her struggling/under-performance. Y'all crack me up. So, as is shown, yes, this was ABSOLUTELY a full-blown, mainstream, fully-promoted studio release. She uses the exact words, "I will be releasing my 8th STUDIO album," and in 16 different physical versions nonetheless, which you do not do for a side project. The fact that it was announced last minute is immaterial nowadays, as many, many album releases are announced last minute. It was all over social media, the news, entertainment sites, etc., it was inescapable that this album was out and it got a full rollout. And yes, I already mentioned that it's heavily folk-leaning, but an album can absolutely be non-pure pop and have other genre leanings but still be considered a mainstream release, and it's not like it's the Fleet Foxes or Leonard Cohen or anything, and many (but not all) the songs still have pretty strong pop undergirdings, including especially Cardigan, and is still classically Taylor. I mentioned Shallow just as an example, there are others, and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I don't like the album or that it's underperforming or anything or that Cardigan is a flop per se, but it was designated as the lead single, had a video right away, and is being pushed to major radio formats, and since IT DID debut at number one, that by default set a high bar for itself, so comparing it against OTHER #1 DEBUTS, it is disappointing to see it drop to possibly the 20s already by its third week. But like I said, it is early and it still could rebound, so I don't know why YOU ALL have to come at me so strong. Like, people complain about us trying to discredit Taylor when it's really not discrediting but just bringing up small criticisms about how things aren't quite as they used to be with her or that she's slipping in one particular instance, so it really is funny how stans go to great lengths to silence all criticisms and say they have absolutely no merit and to paint the picture that everything is completely pristine and stellar with her. 👏🏿 👏🏿 👏🏿
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Aug 15, 2020 8:34:56 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2020/08/15
1(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 139.94(-0.40) 2(+1) Harry Styles - Watermelon Sugar 121.85(+0.10) 3(-1) DaBaby - ROCKSTAR (feat. Roddy Ricch) 121.68(-0.32) 4(=) Harry Styles - Adore You 120.17(-0.56) 5(=) Dua Lipa - Break My Heart 115.27(-0.52) 6(+1) Lewis Capaldi - Before You Go 107.36(+0.40) 7(-1) SAINt JHN - Roses (Imanbek Remix) 107.10(+0.01) 8(=) Post Malone - Circles 91.19(+0.03) 9(=) Dua Lipa - Don't Start Now 79.22(-0.29) 10(+1) Gabby Barrett - I Hope (feat. Charlie Puth) 76.64(+0.54)
12(+1) Chris Brown & Young Thug - Go Crazy 69.64(+1.62)
15(+1) Maddie & Tae - Die From A Broken Heart 63.93(+0.87)
20(+2) Jawsh 685 X Jason Derulo - Savage Love (Laxed-Siren Beat) 54.03(+1.04) 34(=) DJ Khaled - POPSTAR (feat. Drake) 42.16(+0.78) 35(+1) Luke Combs - Lovin' on You 41.48(+0.78)
45(+2) Saweetie - Tap In 33.11(+0.71)
46(+3) Tim McGraw - I Called Mama 32.64(+0.54)
47(+3) Megan Thee Stallion - Girls in the Hood 32.45(+0.65) 52(+4) Lee Brice - One of Them Girls 30.13(+0.51)
61(+4) Juice WRLD & Marshmello - Come & Go 27.57(+0.79)
68(+1) Pop Smoke - The Woo (feat. 50 Cent & Roddy Ricch) 25.92(+0.62)
85(+4) Blake Shelton - Happy Anywhere (feat. Gwen Stefani) 19.89(+0.60) 96(-20) Cardi B - WAP (feat. Megan Thee Stallion) 17.90(-5.35)
99(+3) J Balvin, Dua Lipa, Bad Bunny & Tainy - UN DIA (ONE DAY) 17.73(+0.63) 100(+5) Mustard & Roddy Ricch - Ballin’ 17.68(+0.98)
-(-) Tamar Braxton - Crazy Kind Of Love 9.15(+0.53) -(-) Miley Cyrus - Midnight Sky 6.57(-)
-(-) Feid & Justin Quiles - Porfa 5.87(+0.75)
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Post by korbel16 on Aug 15, 2020 10:04:59 GMT -5
Woah is this true? is this song going to beat thank u next’s streaming record for women?
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Post by strongerq on Aug 15, 2020 10:32:19 GMT -5
Woah is this true? is this song going to beat thank u next’s streaming record for women? Well the number is correct. I think the user didn't see the date correctly because this is for all 7 days (7th-13th). The number includes UGC which was changed in Jan 2020 regarding its counting on Billboard Hot 100. Since YouTube views are filtered out at high rate, Talk Of The Charts say ~60% count, so: 60% out of YouTube = 34.56 + 51.66 Audio streams (HitsDD) = 86.22M. 'Thank u, next' had 93.8M (with the old rule). So depends on how many views are counted from YouTube. If the old rule was still around, 'WAP' would have had 109M streams (only behund 'In My Feelings' and multiple weeks from 'Old Town Road'). Here are Global and US:
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Post by GP on Aug 15, 2020 10:44:52 GMT -5
Lil Nas X still doing really well in the US Youtube huh
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Post by strongerq on Aug 15, 2020 11:00:33 GMT -5
Lil Nas X still doing really well in the US Youtube huh I had selected last 28 days so those numbers are from 17-July -- 13-August. So the numbers for Rodeo in the US aren't that impressive.
In the last 28 days OTR has 14.2M, Panini has 6.29M & Rodeo 4.76M. --- Roar by Katy has 6.57M streams in the last 28 days in the US on YouTube for comparison ---
Past 7 days: OTR has 3.34M, Panini has 1.56M & Rodeo has 1.14M. Which isn't bad by any means, but it isn't anything to brag about either.
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Post by GP on Aug 15, 2020 11:10:38 GMT -5
Lil Nas X still doing really well in the US Youtube huh I had selected last 28 days so those numbers are from 17-July -- 13-August. So the numbers for Rodeo in the US aren't that impressive.
In the last 28 days OTR has 14.2M, Panini has 6.29M & Rodeo 4.76M. --- Roar by Katy has 6.57M streams in the last 28 days in the US on YouTube for comparison ---
Past 7 days: OTR has 3.34M, Panini has 1.56M & Rodeo has 1.14M. Which isn't bad by any means, but it isn't anything to brag about either.
True. Roar is such a classic
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 15, 2020 12:01:47 GMT -5
Sometimes I don't believe I'm actually reading some of the comments on these chart threads, these are truly another beast like.. Sometimes I don't believe how low tech Pulse Members are - continually quoting large blocks over and over - only to add one or two meaningless lines... But maybe it's a strategy to make threads look longer. Could Harry's label ask radio stations to drop AY and give some out of that outdated song's airplay to WS? Just a one-week break from BL's radio dominance. Realistically, what is the next #1 radio song? Lewis or M5? LOL
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Post by rainygirl on Aug 15, 2020 15:31:14 GMT -5
I’m perplexed by the faux moral outrage surrounding WAP. It’s laughable while underscoring how threatened some men still are by a woman owning her sexuality . In 2020!!!! We still want to shame women who want to chase dick and talk about their WAPs. Men brag about their boners and openly grab themselves even in public, but heaven forbid a woman says she’s wet 😂😻.
It’s only a FUN song , relax and enjoy . Or skip it and listen to something else 😘
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Post by fhas on Aug 15, 2020 16:40:48 GMT -5
strongerq 'Thank u, next' had 93.8M (with the old rule). So depends on how many views are counted from YouTube. If the old rule was still around, 'WAP' would have had 109M streams (only behund 'In My Feelings' and multiple weeks from 'Old Town Road').Also, WAP is challenging another Ari record: most on-demand audio streams by a female artist. 7 rings peaked with 54.6M (January 18-24, 2019).
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Post by rainygirl on Aug 15, 2020 16:44:22 GMT -5
strongerq 'Thank u, next' had 93.8M (with the old rule). So depends on how many views are counted from YouTube. If the old rule was still around, 'WAP' would have had 109M streams (only behund 'In My Feelings' and multiple weeks from 'Old Town Road').Also, WAP is challenging another Ari record: most on-demand audio streams by a female artist. 7 rings peaked with 54.6M (January 18-24, 2019). thanks for that nugget
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Post by spicymapping on Aug 15, 2020 22:04:01 GMT -5
preds woo
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Post by tuna on Aug 15, 2020 22:09:38 GMT -5
Blinding Lights stable hit omg
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Post by cedric on Aug 15, 2020 22:10:37 GMT -5
8/22 predictions
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