Billboard Hot 100: 09/12/2020

[iggyamo]

Sept 8, 2020 10:01:49 GMT -5 Mathgeek said:

Their fans raised over 50k to spread across this country to buy this song and they’ve been distributing money since the song started pre-ordering.

They are highly organized and I’ve never seen anything like this.

It’s more organized than the US government

[lurker2]

I'm very annoyed at this (at least, as annoyed as I can be about charts lol), but this is seriously impressive. Congrats to BTS and ARMY.

[thegreatdivine]

Acts with the most weeks in the top 10 in 2020 (so far):

Roddy Ricch - 44 weeks
Drake - 33 weeks
The Weeknd - 31 weeks
DaBaby - 29 weeks
Post Malone - 23 weeks
Justin Bieber - 22 weeks
Dua Lipa - 20 weeks
Quavo - 19 weeks
Megan Thee Stallion - 18 weeks
Future - 17 weeks
Harry Styles - 16 weeks
Doja Cat - 16 weeks
Beyoncè - 14 weeks
Saint Jhn - 13 weeks
Jack Harlow - 11 weeks
Tory Lanez - 10 weeks
Lil Wayne - 10 weeks
Juice WRLD - 8 weeks
Jawsh 685 - 6 weeks
Jason Derulo - 6 weeks
Ariana Grande - 5 weeks
Lady Gaga - 5 weeks
Cardi B - 4 weeks
Lil Mosey - 4 weeks
Lil Baby - 4 weeks
Taylor Swift - 4 weeks
Lil Durk - 3 weeks
Lewis Capaldi - 3 weeks
Nicki Minaj - 3 weeks
BTS - 3 weeks
Lil Uzi Vert - 3 weeks
Marshmello - 3 weeks
Chris Brown - 3 weeks
Young Thug - 3 weeks
6ix9ine - 2 weeks
DJ Khaled - 2 weeks
Eminem - 1 week
Playboi Carti - 1 week
Travis Scott - 1 week
Kid Cudi - 1 week
Billie Eilish - 1 week
Gabby Barrett - 1 week
Morgan Wallen - 1 week
42 Dugg - 1 week
Halsey - 1 week
Polo G - 1 week
The Kid Laroi - 1 week

[fhas]

According to the Hot 100 formula, 162k sales > 41M streams & 8.5M airplay.

[renfield75]

I don't understand being mad about it but BTS holding at #1 is surprising. As others have pointed out all of their other previous singles had huge falls after their debut. If the Army could keep buying this much in the second week to keep their songs afloat it seems like they would have done it before now, but I guess having that number one made them more focused. The multiple discounted versions were smart, congrats to BTS and their fans for playing the game well and getting that second week on top. Since "Dynamite" is getting stronger radio and streaming support than their previous singles it will be interesting to see what kind of longevity it ultimately has. Maybe on the level of "Rain On Me"?

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I also don't think ya'll can keep blaming the stans for Dynamite's continued success. It's going to trickle over to the 'general' population if it hasn't already (and I'd say it has). I wouldn't have given the song any mind except I have been hearing it on the radio and the VMA performance kind of sealed the deal that it's a damn catchy song. Unlike their previous singles, Dynamite isn't going to exist in a bubble.

Speaking of multiple copies of a single, I do wonder how many people bought multiples of Candle in the Wind. I remember back when it first came out, my mom bought a cassette single for the car and later bought the CD single because it was $1.99 and available at the front counter of a shop (not music store) she frequently went into. She wasn't a music collector in any sense of the term but for convenience she had several copies across two formats.

[Verisimilitude]

Sept 8, 2020 11:12:11 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

I also don't think ya'll can keep blaming the stans for Dynamite's continued success. It's going to trickle over to the 'general' population if it hasn't already (and I'd say it has). I wouldn't have given the song any mind except I have been hearing it on the radio and the VMA performance kind of sealed the deal that it's a damn catchy song. Unlike their previous singles, Dynamite isn't going to exist in a bubble.

Speaking of multiple copies of a single, I do wonder how many people bought multiples of Candle in the Wind. I remember back when it first came out, my mom bought a cassette single for the car and later bought the CD single because it was $1.99 and available at the front counter of a shop (not music store) she frequently went into. She wasn't a music collector in any sense of the term but for convenience she had several copies across two formats.

It's sold over 8M copies tracked by Soundscan and 11M in total in the US because it was sold in many places that didn't typically sell music. I noticed that even in Canada, it sold 1.1M in 1997 tracked by Nielsen and 1.7M in total that year. Probably due to people buying multiple copies and it being sold in bookstores, coffee shops, and supermarkets.

[strongerq]

Seeing the dedication from BTS fans over and over again single after single, it begs the question: Which artists have had dedicated fanbases to this degree ?

I am talking in the sense of fans being almost obsessed with the commercial performance and every metric regarding the artists albums/singles. Not about fans being obsessed with idolizing the artist.

[ddlz]

Sept 8, 2020 10:44:03 GMT -5 fhas said:

According to the Hot 100 formula, 162k sales > 41M streams & 8.5M airplay.

And some in here will still pretend like they don't understand why some chart watchers are upset. This is beyond a joke. 

[legendtingz]

Don’t understand the bitterness when BTS has done nothing new that other artists have never done before, the only difference is that they have a huge, dedicated fanbase that actually consumes their music. Would be interesting to see their 3rd week performance, though.

[ddlz]

I try to give them the benefit of doubt, but they make it sooooo hard. It's time to start calling Billboard anti hip-hop and anti-black.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Sept 8, 2020 11:38:38 GMT -5 ddlz said:

I try to give them the benefit of doubt, but they make it sooooo hard. It's time to start calling Billboard anti hip-hop and anti-black.

I...dont know if this is a joke or not

[Mayman]

Don't feed into that mess, he's just looking for reactions.

[strongerq]

Sept 8, 2020 11:37:39 GMT -5 legendtingz said:

Don’t understand the bitterness when BTS has done nothing new that other artists have never done before, the only difference is that they have a huge, dedicated fanbase that actually consumes their music. Would be interesting to see their 3rd week performance, though.

Here on Pulse there are 5 times more comments like this saying that people are hating on BTS, than there are actual comments hating on BTS.

Almost every comment is saying how the system is a bit flawed. BTS just happens to be the "target" this week. Same discussions happened for The Weeknd, Travis Scott, Ariana/Justin, 6ix9ine/Nicki, Gaga/Ariana, Taylor (although this was a bit toned down) etc.

[renfield75]

EDIT Mayman is right, I'm not gonna give that a reaction.

[Crimsonio]

Billboard should be shut down for this SCANDAL

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

Sept 8, 2020 11:35:13 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Seeing the dedication from BTS fans over and over again single after single, it begs the question: Which artists have had dedicated fanbases to this degree ?

I am talking in the sense of fans being almost obsessed with the commercial performance and every metric regarding the artists albums/singles. Not about fans being obsessed with idolizing the artist.

Definitely the Barbz (Nicki Minaj fans), though as soon as the tracking week is over they stop caring, hence the dramatic falls.

Other fanbases that come to mind are the Swifties and Arianators. One might say Ariana's frontloaded releases only started post-sweetener, but remember that all her album lead singles have debuted in the top 10, including the later-demoted-as-bonus-track "Focus".

[iggyamo]

Sept 8, 2020 11:38:38 GMT -5 ddlz said:

I try to give them the benefit of doubt, but they make it sooooo hard. It's time to start calling Billboard anti hip-hop and anti-black.

Billboard does have some problems with that, but BTS staying number 1 primarily due to mass buying by stans is not one of them. Especially when R&B and hip hop are still considered one genre.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Omg we're going to end up having these arguments and rants over these BTS stans weekly, can we just accept their tactics and move on???

[ddlz]

Anti-hip-hop!

Anti-black!

Anti-streaming!

[legendtingz]

Sept 8, 2020 11:45:16 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Sept 8, 2020 11:37:39 GMT -5 legendtingz said:

Don’t understand the bitterness when BTS has done nothing new that other artists have never done before, the only difference is that they have a huge, dedicated fanbase that actually consumes their music. Would be interesting to see their 3rd week performance, though.

Here on Pulse there are 5 times more comments like this saying that people are hating on BTS, than there are actual comments hating on BTS.

Almost every comment is saying how the system is a bit flawed. BTS just happens to be the "target" this week. Same discussions happened for The Weeknd, Travis Scott, Ariana/Justin, 6ix9ine/Nicki, Gaga/Ariana, Taylor (although this was a bit toned down) etc.

Oh, I know. I’ve been a lurker since last year and has seen this kind of discussion over and over again. Just had to point out that having passionate fans does not diminish an artist’s success, although I do agree that the system is flawed.

[bigolefreak]

Sept 8, 2020 10:44:03 GMT -5 fhas said:

According to the Hot 100 formula, 162k sales > 41M streams & 8.5M airplay.

An extremley flawed system. Defund the Billboard Hot 100

[kimberly]

Sept 8, 2020 9:50:05 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

Sept 8, 2020 9:32:46 GMT -5 tasz said:

WAP should have been #1

At least WAP has done great outside of the US. Should stay at #1 in Canada this week, it's heading for a second week in the UK, it's #1 in Australia and #1 in New Zealand.

WAP has also been SMASHING in the US? You make it sound like it missed the Top 40 or something.

Sept 8, 2020 11:35:13 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Seeing the dedication from BTS fans over and over again single after single, it begs the question: Which artists have had dedicated fanbases to this degree ?

I am talking in the sense of fans being almost obsessed with the commercial performance and every metric regarding the artists albums/singles. Not about fans being obsessed with idolizing the artist.

BTS fans aren't necessarily more "dedicated" than the Barbz or Bey Hive or Arianators per se, but they have to fight extra hard to get their favorite artists some recognition stateside. 7 Asian men, who don't conform to the American ideals of masculinity, making pop/hyper-pop tunes (usually) in a foreign language. Not exactly what gets radio play or widespread streaming in the US. (And in Korea, as well: BTS is a group from outside of the 3 big "companies" that produce k-pop groups and did not get the media coverage and opportunities other groups are granted earlier on in their career. In this way, their underdog story is quite fascinating.)

Sept 8, 2020 12:49:23 GMT -5 bigolefreak said:

Sept 8, 2020 10:44:03 GMT -5 fhas said:

According to the Hot 100 formula, 162k sales > 41M streams & 8.5M airplay.

An extremley flawed system. Defund the Billboard Hot 100

This comment is idiotic. Defund the police and the prison industrial complex. You're making light of systemic racism, and for what?? 2 likes on Pulse? Pathetic.

Billboard is a company that sustains itself and you are contributing to that by discussing the Hot 100 on the internet. If you truly are not interested in their calculations, the option to stop caring about charts is right there.

[m450n]

Honestly, I expected WAP to be the #1 until like yesterday. I have accepted that Dynamite is #1, however the one thing I am annoyed about (and I would be annoyed if any other artist did this) is the fact they have 7 versions ALL discounted to 69 cents. I know they have a big fanbase so it's smart to capitalize off of it, but people can still criticize the technique.

I hope they really push it hard on radio for the next few weeks/months. I would like for a K-pop song to get big organically because that's when you know the GP is actively engaged and listening.

Hopefully in the next couple months Ice Cream and Dynamite will continue to be growing on radio and potentially get 2 K-pop songs in the top 10 simultaneously.

[Mathgeek]

The fans were more than prepared to buy Dynamite, and every version even if it were not discounted. It was nice that it’s .69 for each version but at the end of the day, they’d still buy it.

[annoymous1]

Too lazy to quote but kimberly My Intentions in saying that to the poster was to look at the bright side for WAP not going back to #1 in the US. I know it's doing well in this US streaming/radio couldn't overcome the sales gap Dynamite had.

[Music Fan]

I understand there's a chart formula that may not be as balanced, or weighted as it should be. But I really do not see this as being different as fans buying 4 copies of the same album that counts for the Hot 100, or an artist releasing a regular version, deluxe version and Target version and fans buying all three. While sure, the chart isn't so much about "popularity" this still is about "consumption." The digitla sales number, in my mind, is much more fair than bundles where songs and/or albums get tacked onto merchandise. Sure, BTS facilitated this with the amount of different versions of the song, but their fanbase consumed THE MUSIC up.

[borneoman]

but it's not fans buying 4 copies
they have an organisation collecting funds and then mass-buying thousands of hundreds of copies, that's 1000% illegal in my view

[HolidayGuy]

iggyamo- Billboard now has a separate R&B Songs chart, and it's had a rap chart for a number of years. The overall R&B/hip-hop chart does house both genres, though among all of those since ~2012, to me, R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay is one I look to most, as I don't like that the genre charts switched to follow the Hot 100 methodology (especially the inclusion of airplay from formats that aren't that particular genre).

[jodakyellow]

you know what? it is what it is. Congrats, BTS.