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Post by Push The Button on Aug 30, 2020 10:28:46 GMT -5
The biggest Pop stars of the early 2010s have all released albums in 2020 (sans Rihanna). Gaga seems to be the only one to truly keep her career on the burner. Taylor is still red hot as well (scoring pop hits since 2006 and really diving into pop star status in 2012). Still hard to believe she has been nearly 15 years without a true "flop" era. She was a massive Country Star in the early 2010s but she didn’t enter the level of Katy and Rihanna in the Pop world until the end of 2014, so I don’t consider her in the same graduating class. She has most definitely blown everybody out of the water in every genre, though. No contest.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 30, 2020 10:40:44 GMT -5
Taylor is still red hot as well (scoring pop hits since 2006 and really diving into pop star status in 2012). Still hard to believe she has been nearly 15 years without a true "flop" era. She was a massive Country Star in the early 2010s but she didn’t enter the level of Katy and Rihanna in the Pop world until the end of 2014, so I don’t consider her in the same graduating class. She has most definitely blown everybody out of the water in every genre, though. No contest. I would argue she was a massive pop star in 2012 when "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" and "I Knew You Were Trouble" were released as they were adding to two #1 pop radio hits previously, but to each their own.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 30, 2020 10:50:34 GMT -5
I would argue she was a country-crossover (re: pop) star before 2010 judging by the top ten and number one hits she already scored at that point.
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Post by wayneashleymusic on Aug 30, 2020 10:50:57 GMT -5
Without the incentive of a scheduled tour, I think it’s a tough road for Katy Perry to get the number 1 album.
But I say this with honesty... Smile is a GREAT album, and actually better than I could've imagined it would be. Full of boos, and it takes you on clear, but brief, journey. And best of all, Katy has improved tremendously as a vocalist since her Prism era, and this album shows her as a skilled and more wide-ranged singer. I suspect that even in a year full of great albums, Katy Perry will be on track for some overdue critical acclaim for Smile. I just hope she’s entered in the correct categories for the Grammy Ballot!!
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Post by chingaling on Aug 30, 2020 11:12:55 GMT -5
Without the incentive of a scheduled tour, I think it’s a tough road for Katy Perry to get the number 1 album. But I say this with honesty... Smile is a GREAT album, and actually better than I could've imagined it would be. Full of boos, and it takes you on clear, but brief, journey. And best of all, Katy has improved tremendously as a vocalist since her Prism era, and this album shows her as a skilled and more wide-ranged singer. I suspect that even in a year full of great albums, Katy Perry will be on track for some overdue critical acclaim for Smile. I just hope she’s entered in the correct categories for the Grammy Ballot!! Don't count on the critics... The album SMILE is currently with a 56% approval in Metacritic, which is not good. Don't expect Grammy nods neither... usually, popstars get nominations for their most commercially successful eras, not the flops. There are plenty of examples.
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Post by Push The Button on Aug 30, 2020 11:17:34 GMT -5
She was a massive Country Star in the early 2010s but she didn’t enter the level of Katy and Rihanna in the Pop world until the end of 2014, so I don’t consider her in the same graduating class. She has most definitely blown everybody out of the water in every genre, though. No contest. I would argue she was a massive pop star in 2012 when "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" and "I Knew You Were Trouble" were released as they were adding to two #1 pop radio hits previously, but to each their own. Sure, but she wasn’t getting four and five number ones from an album on the Pop charts like Rihanna and Katy. That didn’t happen until 1984. She was selling way more albums and concert tickets than them, but she was still in her crossover mode.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 30, 2020 11:22:09 GMT -5
Expanding on what I said earlier, we can strip away the genre labels and just crown Taylor as the biggest female act period among more-modern stars. :)
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Post by Push The Button on Aug 30, 2020 11:28:51 GMT -5
Expanding on what I said earlier, we can strip away the genre labels and just crown Taylor as the biggest female act period among more-modern stars. :) Definitely. I just said that of those big female Pop stars who dominated the early 10s (Katy, Rihanna, Kesha, Gaga), Gaga seems to have held on better than most.
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Post by Future Captain on Aug 30, 2020 13:44:39 GMT -5
Rihanna would probably do great numbers as well, but she seems to be in no hurry to release a new album anytime soon
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Aug 30, 2020 22:36:51 GMT -5
If Taylor doesn’t get 6 weeks at #1, I blame it on her team and the complete lack of promo. This is literally being handed to her and they haven’t come up with any major promo... take it while you can Tay Tay. Adele might just surprise release and steal all of your steam for all we know.
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Post by fridayteenage on Aug 30, 2020 23:38:38 GMT -5
If Taylor doesn’t get 6 weeks at #1, I blame it on her team and the complete lack of promo. This is literally being handed to her and they haven’t come up with any major promo... take it while you can Tay Tay. Adele might just surprise release and steal all of your steam for all we know. Why are you mad when you could be GLAAD?
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Post by shayonce on Aug 31, 2020 5:04:04 GMT -5
and free shipping over $50.
no promo indeed. lol
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Post by Choco on Aug 31, 2020 12:07:09 GMT -5
Why is it such a big deal if she gets 6 weeks at #1? Lover only got one and it still outsold almost every other album that tear.
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Post by strongerq on Aug 31, 2020 12:29:09 GMT -5
Why is it such a big deal if she gets 6 weeks at #1? Lover only got one and it still outsold almost every other album that tear. Probably this:
Most cumulative weeks at number one
The Beatles (132) Garth Brooks (52) Michael Jackson (51) Whitney Houston (46) Taylor Swift (45)
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Post by #LisaRinna on Aug 31, 2020 12:54:46 GMT -5
How many more bundles is sis gonna release to rig the charts week after week?
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Aug 31, 2020 13:01:45 GMT -5
How many more bundles is sis gonna release to rig the charts week after week? I thought bundles weren’t allowed anymore?
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Post by iHype. on Aug 31, 2020 13:11:53 GMT -5
How many more bundles is sis gonna release to rig the charts week after week? I thought bundles weren’t allowed anymore? As for merchandise/album bundles, beginning Oct. 9, no further sales of albums can be reported if bundled with merchandise, even if the album and merchandise are available à la carte. Albums scheduled for release on or before Oct. 8 can report sales generated from the bundles, but only through Oct. 8. Albums slated for release on or after Oct. 9 cannot report any sales generated from a merchandise bundle -- merchandise being defined as anything that is not the album itself, including (but not limited to) clothing, paper goods, accessories, virtual items, concert presale codes, contest entries with No Purchase Necessary entrance options and fan club access. www.billboard.com/articles/business/9419979/billboards-new-bundle-chart-rules-start-date
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 31, 2020 13:42:01 GMT -5
I salute Taylor and her team for playing the game every other label and artist is playing to their advantage in some form or another while they can. If the demand isn't there it won't sell, regardless of bundling.
I would never have thought Folklore could match Lover's sales, but it is looking like a distinct possibility (maybe even surpassing) and all while delivering her most critically acclaimed effort yet. We love to see it.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Aug 31, 2020 14:23:45 GMT -5
I thought bundles weren’t allowed anymore? As for merchandise/album bundles, beginning Oct. 9, no further sales of albums can be reported if bundled with merchandise, even if the album and merchandise are available à la carte. Albums scheduled for release on or before Oct. 8 can report sales generated from the bundles, but only through Oct. 8. Albums slated for release on or after Oct. 9 cannot report any sales generated from a merchandise bundle -- merchandise being defined as anything that is not the album itself, including (but not limited to) clothing, paper goods, accessories, virtual items, concert presale codes, contest entries with No Purchase Necessary entrance options and fan club access. www.billboard.com/articles/business/9419979/billboards-new-bundle-chart-rules-start-dateOh wow! You know she’s about to come out with some candles, a diffuser, fuzzy slippers, ear muffs, mittens, etc etc through October to lock in those sales. I mean, if the demand is there and the charts created this loophole, why not? So many artists have number 1s because of ticket bundles which is even more of a loophole tbh.
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Post by Choco on Aug 31, 2020 14:25:47 GMT -5
Gotta take adavantage of that last month of cheating bundling.
Kudos to her for selling so much even after 6 weeks though, regardless.
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Post by nickd on Aug 31, 2020 17:13:42 GMT -5
Taylor is still red hot as well (scoring pop hits since 2006 and really diving into pop star status in 2012). Still hard to believe she has been nearly 15 years without a true "flop" era. She was a massive Country Star in the early 2010s but she didn’t enter the level of Katy and Rihanna in the Pop world until the end of 2014, so I don’t consider her in the same graduating class. She has most definitely blown everybody out of the water in every genre, though. No contest. Taylor having constantly changed her sound did help keep her relevant I think, but she was definitely very big outside country before 2014... I mean in 2009 she had the #1 and #2 songs on the Year End Radio Songs chart, a feat I'm pretty sure no-one else has ever achieved. Rihanna had her only top 2 on the Radio Songs YE in 2012 with We Found Love and Katy Perry had her only top 2 on the chart in 2014 with Dark Horse. Lady Gaga's highest position on the radio songs Year End chart was Just Dance at #6 in 2009. Her albums back then were performing better than her singles, that's true, but I don't think that's because she was a country star, I think that's because she was more of an album artist with more of a cult following, after all, her albums are continuing to outperform her singles today with reputation to Folklore. I would argue that Taylor was just as big in the public consciousness as Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Rihanna from 2008 to 2013 (on average, there was some jockeying for the #1 spot depending on the year, and Taylor success was more spread out across that entire period than Gaga's or even Katy's). She was definitely much bigger in the teen and young adult markets that pop dominates than other country cross-over successes like Carrie Underwood and Lady Antebellum. The end of her debut era and start of Fearless era is also when she started associating with Selena and other teen idols and really capturing that demo, as well as when she began experiencing international success. She was also outperforming Gaga and Rihanna on AC by quite a lot, and doing comparably to Katy Perry but earlier (2008-2010 for Taylor, 2011-2013 for Katy). 2008: #5 - Teardrops On My Guitar2009: #1 - Love Story2009: #1 - You Belong With Me2009: #9 - Hot N Cold2010: #1 - Mine2010: #7 - California Gurls2011: #1 - Firework2011: #7 - The Edge of Glory2011: #8 - Teenage Dream2012: #5 - The One That Got Away2012: #10 - We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together2013: #1 - Roar2013: #2 - Wide Awake2013: #3 - Stay2013: #5 - I Knew You Were TroubleShe was also doing pretty well on HAC, where I would say it was Katy >> Taylor > Gaga >> Rihanna during this period. And like with AC, Taylor's HAC peak was earlier than Katy's.
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Post by wayneashleymusic on Sept 1, 2020 0:34:53 GMT -5
Without the incentive of a scheduled tour, I think it’s a tough road for Katy Perry to get the number 1 album. But I say this with honesty... Smile is a GREAT album, and actually better than I could've imagined it would be. Full of boos, and it takes you on clear, but brief, journey. And best of all, Katy has improved tremendously as a vocalist since her Prism era, and this album shows her as a skilled and more wide-ranged singer. I suspect that even in a year full of great albums, Katy Perry will be on track for some overdue critical acclaim for Smile. I just hope she’s entered in the correct categories for the Grammy Ballot!! Don't count on the critics... The album SMILE is currently with a 56% approval in Metacritic, which is not good. Don't expect Grammy nods neither... usually, popstars get nominations for their most commercially successful eras, not the flops. There are plenty of examples. Have you listened to it? I suspect that several of these so-called "reviewers" have not, or weren't paying attention. But Grammy nominations are determined by Grammy voters, so I still think she has a rather good chance.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 1, 2020 4:32:35 GMT -5
I would argue she was a massive pop star in 2012 when "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" and "I Knew You Were Trouble" were released as they were adding to two #1 pop radio hits previously, but to each their own. Sure, but she wasn’t getting four and five number ones from an album on the Pop charts like Rihanna and Katy. That didn’t happen until 1984. She was selling way more albums and concert tickets than them, but she was still in her crossover mode. What Rihanna album has four or five number ones - on any chart?
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Post by TroublemakerOlly on Sept 1, 2020 5:09:47 GMT -5
I mean in 2009 she had the #1 and #2 songs on the Year End Radio Songs chart, a feat I'm pretty sure no-one else has ever achieved. Which chart and which songs are you referring to?
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Post by kimberly on Sept 1, 2020 5:14:43 GMT -5
I mean in 2009 she had the #1 and #2 songs on the Year End Radio Songs chart, a feat I'm pretty sure no-one else has ever achieved. Which chart and which songs are you referring to? Billboard’s 2009 year-end chart for the all-format Radio Songs, where “Love Story” led the tally followed by “You Belong with Me.”
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Post by Choco on Sept 1, 2020 15:08:10 GMT -5
Sure, but she wasn’t getting four and five number ones from an album on the Pop charts like Rihanna and Katy. That didn’t happen until 1984. She was selling way more albums and concert tickets than them, but she was still in her crossover mode. What Rihanna album has four or five number ones - on any chart? None. Closest she got was probably LOUD but as we've seen on her "biggest hits" lists it also resulted in low longevity (none of the three #1 hits from the campaign rank among her top 10 hits, while songs that didn't go #1 do make the list). You don't need to be consistently #1 to be a big deal though. Rihanna has less #1 albums than Miley Cyrus.
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Post by kierz7 on Sept 1, 2020 16:20:44 GMT -5
Sure, but she wasn’t getting four and five number ones from an album on the Pop charts like Rihanna and Katy. That didn’t happen until 1984. She was selling way more albums and concert tickets than them, but she was still in her crossover mode. What Rihanna album has four or five number ones - on any chart? “ANTI” scored eight number ones on the ‘Dance/Club Songs’ chart, the most ever from one album, if that technically answers your question. 🌚 That said... She’s never scored more than three number ones on any formal chart (Hot 100; Radio Songs; Format-specific [Radio] Chart) from a single album. “Good Girl Gone Bad”, “LOUD” and “ANTI” saw three each.
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Post by kierz7 on Sept 1, 2020 16:32:21 GMT -5
She was a massive Country Star in the early 2010s but she didn’t enter the level of Katy and Rihanna in the Pop world until the end of 2014, so I don’t consider her in the same graduating class. She has most definitely blown everybody out of the water in every genre, though. No contest. Taylor having constantly changed her sound did help keep her relevant I think, but she was definitely very big outside country before 2014... I mean in 2009 she had the #1 and #2 songs on the Year End Radio Songs chart, a feat I'm pretty sure no-one else has ever achieved. Rihanna had her only top 2 on the Radio Songs YE in 2012 with We Found Love and Katy Perry had her only top 2 on the chart in 2014 with Dark Horse. Lady Gaga's highest position on the radio songs Year End chart was Just Dance at #6 in 2009. Her albums back then were performing better than her singles, that's true, but I don't think that's because she was a country star, I think that's because she was more of an album artist with more of a cult following, after all, her albums are continuing to outperform her singles today with reputation to Folklore. I would argue that Taylor was just as big in the public consciousness as Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Rihanna from 2008 to 2013 (on average, there was some jockeying for the #1 spot depending on the year, and Taylor success was more spread out across that entire period than Gaga's or even Katy's). She was definitely much bigger in the teen and young adult markets that pop dominates than other country cross-over successes like Carrie Underwood and Lady Antebellum. The end of her debut era and start of Fearless era is also when she started associating with Selena and other teen idols and really capturing that demo, as well as when she began experiencing international success. She was also outperforming Gaga and Rihanna on AC by quite a lot, and doing comparably to Katy Perry but earlier (2008-2010 for Taylor, 2011-2013 for Katy). 2008: #5 - Teardrops On My Guitar2009: #1 - Love Story2009: #1 - You Belong With Me2009: #9 - Hot N Cold2010: #1 - Mine2010: #7 - California Gurls2011: #1 - Firework2011: #7 - The Edge of Glory2011: #8 - Teenage Dream2012: #5 - The One That Got Away2012: #10 - We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together2013: #1 - Roar2013: #2 - Wide Awake2013: #3 - Stay2013: #5 - I Knew You Were TroubleShe was also doing pretty well on HAC, where I would say it was Katy >> Taylor > Gaga >> Rihanna during this period. And like with AC, Taylor's HAC peak was earlier than Katy's. I agree. However, unlike for Swift, Perry and Gaga, AC/HAC were never Rihanna’s key radio formats. As a matter of fact, neither format has ever truly embraced her outside of three singles which remain her biggest on both: “Diamonds, Stay, Love On The Brain”. All in all, she never needed those formats anyhow considering she completely dominated three other premier formats, especially Pop radio where she’s the #1 act according to BB and is only behind Drake on Rhythmic and Urban radio.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Sept 1, 2020 17:36:13 GMT -5
Tuesday, September 1, 2020
It's no race for #1 this week, as Taylor Swift is ahead at midweek by a substantial margin, which will give folklore (Republic) its sixth consecutive week on top. Debuts from Metallica and Katy Perry will compete for the week's top new entry.
1. Taylor Swift (Republic) 86-91k total activity, 40-45k albums 2 . Pop Smoke (Victor Victor/Republic) 74-79k, 1-2k 3. Juice WRLD (Grade A/Interscope) 63-68k, 1-2k 4. Metallica (Blackened) 50-60k, 48-53k 5. Katy Perry (Capitol) 50-60k, 40-45k 6. Hamilton (Uptown/Atlantic) 45-50k, 3-5k 7. Lil Baby (Quality Control/Motown/Capitol) 37-42k, <1k 8. Rod Wave (Alamo/Geffen/Interscope) 35-40k, <1k 9. Internet Money (Internet Money/TenThousand) 31-36k, ~1k 10. DaBaby (SCMG/Interscope) 30-35k, <1k 11. Post Malone (Republic) 28-32k, 1-2k 12. Harry Styles (Columbia) 25-28k, 5-7k 13. Lil Wayne (Cash Money/Republic) 24-27k, 3-4k 14. Polo G (Columbia) 24-27k, <1k 15. Gunna (Young Stoner Life) 21-24k, <1k 16. The Weeknd (XO/Republic) 21-24k, 1-2k 17. NEEDTOBREATHE (Elektra) 19-22k, 14-17k 18. Luke Combs (River House/Columbia Nashville) 19-22k, 1-2k 19. Morgan Wallen (Big Loud) 19-22k, ~1k 20. Juice WRLD - Goodbye (Grade A/Interscope) 19-22k, <1k
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